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#i always get so bitchy when im talking about the popular interpretation LOL
afaramir · 7 months
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I love your posts about Denethor and Faramir. I'm always glad to see someone who loves both him and Faramir and gets that Denethor being this hugely impressive tragic figure makes Faramir so much better and more interesting. The relationship between them is so complex and I love it so much. The film versions make me angry as well.
oh man thank you so much...i find it kinda crazy that you're saying this to me bc im pretty sure i have a bunch of posts from your denethor tag sitting around in my drafts so i can look back at them later. many days i feel very much like an Amateur Denethor Enjoyer but i am thrilled that me just kind of being unhinged on the dash has brought you joy. and get ready bc here i go again LOL
yeah exactly what you said...denethor's tragedy informs and is informed by faramir so so so much and it's just kind of wild to me that on the tragedy enjoyers website so many people refuse to see it. on the second-best enjoyers website...the guilt-and-despair enjoyers website...the "the unimaginable has happened and i AM going to kill people and then myself" enjoyers website...i could go on! he is literally doomed by the narrative and just goes well ok fuck you i WILL die at the end but it will NOT be in the way the narrative wants me to.
it is truly the relationship of all time. faramir does love his father and yet because of the strength of his principles he is genuinely incapable of showing it in a way that denethor can understand. and denethor loves him too but after a certain point just cannot show it anymore because duty has to take precedence. he's not allowed to give faramir any quarter even in private. and YES that includes anything that would resemble a normal emotion. ngl i wouldn't be surprised if that's the only way faramir is like. LETTING him communicate with him. like i feel like the final assault on osgiliath is not the first time faramir's taken the "if you want to get me to do something you ARE going to have to order me to do it" stance. and yet denethor tries. at the end he takes trying to an unhinged level. idk it often feels like even in the general fandom insistance on one-dimensionally dickish denethor there's somehow also a lack of understanding that it IS a toxic expression of love but that doesn't make it not love. like He's Not Winning Dad Of The Year that is not what we're saying at all. we're saying is "it was born of love. it was a terrible thing yet born of love." thats all! that's why it's so tragic because it's all about love!!! augh...
ok i don't typically put quotations from my own writing in like real posts but also ive been thinking about the faramir goes to rivendell au 24/7 and i just. HAVE to pull this line bc it kind of captures exactly how i feel about the denethor-and-faramir mutual Character Honing.
Yet he [Faramir] cannot deny that each of them sharpens himself upon the whetstone of the other, and it is a debt he loathes to owe and yet cannot hope to repay.
i mean.......like are you picking up what im putting down! like! AAA! both in-narrative and out of it they are always ALWAYS making each other better (or worse. but worse in a More Interesting Way) but AT WHAT COST!!! he loves his father he would not be the man he is today without his father both in a good and bad way he HATES that these two things are true. faramir and denethor are not foils they're parallels they build each other's characters up when you put them next to each other!! faramir is who denethor wouldve couldve been without the war!! hey hang on a second is denethor who faramir would've become if he were the lord steward during the war of the ring? (this is a little reductive i think faramir's susceptibility to despair is quite different to his father's. and i wonder how long his gentleness would've prevailed / worked side by side with his duty instead of being diametrically opposed to it. but anyway. well i'll be thinking about THAT for the rest of the night. i cannot start another au i cannot i cannot i cannot). anyway you can't get one of them without getting the other and that is all...
man i always say like oh don't get me started on movie faramir and denethor and then the don't think of an elephant effect GETS me and it gets me started. last night i genuinely said like "well i won't get into it" and then three hours later it was 2am and it was so very clear that i had Gotten Into It. i had to tell our other roommate like "tell me when ur going to bed i am talking about denethor and i will be yelling." my roommate just came home and i told her about this post and then i had to explain a detail and she SET ME A THREE MINUTE TIMER bc she was like i have to go study. and that's fair
anyway i hope you are having a good night/day/whatever time it is for you. thank you for this ask it is always fun to see you pop up in my notifs whenever im denethorposting lol
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jubberry · 3 years
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oohkay let's go tua with those ship asks: fiveya, horrance and alluther.
thanks el i love you
Send me a ship and I'll answer three questions based on if I ship it or not.
fiveya obvs i ship this since this is 90% of my tua drawings lol
1. ill wait ill wait (to be the one) by georgiestauffenberg made me ship it cause holy fuck dude. I dont know if i ship them romantically when i saw them onscreen cause first of all, age difference is kinda weird lmao. Second, they dont rlly interact much outside literally the first couple of eps. But he was so soft for her, and i felt like they had so much unexplored history.
so i looked at fanfics cause i was wondering if ppl still ship it, then i liked the description of this one so i gave it a go.
