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[gingersnaptaff]

Nest of Deheubarth and Gwenllian ferch Gruffudd ap Cynan

Lemme talk about two fabulous Welsh women who deserve to be yelled about more because they occupy fascinating roles in Welsh history and also they were SISTERS-IN-LAW. If they'd met I do think they would have a very Morgan Le Fay and Guinevere relationship (without the casual murder? Hmm.)

Anyways, Nest of Deheubarth (Also known as Nesta, or Annest, was the 'Helen of Wales,' which, seriously, we gotta stop appellating Helen of Troy to women whose beauty starts wars. It is a handy metric, but, like, neither were THEIR FAULT.) daughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr - yes, as in the Tudors. They have links to them through Rhys' son, Gruffudd - and Gwladys ferch Rhiwallon ap Cynfyn of Powys. (Said it before will say it again intermarriage between Gwynedd, Deheubarth, and Powys is super common.)

(This is Nest with Henry II. Note how they both have crowns on in bed. Like, I know it's to telegraph they're royal but like imagine them kissing. *clang* sorry, my crown keeps slipping off my head *clang* sŵs.)

Anyways, born in about 1085 (give or take) Nest was Princess of Deheubarth. Normally, this would entail being married to another Welsh royal family - and possibly your cousin, yeesh - but, sadly (or happily depending on your view) this was not to be the case for Nest.

Her father, Rhys, was King of Deheubarth until 1093. Deheubarth had largely been left untouched by the Normans thanks to a peacy treaty brokered by Rhys and thr King of England William Rufus but, sadly, Henry I soon put a stop to that after his brother, William Rufus' death. (For those wondering he got shot in an arrow in the New Forest. Some say Henry did it so he could assume the throne)

Rhys perished in battle at Breacon against Bernard de Neufmarche's forces, with him being beheaded at Penrhys in Rhondda Cynon Taf (Penrhys literally means Rhys' head.) Brut Y Tywysogion records: 'Rhys ap Tewdwr, king of Deheubarth, was slain by the Frenchmen who were inhabiting Brycheiniog, and with him fell the kingdom of the Britons' His death allowed the Normans to take Deheubarth unopposed and they wouldn't even begin to break their yoke until Gwenllian.

Anyways, Nest, her mother, her half-brothers, and her sisters were captured by the Normans once they'd murdered Rhys and were sent to either prison or the Anglo-Norman court to live as hostages to prevent any further rebellions. Meanwhile, Nest's younger brother, Gruffydd, was spirited away to Ireland (more about him later!).

But even there Nest wouldn't exactly be allowed to fly under the radar. She grew into a beauty - don't all captured foreign historical women, honestly? Like, grim - and caught the eye of Henry I, becoming his mistress, bearing him a son -- also called Henry* as it goes. See, having the same name as your dad is just a Welsh trait, ngl.

Soon after, in around about 1102 but possibly later, and once Henry I had dealt with some rebellions from his subjects (namely Robert de Bellême) he married Nest off to Gerald FitzWalter who was the constable of Pembroke Castle, purely cuz he sided with him. Nest's feelings are not recorded in history, but I'd imagine she was both delighted to be going home to Wales and distraught that she was married to a Norman lord who'd had a hand in subjugating her country.

Either way, with her marriage to Gerald she was both seen as a Norman - as were her sons, collectively known as the Geraldines, famous for subjugating Ireland, and nephew, Gerald of Wales - and as a figurehead for Welsh resistance.

And it's this that gives her the claim for being the Helen of Wales. Now, various reports of how shit went down are given but the facts are thus: in either 1106 or 1109 her cousin, Owain ap Cadwgan, Prince of Powys, kidnapped Nest and her sons. Gerald escaped either by escaping down the latrine (smelly toilet pit) or fighting his way out. Some say this was during an Eisteddfod given by Owain's dad, some say this was at Cilgerran Castle, a Norman castle that Gerald had built. Idk. Either way, she was once again, a hostage. Kari L. Maude says Owain was 'overcome by her [Nest's] charm,' but, equally, he could've been making a point of raiding the castle to spite a Norman and carrying off his cousin to try and force the Welsh to rebel. 'What is clear,' Maund further writes, 'Is that Owain was engaged on a consistent campaign against the Norman colonies in Wales.'

