#kim rok soo and cale henituse

[weirdmultishipper]

Unpopular opinion(?): Deruth Henituse

Let's all face it: Deuth wasn't a bad father to Og!Cale. He was millions of times better than a lot of fictional fathers and I wholeheartedly agree with that. ദ്ദി（• ˕ •マ.ᐟ

Unpopular opinion: That's doesn't mean I have to like him. (¬⤙¬ )

And I'm all for different opinions. People can view one thing in various different ways, and that's perfectly understandable! I don't like Deruth and that's mine.

Deruth was-no, is a coward. The lovely author of the novel has made it pretty clear. And I don't hate him for it. Being a coward is not a sin, but neglecting your son is.

Like b*tch, most fanfictions make you a better father than you are just because your wife was dead like WTF?!?! Your son's mom was dead too REMEMBER THAT?!?! 눈_눈

And I'm not against Cale and Deruth having a good relationship or those fanfics that basically erase Deruth's wrongdoing because to be honest, I enjoy them too. It's much easier to pretend Deruth was a good father and that our lovely little Og!Cale had a wonderful life than look at canon. o(TヘTo)

Let's recap: Deruth was a decent father until Jour died. Then he went into a deep depression of which Cale tried his bestest to pull his father out of. We know Cale basically ignored his own sorrow just to take care of his father AND the count duties his father was ignoring at the same time. While there is nothing wrong with grieving as losing Jour was very hard for Deruth, couldn't he have at least put SOME effort into assigning someone efficient to handle his duties so 7-year-old Cale didn't have to?

While on the topic of grieving, Deruth not only failed his duties as a count but as a father. I personally have no experience with this, but I had a friend with a dead mother. Even though her father must've been sad too, he put in effort to take care of her and her sister, send them to school, make money, manage the household and everything. Fathers and mothers push aside their sorrow every day to do the bast they can for their children. Deruth, on the other hand, was too much of a fool to do any of that.

Deruth wasn't the only one who lost Jour, after all. Cale lost his mother. The one who gave birth to him, raised him, hugged him, told her all his secrets, whom did the same in return, and was the only other person with the same bright and beautiful hair that he had.

And he could've turned around after a few weeks and fixed everything up and let both him and Cale heal with each other. But NOOOO~ He had to leave his only cute, lovely, wonderful, but most of all GRIEVING son all alone in a cold and lonely mansion for vacation. Like he could've at least taken him along so they could grieve together? But NOOOO~ Cale looks too much like his dead wife and that's so iMpOsSiBle~ ～(　TロT)σ

But he fixed that? How? By marrying the woman on the spot! Bringing in a new countess when no one but him got over the old one and turning up all the dark shades of sorrow into wedding curtains before Cale even knew what was happening! (°ロ°)

But I also know he had good intentions. Being the count and all, he probably knew marrying Violan would mean she could help her with the household. Maybe he also thought that Cale would immediately think of her as his mother.

Now, him falling in love wasn't a sin and Violan is an amazing woman😍, but I think he undermined his son's sorrow just because he found a reason to move on from Jour.😔

BTW, Violan, Basen, and Lily are amazing. They're one of my most fave fictional families and no one can tell me otherwise. Go them! q(≧▽≦q)

And as the years go by, our smart Cale realizes that the vassals and the collateral family are coming after Violan and Basen and decided to throw away his life and soul all for his father's picturesque perfect family; just so that coward can be happy.

And then KRS!Cale comes along (also love him, go my baby make fires 🔥 and steal MONAH!!! 🫰💰💵) and suddenly, Deruth thinks Cale is all "fixed" and "not broken" so he can finally reach out to his son, only it's NOT HIS SON ANYMORE!!! Like, he had over 10 years even after marrying Violan to reach out to him but ?????

But since there are no implications of him raising a hand against Cale, I don't hate him and wish for his death like another certain protagonist's father (I'm looking at you, Kim Dokja's 'father'), but that doesn't mean I can just forgive and forget all of this, okay?

