#lila is much more of a planner and a far better manipulator

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ok the issue for me when gabriel dies (assuming he does.  lmao).  is that lila is the only like.  current candidate next!hawkmoth. and like.  lila can be a fun and great villian.  but the thing is.  she lacks the truly compelling motivation needed to carry being like. the main villain.  gabriel is fun because he is easy to hate, but also you totally see where he’s coming from, and he has a badbackstory and makes the wrong choices, but you understand why. he has an extremely compelling motivation to explain his actions.  he’s motivated by his wife, his memories of her, his son, and nathalie.  he wars against these things constantly and you see it pressure him and it’s fun.

felix has potential as a rising villain for his own conflicts and reasons for being who he is, it isnt fully revealed to us, but sentimonster theory is basically confirmed, etc. he has a reason and he has weakness and emotions, any cruelty he chooses is understandable and compelling.

lila does not have a compelling backstory or.  reason to do what she is doing.  she likes to be on top and feels insulted by others who disregard her, and she wants to have the world wrapped around her fingers but..she lacks like.  a REASON for that?  she hasn’t lost anything and she just like, doesn’t have any actual source of deep conflict that gabriel, nathalie, felix, or really many of the akumatized victims have.

like i am all for a new hawkmoth.  as much as i love gabriel, i understand his story has to crumble etc.  but if lila is the next holder i will be disappointed, as it will feel lacking and i cant really think of a way to make her compelling the way the other antagonists are.

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How do you think Lila or Chloe would compare to Gabriel if either wielded the Butterfly? I can't quite see either as being a better villain since they lack both the resources and real experience in life to do much. Chloe's flat out spoiled and Lila probably can't do much if her lies don't work. Gabriel was at least a capable fighter if Heroes Day was anything to go by.

Chloe wouldn't work so well. She wouldn't even know how to use it properly. The Butterfly requires an amount of give and take, but she wouldn't offer anyone anything. She would just demand they do what she wants, which would make some less inclined to obey her. Plus she wouldn't really have the imagination or creativity to give people good powers. And on top of all that, she isn't quite the best planner. Hawk Moth had to guide the akumas—give directions and make plans on how to proceed. Chloe is the entitled sort who expects things to be handed to her. She's good at sabotage (blackmail and trying to steal as shown in Darkblade, shutting down the music video in Frightningale, and the whole train incident in Queen Wasp) and is good at using her father's power to get out of any consequences of that sabotage. Her stint as the Butterfly user would be largely ineffective. Likely even counterproductive.

Alternatively, it'd be even worse if she does as she had in canon and reveals herself to the city. She could make herself a major antagonist by showing off her use of the Miraculous to the entire city and using it to mostly benefit herself. HER friends/lackeys gets special powers so don't you want to be her friend? Her father would no doubt fully support it and try to have her be portrayed as a hero. Most of Paris would despise her though since it's just another thing she not only uses to lord over them, but uses to threaten them and keep them under her thumb since one of her "champions" could "accidentally" take out their livelihoods and what can they do against her?

At least until someone finally has enough and steals the Miraculous. The say way a certain someone would steal phones. Chloe would no doubt demand that the thief be arrested and the Miraculous be returned but...yeah...fat chance. And if the new Butterfly user uses their powers to empower people to fix things and undo the damage Chloe caused...well, it'd make that person the most popular thief in Paris.

Lila would be more dangerous. While her lies are really lousy and unbelievable, she's known particularly for getting people to believe them. And while she couldn't back up any of her other false promises, it's still a tactic would serve her in getting the trust of people she's wanting to akumatize. She would also be adept at sabotage and manipulation, so her akumas would possibly play into that. Either as distractions, pawns in her bigger plans/setups, or or manipulators in their own right.

The point that works against her is that despite her more manipulative nature, Lila is much like Chloe in that she wants attention. While the smart and most dangerous thing to do would be to stay hidden and manipulate things from the shadows, Lila is a glory hog. She would likely want to present herself as a hero. Not a hero in the shadows, but one widely known and popular in the city.

She could do this one of two ways:

One, she presents herself as a "benefactor" to the people of the city. Akumatizing people for various "causes"...all while actively working her way specifically to "helping" the rich and famous. While starting off being viewed as a "charitable" and "generous" hero, she'd eventually focus mostly if not solely on those that could most benefit her over the average citizen. Though nobody can really complain since as far as they can see, "she's done so much good". Ultimately, Lila would use the Butterfly to just boost her own status.

