#just random shit im thinking about in orv

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i love dumping random shit onto my tumblr anyway weird discussion of the most random fandoms combined go! mostly discuses love as core themes of stories.

i think my favourite pieces of media are those that just dont make sense if you dont view them as a love story. i came across this discovery as i was watching code geass ep 17 when lulu goes insane when he realises the one thing thats in his way is also the person he trusts completely. there is no other genuine explanation other than love for the reasoning of his reaction in that scene. with shirley he had this mellow yet sorrowful reaction when he realised he couldnt be with her anymore. not saying there wasnt a part of him that didnt love her but with suzaku? he goes berserk. whatever he felt couldnt have happened if he didnt love suzaku.

other good examples of this are frieren, orv, and house. there are more my brain is just kinda fried rn and i think these three are good examples of like. varying levels of how explicit the message is. (theyre all obvious af tho)

ill start with frieren because i think if youve even like. heard about it youll know but himmel and frierens relationship really is the core of like the entire story. a boy who loved too soon and a girl who loved too late. frieren just isnt. frieren when you take that away. frieren at its like core is about love you cant just remove that because then the story wouldnt be the same it probably wouldnt even exist!!! and im sure everyone knows this its just surprising how frieren isnt officially a romance manga considering its entire premise

another example is orv which is a bit harder to know if youve only read the webtoon. orvs story just wouldnt exist if hsy didnt love kdj. if she didnt write yjh and then kdj wouldve died, plain and simple. and if kdj didnt love the story back then he wouldve also died. hsy, yjh, and kdj at their core are their love for each other. hsy spent 12 years writing a book everyday just for kdj to keep on living and in kaizenix she waited 50 years for him. yjh spent the entirety of orv learning how to love from kdj, through fighting alongside him, through protecting him, through seeing him die, even when he learned he wasnt real he still believed him, and in the end yjh was the one who let kdj be known in every universe. his mission was something that he only could brave through if he loved kdj. and he did. speaking of kdj, i think its very obvious to everyone but his self-sacrificial nature is due to him only knowing that as a love language. something else is how without kdjs love, orv also just wouldnt exist. if his love for twsa, for the chars, for STORIES, didnt exist, he wouldnt be alive. if he didnt keep on molding twsa, to be alongside every yjh and co, to suggest new plot points, he wouldve never came to love it.

onto my last example, house. now i think you gotta be a very specific type of person to catch them (its called not being homophobic) but man are house and wilson like. house the show itself. their love defines the show, from the first scene to the last. he only took that first case which started everything because of wilson. half of his stupid antics are because of wilson. his love starts and ends at wilson because he knows wilson will be the one person who will always be there consistently for him. because no matter what happens, like house getting sent to trial by tritter, or house failing to save amber, they will be together, whether they want to or not. so when wilson is diagnosed with cancer, he breaks. the one person who he thought would always be there for him. isnt. in fact, he'll die first. and so, he does everything. he listens to wilsons stupid fucking ideas because he needs wilson to be there for him, he needs wilson at his grave, not him at wilsons. thats why he gives everything to wilson, his vicodin, his attention, and even his life. the only reason he dies is so he can be with wilson. none of this actions can be done without love in them, absolutely none. i think my favourite quote of them is "if house chops down a tree, and wilson isnt around to hear it, did it really fall?" it just sums up their stupid, needy, insane, and romantic dynamic so much.

all of these pieces of media need love in them to be them, so i hope ive loved them more than they could ever want, despite some of their flaws 🩷🩷🩷

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4 and 10!

hi!

4. do you have any characters you wish interacted more?

this is a difficult one because theres so many relationships i wish we saw more of. orv is so long but its so chock full of interesting characters and dynamics i can easily list like 10 of these. gun to my head though id have to say kim dokja, lee gilyoung and shin yoosoung! every time theyre together they're a unique combination of adorable and heartbreaking. i am dragging his deadbeat dad ass back from whatever suicide hes currently busy attempting and making him have a nice family dinner with the two of them!!

i also think kim dokja and lee jihye have a fucking FASCINATING relationship though....i think out of all of the kids she's the one attempts to mimic his self sacrificial tendencies the most, (all though shin yoosoung and lee gilyoung also try and imitate him if im remembering right.......the cycle of self sacrifice is STRONG in that family) and i think her 'lmao youre so lame old man who even cares about you PLEEEEEAAASSSEE PLEASE DONT GO' dynamic with him is so funny. and also somewhat tragic. so yeah i think my final answer is kim dokja + the youngest trio from kimcom. although i do also spend a lot of time wishing we saw more of yoo jonghyuk and yoo mia.......