Yes, he let Cale waste his life away because he couldn't even protect the new family member that he brought into the family HIMSELF as the count, so Cale had to do it himself. And from what I can infer, when the Choi Han incident happened in TBoaH, he didn't even show up or visit him even though we know Cale would fight the damn gods if it were the other way around. He did provide Cale with the best treatment and kept an eye on him, but couldn't bear to face him.

So in conclusion: I don't really hate Deruth, but please for the love of peace, family, and chaos DON'T convince me to like him one bit.

[weirdmultishipper]

It's very interesting to see how they both had similarities in both their lives, in both the past and the future.

Kim Rok Soo, a boy who once had a family but lost too early to remember. Living as an orphan and an outsider everywhere he went. He had to fend for himself and had no one to share his pain with. No one to show his real, raw emotions to. He was just an emotionless bastard left alone in the world without a speck of humanity within him.

Cale Henituse, who had a loving family that he lost, and he had to keep up an act because he knew he wasn't important to his father (or really, anyone) after he remarried. He went through the pain of not only, losing his parents, but himself in a way too. And he had no one to show the real 'him' to. He was just the lousy trash of the righteous count's family who was nothing but a bastard with no sense of humanity within him.

Kim Rok Soo and Cale Henituse. Rok Soo and Cale. Rok Soo who would become Cale and Cale who would become Rok Soo.

The old Kim Rok Soo; calculative, cold, emotionless. Won't even cry at his brothers' funeral. A leader who might have lost everything but acted as if he never had anything to begin with. A cruel bastard who is fated to be alone.

The real Kim Rok Soo; a calculative guy with a good heart that loves money, food, and adopting sad existences into his family. would like to be a rich slacker and grow old with his ever growing found family. He showed more emotion in his few years as Cale then he ever did as Kim Rok Soo. Would die for his family over and over again if he had to.

The old Cale Henituse; a lousy trash bastard hated by Choi Han and his friends. Going on to become a powerful elite knight in the 20-year war against the White Radish Thing after losing everyone he ever cared for. The very reason he acted as a trash being no more. He was fated to be alone.

The real Cale Henituse; someone who brings people together. A traumatized 40-year-old who gives everyone the world and finally gets it himself with the help of a certain godly bastard and a certain sacrificial bastard. Someone who smiles easily and someone who doesn't wear much of a mask anymore. Would sell his soul for his family over and over again if he had to.

Kim Rok Soo and Cale Henituse were only ever ROK SOO and CALE when they were CALE and ROK SOO.

KRS!Cale and Cale!RokSoo were emotionally constipated bastards who were fated to be alone. But now they are more 'Kim Rok Soo' and 'Cale' in their current lives than they ever were in the past. Some people may think world-switching was very sad for them, adn it was, but they are finally in the place where they are fated to be with their family and their selves. To be the true 'Kim Rok Soo (now Cale Henituse)' and Cale Henituse (now Kim Rok Soo)' that they always dreamed to be.

And of course, slacker life too. Their ultimate dream. Are you sure they aren't soul twins? Oh, wait- they ARE.

About the soul-swap partners:

I love that neither of them decided to stick to their given roles.  In either universe, really.

You’ll get what I mean.

Cale, who was Kim Rok Soo, does not keep up the image of trash.  He calls himself trash, he is called trash.  He does not keep his reputation.  Not the alcoholism, and he doesn’t throw bottles at gangsters.  No, he takes care of the underworld and other nobles in his own way (ie, recruitment or utter destruction).  He does not have his old reputation in this world either.  He’s not known as this cold leader who doesn’t care when someone dies, he’s known as a brilliant young man who cares way too much.  He’s known as an idiot who would rather pass out from exhaustion a week later than leave things to fester for one minute.  