Two, much like she did as Volpina, she uses her powers to try to make herself out to be a hero. Creating akumas for her to fight and "defeat" just to make herself out to look better. She'd go out in public and appear to be a great fighter as she creates weak akumas or akumas with specific weaknesses she can easily defeat. All to make herself look good and receive the praise of the city. Unlike Chloe, she at least wouldn't reveal her civilian identity, though she would use her superhero persona to benefit herself as a civilian. Claim they're "friends", have her hero persona praise Lila and demean those she doesn't like, and possibly specifically try to target those who are against her to use as akumas to make them out to be villains or untrustworthy. This would make her more sinister. And problematic if other heroes appear as she would either be the False Hero/Villain With Good Publicity while the Heroes would be by contrast made out to be Heroes with Bad Publicity OR they believe she's trustworthy as a hero and don't realize she's actually behind the attacks they're trying to stop and is just leading them around on a wild goose chase because she doesn't WANT the attacks to stop.

The first would lead to a lot of drama and angst, but the latter would be more interesting to me and possibly funny, especially if a Spanner In The Works appears as another hero or antihero who keeps unwittingly (or perhaps not so unwittingly...) messing with her plans. Because they'd be the one thing she can't account for or predict and they keep disrupting her plots, possibly in a way that gets the other hero more praise and attention, which would just upset Lila more and cause her to try to target them either physically and directly or publicly and subtly, which may just work against her each time and cause more people to start to question Lila and the Butterfly Hero. Because Lila seems the sort to make big gambles with questionable gains, this would ultimately be her downfall.

Assuming, of course, that other heroes appear at all. It could be one of her own akumas that outs her. After all, there is still that whole 5 minute time limit and other limitations of the Miraculous. With no Ladybug to undo the effects and purify the akumas, would the former akumas remember their time as monsters? Would they remember Lila's voice? And if she was especially cruel in her control of them or failed to keep her promise, who's to say they wouldn't figure it out and go after her?

[thecosywinteremo]

More tua s3 thought splurging, Viktor and Five themed

I wanted a lot more Viktor and Five teamup ngl I didn't realise I had high hopes before they were crushed 😭 I loved that Five trusted Viktor at the end and they kinda worked together with their little checkmate and all but I wish we'd had more bc they're both v intelligent planners and they would make such a badass team besides the fact that I am forcibly making them besties in my head (bc based on s1 and even s2 to an extent you can't tell me that Five and Viktor weren't a dynamic duo as kids, even if only on the dl, so can we get some of that back? We were cruelly teased with a Viktor and Five teamup at the end then Five just walks away ughhh)

And yes Viktor probably should have like not made some of the decisions he made in terms of having his own little plans and just sorta doing them but also that's a Hargreeves family special I'm just happy to see him take the initiative. And it's not necessarily worse than what e.g Diego was attempting in s2.

Which brings me to: the rest of the siblings need to trust Viktor more! He would be able to contribute a lot more if they didn't see him through a lens of 'blew up the moon' or 'sweet naive brother who is easily led' all the time. Like I loved the fact that they were all protective of Viktor when they thought Harlan was manipulating or abusing him but also guys! Listen to the man! Nowadays he's usually about to make a relatively good decision (usually) and has a relatively sharp eye for detail etc and is v intelligent and overall as on it as the rest of them and it would help everyone to recognise that.

Also Five's like 'don't become a villain' WE'VE DONE THAT ARC FIVE. The moon, remember. But appreciate your concern and ngl threatening to kill him doesn't even cramp my besties hcs that much bc tbh I feel like Five would kill any of the siblings and just feel really bad about it inside afterwards. Plus he bet on Viktor winning an argument against Allison and intervened (alongside Diego bc ik Diego and Viktor's comics counterparts were friends as kids and they're my second fave sibling relationship involving Viktor on the show, tied with Viktor and Allison) when he'd deemed Allison to have gone too far so we all know he still has a soft spot for Viktor and it's just generally obvious Viktor has a soft spot for him, though maybe Allison is taking the lead in his good books bc she trusts him.