Basically the premise is that vanya dates a much older man who seems to know a lot about her. And it was amazingly in character and just provided their characters some depth that u wouldnt find outside of a romantic relationship between them. (The implication of five pining while she doesnt know who he is, their missed chances when he time travelled, fives missed chances of living and having a 'normal' life bec of his own hubris, vanyas insecurity and being able to open up bec shes with someone whos known her since childhood). Its so sweet and thats how i was like, oh yep i can do so much more with these two, and what has kept me interested in drawing them etc.
2. My favourite things are the shippers cause i made some friends in the fandom who are super cool and supportive! I dont get super involved in fandoms and usually just watch from afar so finding people to talk to and muck around with in this tiny fandom is super cool 😭
Though thats not to say I havent come across some bad apples in this fandom and things that I dont like. I think thats the importance of carving out a place for yourself and ur friends in fandom tho.
Another thing I like about the ship itself, i just like the grumpy person whos soft for one person trope. Its so cute. I like all the little clues in canon on how their relationship as kids is quite warm, which is interesting cause five is basically the star student and he can be quite cold vs vanya who is the black sheep of the family.
I also like how five likes her powers even when she caused the apocalypse he spent the majority of his life in lol. Like its a popular hc that five is just a wife guy and i love that.
I see vanya as the type who has a lot of love to give, and she sometimes has unrealistic expectations of what her partner can give. Betrayal and lies really angers her, but also when her partner cannot meet her expectations of love she gets very upset bec its also an indication of how shes not good enough, or not loveable enough to be able to have this in the relationship (her insecurity means every failing always comes back to her, even if its out of her control).
I feel like five would be a level-headed person enough in the relationship to not be afraid to say 'vanya ur being stupid' (ie. the s2 confrontation lmao). Also, five's personality means she will never have to doubt his actions bec she knows hes the type who will not give u the moment of the day if hes not interested.
Not to mention they also have the whole apocalypse vs. saviour, hero/villain thing. Theres just a lot to explore!
3. I probably have several. But mostly I dont mind five being a dick to vanya bec first, even if the appeal is hes soft to her hes already kind of a dick in canon lmao. Also, vanya isnt a child. Shes grown and she can handle petty af things like five telling her shes not good at cooking lol. I also dont mind it cause I feel like people are getting too afraid to write... conflict for fear or portraying an abusive relationship or smth. Like, chill. Conflict is fine, resolving it is how u get a story. However in saying that, nobody should be obligated to write any way unless you want to! Fanfic is for comfort so if what your doing is making u happy then its good enough!
horrance which i also ship but i love the platonic and romantic relationship equally:
1. I came in tua in general not shipping anything so Im honestly not sure. I do remember someone doing a meta before s2 came out that was basically how ben acted weird when klaus summoned dave in s1 that made me go 👀 Otherwise, tua s2 rlly made me like them cause tua FED horrance shippers. Like..... the fact that klaus didnt want ben to leave him, and ben knows thats why he stayed 😢 or the fact that klaus was all over him for some reason???? Somebody also mentioned gay ben once and I resonate with that deeply. Like i get that jill exists but i resonate with gay ben deeply.
2. I love their bickering, theyre so cute together. I just like ben being angry bec hes self aware that hes got both shit and amazing taste. Shit bec he cant believes he likes Klaus (and also amazing also bec Klaus). I think the idea of them being kind of underdogs, theyre not rlly leader types and dont want to be, helps them bond together even in platonic horrance. They're both down to earth, and even tho they can annoy each other, they also know if they want a space to feel comfortable its with each other. Theyre not pressured by rivalry over leadership, or any sort of competition.