10. any popular thing in the fandom you cant stand?

aside from the way so many joongdok fans will erase han sooyoungs importance to the narrative and her relationship with them to facilitate their yaoi (which ive complained about so many times i dont think i need to repeat it here).....ok, this could just be a different interpretation kind of thing but i dislike when people use kim dokjas objectively very warped perception of himself, where he's like 'oh yeah im so evil for caring for these children' to do a complete 180 and be like 'oh hes the best guy ever with no moral complexity'. he did some fucked up stuff!! i dont think hes evil at all. i also think that orv loses a lot of its teeth when you refuse to consider the moral complexity of him only saving a handful of people on that train, or any of the other many instances where he sacrificed random nameless side characters he didnt care about to achieve his goals. were his goals good? yes. but theres still a complexity there that was one of main things that hooked me on orv that i dont see discussed much.

also fellow white fans stop calling kim dokja a rat its racist and its weird. ive been seeing people in the fandom ask white fans to cut that shit out literally since i joined in 2021 and its still ongoing. weird as shit! cut it out!

thanks for the ask <3<3<3

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orv fanfics ideas im *rly* thinking hard about

plotja (yes this counts as an idea sue me i have like. 15 different ideas ranging from ‘kdj picks him’ to ‘sp gives kdj a collar’ to less happy ones to outright pwp smut to put that counter +1 on plotja smutfics on ao3 i crave that)

consentacles + plotja (im in the chp420s it waS A GIVEN U CANT GIVE ME TENTACLES AND NOT EXPECT ME TO BE ALL OVER THAT DAMN IT)

isekai au with a ‘summoned’ kdj inside a novel (isekai *is* one of my fav tropes i thrive and live over that, i have 45+ isekai im following as it is now) (i have the entire plot of this one planned out in detail im just that invested ok)

silly sub-scenario crack-treated-seriously joongdok one-shot for the sake of it

sub-scenario angst-leaning joongdok + kimcom family shit dealing with how much they care for kdj and he cares for them as much back

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Kim dokja for the ask meme /o/

i got this request 3 times.

favourite thing about them

I can't choose this man has so many layers. The SLAVISH devotion to the concept he cannot be the focus of someone's experience of living really up there, as well as how he is so fucking cringe. Man most deserving of being the protagonist of a tropey webnovel

least favourite thing about him

I think repeated exposure makes even his worst traits endearing. I hHAAAAATTEDDDD him when the novel started but now when I read it i feel so much love.

The qipao and garterbelt thing though

BrOTP

Help. Jung Huiwon I think. She has sooooo much fun being his asskicking right hand she thinks its so funny and awesome. even though she doesnt respect him

and of course han suyeong the way they absolutely ricochet off each other yet are in perfect agreement driving around in an expensive car racking up the $$$ was my favourite moment with them

OTP

dokhyeok -_- juhankim starts picking up later but im missing a lot of context feels so bad...

nOTP

yu sangah. listen he has really fascinating relationships and ways of engaging with people but i would have quit the novel if they went with a choice so painfully straight man pandering

Random Headcanon

In a 'celebrity AU' kim dokja would be a vtuber using vrroid studio default presets with 5 followers who doesn't speak but he's insanely good at the game he plays. sometime he does speedruns on old games no one cares about and constantly hits just shy of world records with his shitty preset vrroid studio model with motion capture from his old android phone.

sorry that isnt a headcanon its just so important that you know this about him. stop making him an idol like in your terrible yaois

Unpopular Opinion

Speaking of idol AUs i think he is done SOOOOOO dirty from cumbrain yaoi fans that came from other webnovel fandoms and it's overtaken it in ways it didn't with MXTX novels despite not being BL which is HEADACHE INDUCING the need to take KIM DOKJA AT FACE VALUE? KIM DOKJA??!???? jail for 1000 years for anyone who comes out of ORV believing the things kim dokja says about himself. like listen kim dokja himself is the kind of person who takes the things he reads at face value it's a part of why he develops such a complex relationship with his rereads he is not a guy that is invested in motivations i shouldn't love him but hate the fandom in a novel innately about the reader and the process of different ways of interpreting a text but holy shit. trying to find what yaoi archetype he fits into is the most darksided way of viewing a text literally i understand how hunger games book fans feel when i see this like leave katniss alone!!!!!!! but its for a slimy webnovel power fantasy protagonist.

favourite picture

funniest guy in the world