Which brings me to my other point, that Allison and Viktor and Five are the most at each other's throats bc lowkey they're the most similar in a lot of ways BUT I will not elaborate on that here bc this is long.

Would have loved to see Viktor hang out one on one with Diego bc their little moment with putting their heads together in s2 is so sweet but the 'good, you are' made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, and the aforementioned standing up so.

Five making friends with Sloane and moreover hanging out with Klaus! Five and Lila enemies to frenemies! Five being like know what I'm going through it I'm having a break!

Now Five and Viktor better have like a full buddy cop thing or roommates situation or something going on in s4 if there is one bc there's so much to unpack with them as brothers, as extremely powerful individuals with extremely powerful regrets, and as individuals who in different ways have never quite related to and found their niche in the world the same way others had (ik Viktor found his place with Sissy but that was also a precarious place and he didn't really find himself until this season and then he hardly has time to settle into a new life and before that he was living in a drugged up fog, and Five has never had real stability so they work out a home and launching pad and their petty passions and moral and philosophical grappling together okay!! At least until the next big event comes along.

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Adrien, the best to the least fit miraculouses

One of the fun of miraculous swaps is to always consider how someone works with a miraculous, if it can be pulled off well, what new ideas and realizations come, and now I have some new thoughts on Adrien, what works with him best and what actually doesn’t work with him. And miraculouses are given to those with matching traits, and another factor is kwamis, who appear to have matching traits with their holders; and this little thing was started because I wondered if Adrien really could pull off being LB. 

So, best to least fit miraculous wise for Adrien (the rest undercut if anyone’s ready for this character study and speculation).

Black Cat (best of the two)

The most important trait to BC is acting without regard for self. This miraculous comes with an intense power, one that allows a holder to be involved and deep in a fight and can turn the tide of the battle easily. It should go to someone selfless, who will rush in to help without thought or regard of their own loss.

This is why Adrien passed, without thought or hesitation, he went to Fu to help him and was surprised to see that he had lost his chance to go to school, but has no regret for it. Same goes for him saving LB from Timebreaker; he did it without thought or regret. He is someone who does care, who likes to be involved, and likes to be apart of a fight. He acts as needed to save the day, will be there as he’s needed. 

And he matches with Plagg through recklessness, both of them are sooner doers than thinkers. Another factor is that both can be dodgy and selective about their responsibilities. 

Through the ring, Adrien gains freedom, a power to break free of his cage. 

Butterfly (best of the five)

The biggest key trait for butterfly is pushing others to solve problems for themselves, helping others move forward. This is a trait we’ve seen in Adrien a few times, specifically with his friends (Marinette and Nino). Adrien is more than happy to reassure and help push his friends forward (Marinette to her uncle when she was unsure, and Nino with her crush on Marinette). With the butterfly, Adrien would gain connections, getting personal with people, making friends as he wanted (that was his biggest reason for wanting to go to school, making friends). 

Additional traits are flexibility, agility, expression, and keeping to the background. Adrien likes to move in battle, to be fast so he can hit hard; now that we know that butterfly can be a lot more combative (a sword in the cane), he’d be right at home with it, able to move and hit. He’s expressive, able to show his true colors as himself, but not overwhelmingly so that’d it’d feed into his ego. 

And finally background. Adrien is a character that likes to keep to the background, likes to be an observer and help when he is needed; he doesn’t like keeping focused and is more inclined to let someone else make a decision and act instead. Another solid butterfly trait, letting the Champion have their time to shine and helping as needed, even more so since butterfly is best not keeping focus in battle, despite being able to fight. Butterflies in nature like to keep out of the heat of a situation, which matches with who Adrien is. 

On Nooroo, a little tricky since we don’t know the kwami well yet, but there are two big details I can see that match with Adrien: an eagerness to work with others (Nooroo was happy explaining the powers to Gabriel, eager to inform him how butterfly worked) and being easily shut down and contained. When Gabriel takes control, Nooroo bows his head in acceptance, something I don’t see Tikki or Plagg doing if they were in his spot. This behavior we see in Adrien with his father, bowing his head and letting things be, going along with his orders. He even does so with Chloe and Lila, getting dragged around and going along with them. 

This looks like a flawed trait that both Adrien and Nooroo share, just as Marinette and Tikki can share a flawed trait of worrying over small stuff, or Adrien and Plagg both being pretty selective about their duties and reckless. 

