Re: the end of your Joever/renegade post, it’s almost like wondering at what point does the “rough patch” cease to be a rough patch and just how the person *is*. As in, this is just how they choose to exist or are most comfortable living as a person.
(Not villainizing him at all, it’s just alluding to what you and others said… at some point it stops being a single issue or issues to fix and starts revealing itself to just be fundamental differences in compatibility and outlook.)
Just got this and I know it was sent pre-TTPD tracklist, but yeah!! Like it makes so much sense to me that a relationship would take over a year to go from Renegade to YLM and then another year to reach breaking up for good. That honestly feels like the most normal progression in the world, and I’m sooo interested to hear how she describes this experience and gives voice to something that I think a lot of people have been through.
I’ve talked about it on here before but my current relationship is 6 years old, and Renegade literally sparked some very VERY serious conversations for us when it came out because it gave voice to things we were dealing with and we were able to address using the language she offered us in the song. That was a definite “rough patch.” We nearly broke up, and had a real epiphany about things that we both needed to change in order to continue, and the types of support we both needed in order to stay safe and healthy. I felt so seen by Renegade and then in midnights as well- labyrinth and The Great War come to mind - the decision to stick it out. When I heard about joever it hit me (and others, from what I’ve heard!) suuuuper hard because it was like wait. Whatever measures they took after Renegade and the Great War actually didn’t fix it; what does that mean for me!? I was soo shaken up because of how strongly I related to the struggle (as it was portrayed to us). But that gets to the point of this ask: the difference between a rough patch and something un-fixable. I’m certain this will come up on TTPD, and it’ll be a deep portal time travel exploration of how she came to that exact conclusion. I can’t wait.
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Hozier wrote “You called me "angel" for the first time, my heart leapt from me You smile now, I can see its pieces still stuck in your teeth And what's left of it, I listen to it tick Every tedious beat” and then a song with “Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby” got nominated for a Grammy. I don’t mean to bash but seriously let’s get our heads on straight. How did this man get zero nominations while others like this did?
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If you can make a post about the shit JM has done while they were dating or after (whether related to her or not) id really appreciate that because I wasn’t on tumblr and didn’t really see the lore/discourse at the time (just make it v brief i don’t want to exhaust u)
No problem anon! In 2010 he did an interview with Playboy where he said some not great things namely referring to his dick as a “white supremacist” and using the n word (here’s a mini rundown of it since the actual article isn’t online). That same year he did an interview with Rolling Stone and it just doesn’t paint him in a flattering light at all because of the things he says in it (here if you’re interested). More recently, Jessica Simpson’s memoir included her recalling her relationship with John in the mid 2000s and how he made her feel during it (some excerpts from her memoir here) and it tracks with some of the gross things he’s said about women and how he treats them. He just gives me bad vibes overall and “Your Body Is A Wonderland” is just such an icky song.
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So as I've continued my escapades through Carly Rae Jepsen's discography(read: I'm hyper fixated and making it everyone else's problem), I noticed something. A small overlap really, but I'm wondering if there's more, or if I'm just overthinking. It could be either.
So on the loneliest time, the second track is named Joshua tree. And it talks about someone leaving their home for Joshua tree, CA to have some freedom from their regular life, in reference to quarantine. Which is exactly what happened when 5SOS was making 5sos5. They all left LA for Joshua tree, CA to make their album by themselves with more artistic freedom and no set deadlines to make music.
And both things seem to have happened at about the same time, given both albums were in production in the same span of time(2020-2022) and were released about a month apart(5sos5 in September 2022 and the loneliest time in October 2022). This is the small overlap that I'm talking about, and it's making me question if one lead to the other, or if it's a coincidence.
So I did some surface level research on Joshua tree and musicians. And it's not uncommon for artists and musicians to visit Joshua Tree, California. This could be due to the symbolism the Joshua tree holds. Apparently, it is "a symbol of faith for thriving against adversity (...and) that beauty and life can still flourish in the most challenging of times and environments."
I can see why Carly would choose to reference Joshua tree, since the loneliest time is her hope for flourishing in a difficult time and environment. And I can see how 5sos decided to go to Joshua tree to make their album, as a way to grow themselves when it was nobody but them there to ease the terrain.
I highly doubt I'm the first person to notice this, but the fact these two things happened so close to one another is interesting to me. I wonder if one lead to the other, or if it was simply happenstance. If Carly heard that 5SOS was leaving for Joshua tree to make their album, decided to research it and found the Joshua tree symbolism fit well with her themes in the loneliest time or if one of the guys in 5sos heard that Carly Rae Jepsen made a track called Joshua tree for her album, decided to do some research, and proposed going there to make 5sos5, which the others then agreed to. I have no earthly idea how that would've happened, as they made the albums with entirely different producers and companies, but that doesn't mean the grapevine doesn't exist.
Anyway that's what has been occupying my brain for the last little while.
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Thinking about how much can change in a decade. Unlike a lot of folks on here, I was already a full adult college graduate working a grownup job when Red dropped, but my life was 100% completely different than it is today, and that is a really, really good thing. Red was the album that saved my life, in the most literal way I can mean that. The road to better wasn’t a straight line at all. There were so many highs and lows, twists and turns. And my life now isn’t perfect, by any stretch, better isn’t a destination you can actually reach and camp out in. But the change from 10 years ago is HUGE, and it makes me so happy to see how far I’ve come.
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This is really going to sound mean but I always wondered why did Taylor ever only seem to write about the beginning of her relationship because tbh after Midnights it kind got annoying because it seemed to be her only go to type of love song but in hindsight, it makes sense because that type of excitement always gets a lot of creativity flowing
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