#iaptbap

[cactusjuice63]

ok so wdym one of my favourite authors turned out to a groomer

[melocherie]

I remember encountering iaptbap a few years ago and thinking it was an interesting concept, but then dropping it after not really liking the writing style. I mean, I’m also a leftist who likes writing social justice ideas into my fics, but the way she went about it in her story felt so preachy and boring. The themes didn’t feel naturally woven into the narrative. Love interests felt flat and it seemed like they only existed to make the mc look better.

But I was like “different strokes different folks, not like she’s hurting anyone, as long as people are happy, there are way cringier fics out there” only to find out a few days ago while scrolling through tumblr that she had groomed a minor?? Which goes against so much of the character she’s made herself out to be? Especially since she was strict about keeping minors from reading her smut.

Sorry you had to deal with her plagiarism accusations and her ego. Hope you’re doing well

exactly!  see,  my  issues  with  noor  incorporating  social  commentary  into  her  work  isn't  the  politics  themselves  or  their  inclusion——again,  i  find  stories,  even  bad  ones,  are  better  when  they're  about  something——but  rather  her  execution  always  falls  flat. 

 it  reminds  me  of  greta  gerwig's  barbie——the  film  presents  a  very  shallow  and  lite  discussion  of  gender  and  feminism,  and  while  i  admire  it  for  that  alone,  among  its  other  good  qualities,  i  disagree  with  critics  who  hail  it  as  the  pinnacle  of  feminist  media.  similarly,  while  i  admire  iaptbap's  attempts  to  address  many  of  society's  faults,  it  does  so  with  such an  immature,  condescending  hand that i don’t think is deserving of praise.

 i,  as  a  queer  blasian  girl,  already  know  of  queerphobia  and  racism  simply  by  living  in  a  society  that  wants  me  dead.  and  if  i  wanted  to  further  my  education,  i  could  simply  pick  up  a  nonfiction  book  or  essay  and  conduct  my  own  research.  so,  when  it  comes  to  media,  literature,  and  storytelling,  i  don't  want  robotic  perfect  monologues  to  clap  for;  i  want  to  feel  something.  i  want  emotion,  passion,  intellect.  i  want  the  author  to  use  their  art  to  connect  with  me,  the  audience.  i  don't  want  the  author  to  have  their  main  character  turn  directly  to  the  audience  and  deliver  the  moral  lesson,  as  if  it's  a  kids'  show.

i  recently  watched  this  video  by  withcindy  about  the  faults  with  “reading  for  empathy”  and  performative  activism,  and  one  quote  particularly  caught  my  eye: 

 “[…]  characters  must  exist  for  positive  representation  so  that  you  can  empathize  for  whatever  group  they  represent,  but  ironically  by  having  those  characters  be  instruments  or  tools  for  good  politics,  and  having  them  only  exist  for  good  politics,  that  also  makes  them  not  represented  in  their  humanity.”

 and  it  immediately  reminded  me  of  winter  white.  noor  ended  up  quietly  deleting  this  section  later,  but  in  her  9k  raffle  one-shot  chapter,  she  revealed  that  winter  was  half  chinese.  based  on  how  it  was  handled,  she  solely  did  this  as  an  excuse  to  comment  on  bigotry  against  east  asians.  miriam  asked  it  was  like  dating  winter,  and  mc  noted  how  she  received  some  gross  questions  about  "what  it  was  like  dating  jungkook,"  and  noor’s  only  other  depiction  of  his  ethnicity  was  that  he  used  chinese  skincare  products. 