I love the idea that even tho ben is like klaus's ''conscience'', hes also down for chaos and bitchy. I feel like klaus rlly enabled that side of him, its not exactly a good thing but its p funny lol
3. I know some people think their dynamic is unhealthy but i dont care lol
alluther. So id say i dont ship this, mostly due to the fact that im not invested? Just like all tua ships so far I rlly came out not wanting anything but platonic relationships cause I feel tua doesnt do romance very well. With alluther, theyre so cute but im not super invested in either of their chars so they havent stuck for me. I appreciate seeing them and talking about them tho, and I'm def open to exploring them further.
1. I think tua canon romances are just so lackluster 😔 Idk who writes the romances but I was just like 'nice' but afterwards I dont really think about them. I love their dance scene and the message behind it! Otherwise, theyre sweet like most of the tua romances but im not super invested, same with all the non canon ships.
2. I really feel like tua needs to decide on what their relationship is. Like, just say its incest or not and stick with it 👀 Or if you wanna support it or not, just make up ur mind. I think I would've liked it better if I found the characters more interesting. Allison especially I feel like suffers from the fact that tua just doesn't want to make her ''mean''. They want to make her supportive and are less interested in making her flawed (ie. she should've had a conflict with Vanya in s2, but the writers didnt want to write the girls fighting which is stupid imo and not what that conflict is about).
In regards to Alluther, the scene where Allison gets annoyed at Luther for sleeping with someone else felt out of line. Like, how are you marrying other people and moving on but Luther isn't allowed to? But honestly, I don't mind if they actually just acknowledge it and make it a deliberate part of Allison's trait that Allison can expect a certain loyalty automatically from other people (which can tie in to her childhood being a star, and the rumour).
Luther is a big simp for Allison, which is sweet, but at the same time it would be nice to have him explore himself for a bit, and who he is outside of the academy. Then maybe they can rekindle their relationship again as new people and see where they go from there.
3. I don't hate them, but they're ok. I'm not super invested in them, just like all the tua canon romance. But I wouldn't mind making content for them if I were a bit more invested in their characters. I love their dance scene in s1 and I feel like its super a underrated portrayal of what their relationship is meant to be. I know no one talks about it but it's just such a great scene, and I'm pretty sure the choreographer was into interpretive dance? The scene had a lot of meaning that I don't see people dig around with.
Essentially I'm pretty sure the fairy lights are obviously a throwback to their childhood together, spending time outside of Reggie. So the dance scene kind of symbolized that pocket of space they made for each other in their life (even if theyre far away, or with other people, they will always have that space for each other).
The way they danced was more like playfighting than dancing, which means their relationship isn't sensual. It's more ''pure'', and romantic. Its basically two kids rekindling their love as adults. I also think this is a response to the incest, cause in s1 tua klaus literally said that 'thank god Regg is not their real father' right before Allison and Luther meet lmao. So its kinda like saying Allison x Luther isnt supposed to be 'ohh step sibling hot' but two people who experienced the same trauma as kids and finding comfort with each other (and rekindling that love after many years).
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faedawayyy · 4 years
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here is how i feel the girl groups involving my characters are atm! obviously, don’t feel bad if your characters are on here. it’ll mainly be nadine’s and meg’s (who plays athena) characters bc that’s who i have the most f x f with but people can definitely be added and it’s just my interpretation.
i just REALLY want realistic friendship groups without it getting cliquey. sometimes i feel a it ...meh... when everybody is friends with everybody.
PLEASE LMK WHERE YOU THINK YOUR CHARACTERS COULD/WOULD FIT BECAUSE!
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IVY - FAN 
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she doesn’t really have a friendship group with the fans at the moment, but i feel like her role in a group would be like...humbly popular? she isn’t an it girl or even in the it girl group but people love her and she gets along with most of the other fans. maybe a few people have negative things to say but yeah, she’s quite sweet and unproblematic for the most part and would probably strive to have friends that are similar
ESME - FAN
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definitely one of THOSE fans who thinks she’s above others and a celebrity. she’s popular mainly because people want things from her and/or are scared of her. i feel like she’s the type who has lots of people love her to her face but then they all talk behind her back...so she’d fit more in with bitchy fans?
