#jdjzjfj anon please go teach how the lovesquare works to someone else 😭

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This is obviously my personal opinion, but I don't see any signs that Ladynoir is dead. They are just friends, that's all. It's somewhat strange that the creators of this part of the show boasted about their incredible platonic relationship and how platonic relationships are just as important as romantic ones, but Chat Noir rejects Ladybug and somehow that became a problem.

If your concern is that Chat Noir no longer flirting with Ladybug ruins their portrayal of platonic relationships, then I have bad news for you. Those flirts were literally his desire to have a romantic relationship with her and somehow impress her. It was depicted as a character flaw, despite how Adrisalters tries to deny it, saying that his faults are not recognized in order to justify their hatred of him, which is also not true, but now we've reached the climax.

That was the whole point. In his own way of trying to impress Ladybug, Chat Noir was too insistent with her despite her unwillingness to have a romantic relationship with him, and this sometimes led to negative consequences, either caused by him or taken advantage of by villains ("Ladybug" episode as one of clearest examples). And then he came to the decision that she won't love him and simply chose to move on, using his failed experiences to try to have a relationship with Marinette, and we see how he has changed. Also, after "Jubilation," he almost cataclysmed "Darker Owl" because the latter started playing with his feelings using the Pig Miraculous, and he managed to stop himself at the last moment, realizing that he was about to cause harm. In the final scene, he agrees with the denials that it's their dream, in contrast to the scene at the end of "Oblivio" where he teased her after the photo of their kiss. And then in "Elation," he tells Marinette that his feelings for her compelled him to act at his worst. While his choices in this situation may not be objectively ideal, they are entirely understandable given Adrien's experiences.

I understand that peoples are disappointed with the absence of romance (and this part of Love Square was never canon, it was just unrequited love that was reversed for a while until they agreed to be friends). However, it doesn't kill Ladynoir, and even more so, it doesn't kill the entire love square. Saying that Ladynoir's validity depends on whether it's alive or dead is unfair and undermines the dynamics between these characters. On the contrary, the characters have undergone development that benefits all sides of Love Square. Keeping their relationship at the level of the first season would deprive them of this progression, which would be incorrect. Agreeing to a romantic Ladynoir would only push them both back because Marinette would avoid Adrien, not facing her fears, and Adrien would continue to escape problems in his civilian life by using the Cat Miraculous. However, Gabriel could take this away from him by sending him away from Paris, where he would be lonely and the key to his freedom would lose its meaning. He can't share it with Ladybug because it jeopardizes his secret identity, and they can't do it due to certain circumstances, unaware of Gabriel's real influence in this situation. With Marinette, he can share the problems in his life, and that was essentially the point of Adrienette and Ladynoir in the season 4 finale. Moreover, the show teaches both children to perceive each other platonically as well as romantically, what they have made significant progress in the fifth season, although they still need to work on it before the reveal, which will likely happen in the upcoming seasons. We shouldn't expect their dynamics to revert to their previous state in the next seasons because it would simply be a step backward for their relationships and characters development. This dynamic will remain as long as the plot requires it. As for people being disappointed that they became friends when they previously boasted their platonic relationship… Honestly, it seems like they are not truly interested in them, only about romantic part of that.

I apologize for the entire article, but there seems to be too much hysteria and bullying in the fandom because of this. Regardless of preferences, some Ladynoir stans are behaving in a similar manner to how Marichat stans behaved in previous seasons, and some even act like Blue stans, treating "competing" ships and their shippers rudely, and even using "True Selves" theory. Even Marichat stans never claimed that their ship was dead. On the contrary, it was more alive than any other ship in the fandom.

Anon I gotta say I stopped reading your whole message after like the 1/3 of the 2nd paragraph because it was too long and completely misinterpreting one (1) tag I added so I got the gig of your ask

I'm not talking about ladynoir being platonic friends as a problem. I don't mind that and I'd have loved to see more of their friendship like that bit at the start of Perfection.

I mind that we just don't see them at all lmao like when we say they're absent we mean they just literally didn't interact more than 3 minutes onscreen after Adrinette got together (minus Revolution which was great). And you can't tell me I'm not right lol they were just interacting for the bit of fights we saw onscreen and that's it rbejfje, I would have loved to see more platonic interactions they just weren't there 😂