it  doesn’t  feel  like  representation  for  the  purpose  of  making  chinese/mixed  race  readers  to feel  seen  and  loved  within  a  popular  character,  but  rather  as  a  pretext  to  educate  a  white,  ignorant  audience  about  the  evils  of  racism.  it’s  a  depiction  of  asian  trauma  without  ever  depicting  asian  joy.  and  while  it's  good  that  she  decided  (presumably)  on  her  own  to  remove  this,  this  type  of  shoddy  writing  can  be  found  everywhere  in  iaptbap.  i  don’t  recall  a  single  conversation  in  iaptbap  which  actually  felt  real,  only  exchanges  meant  to  constantly  educate  me,  which  is  doubly  infuriating  when  i  know  about  this  stuff  already. 

and  noor  has  the  audacity  to  do  all  of  this,  then  sidestep  criticism  by  saying,  "well,  it's  just  a  silly  disney  fanfiction  in  the  end."  you  can't  make  me  suffer  through  mc  explaining  sexual  abuse  terms  like  she's  a  living  dictionary  and  clapping  back  against  strawmen,  then  switch  from  iaptbap  being  an  extension  of  your  activism  or  a  dark  romance  depending  on  which  one  gives  the  least  amount  of  criticism.  that’s  not  how  that  works.  how  no  one  called  her  out  on  her  bullshit  sooner  genuinely  boggles  my  mind

[marabow]

Hey, so for the IAPTBAP fans who are currently mourning the fanfic because the writer is... shitty to put it nicely enough, I want to remind you all that Lavenoor wasn't the first to write a Disney genderbent fanfic, and won't be the last to write a Disney gender bent fanfic. the characters DON'T belong to her, they belong to Disney ffs. I encourage you all to rewrite the story, start it from scratch, and let's make a beautiful creation from it!

[bpdrook]

Prefacing this post to say that I know Star in real life. I talk to them nearly every day, and we have talked about their experiences multiple times. Do not send me asks or messages asking about them. If you have anything you want to say to them, you can talk to them yourselves.

Stop using Star for your petty online arguments that you never asked them about. I'm not saying to bother them over every little thing; I'm saying to at least quit speculating on them, their feelings, etc. No one, except for one person, has bothered to ask them how they feel about anything.

Do not use "but the victim!" just to shut down criticism. Quit using their name as a gotcha. Quit assuming how they feel about your petty internet squabbles. If you have questions about them or how they feel about something, you can contact them yourself.

Also, the fact that people only ever call them "the victim" instead of saying their name speaks volumes.

[lavenoorwarning]

Hello. I made this account to spread awareness on lavenoor. I don't want anyone to be harrassed; I made this to share my experience and shed light on what happened to me.

Warning for talk of grooming in the document.

[havocela]

I'm genuinely so disappointed as what Vio has ended up to be:( Her writing was so good, but there were so many flaws. Sad to say the ff she wrote was one of the few that actually kept me entertained. It saddens me that we will never get the ending we anticipated.

I looked up to her writing so much for the past 4 years, I've always viewed her with rose-tinted glasses—I am completely flabbergasted with what she did. I reread iaptbap, and I must say, there were so many weird things I brushed off (?) when reading. So much for Mc wanting to get consent from the princes first lmao

I never had expected her to be like that. It was utterly disgusting and disappointing. My heart goes out for the victim, lots of love for them for speaking out and spreading awareness. <3

[average-fandom-enjoyer]

NOOOOOOOO MY FAVORITE QUOTEV STORY GOT DELETED 😭😭😭

I am MOURNING at the loss of one extraordinary fanfiction about genderbend versions of Disney characters. (It's a guilty pleasure okay). And yes, I know that the author has the right to either continue their story or delete forever. But DAMN did it hurt when I find out that they deleted it.

Though, with that said, I really hope the author is doing well. They haven't been updating for a while now, and the last post on their account was something along the lines of med school, exams, and stressful life in general. Again, I just hope that life's been and will continue to be merciful towards them, they definitely need it.

SCRATCH THAT. I hope their choice of career is pointless and unforgiving to the point it sucks the passion to keep on living from them.