And then there’s Kim Rok Soo, who was Cale Henituse once upon an apocalypse.  (First the fuq of all, nobody knew jac squat about him in the first place, and being the son of his mother probably made him something of an automatic anomaly.  I assume just being a Thames makes you kinda weird.  But anyway!) He lived as trash, an alcoholic who threw too many bottles back and then at the wall.  Then he lived through 20 years of a losing war.  And he got tired.  Tired enough to listen to a voice in his head in his last moments, to switch worlds and bodies with some stranger.  And he chose the motto that reflects the sentiments of his soul swap partner to a T: let’s live peacefullly.

And he smiles now, as Kim Rok Soo.  He sits back in his office chair, with an easygoing attitude.  He’s not the trash that would only shout; he is sly, and he knows how to use his status to properly put punks in their place.  He’s the team leader who refuses to be mistreated by anyone.  He will not be used, he would rather do his work as he needs to.  He isn’t a lowlife with no responsibilities in the wake of a war he would be just about useless in; he has a niece he has to go home to.  He drinks casually, not too much.  And he smiles in a way that’s too bright for the cold Kim Rok Soo.  He’s too happy now to be called cold-blooded. It’s like there’s a fire in his eyes that had been lost ages ago. Something that was rekindled when he had someone to go home to.

Despite changing their own lives so much, they wound up being nearly the same as one another and that drives me a little insane.

And let's not forget the best part.  One famous line they have in common in every world:

“Should I flip everything over?”

Another thing: I think Cale's gonna start resembling Kim Rok Soo. As in, he'll start relaxing a bit as the work goes on, he'll learn to rest as he goes (as in actually rest) and delegate work properly. He won't brush past comments like he used to, he will look a person in the eye and go 'I can just leave this world and leave you to your fate' which I would love to see, honestly. I feel like their individual capacity to be petty increases with age, and that's probably one of my favorite things about these characters. So them finding new ways to piss off people who don't like them could just be made into its own series and I would sell my soul for it.

[thegradus2]

Dw guys you can both get what you want for the very low price of ! Losing everything

[murasaki-cha]

Choi Jung Soo: You wanna know what my motto is?

Kim Rok Soo: Okay, what?

Choi Jung Soo: If a dead ancestor doesn't appear in the sky to stop me, it can't be that bad of a decision

Kim Rok Soo: ...

Lee Soo Hyuk: That's some deep shit right there

*current time*

Choi Jung Soo: So that’s my plan. What do you think?

Cale: Just hang on a moment. Raon do the thing please.

Raon: *levitates Choi Han and slowly descends him towards CJS*

Choi Han: Absolutely not for that plan

Choi Jung Soo: I hate you guys

[iikisa]

Was messing around with water colors and this skit came out lmfao

Bonus sillies:

[lizmidfordsblog]

Currently rereading the novel for my fic and my god, Cale really do be the little shit type. Man's out here spouting bullshit left and right. He thinks he's scamming other people but he's running the biggest scam on himself??

Like what do you mean you're scamming the Jungle by putting out their fire in exchange for land? That's called employment?? What sort of job did you do before?

What do you mean you're gonna use On and Hong, and force Choi Han to pay for his meals? You're gonna scam Eruhaben, or put Raon to work? Saved Hannah and Jack, using them to topple the Empire? They already wanted to do that, dumbass. You give these people food, a house, affection and mental stability, and you think you're scamming them?

Man's biggest scam is deluding himself.

The funniest thing is reading about how at one point, Adin considers the two of them to be alike. Meanwhile, Cale's out here kicking ass and taking names with the power of friendship.

[cale-thames]

I really like the chemistry between ogCale and krsCale! They are so bestie coded.

Everyone had some misunderstanding when they met with krsCale for the 1st time no matter how smart they were (Alberu thought he was a elf). Even his close friends still misunderstand him including himself.

But ogCale was able to understand him perfectly despite just meeting him for the 1st time. It felt like he could read krsCale' mind despite the other having a stoic expression.

He also understood that krsCale is actually very kind despite the rumors of him being a cold blooded person.

Moreover, he didn't say some things out loud knowing that krsCale can get uneasy or feel burdened.

