#jjl spoilers

[danifart]

she equivalent on my exchange til i have 4 testicles

[rael-rider]

You mean what happened to Johnny Joestar in JJL?

Spoilers for Steel Ball Run and Jojolion

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Yes, Johnny's story in JJL was pretty upsetting for me (as in it hurt me and it emotionally devastated me and it took me awhile to get over it). Johnny basically grew as a character and I initially loved that he was able to form a family and live a good life after SBR but then the whole rock disease thing happened to Rina and Johnny stealing the Saint's Corpse to heal her, but then transferring the disease to George, then himself and finally the rock crushing his head because of that one leaf stand...

But the fact that Johnny, who lived a very miserable life and was a morally dubious and selfish man, ended up dying because he sacrificed himself so his loved ones would live it just hits me real hard (and man it doesn't escape me that two of my other favorite Jojos also died sacrificing themselves for their loved ones).

it also hurts me that both Jonathan and Johnny Joestar ended up having their heads removed from their body. They both have really shitty luck too (Johnny is more evident with what he suffers throughout Steel Ball Run and Araki gave Jonathan low luck when he made a stat chart for the protags in part 1-5 not to mention he does go through some awful stuff in Phantom Blood and the Sword of Luck and Pluck didn't really last long for him).

it also makes me wonder if every Jonathan Joestar is fated to lose their head. Like it's a constant in every reality.

[ubashaaa-archived]

fun things you HAVE to do with your cousin!

Number 1:

[viovio]

this isn't a guy post ill send another guy post but i just wanted to say this made me absolutely miserable . i hate jojolion (kicks the ground and walks away sulking and crying)

i can't take it anymore my fear of abandonment made me loyal to someone who should've left me to die but still went out of her way to save me with her son and for a while i wasn't sure if she was obligated to her duty or something else but now that woman needs me and she's my mother so i will help her son and love him like a brother and if he thinks he's gonna die on this mission i can't let that happen I'm literally gonna scream and die we can't let her go too we can't leave our family behi

[monkey-network]

Jojolands is already kino. We got a literal Jobro with Dragona, and it gives off a good skater drama vibe that hits the ground running.

[bisexualsmackingnoises]

We can say with absolute confidence that Johnny did indeed get his shit rocked after the Steel Ball Run

[yamuraiiha]

IM BACK TO READING JJL AND HOLY SHIT IS HE ALREADY DEAD??? DUDE GOT INTRODUCED LITERALLY LAST ARC AND NOW HE JUST EXPLODED DUE TO OZONE BABY'S PRESSURE WTF

[rihrus]

If yasuho and josuke aren't officially a couple in jojolands I will kill araki

[crttvset]

araki made him for Me.

[we-love-morioh-cho]

No bc why did Johnny just suffer non-stop for his entire fucking life - he was abused from a young age by his shitty dad, he saw his brother die and blamed himself for it, became disabled because of an extremely minor offense during a time period where being disabled was especially hard, was abandoned in an abusive hospital and disowned by his dad who should KILL HIMSELF, made a single (1) friend only to watch him die, had the chance to bring his friend back dangled in his face, the whole fucking ordeal with alt. Diego, fell in love and had 2 kids BUT THEN IMMEDIATELY his wife started to die, stole the corpse to heal her (going against his agreement with the only 2 people from the race he had left) but then his fucking son started to die instead, finally he died by getting his head crushed by a fucking boulder at the age of only 29????!!?!??!?!?!??!!