Peacock and Fox

These two are also kind of tricky not knowing too much about them, especially peacock. We have an idea on fox’s possible power and how it can be in battle, but nothing on peacock. But with speculation, I find these two about in the same spot on the list. There are traits in Adrien that I can see matching with both and that it can go either way on who can work out best for him. Both would provide to his wants, peacock more expression, getting comfortable with who he is, fox an escape from his home, to be out of sight of pressuring views. 

He has the expression and charisma for peacock; while Adrien isn’t something that stands out in a crowd, actually prefers to be an observer, supporter, and follower most of the time, he is someone that likes to grab attention, does like to be flashy, though usually in a silly sense. Another factor is his fowardness, Adrien isn’t shy about showing his interest in someone, he’s eager to be blunt about his feelings, eager to show off and impress. Very peacocky. 

Duusu is another factor that points to Adrien’s peacock potential. She’s a kwami that was shown in concept with a wide range of expressions, calm, laughing, crying, explosive anger; this suggests she’s a pretty expressive and animated and emotional, the last is what resonates with Adrien most. Where Marinette works and excels with logic, Adrien works with his heart, his emotion, what he feels. Duusu looks like she’ll work based on what she feels, just like Adrien does. 

Biggest argument to peacock over fox is that Adrien likes to be flashy to a few, in particular with people he wants attention from (like LB or Marinette). Peacocks, as I see it, likely are those that draw in attention from all, not just a few. There’s also a matter that peacocks stand their ground and face their adversary, Adrien isn’t someone who stands his ground enough and most of time is pulled along with what others want. 

Now with fox, Adrien has the cunning and craft for it. He can lie easily and naturally in Copycat (though for the wrong reason), he was able to get away with Chloe’s bracelet and made it seem like he didn’t have it at all in Rogercop; and fox for sure will be able to match with how he moves in battle, being flexible, fast, and energetic. This miraculous (if power if illusions) can be flashy and a brilliant distractor; which is one of Adrien’s strengths in battle that Marinette will make use of. And on Trixx, who looks coy and calm, probably mischievious too if she lives up to her name, can match Adrien with that calmness. A few times where LB will stress about the situation, Adrien is more up to roll with it, knowing it will work out. I can see them both matching with a slight devil-may-care view. 

The biggest issue on Adrifox, which keeps fox being a better fit than peacock, is that this miraculous will likely rely on cunning and cleverness. Adrien is someone who relies more on doing than using his wit. Another factor is that he is flashy, a little too flashy for a fox that is a more stealth related holder meant to manipulate from the shadows. 

Writing this, between the two, peacock may be a better fit due to the expressiveness and how foward he can be with his feelings, fox likely relying more on wit and not having the focus on themselves (at least, speculating so far).

Bee

The biggest trait Adrien has to work with bee is that he’s a team player. He will follow orders, he will play his part to help reach the objective. He’s also self-sacrificing, willing to take one for the team to see the objective secured (like saving LB, though it was more her life he had in mind than saving the day). He likes to work with others, is eager and open to working with others (like Volpina who just appeared, fine with working with Chloe despite her more focused on herself). He’s very community oriented and that is a big bee trait, teamwork and working with others. Much like butterfly, bee would help him make connections, become friends with others, just like he wants. 

As for Pollen, we’ll have to see since we don’t have much on her aside from smiling softly, but potentially, on how they match, is both of them being as sweet as honey (if she is a true honey bee). Both will also share an eagerness to act and be involved with akuma attacks. 

But there’s a big issue for bee!Adrien, something he’d struggle with and something Pollen will likely get frustrated with: responsibility and efficiency. One big issue Adrien needs to work on is his responsibility as a hero, how seriously he takes it. One of the reasons why it seems like he has the short end of the stick is because he doesn’t take his task as seriously, he doesn’t care enough to pay attention to his surroundings (Dark Cupid he ignored the akuma, Princess Fragrance he didn’t check to see where she was, Collector almost got him because he wasn’t paying attention to where the book was). He’s also more inclined to goof off than get serious, he’ll be serious when he needs to be but otherwise isn’t. I can see Pollen scolding him quite a bit for this behavior. Bee can be doable, but him being goofy on the job goes against bees and their symbol of diligence and being productive. 