SAVANNAH - FAN 
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she’s one of the younger fans and still in high school, but she doesn’t have friends there so the fans are her main friendship group. i think she’d be eager to please and often get herself walked all over lmao. she’s currently good friends with kylie, who’s like a big sister to her. 
MARIA
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i guess she’s currently in a mini-friendship group with zara and rosalie. i wouldn’t say it’s the “popular group”, but i feel like they have their jokes and inside fun. probably the girls to get quite a bit of attention on a night out without trying too hard. i think maria’s probably like the mom friend of this group LOLshe could maybe do with a secondary group that mainly exists bc classes, so like friends she speaks to in fashion but they’re not super, super close. 
ELOISE
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eloise has no friends but i want a group for her! i feel like she’d have more of a diverse friendship group...like all types of people, with the constant theme of being chilled and enjoy evenings having meals and/or movies/drinks rather than going out and being at the centre of things. her group would definitely not be like one of the it cliques but they like each other’s company and dont care about all that....and probably have their fair share of love triangles and petty dramas to make it fun.
MARGO
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margo is in disney’s group. she and disney are long running best friends and have both been popular since high school. the group - to my knowledge - also includes madison, gisele, kendall and mackenzie but her liking towards them all varies depending on the day. imo, margo is definitely the hot mess of the group. she’s always upsetting somebody or getting into some kind of trouble. but yeah! i’d say this is one of the more established cliques and ofc its open to people joining and being hc’ed into.
DANICA
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it hasn’t been said until now but i’m gonna put danica in eloise’s group. i feel like she’d love to have a friendship group that’s more chilled after not really finding her feet in more uptight/demanding/popular cliques.
MEREDITH
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LISTEN SHE’S NOT A NoT lIkE tHe OtHeR giRLS girl but she genuinely WOULD have more platonic friendships with guys than she does girls. i just get that vibe from her. but it’s more through growing up a tomboy and having brothers and male cousins rather than trying to impress anyone. i think she’d maybe have loose connections to a friendship group of 3 or 4 semi-popular girls who she has girl time with and enjoys it equally.
YULIA
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this !!!!! friendship group isnt off of the ground yet but im rly excited about it. they’re kind of like the jr. version of the OG it girls and as far as i knooooow it’s like, imogen, yulia, elora, alyssa, zara...maybe flo too i think! yulia is 100000% the friend that is pretty popular but lowkey goes out of her way to make one or two people feel shit bc she’s just that kind of person and has low self-esteem but YES if you have any young-ish girls for this (basically girls who can be more associated with the ‘new’ characters rather than like the dallas/gigi/disney/poppy/clyde/fakehell era) then add them if you think it’d be their vibe! 
BRIELLE
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oK SO LISTEN, brielle’s real friends are like julian, soraya, ronnie etc. but she’s gradually going to become friends with imogen and become kind of infatuated (platonically) with it all and really enjoy being a part of the group above bc she’s never had that kind of bond with other girls before. i think she could possibly lose herself a little bit or constantly be in limbo between being two different kinds of people if that makes sense! 
ELORA
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she too is in the yulia group mentioned, but she’d be like...the argumentative one. i doubt she’s ever really mean to people in the group but she’ll fight with others for her friends. she’s kinda loud and probably one of the ones you notice first in the group but is also so lovely to the people who know her well enough.
HENSLEY
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i’ve always viewed her group of friends as like the second tier popular group. they’re definitely not the it girls but they are popular for different reasons - mainly through being actually likeable. i’d say it consists of soraya, christelle, poppy, holly and casey too rip...but again, people can be added. they too have their fair share of bitchiness but i definitely see them as the “nice/friendly/bubbly girls” if you’re looking at them from a stereotypical point of view.
ISSY
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she doesn’t really have a group LOL but i think it kinda works for her. she tags along with ruby to most things and would socialise that way. whoever ruby hangs out with, issy hangs out with too. it’s a comfort thing but also just her preference! so she’d be open to having friends by association or maybe friends who she started to know through ruby but came close with anyway.
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