(OR, Nest had engineered the whole affair deliberately cuz she and Owain were lovers. There is talk that Owain was gonna be betrothed to Nest before everything that occurred but that is spurious speculation so idk. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.)

ANYWAYS. The earliest account of this shenaniganery we have is by Caradoc of Llancarfan which relates that: 'At the instigation of the Devil, he [Owain] was moved by passion and love for the woman, and with a small company with him...he made for the castle by night.' Once he'd done this he took Nest and her kids to a hunting lodge by the Eglwyseg Rocks north of Llangollen, presumably to live in what he thought was relative peace.

Hoo boi, he was WRONG. The abduction of Nest, done with her consent or not, aroused the wrath of both the Normans (for obvious reasons those HEIRS ARE NORMAN-BLOODED GIVE THE SONS BACK) and the Welsh (I guess because this was seen as a Welshman abducting a Princess of Deheubarth? Unsure.) Either way, the Normans bribed Owain's Welsh enemies to attack him which they did. (Pls remember that the Powysians hated Deheubarthians and Gwyddelians hated them both ect, etc.)

Owain's dad throughout all of this desperately tried to persuade his son to give Nest back ('Pls, pls, pls, Owain, your himbo arse has gotten us into SO MUCH SHIT!' I can imagine him saying. This does, however, ignore the fact that Cadwgan himself was sanctioning his son's raids.) With Owain just brushing him off. Nest, once again, saves a man's life and entreats Owain: 'If you would have me stay with you and be faithful to you, then send my children home to their father.'

Owain did so, but before long, both he and his dad were then obliged to seek safety in Ireland lest further attacks were made on them. Nest was also returned to her husband. Whether willingly or not idk but yeah.

Now, by this time (1112), her brother Gruffudd had returned from his sojourn in Ireland and was trying to drum up support to get Deheubarth back under his rule, particularly with the aid of the King of Gwynedd, Gruffudd ap Cynan, who would ultimately become Gruffydd's father-in-law when Gruffydd married his daughter, Gwenllian 🥳🥳🥳. It's interesting to imagine that Nest was giving her brother a hand in this but we have no textual support to say so. Tbf, perhaps she did and she was just so good at doing it that it's just remained undetected for hundreds of years. 🤷🏻‍♀️

War broke out between Gruffydd and the Normans. Gruffydd, expecting to have his inheritance given to him and no liking to hear the word 'NO' yelled at him Henry I with a fuckin megaphone, fuckin burned Carmarthen and then destroyed Arberth in 1115, alongside 'members of the younger nobility'. (As he should, in all honesty.)

Owain ap Cadwgan who had, by this time, tootled back from Ireland, been PARDONED BY THE KING (Henry I, that is.), and became prince of Powys after his dad was ASSASSINATED (Assassin's Creed: Powys edition when?) Obliged by Henry I to rendezvous with a Norman force to proceed against Gruffydd, Owain found himself meeting up with Nest's husband, Gerald.

( Sjdjxjxjddkxj Could not make that up. Sounds like a Hollyoaks episode.)

Gerald, wanting to fuckin Murk Owain for what he did to his kids and wife, proceeded to Murk Owain. I do honestly feel like Gerald also thought 'If he kills my bro-in-law my wife will fuckin KILL ME.' so I respect this for being In Fear of his wife.

Gerald himself died in 1135, yet Nest delightfully, was still going. She married Robert FitzStephen, having another kid to the five she'd already had with Gerald, including the mother of my arch-nemesis Gerald of Wales, Angharad.

It isn't known when she died but it's estimated that it was about 1135/1136, thus allowing her to see the start of her brother and sister-in-law's rebellion that would eventually put the land that the Normans had so cruelly taken from the back into the hands of their family.

A note:

*Henry would later be killed in Ynys Môn during a battle against Nest's brother-in-law Owain Gwynedd, coincidently led by Owain's son - and my fuckin pookie - Hywel ab Owain Gwynedd. Apparently, again according to the Brut, Henry died 'by a shower of lances.'

Up next: Gwenllian!!!!!!!

Sadly we have no drawings of Gwenllian, but that's okay cuz artists are more than up to the challenge. Also, idk why but the fact that she has red hair is generally accepted even though we don't know how she looked. I guess it's because bravery is telegraphed as red, or at least fieryness which, ngl, she defo was.