Turtle

Another hard one since we don’t know too much, but there’s speculation! And looking at Fu to get some ideas, and by looks of it, by the 5, turtle is the least fit for Adrien. 

Trutle is likely the most defensive of the 5, and may have a power resolving around healing when looking at turtle symbolism (the most prominent, longevity). Turtle is a miraculous that like requires patience, stillness, and planning. 

Those traits aren’t any of Adrien’s strengths. He is someone who lacks patience, not listening to Plagg in Origins and just ready to go, he’s not a still character, he likes to move and act, and between the two heroes, he’s not the planner. 

Wayzz is also a kwami I can’t see Adrien having too many traits shared with him, at least the little we’ve seen. While Wayzz is quick to act and can be silly, he is cautious and wants to be sure of their course of action when the situation is grave. Adrien throws caution into the wind and just wants to go, just wants to do. I see that rubbing Wayzz wrong and him constantly reminding Adrien they need to be sure. 

Adrien can match turtle with a want to protect; but if this miraculous does resolve around patience, being cautious, and planning ahead and mainly being a protector instead of a mobile fighter; of the five this would be a great challenge for Adrien. 

Ladybug

The least fit mriaculous for Adrien is the ladybug, biggest reasons can be seen on his issues with bee and turtle, and slightly fox. 

What makes a solid Ladybug is being able to plan and act. Ladybugs are tacticians, they are aware of their surroundings and what they’re facing, they figure out what to do and act accordingly, making use of all that’s around them, from the place, the items, to the people. They aren’t reckless and just rush in. They take a step back and conider their situation. Leadership also looks like a strong trait in LB, able to command and direct others to do what they need to so they can succeed. 

With who Adrien is, he doesn’t have any of those traits. He is someone of action, he doesn’t plan, he doesn’t pay attention enough to his surroundings, he is reckless, lacks patience, isn’t a planner usually just leaves that to his partner, and it is usually his downfall in battle. If Adrien was Ladybug, on his own, he would not be lasting long, he would for sure need a parter or two to help direct and reel him in, secure that he makes it and does what he needs to do.

He’s also not a good leader. He can rally people to his side (Refleckta), but otherwise, doesn’t have the resolve or calculation for it. He caves too much to others, and again, there’s the matter of planning and being aware of what he’s facing and knowing how to make use of other’s skills to help succeed, which a good leader should be aware of. And as we see in Animan, he didn’t do a solid job directing Nino on how to approach Marinette. 

And Tikki, I see her having a lot of frustrations with Adrien and him with her. Tikki is a kwami that stresses caution, that wants to do logical approaches, and can be very direct with what she thinks is is right. For Adrien, that can be restrictive, and wear him out. He isn’t someone who likes to plan, he just likes to do. Also, as we see in Copycat, he is more than fine to brush off and ignore his kwami when they say something he doesn’t like, and unlike Plagg, Tikki would not stand to be ignored and such forcefulness can shut him down. Actually in general, he isn’t good at listing to his kwami, especially since he didn’t fully listen to Plagg in Origins, just went ahead and trasnformed, ready to just move. His lack of caution would be another big issue for them, in how he is in a fight and his view on keeping identities secret. 

They can match in a care for others, but as of now, I see a lot of issues that would come up between them, a good few arguments that can happen. I think their relationship would be lot happier as friends than kwami and holder. 

I find ladybug would be the biggest struggle for Adrien out of all the seven, he lacks the caution and planning for it, which are big key traits to LB; and this being the biggest struggle is what makes ladybug the least fit for Adrien. And for miraculouses that are meant to be given to those who match most, to flesh out their strengths and who they are so they can be an immediate help with the least amount of struggle, ladybug is the least fit for Adrien, it’s the opposite of who he is and how he works. And with this situation with a good LB needed who won’t struggle with the power so they can save the day quickly, Adrien is not the one to turn to, he is a far better black cat than ladybug, or butterfly as a solid second miraculous for him. Those two will play off his strengths very well and flesh out who he is. 

[commonratmiraculous]

Also Félix offers an explanation for why Adrien might genuinely believe that bad people, especially those who are young, have the ability to change. Canon Félix is a bastard, but the way he acts like that could be easily adapted to benefit others if he’s shown enough love that he’ll care for that person’s goals. Like, Félix doesn’t like Adrien much in the episode, but you can bet that Adrien’s high on the list of people he cares about and if the conflict is Adrien vs Almost Anyone Else Félix is on Team Adrien.

