#ml Strike Back

[mamayura]

Revelator analysis: Marinette remembering the Umbrella scene incorrectly

You know what I find really interesting about the interview scene in "Revelator" where Adrinette retells how they met? Marinette is actually getting a few details wrong.

Mind you, no deal breakers. She got all the emotional beats down accurately. And I will only truly take this as canon anyway when the French original has her misremember things the same way. But for now, it's really interesting that MARINETTE is the one who gets a couple of details wrong about the moment she fell SO in love with Adrien, while Adrien himself is out here making no such mistake in the whole interview:

This is correct. Simple as that.

This one... is on very thin ice. In reality, Marinette had just left the building and noticed it was raining when Adrien started talking to her. Yes, she was ready to wait until the rain stopped, but she never truly got to the waiting part:

But, by all means, if this were only this detail, I wouldnt make this post right now. Even if, factually, she didnt wait, she just noticed it was raining and thought she had to wait.

But let's get back to this later because there is another layer to this that was the catalyst for me writing this. But for now, moving on:

This is correct again. Adrien, in fact, had an umbrella.

But here is the thing:

This is... straight up wrong. Objectively. What Marinette reacted negatively to was Adrien trying to be friendly and saying "Hi" to her:

He only offered his umbrella at the end, so Marinette claiming so confidently in "Revelator" that she at first turned down the umbrella is false. Adrien opened it for himself because he was the one standing in the rain for a bit while explaining his perspective:

I sure don't see any umbrellas being turned down here, Marinette. So what exactly are you remembering? Just saying.

From this point onwards, the Adrinette interview is accurate again because 1) it's about the emotional core of it, and 2) well, Adrien is then talking the most because it's about him and Marinette is mostly just adding to it. So, yeah...

Look, I don't wanna say that this is some deep betrayal of love and proof that Marinette's love for Adrien isnt real. Of course not. And again, there is still the chance that the line in question is right in the French original (though, I do gotta say, I doubt it because that would change the natural flow of the conversation)

I just find it interesting that the thing about THE Umbrella scene that Marinette gets wrong is the UMBRELLA itself and how and when it was extended to her.

Cause, well... This is not a documentary. Marinette is not a real life person who can mix some things up without it meaning anything. She's the main character and the main narrative tool of the story.

This is the moment SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH ADRIEN. Pretty much 80% of what she does in this show goes back to this moment. In story-telling practice, yes, her being the one who recalls that moment incorrectly should mean something.

Bad faith reading: it's a major indicator that Marinette is actually not as invested in Adrien and their relationship anymore as she was once upon a time. Her needs and desires have changed and that's causing problems now.

Good faith reading (and I genuinely mean good faith reading. Fucking BEST faith reading, in my opinion):

The details that Marinette gets wrong about the Umbrella scene actually correspond with the ending of "Strike Back" where Marinette's lightning moment happened with Chat Noir:

Cause if you combine Marinette's memories of the Umbrella scene with the Strike Back scene, then, yes, Marinette WOULD remember standing way longer in the RAIN before Adrien eventually came to her:

Not because that's how it factually happened in "Origins", but because she was alone in the rain for a solid bit before Chat Noir arrived in "Strike Back".

But the most important thing is that, if you combine the two lightning scenes, this objectively incorrect line actually checks out again:

Because the moment Marinette fell in love with Chat Noir was about him having extended his hand several times but her having pushed him away and held at arms length:

Marinette in the Umbrella scene didnt turn down Adrien's umbrella. Not only because that simply didnt happen, but also because Adrien only had the opportunity to offer it ONCE which she then immediately took. Chat Noir, on the other hand (is that a pun?), did offer the gesture she then fell in love with more than once, which she initially turned down, but eventually accepted.

So, again, worst faith reading: we were supposed to pick up on Marinette remembering the iconic Umbrella scene incorrectly which is supposed to subtly tell us that life has changed Marinette's feelings for Adrien for the worse because she's simply not the girl she was a year ago and the love she once wanted doesnt fit her needs anymore, so it's fading and getting drowned out.

