#judeo Islamic

[aux-squiggle]

Why do y'all keep saying "Judeo-Christian" when you mean just Christian.

And why do you not say Abrahamic when you don't mean just Christian.

Very rarely does someone have a criticism that's actually applies to specifically Christianity and Judaism. Most of your criticism is either solely Christianity or it applies to Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Baha'i, Chrislam, etc.

Why are you afraid to directly mention or use a word that includes Islam when you're criticizing the Abrahamic god as a whole?

Why do you invoke Judaism in criticisms of specifically the faults of Christianity? Even Christo-Islamic would fit more contexts than Judeo-Christian, if you seek to criticize the most powerful amongst Abrahamic oppressive ideology.

Y'all silly fr. And cowards tbh. Say what you mean.

/general you

[daughter-of-sapph0]

can't stop thinking about this image

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[the-commonplace-book]

"Judeo-Christian" "Abrahamic religions"

S T O P

these are terms that are not used by the actual members of the religious communities you're referencing

[abyssaldyke]

Fasting will have you doodling shit like "Mrs. Coffee, Two Sugars" "Mrs. Tempeh BLT with Avocado" "Mrs. Salt and Vinegar Chip" in your notebook with little hearts on the i's

[wathanism]

it's so funny how every time i see a post abt spirituality or religion that i agree with, there's always 17 jewish folk in the notes like "posts that are extremely jewish," and i love that. no i don't know a thing abt judaism but y'all seem to be vibing so much harder than i ever did when i was muslim and i respect that

[cruelsister-moved2]

sc below:

i hate this post wheneveri see it sorry lol i can smell the supersessionism. ‘there’s an old jewish story’ yep because judaism is just a quirky abstract reminiscence to help u fix the brokenness of ur own religion and not like a completely different religion with its own theology and philosophy unrelated to urs. there are no people it belongs to or thinkers it produces there is simply an ‘old story’ which you can now insert ur own very specific cultural understandings and theological baggage onto without wondering what the person who said that actually meant by it and if theywould enjoy u using it 2 talk about the guy who invented antisemitism n was forced down their throats for the next 2000 years 

[mainfaggot]

We are at the point of exam season where the hysterics have started setting in hi oomfsssss HIIII Pray for me like idgaf if ur an ex catholic PRAY FOR MY SANITY

[mimikyufriend]

I heard a youth preacher say the other day that denomination doesn't matter as long as you believe in god and he included judaism like I don't think you're allowed to teach that

[ao-fc]

Judeo-Christianity vs. Islam

[deadtower]

hey, can i ask in which context you're using the term "judeo-muslim"? cause islam quite literally started off as a branch of christianity and only became its own religion 6 centuries after christianity was created, so while it also takes from judaism (+previously existing local faiths and customs) like christianity does im not sure if it would be historically correct to group them up like that..unless you mean things that developed in the middle eastern region after those religions were already established

that's totally understandable! i'm used to using judeo-muslim as a term rather than judeo-christian due to the incorrect assumption that judaism is just Christianity With Some More History In It (it always makes me roll my eyes to hear someone say "judeo-christian" because we are SO different from each other, lol) but i probably should not use it as a default. i definitely admit i didn't go back and double-check islam's history, just went off of what i'd been saying already (re: judeo-islam), so i really appreciate you sending this ask! apologies for my ignorance ^^;

[jewishvitya]

Someone made a point about the term Judeo-Christian (it's always either trying to rope Judaism into Christian nonsense, or trying to exclude Islam because islamophobia) and there was a response insisting that Islam is just extremely different in beliefs. Then they said that Judaism is basically Christianity minus the New Testament, which is. Pretty antisemitic. Judaism is full and complete by itself. And they didn't answer when I asked what are beliefs or values that Christianity and Judaism share, that Islam doesn't. Things that would justify grouping us and excluding them. Never responded to me again.

And this is how these conversations usually go in my experience.

[is-the-thing-actually-jewish]

are hamsas a jewish thing? i see them all over jewish sites and in synagogues but i also see gentiles using/wearing them???

Short answer: Yes, hamsas are a Jewish thing, but they're not exclusively Jewish.

An open palm as a symbol is seen throughout the Middle East, and it is given many names and meanings. There is no consensus as to the origin of the symbol, but considering hand prints are seen even in paleolithic art all across the world, it wouldn't be that hard to see how a hand could become such an important symbol.

In Judaism, hands are often featured in artwork as the two hands of the Kohanim during the Priestly Blessing and as references to God's mighty hand when freeing the Jews from Egypt. Hamsas have been used as Jewish amulets since at least the Middle Ages, and there's evidence of hand symbology being used even earlier. The belief in Ayin Hara (The Evil Eye), which is often tied to Hamsas, is also a very old Jewish belief. It, too, is not an exclusively Jewish belief, but rather a belief common among Middle Eastern and Meditteranean cultures.

Not all Jews use the Hamsa as a symbol, and indeed many frown on it, seeing it as a superstition that is best not touched. However, it has been used for a long time by Sephardi and Mizrachi Jews, as well as more Kabbalistic Ashkenazi Jews.

Because of its appearence in both Jewish and Muslim cultures, the hamsa has become a symbol of Judeo-Islamic unity by some people. In 2009, the Hamsa Flag was envisioned as the flag of a united Israeli-Palestinian state.