Like he just suffered constantly and never really won and never had the life he deserved but despite EVERYTHING he showed such remarkable resilience and KINDNESS throughout his life, he SAVED Lucy and his family and loved animals and hoped for things to get better despite it all and fought so hard and came so far and even missed and grieved for his ENEMIES because of how much the race meant to him and it was all destroyed at the end despite everything he did and his legacy continued on but they'll never know what we know and its been 100 years and he's been dead for so fucking long and has faded into an old folktale and all the characters from SBR are GONE and the world has moved on and time has passed and the inheritance of curses, burden and trauma through the bloodline and I miss Johnny so much and he unknowingly set in motion the curse of his descendants all to save his wife and then his son who he cherished despite being abused by his own father and how different would everything had been if he just received the love he deserved from his family and oh my god he's just like Jonathan and Jolyne and he acted out of pure love even if it went against everything he'd previously fought for because he is so incredibly human and even though he's gone and his descendants will never know him, his sacrifice and love and resilience persists through them and we know that but they can't and -

[danifart]

starting jojolion off with a bang i see

[whos-hotter-jjba]

[ifyouknowmenahyoudontt]

that one scene in b99 where jake calls holt dad but its megumi and gojo (he will never live it down)

[viovio]

THIS IS SO TWISTED YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME

JOSEFUMI JOSEFUMIIIIIIII *BANGING TABLE UNTIL IT BREAKS

[3dchoujinbag]

Comparing the JJK fan's current experience with my experience with Jojolion

From 2020 - 2021, the Jojolion fandom was a pressure cooker: fan theories and coping and criticisms were everywhere. Some were determined to keep the faith, some were proclaiming the story ruined, but we all were held hostage by our need to know how it ended, how everything payed off. Reading JJK weekly now, I feel like we are going through something similar. Spoiler-heavy observations and parallels below the cut.

TL;DR - watching, chapter-by-chapter, as a story you care about makes mistakes (whether perceived or not) near its end is maddening. Read Jojolion.

Disclaimers:

1) I very much love both series, warts and all. 2) Even while reading weekly/monthly, both series have great moments and art. It's never all doom and gloom. 3) These are feelings that are massively exacerbated by watching a story you're very invested in finish in slow motion. Jojolion's last arc works better in hindsight (warts and all), and I'm sure this arc will work much better when it's done -- think about how much hate the Culling Games got while that arc was coming out.

Heavy, HEAVY Jujutsu Kaisen and Jojolion manga Spoilers below:

Reasons fans began to dread the end of both JJK/JJL:

Major character that has been very plot-relevant getting an unsatisfying, abrupt death. You never truly shake the feeling it was intended to be a fake-out death

(Literally no one believed Jobin was dead for years) (Gojo can apply here too)

Hyped-up, fan-favorite side characters end up feeling underexplored, getting extremely quick and underwhelming deaths

Too much of the finite remaining page time and plot relevance is being given to characters with no real apparent arc or fewer interesting character dynamics

(Love both characters but its true)

Resisting the encroaching fear that long-awaited moments will never come until the story ends abruptly (JJK will most likely end abruptly). "This can't be the last arc, I've been obsessing over this unaddressed plot thread for months!"

Phases of the battle/arc feel extra long due to wait between chapters, protagonists can feel stuck in one place for months

Fan-favorite character dynamics being absent for long stretches of time (YasuGap, Most of JJK's cast lowkey)

The story frequently references its framing device, keeping the faith alive that everything has been meticulously planned

(Don't get me started on the flashforward)

All this, slowly stewing in the fanbase over months, can make fans feel trapped between faith, dread, and pessimism as the story moves at a seemingly glacial pace towards its ending.

I feel like by the time Jojolion was finally ending, everyone's nerves were so fried that we barely even wanted to discuss the ending at all. I hope we can avoid a similar collapse, but we'll see how Gege chooses to end his story. As someone deeply invested JJK's ending, I think it's been important for me to separate from the story for a bit when needed.

Again, keep in mind that I've learned to appreciate Wonder Of U, and I am still enjoying JJK quite a lot. Both series, while very different, never fail to make interesting choices in how they interact with battle manga tropes and structure. They can just be perplexing and frustrating at times, especially so close to the end.

I'm sure this is not a unique phenomena. It's basically what sports fans go through, in a way. These are just two recent examples that really stick out in my personal experience.

[aseriesofunfortunatejan]

me when i'm having a really shitty thursday