Furthermore, he was the 1st (?) person to support krsCale' dream to live peacefully without any questions and advised krsCale about what to do to not become the count.

Finally, unlike everyone else, he didn't become angry at krsCale for getting hurt. He was shocked, but he could understand krsCale' situation and simply wished him luck.

On the other hand, krsCale who refuses to listen to other people's sad backstory or dislike hearing something troublesome, did both for ogCale.

He attentively listened to ogCale' story despite knowing that it is troublesome. He also said he would like to hear more details. It was so unlike him!

They can understand each other like no one else can.

[birb-catto]

KRS waking up as Cale: Busy day busy day gonna avoid being beaten to a pulp. Gotta catch all these APs to live a slacker life. I've got like 5 major plans and 43 backup plans running in the background anD WTF IS THAT A HERO TITLE!? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?!

OG!Cale waking up as KRS: You know what *doesn't go to work* *goes on a reading binge*

[nonexistentirl]

Continuing the headcanon that Kim Roksoo loved to cuss people out in languages they didn't understand.

Cale: 야이 씨발 개자식이야

White Star, taken aback: what language are you speaking?

Cale: the language of your ancestor, you son of a bitch.

[halloween-neko96]

It just hits me that everytime Cale having those ‘I have an ominous/bad/iffed feeling’ moments is just his mind calculating and predicting the future based on the information he has through ‘Record’. It literally got mentioned when he took the Failure Test in the Sealed God Temple that his mind is constantly running, reviewing the past, analyzing every detail, and predicting the future.

So Cale, through cold logic, in his mind, totally knows for a fact those situations will come, he is basically just in deep denial about it all the time.

[friedwizardwhispers]

Someone: So...Who will be territory lord ?

The Henituses:

[weirdmultishipper]

My RokCale Week Day 1 Fic (or a part of it)

Kim Rok Soo was being honest when he promised his hyungs he wouldn't bring back any trouble he caused back home.

He was also being honest when he said he didn't even cause or have any part in the said trouble. The trouble just latched onto him, just like always.

Only this time, in a quite literal sense.

On, their neighbor's grandchild, had developed a persistent cold a few days before that held her hostage at the mercy of her bed. Hong and Raon weren't allowed to go near her, but they barely ever left the doorway of her bedroom unless called for.

Weeks before, the three children had tirelessly worked to convince Rok Soo to take them to the festival flea market, to which he had begrudgingly agreed. His hyungs had laughed at the sight of the children tangling him in their circle as they picked out what to eat and do, and they agreed to tag along too. However, when the date finally arrived, everyone found themselves unwilling to part with On, knowing the flea market would feel wrong without her.

But Kim Rok Soo stubbornly decided that even if they couldn't enjoy the festival, the food was too good to be wasted. So he decided he was going to use all of the money in his hyung's credit card (three cheers for Lee Soo Hyuk's acting skills!) to buy as much food as possible and bring it back to share with everyone.

He knew they would appreciate the gesture, even if they couldn't physically be there with them. And so, with a determined glint in his eye, Kim Rok Soo set off to make sure the children didn't miss out on the delicious treats of the flea market.

He was just heading home with bags filled with goods when a teenager rapidly strided up to him with a ferocious look on his face.

He thought, 'Nope,' and was about to dash away when the red-haired boy burst into tears and started bawling at him.

"H-h-how COULD YOU, YOU INSOLENT BASTARD!!! I-I LOVED YOU with all my heart, YET YOU left ME to play with Lady Capulet!!!"

Kim Rok Soo froze in shock, trying to make sense of the teenager's outburst. Lady Capulet? Who the hell was Lady Capulet? And why did this boy think he had any connection to her?

As the teenager continued to cry and shout accusations, Kim Rok Soo realized that there was a heavy flush in his face and that dazed look in his eyes that only drunk people have.

Great. Now he had to deal with a drunk and probably heartbroken teenager, or he was sure the whole town would gang up on him for not "taking responsibility" or something equally horrific.