In conclusion,

RATING: JEWISH (BUT NOT EXCLUSIVELY)

Further reading about Hamsas, Amulets, and the Evil Eye:

Sagiv, Gadi. “Dazzling Blue: Color Symbolism, Kabbalistic Myth, and the Evil Eye in Judaism.” Numen, vol. 64, no. 2/3, 2017, pp. 183–208. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/44505334.

SABAR, SHALOM. “From Sacred Symbol to Key Ring: The Ḥamsa in Jewish and Israeli Societies.” Jews at Home: The Domestication of Identity, edited by SIMON J. BRONNER, Liverpool University Press, 2010, pp. 140–62. JSTOR, https://doi.org/10.2307/j.ctv1rmjz2.8. 

Hamsa (Aish.com)

Amulets and Talismans (YIVO encyclopedia)

The Hamsa In Jewish Thought and Practice (Times of Israel)

Hamsa Flag (Ayin Press)

[ned7-what-now]

If you went to Saudi Arabia and stated their culture was judeo-islamic or islamo-christian they'd treat you like a fucking moron and possibly beat you.

So how the fuck did the term judeo christian become a thing?

[boreal-sea]

The Hamas charters

Hamas has had two charters, the first in 1988 and the second in 2017.

I have posted about this before, where I reviewed the charters and exposed their antisemitism, but I cannot find that post, so I'm making a new one.

The 1988 Charter:

Hamas is also known as the Islamic Resistance Movement.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" "Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious." "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement." "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." "In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised."

Hamas was not formed to find a peaceful solution, it is a nationalistic militant group formed to wage what they consider to be a holy war.

Hamas' original charter states that they believe Jews have "infiltrated" all kinds of organizations and have caused several wars, all with the goal of achieving Zionism. When they say "the enemies", they mean Jews. This document does not differentiate between Jews and Zionists and uses the terms interchangeably. Article 22 is where the antisemitism really hits the fan. The following is all one single long paragraph; I've broken it up to single out the individual antisemitic conspiracy theories:

"For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream."

Antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jews are all immeasurably wealthy? Check!

"With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others."

Antisemitic conspiracy theory that that Jews control the media? Check!

"With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there."

Antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jews have caused many wars throughout history? Check!

"With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests."

Oh hey it's the Judeo-Masonic antisemitic conspiracy theory!

"With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there."

And of course the antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jews secretly control the governments of major countries around the world. I remind you, all of this was in one single paragraph.

This document is wildly disorganized, so we go back to blaming Jews for wars, this time, WWI:

"They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."

I just cannot believe anyone who claims Hamas is not an antisemitic organization. Hamas blames Jews for both world wars and is claiming Jews literally "rule the world" and control the UN.

"They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion."

Jews are also apparently behind drugs and alcoholism and want to annihilate Islam. This would almost be funny if this document was not the charter of a real-world organization.

This document goes on and on. It cites the "Protocols of Zion", which is a known fake document written by antisemites and not by Jews:

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

So that's the 1988 charter. THIS IS WHAT HAMAS IS FOUNDED ON. These are their FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS. You cannot separate Hamas from this document, nor all the foulness and hatred it contains.

The 2017 Charter

Let's look at the 2017 charter now. For fairness. Maybe they've cooled down the antisemitism or desire to kill every Jew in the Levant?

"The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression." "The Zionist project also poses a danger to international security and peace and to mankind and its interests and stability."

Um. No, not really. They've decided to pretend they're separating Zionism from Judaism - "I'm not antisemitic, I'm just anti-Zionist!", but the message is the same.

"Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage."

Uh, that's some major denial of literal history there, Hamas. Islamic and Arab countries have absolutely perpetrated violent antisemitism against Jewish people. Like, a lot of antisemitism.

So, through historical revisionism wherein they claim antisemitism is a "Europe" problem, and by pretending to separate "Zionists" from "Jews", the 2017 charter downplays its antisemitism and focuses more on Palestinian liberation. Notably though, it still calls for violent resistance, and though it cedes they would accept the 1967 borders (aka, full Palestinian control over Gaza and the West Bank), it states over and over that Israel is "illegal", and that it does not recognize it as a legitimate state. It does not, at any point, recognize that Jews are native to the region, of course. Zionists are "colonial invaders" and nothing more. It is more polite about its antisemitism, but the antisemitism is still very much present.

[hindahoney]

I want gentiles to understand that Islam and Judaism are closer to each other than either are to Christianity. One thing you're taught growing up is that if you need to, it's more acceptable for a Jew to pray in a mosque than it is to step foot in a church. I've also been taught by my Muslim friends (I could be butchering the wording of this, if you know better feel free to correct me) that while in Islam everyone is believed to be Muslim and just don't know it yet, a jewish person is closer to Islam than a Christian would be. Jewish and Muslim rituals, practices, and cultures have a lot of similarities that just can't be found in Christianity (ie. Lunar calendar, sabbath on friday/Saturday, hair covering). The Christian belief in the Holy Trinity is largely what makes them completely separate from Islam and Judaism, despite sharing origins of Avraham. It's for this, and other reasons, that Jews don't accept that our G-d is the same as Christianity's version.

So when you say Judeo-Christian, not only is it offensive to link Jews with the people who have murdered us for centuries, but it's also just inaccurate, and I can guarantee that nearly any comparison you make between Judaism and Christianity is going to be wrong.