He’s not wrong in his philosophy here, just like what he says in Chameleon about Lila isn’t wrong.

He says (and this is a quote from the transcript): “But do you really think exposing her will make things better? If you humiliate her, she’ll just be hurt more. Making the bad guy suffer has never made them into a good guy.”

That observation is on point for what we knows he’d seen. He doesn’t know that Lila threatened Marinette, nor does he know that Lila’s going to take him sitting next to Marinette as Marinette being at fault. Lila hadn’t even started specifically targeting people yet.

It’s Onii-Chan that starts that and as others had said, Adrien was uncomfortable with Lila right there, and Lila goes forward to manipulate Gabriel Agreste into trapping him more. He’s only just started getting freedom again and now this?

On top of all of this, Adrien being submissive doesn’t make him unworthy of having the Miraculous. His power is Destruction and that’s an incredibly dangerous and volatile power to have. If he was less willing to take the time to consider what he’s destorying and when the results would be devastating for Paris. Ladybug’s plan often accounts for Cataclysm to be used and he’s not hesitant when following her lead either, which show’s he’s not too hesitant. And Miracle Queen only goes further to prove that Adrien is fully capable of taking the lead and making a plan that works if need be so it’s not as though he’s unable to figure out when best to act either.

He’s one of the best characters in the show for having the Black Cat Miraculous and Canon Félix has been pushed further away from consideration too because of his volatility, (though he’d still probably not destroy Paris given he seems to be a planner.)

As @botherkupo had said Adrien is expressing himself more out of costume so having the Black Cat Miraculous is helping Adrien heal from his abuse and trauma while also teaching him that the person he is right now isn’t a broken one because the lessons he had been taught are somewhat useful to everyday life.

Some abuse survivors, particularly those of gaslighting and manipulation find it daunting to unlearn and relearn things once they’ve recognised what’s going on isn’t right. I imagine a good part of this is because it’s difficult to not assume everything you know is wrong and not know where to start. Adrien’s healing thus far has been incredibly healthy in that respect, even when factoring in episodes like Frozer and Syren where his outbursts are the most problematic.

Is the middle of an akuma attack the best time to get emotional like that? On one hand, not at all, he has a responsibility to defeat the akuma. On the other hand, these are situations where we would have seen Adrien targeted by an akuma had there not already been one in play, and unlike Marinette there’s a greater chance he won’t be able to talk himself down before it takes over - again because he’s already vulnerable to manipulation, but also because he’s bound to react badly too Hawkmoth sounding just like his father, even if he doesn’t figure out HM is his dad. And not being akumatized in these situations allows Adrien to actually address these issues better then those who have been akumatized for similar reasons in the show so they don’t show up again.

Plagg’s a massive help for Adrien’s healing, and it’s the way Plagg does it that’s part of that. Plagg isn’t just there to emotionally support Adrien and give advice, or even to encourage him. He also gives bad advice (usually cheese related) that Adrien knows to dismiss automatically. This means that Adrien’s learning to think critically about all advice he recieves from not just Plagg, but everyone else that Adrien comes into contact with. Which in turn, prevents Adrien from falling back into the pattern of an abuse victim but with someone else in control. Like can you imagine how bad things would hve been if Lila had been able to sink her claws into Adrien?

If I see one more “Adrien is NOt wORtHY because he so submissive” post, I’m gonna flip tables.

It’s frankly gross that these people mock and hate on a character who is just using coping mechanisms that many abused children have (especially ones raised by emotionally manipulative and controlling parents.) Even more annoying is these people either wanna replace him with an actual jerk (Felix) or a guy who might as well be a pretty lampshade with a guitar. (Yeah, i went there. I’m sorry but also not sorry, because at this point I don’t know whether to laugh or bash my head against a wall at how ridiculous it is that characters who have been mostly developed through fanon and headcanons can somehow measure up to such a multifaceted, human character as Adrien.)

I’ve unfollowed so many people now, have salt filtered, and these stupid posts still somehow creep into my dash.

Just … what the heck is wrong with some people? Adrien is such an interesting, layered character. He’s also genuinely nice. I’m seriously judging if you have a problem with that.