Born in about 1097, Gwenllian was the daughter of the King of Gwynedd, Gruffudd ap Cynan, and his wife, Angharad ferch Owain.

Gwynedd, at this time, was perhaps the most stable of the Welsh kingdoms, although Gruffudd ap Cynan HAD had to battle like fuck to free Gwynedd from the Normans before he could even sit on the throne. (He got thrown in Chester for a time and had to be rescued by a very tall man called Cynwrig. Will do a post on him because he's FUN) so rebellion is very much in Gwenllian's blood. We don't know much about her childhood although we can assume it was happy and filled with the various activities of a Welsh Princess.

Still, that would soon shift.

Gwenllian, at around about thirteen /fourteen or so (remember girls became women when they reached 14 under Welsh law), soon became involved with Gruffydd ap Rhys after her father hosted him when Gruffydd was hoping to summon up aid for his Getting Rid of the Normans scheme.

Unfortunately for Gruffydd - who I will now call Griff so as not to confuse with Gruffudd ap Cynan - this place at the Gwyddelian court became tenuous. Gruffudd ap Cynan, unwilling to further inflame tensions with the Normans after he'd just recovered Ynys Môn (Anglesey) from them and now ruled kinda peacefully, elected to hand Griff over to them. Somehow - probably through Gruffudd ap Cynan's nobles - news of this rescued Griff and he once again left for Deheubarth.

Only he wouldn't travel alone.

Gwenllian, unwilling to let the man she loved slip away, eloped with him and became his wife. They soon became 'the Robin Hood's of Wales' as Philip Warner writes and set about killing the Normans. Griff, emboldened by his and his wife's success hastened to meet with his father-in-law, Gruffudd ap Cynan, in an effort to get troops.

So, Gwenllian was left to helm her husband's forces by herself. To be fair to her SHE DID. AND honestly, this is why she's compared to 'Buddug' or Bouddica. Normans led raids a just as she and Griff had done against them- and she was compelled to rise an army for Deheubarth's defense.

The Great Revolt of 1136, as it was known, was to be Gwenllian's last conflict for she and two of her sons, Maredudd and Maelwgyn were beheaded by the Normans after their forces were routed at Cydweli Castle. Yet Gwenllian would not be forgotten. Her youngest son, the Lord Rhys, would become Prince of Deheubarth and recover much of the territory that had once been their family's. And Nest? Well, Griff had sent time in her and Gerald's castles as he went about letting how to get Dejeubarth back. It's tempting to think that she and Gwenllian met.

Also, Dr Andrew Breeze HAS argued that Gwenllian is the author of the Mabinogi because much of the action takes place in Gwynedd and Deheubarth where Gwenllian was based. Might it have been a tract to inspire people to rebellion? Or for women to know their worth? It's tempting but we'll never know. We can only guess. All we can say is 'Dial Achos Gwenllian!'

(That's Revenge for Gwenllian btw. Long may she reign, as it were.)

[official-wales]

its mabinogion teusday. excellent bedtime stories. go read them

for @kestrel-wylde.

[traskodjur]

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[goffiks]

a very condensed list of all the tabs i have open in firefox, oldest to newest

archive.org vintage software collection, like ten pages on embroidery, bunch of pg wodehouse pages, bunch of madameulalie pages on different wodehouse stuff, article about how victorian servants were expected to behave, raffles (e w hornung), shakespeare, elegy written in a country churchyard thomas gray, archive.org stuff including old étude books and bbc radio shows, page about corsetting, wikipedia page on tyneside accent, latin proverbs, mytholeg gymreig wikipedia page, doctor who books, embroidery, fallen london, podcast?, manga, anime, fayde disco elysium text viewer, cross stitch, lotsss of clothes, local theatre, lots of pens and stationery, some kickstarter about maritime music?, wikipedia on ingressive sound, sheet music, disco elysium, fallen london again?, sewing, japanese etiquette, manga, book, podcast, wordle, embroidery tutorial, old embroidery books, manga, game i want to play, semantle, durarara ln translations, movie i want to watch, fanfiction, lost media wiki page on "leader dog", story of seasons wiki, wikipedia page on matelotage, con o'neill's imdb, wikipedia on west country english, fanfiction, te aka māori dictionary

[kyquizix-king]

Ssssssssshhhhhh this totally isn’t spoilers for MythoLeg

[gorwelowen]

Norman Davies, 'The Isles' (p.34).