Best faith reading: It's a subtle hint that the love she once wanted doesnt really fit her needs anymore, but the one that does more and more now is Chat Noir who, as we all know, is Adrien Agreste.

Though, no matter which one it is, one truth remains: Marinette remembered the UMBRELLA SCENE wrong and that means something.

[gxlds-doodles]

the most happily married-but-not-married evil couple you've ever seen and their weird little dogboy son

[belowthesurface]

more of this au (miraculous transformations make a trans holder their preferred gender even if they dont know yet, adrien and felix are transfem)

Bonus

[monpetitchattriste]

For personal reasons

[ijustliketoreadstuff]

“And that’s how Ladybugs power brought back all the people in the guardians temple, even after 200 years ago.”

“You mean like how she brings back to life all the people Gabriel killed when his villains and senti’s destroy the buildings they’re in?” - 7year old

[purplecatghostposts]

Ladybug/Pegabug in Strike Back 🤝 Pegasus in Miracle Queen

Teleporting Sentis into the sun

[familyagrestefanblog]

I think I'm soon gonna upload an explanation for why I say that in my opinion Marinette in the original french version of the season 4 finale obviously referred to ALYA having "abandoned her" when she said this:

Cause in my opinion the season 4 finale makes that more than obvious and it's wild to me that people claim she's referring to Fu as if that isn't some wildly out of pocket victim-blaming that has barely anything to do with what happened on-screen.

And no, this is not me salting on Alya. I'm mostly on Alya's side here. And I still wouldn't even call this Marinette salt either because all I'm doing is not blatantly ignoring what's on-screen in their conversation where Alya renounces the Fox miraculous:

Like, it's THERE. Marinette feels betrayed by Alya leaving 'despite' Marinette having voiced her forgiveness. It's on-screen, I don't have to ignore that just because yall rather wanna put it on Fu so you don't have to acknowledge that Marinette has actual flaws that are ugly and shouldn't be swept under the rug.

So yeah, I'll upload an analysis post on that soon. I brought it up here and there and I want to give the proper explanation for why.

[nemaliwrites]

what we want / what we need

[official-vampire-business]

have some frame redraws in these trying times (mr pigeon & strike back)

[trashart00]

Tried to make one of those hidden wallpapers

[karlrose]

He knows that his decision to have Felix face his father for him led to Ladybug giving him a miraculous, thinking he was Adrien. He knows that having this miraculous is what allowed him to gain access to the other miraculous. Ladybug, His Lady, had a panic attack in his room and a complete emotional breakdown on his bathroom floor while he listened from the other side of the door. Don't try to tell me he's not still carrying that with him.

[pendwelling]

🍓🌕

(A precious existence who cannot be mine.)

[chronicallylatetotheparty]

Changed my mind actually. Strike Back sucks.

…. *SIGH*

Unpopular Opinion time.

I think my problem with Strike Back can be summarized in two words: Kuro Neko.

Adrien prioritizing other people’s needs over his own isn’t new. And Kuro Neko not allowing Adrien to be angry also isn’t new. The episode’s ending was tolerable because there was still the chance that Adrien would be allowed to be upset in later episodes.

Strike Back makes that nearly impossible with how it sets up season five.

Adrien prioritizing Ladybug over his own welfare isn’t a good thing. It’s him projecting his relationship with Gabriel onto his other relationships. Like he’s done all season.

Strike Back isn’t bad. But if they wanted to end it like this then Kuro Neko needed to be resolved differently.

I’m just… sad that Adrien wasn’t allowed to prioritize himself.

[bellzsad]

i like to associate this miraculous movie scene..

with this one.

[tricieslune]

Strike Back. Season 4.

The emotional turmoil this ep left me in omg. Can't believe this episode aired 2 years ago. I remember waking up early just to watch this.

Also let's ignore the small Eiffel Tower, im not really good at backgrounds, ty 🌷

EDIT : I FORGOT TO COLOR THOSE WINDOWS OMG. nvm.

[areum---15]

Somehow watching strikeback again and wondering if well ever get that ladynoir back just made me ugly cry at 4 am and it woke up my grandma-

I'm still crying bcz I'm a weak soul