Update:

That was minutes BEFORE I found out that they were a groomer. For more context, refer to this link

Because I swear for the life of me, I cannot do it justice and explain it here. I'm horrible at that. Again, as the original poster of that link. Don't use this as an excuse to harass @lavenoor because 1.) That's dumb and 2.) you sort of can't now.

[kerokerokarot]

just heard about what noor did and i’m honestly… stunned?😭😭 i used to see her through EXTREMELY rose-tinted glasses, and now that i’m revisiting her work, i’m realizing how much weird stuff i completely brushed off. i remember being put off by certain things she wrote—some of the hypocrisy too—but i ignored those gut feelings because of the glorified image i had of her as a reader.

what baffles me even more is that she still hasn’t responded to the victim. how can you present yourself as this strong, morally-sound person online—constantly preaching good values—if you can’t even take accountability for your own actions? not even a public apology? and the way she treated other people’s work just for having a similar prompt, claiming it was unoriginal… like, where’s the fairness in that? that’s not integrity, that’s immaturity, hypocrisy, and ignorance.

i’ve been revisiting the iaptbap archives now that the rose-tinted glasses are off, and there’s so much i overlooked. the random s/a scenes, the way the princess mononoke arc was written, and more. i always felt a little creeped out by kano’s behavior too, especially since his movie counterpart was nothing like that. i’d like to revisit jadol and tao if anyone’s managed to save them, though it’s been a while so i barely remember anything.

i also want to say—my heart goes out to the victim. i can’t imagine how heavy and painful it must’ve been to come forward, especially against someone with a huge following and a carefully curated image. thank you for your courage. you are incredibly strong for speaking up, and you deserve nothing but support, healing, and peace. what happened to you should have never been brushed aside.

as someone who used to be a die-hard fan, someone who made fanart for her stories, someone who was genuinely inspired to write because of her—i mean it when i say this: let her works die. there’s no legacy worth preserving if it’s built on harm and silence.

[ace-is-missing]

I honestly can’t even begin to describe how disappointed and disgusted I am with the things that came to the light these past weeks. Noor would always talk about how she discourages explicit content in the hands of minors. When she herself was found to be a pedo along with writing scenes in her story It’s a pain to be a Prince that can be considered sa, just disappointing and so very frustrating when I started reading her stories around the age of 15 and looked up to her writing.

[levi-thein]

Came back to hate on that one fic i used to obsess over (i still obsess over it but now I'm just gonna rewrite the entire thing bc the author is allegedly a PEDOPHILE so.)

[melocherie]

as  much  as  i  sympathize  with  the  readers  who’ve  devoted  their  time  to  supporting  iaptbap,  i  think  it’s  in  poor  taste  to  say  you  want  the  fic  to  continue. 

think  about  it:  who  would  write  the  story  in  lavenoor’s  absence?  someone  who  lavenoor  gives  the  account  to,  a  friend  who  has  chosen  to  maintain  contact  with  a  groomer?  not  to  mention  how  the  victim  would  feel  if  their  groomer's  fic  continues  to  receive  love  and  attention  despite  the  author  telling  a  child  she  wanted  to  date  them.

i’m  urging  everyone  to  please  write  your  own  fic.  fuck  the  feelings  of  a  groomer  who  didn’t  apologize  and  ran  away  when  she  was  outed — she  does  not  own  the  concept  of  a  yandere  disney  princess  harem  isekai.  not  like  she  can  stop  you  from  writing  your  own  fic  unless  she  decides  to  not  be  a  coward  and  face  what  she  did  head-on.  stop  looking  to  her  for  content  since  i  can  promise  that  every  single  one  of  you  can  write  something  far  superior  to  any  slop  that  groomer  put  out.  let  iaptbap  die  and  fuck  lavenoor

[fantafella]

Fan Fiction Deleted

Why was 'Pain to be a Prince' deleted? I really like that story :( Will it be re-uploaded?

[bpdrook]

Some people feel a little too comfortable saying some pretty strange and insensitive things about an incredibly traumatic situation.