[crynwr-drwg]

I apologise if I'm way off for assuming you'd know about this but

what's the origin of the whole "Arthur is gonna come back at the darkest hour and fuck shit up" thing? I went Googling to try and find the original/earliest version of the prophecy (in the hope that it's in Latin haha) but I couldn't find anything that matched my impression of the modern interpretation anywhere

is there a definitive source/sources or is it more of a folk legend that formed over hundreds of years?

or is the popular culture interpretation just way off, cus that wouldn't surprise me, like with Greek myths etc.

I enjoy questions like these, so don't worry! I wouldn't call myself an expert, but I have read into this a good bit as a personal thing.

Firstly, this comes Y Mab Darogan/ Y Gŵr Darogan/ Y Daroganwr, which is mostly what you speak of, a "destined" Son/Figure who "reclaims" Britain/Prydain for the Celts. While now a days people think of King Arthur (and I think it was originally attributed to being him, in Armes Prydein Vawr by the Bard Taliesin(?)) THOUGH this title has been applied and given to multiple other figures since then, Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Llywelyn ap Gruffydd, and I believe Henry the seventh? In wales, However, the actual most famous one would undoubtedly be Owain Glyndŵr, who everyone who was born in Wales should (as in i'd be surprised if they didn't) know about.

Sorry for the ramble, moving on the real part of the question, what's the origin? Well, it could be Armes Prydein, but Arthur doens't actually appear in this early book, or apparently any others. His association with it is, assumedly, based off Historia Brittonum as he fought the Saxons, according to it. The earliest I can find right now in relation to King Arthur specifically coming back at all is from the 12th century, or claims of this sicne I can't find a copy of the book online right now. It's first mentioned at all by William of Malmesbury in 1125 and then Hériman of Tournai in De miraculis sanctae Mariae Laudunensis.

Besides that, there was William of Newburgh (1136–1198) who said, "most of the Britons are thought to be so dull that even now they are said to be awaiting the coming of Arthur." 1 2

Hope that answers the question well enough. If not, let me know and I'll try again haha.

[gingersnaptaff]

I'VE BEEN LOWKEY LOST IN A SEA OF GRAD ASSIGNMENTS AND LIFE-CENTRIC SHENANIGANS BUT I'VE SURFACED AGAIN SO HI!! HELLO!! I'VE MISSED YOU TOO!! SO MUCH!!

I. love. your rendition of Llacheu, by the way. Mine is a special hell, because I cherish Kei—he deserves so so much, and the world if at all possible—but also Exiled from Camelot's (otherwise CHOICE book, lots of goof Kei content) rendition of Loholt made me want to eat my whole fist or perhaps fling myself from a window. And like. That's about it for modern Llacheu/Loholt (that I can think of off the top of my head). He's the okapi of contemporary arthuriana. And like, you're so gifted already, so to know you've included him?? even just a little bit?? And he's dYLan's son?? ah!!! I'm so excited.

anyway anyway hmmmmm what to ask what to ask. weLL-! if the offer to ask anything about arthuriana is on the table, then how about asking how one of the genre's rising prodigies <-[ u ] is doing on this fine day?

– 🧡

Hugging you as we speak, 🧡!!! Hope the life-centric shenanigans are okay as are all the grad assignments!!!!!!! Oh, I know what u mean in regards to Loholt's inclusion in EiC cuz it's like... hum. That's a choice. Honestly though EXCELLENT Kei content and THAT IS WHAT MATTERS!

Ahhh I'm so, so, so glad you a) love Llacheu and b) are excited to meet him!!!! As for him being Dylan's son, I was like a) YES and b) like... Gwyn's still trying to make sense of Arthur so she wouldn't necessarily be like 'yes this is a guy I wanna have sexy times with.)

Oh, I don't know about being one of the genre's rising prodigies (that's so kind of you to say but like I am just tootling about but a nerd). But I am Doing Okay, and I hope you are too despite the assignments and things. I hope u have a lovely/relaxing Christmas, 🧡! I'm so glad whenever I get you in my inbox!!! :D