Taking a deep breath, he calmed himself and gently placed a hand on the boy's shoulder, trying to explain that he was not the person the boy thought he was. But the boy was inconsolable, and Rok Soo knew he had a long night ahead of him.

[dan-ish]

Can we really call Cale oblivious?

When I was reading tcf for the first time I had the question "Why is cale oblivious to his own actions destroying his slacker dream? Why does this man turn the world upside down and still thinks he might be unknown at the end of the day? ?" In my mind all the time..

So, I decided to analyse his actions in his own perspective!

What did Kim Rok Soo do that was so different from Cale? Nothing really, in both lives he's doing the same exact thing :

• Fighting the evil beings with overwhelming advantage (as much as he could).

• Scamming the bad guys in whatever way he does it.

• Preparing several plans for most possible situations before stepping in.

•Encourages and helps his people to become stronger and uses their abilities in the most efficient way helping them 'stand out more than him' as he thinks.

• Has no problem in retreating if the situation is not going as intended, prioritise his people's wellbeing above all else!

• Works from the rear as a strategist, but is always ready to step in whenever the situation goes south to flip the tables; not just turn them.

He has been doing this since he became a team leader and has continued in the same manner after transmigrating, so far almost 13 years !!

But here's the one most important difference between now and then: Cale is not affected by the White Star's curse anymore! Since it broke the moment he transmigrated into Cale's body nothing now is hiding his achievements from the world.

However, as a victim of both WS's reincarnation and og Cale's transmigration, (the curse's cause and its breaker) he had no idea, until recently, so this is the thing Cale does not understand the most. He may have figured out the concept of what effected him but he's yet to link his past to his present comparing them to the point he believes this is an important factor of why he's becoming a worlds wide hero.

So when he says 'i just wanted to be a small hero why isn't it working like it always has?!' he actually means it and is genuinely confused! (And certainly justified) Because why ,if he does almost the same strategy, is he's having different results this time!?

The variables become clearer if you have an outsider pov, for example: krs's curse made it that he can't cherish anything or be cherished, that's why all the people he cared about left him one way or another, This explains why Cale can't understand why his family care for him. Something inside of him thinks unconsciously "How are they still here?". It's not that he's in denial, it's rather that he has never been given the chance to process this love and care in his 40 years of life, for as soon as he starts to accept that he may have a chance of happiness, it's immediately stolen from him, leaving him more traumatized than before...

Another side would be that every time a chance arised for him to standout in public, like the speech thing he talked about, "something" would happen; a monster outbreak, an accident, or maybe an unexpected attack from some evil ability users...

Which means it's not only his desire to stay hidden that has been keeping his achievements in the dark as krs, it was mostly his curse and when he couldn't be praised he thought 'Well, who wants public recognition anyway?'

You can see he was well-known inside his feild, the government,guilds and throughout the company, He was almost an idol to the people in the brain team! But that's where it stopped, always.

So, it's totally understandable how Cale gets confused everytime he does something good and is praised and cheered for by the citizens; what he had learnt from YEARS of experience is that whatever he did, in the end it remained between these companies walls. [It mostly won't go further unless someone is digging around, like the assassins and illegal guilds that hated him]

No matter what good deeds he does, he can't be 'loved', for he is cursed to be left alone. I mean, we still barely know ANYTHING about team leader krs,his abilities, exact strategies, his team and their relationship with each other what other hardships did he face?

The speech curse is one thing we figured just recently and it never crossed my mind before that he could have been in such a situation...

Maybe he never bought a better house because each time he tried it would get destroyed because he "can't have anything to cherish" so he had to be stuck with the wrecked place that triggered his records and brought him more pain and suffering...?

Back to the point, krs was free to do much more without standing out, he didn't have these "fame/heroic consequences" as for he thought this was the norm for him at least, and tbf that's a major one less headache for him to deal with since he had enough enemies already. And he's a shy little boy but we don't talk about that !