[lavenoorwarning]

On the Topic of Harrassment

Posting once again to make it clear: I do not condone harrassment. I do not know who has been sending asks to random authors' inboxes asking them about Lavenoor. However, if by chance, they are reading this, I will ask them to please stop.

While I think it is inappropriate for people to assume I know who exactly is harrassing people, I am aware that some of my actions may have unintentionally enabled or caused it.

Back when I initially made the callout, I had tagged multiple people in it. I got the people I tagged from Lavenoor's following list, people in the IAPTBAP tag and people who interacted with her original response post.

I have since taken down the posts tagging others, but I would still like to apologize for how that could have potentially caused, or at least played a factor, in people being harrassed about what happened.

I tagged people, as I believed it would help more people be aware of what happened, and I wasn't thinking of the possible ramifications of doing so. I apologize to anyone who was, or even currently is, being harrassed due to my carelessness, and I hope the harrassment stops.

Once again: I'd like to say to whoever is sending people asks asking if they know about what happened, please stop. It's not helpful at all — no one is obligated to talk about what Noor did. I never wanted people to be harrassed "on my behalf."

[wister-iaaa]

Is Lavenoor ever gonna speak up about the whole situation or is she just going to keep trying to erase herself from the internet to hide from the shame?

[wanderersbelovedwife]

hi, i read your take on how lavenoor completely butchered the point of princess mononoke. thank you for pointing it out, respect for criticizing her

it's weird she claimed the original movie to be "problematic" and refuses to elaborate? seems like she never watched the movie and just went off the general wiki and plot summary which don't contain any nuance. if you're going to claim one of the most iconic, beloved, thought-provoking studio ghibli movies is problematic, at least have some decency to explain it. i feel she just uses the word "problematic" as a buzzword and hopes her readers will agree

also if princess mononoke is indeed problematic, shouldn't there be a ton of video essays, forums etc discussing why it's problematic? shouldn't the japanase be the first ones criticizing the movie? honestly crazy how noor makes these baseless claims and never elaborates

noor claiming ashitaka to be bland is simply... wow. ashitaka is stoic and knows how and when to control his emotions. bro literally got banished from his village and takes it better than most people ever could. he is so strong emotionally, and noor mistakes his personality as "bland." just because he is calm, collected, and stoic does not mean he is bland. ashitka is the literal embodiment of a gigachad

regarding kaya: even the wiki get the facts wrong. sometimes she's referred to as ashitaka's sister, sometimes fiancée. i am pretty sure they are betrothed. no clue how lavenoor thought kaya was pregnant, i don't even think it was alluded to in the movie.

anyways sorry for my rant, it bugs me so much that noor missed the point of mononoke. it's such an L take and honestly really embarrassing

hope you have a nice day, just know that there are people who support you

I want to first say thank you for giving me this , I really appreciate it <3 I wanna answer all my inbox soon

I completely agree with you that if noor finds princess mononoke problematic she should've been specific which part she thinks it is and her calling ashitaka a bland mc is genuinely mind blowing to me at least

If anything sen character's feels more like a s3x appeal, like an oc if you wanna be specific. For example his height, San wasn't even that tall and wouldn't it make sense for sen to not be 6'8 instead close to San's height but taller , she has to be very agile not to mention sen's diet doesn't support his buff body.

Another thing I wanna say is bro never trust wiki for your information 😭!!

Everything about sen feels like he is appealing to the audience rather yk? Like Noor made him just so she can write a make out scene or smut scenes with him

Actually another thing I wanna add from my previous post is that it's ashame Kano's whole character is to be the stepping stone to make sen's character look " better " by default because he asked for consent.

We never even see the effects of Kano's attempt on mc.

Noor is so against writing non con yet is okay writing attempted non con ( for no reason btw Kano added nothing to the story )

This is so rushed I'm sorry

Thank you again everyone for reading and for your time I appreciate it