And one little thing to note, he's used to trouble coming after him, and he has this sense of responsibility that he should be the one dealing with all of the trouble since most of the time he concluded that he was the reason everyone around him got hurt...and he can't forget so that's two reasons why he's now dealing with all these problems even if his actions now have such consequences or if it brings him more trouble.

If your daily life was like this of course you'll be confused to WHY ISN'T IT WORKING OUT I JUST WANTED TO LIVE IN PEACE !!!

[calethescammer]

One of my favourite brain rotting tcf ideas is Cale having some tremor disorder. Basically, he has hands that randomly tremble without any reason.

It may be genetic to him, or he developed it as Cale because of not eating his meals properly and inevitably developing some vitamin deficiency.

Now comes the best part.

Imagine Cale, perhaps in some really gruesome battle, with blood of enemies and allies mixed around him. Imagine his family seeing Cale's stoic face, wondering how a person so young can be so brave, and then they see his hands shaking under his raven coat, even as they're curled tightly into a fist.

Imagine Cale looking at Jour's portrait, admiring her beauty and her alike face with his own. But then his family sees him, his gaze fixated on his mother's image and his hands trembling slightly.

Imagine him, standing at the forefront of some battle with his shields raised, with his hands trembling uncontrollably, even though he is not straining himself. The people protected under him can only tear up at his selflessness.

Imagine Cale after attacking the enemies with a wave of firebolts, but his hands again started shaking badly, even if he has them covered under his sleeves. His family misunderstands that as Cale hiding his pain.

Imagine Cale, resting on a couch after some battle, and when Raon, On and Hong excitedly climb upon his lap, he only smiles slightly and pats them with his trembling hands. The kids then worriedly inform Ron of this and Cale recieves sweet lemon tea for a whole week.

Imagine Cale talking about territory matters with Alberu, and Alberu is once again amazed by his dongsaeng's witty and almost experienced approaches to problems like war. But then he sees Cale's hands shaking while holding the tea cup, and he realises how absolutely not normal it is to not be nervous in such a situation. (Alberu later pledges to himself to give Cale the slacker life he always wished for.)

Just imagine Cale in any situation with trembling hands and it literally creates the most hilarious misunderstandings with some really wonderful angst.

[unluckycactus]

Stuff I picked on and appreciated about OgCale from his interaction in canon with KRS!Cale:

The way he immediately but indirectly claimed Cale as family.

I found it curious how he purposefully avoided possessive pronouns during most of their chat when speaking in present time, except when it was time to say goodbye. He used them when speaking in past-tense mostly.

He didn't ask 'how's my family?' but 'is the family doing well?' and later on he didn't say 'go to my mom's tomb' but 'go to mom's tomb.'

He didn't treat nor did he make Cale feel as an outsider despite being the first time they met.

He told Cale/ogKRS that he was going to save his (ogKRS) world.

Anyone who thinks ogCale is just having an easy time should probably watch the first minutes of Kaijuu no 8 to more or less dimension what kind of post-apocalyptic shit is going on there.

Not to mention, filling shoes as big as ogKRS' is not easy either. But he's doing it. He's working hard. And he will keep doing it, because he assured Cale he would save his world.

And what I like about that is that he didn't need too many words to convey: I'm gonna do my share, don't worry about that.

He wasn't weird about telling Cale about his mother's AP location

We know his mother was the most important person to him, but there was absolutely no weirdness or shadiness when giving Cale instructions to,,, y'know,, basically rob his mom's tomb

He's probably the only person thus far that actually gave Cale useful advice on how to become a slacker LOL

He was like 'there's no way you will get to slack if you don't get through Violan and Basen, bc they won't let you give up the heir position'

And I don't think anyone has been so upfront with Cale about that before. At least not during the whole Book 1.

Cos people usually sigh in exasperation or dismiss Cale's dream as nonsense, they don't even tell him why they think like that.

It was nice seeing someone giving Cale the heads up for once.

[iikisa]

Posted this separately :

Later after eruhaben’s lectures and worries

Ouch