Significant Jother Prelims!
The prelims for Jacket 4 will come in two waves after the winner’s bonus poll ends on Sunday, so get your votes in there.
First, there will be the prelims to decide between love interests for Johns/Jacks/Variants who had multiple submitted. There are eight of those matches, and they will be released throughout the day on Monday, July 10.
Then, there will be the prelims to decide which single nomination significant jothers will make the bracket. If a nomination was submitted multiple times as the only love interest, they are already in. There are 11 polls of four significant jothers, and the winner of each will make the bracket. Prelims were seeded by submission order, and those polls will be released throughout the day on Wednesday, July 12.
Match-ups below the cut!
Monday Match-ups: Who shall win the jand?
Prelim #1: Martin Blackwood (11) vs Georgie Barker (1) for Jonathan “Jon” Sims (The Magnus Archives)
Prelim #2: Jason Mendoza (5) vs Derek (1) for Janet (The Good Place)
Prelim #3: Mercymorn (2) vs Alecto (1) vs Augustine (1) vs Mercymorn + Augustine (0 but throuple rights) for John Gaius (The Locked Tomb)
Prelim #4: Zatanna Zatara (2) vs King Shark (2) for John Constantine (DC)
Prelim #5: Nisha Kadam (2) vs Moxxi (1) for Handsome Jack (Borderlands)
Prelim #6: Brad Majors (2) vs Frank-N-Furter (1) for Janet Weiss (Rocky Horror Picture Show)
Prelim #7: Shayera Hol (1) vs Mari McCabe (1) for John Stewart (DC)
Prelim #8: Rafael Solano (1) vs Michael Cordero (1) for Jane Villanueva (Jane the Virgin)
Wednesday Match-ups: I don’t have a funny name
Prelim A: Phryne Fisher for Jack Robinson (Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries) vs Kitty for Johnny Thirteen (Danny Phantom) vs Marguerite Baker for Jack Baker (Resident Evil) vs James “Jamey” Emerson Fletcher for Mary “Jacky” “Bloody Jack” Faber (Bloody Jack)
Prelim B: Naomi Herne for Evan Lukas (The Magnus Archives) vs Pete Tyler for Jackie Tyler (Doctor Who) vs Agnes Montague for Jack Barnabas (The Magnus Archives) vs Eric Bittle for Jack Zimmermann (Check, Please!)
Prelim C: Anna Bates for John Bates (Downton Abbey) vs Rose DeWitt for Jack Dawson (Titanic) vs Wendy Torrance for Jack Torrance (The Shining) vs Samatha Carter for Jack O’Neill (Stargate SG-1)
Prelim D: Joan of Arc for JFK (Clone High) vs JFK for Joan of Arc (Clone High) vs Elvira for Don Juan (Moliere) vs Pocahontas for John Smith (Pocahontas)
Prelim E: Penta Roujeat for Jack Wright (Namesake) vs Jethro Bodine for Jane Hathaway (Beverly Hillbillies) vs George Jetson for Jane Jetson (The Jetsons) vs Peter Parker for Mary-Jane Watson Parker (Marvel)
Prelim F: Thor for Jane Foster (Marvel) vs David Read for Jane Read (Arthur) vs Marla Singer for Jack/The Narrator (Fight Club) vs Sophie Aubrey for Jack Aubrey (Master and Commander)
Prelim G: Jay Nakamura for Jon Kent (DC) vs Satinder Hall for Ivo Keys (Shaderunners) vs Edward Rochester for Jane Eyre (Jane Eyre) vs Co Bao for John Rambo (Rambo)
Prelim H: Rosemary for Jack/Raider (Metal Gear Solid) vs Vriska Sekret for John Egbert (Homestuck) vs Maddie Fenton for Jack Fenton (Danny Phantom) vs Minnina for Jonathan Ratker (Dracula Starring Mickey Mouse)
Prelim I: Clary Fairchild for Jonathan Christopher “Jace” Herondale (The Mortal Instruments) vs Marisol Garza for Jonathan “Jon” Cartwright (The Shadowhunter Chronicles) vs Jo Lupo for Zane Donovan (Eureka) vs Robert Martin for Janet van de Graff (The Drowsy Chaperone)
Prelim J: Rebecca St. Claire for Jack Secord (Warehouse 13) vs David for Giovanni (Giovanni’s Room) vs Lucy Moderatz for Jack Pullman (While You Were Sleeping) vs Petra Solano for Jane “JR” Ramos (Jane the Virgin)
Prelim K: Scott Summers for Jean Gray (Marvel) vs Hessa for John the Baptist (The Wife of John the Baptist) vs Helen Wick for John Wick (John Wick) vs Patrick Bateman for Jean (American Psycho: The Musical)
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You know, sometimes i accidentally type “nunjago” instead of ninjago.
And now i can’t get the idea of the ninja dressed as nunjas out of my head.
Imagine, they have an undercover mission, Nya doesn’t want to/can’t go, so the og four have to dress up as nuns.
Lloyd can’t do it because he has trauma. Not any religion specific trauma or anything related to nuns or smth. He just said “would you rlly make a traumatised young boy go through pretending to be something they are not??? When will i be able to act like myself???? WHEN???”
And then he pulls up with this photo and says it looks like Jay.
Yes this was actually inspired off of that nun in rise of gru she was so hilariously weird.
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you should check this journal article out:
Graf, F. “Women, War, and Warlike Divinities.” Zeitschrift Für Papyrologie Und Epigraphik, vol. 55, 1984, pp. 245–54. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/20184039. Accessed 26 June 2024.
Thanks for the recommendation! It was an enjoyable and interesting read!
I'm not sure if you were using this article to argue a certain perspective or interpretation of myth or if you thought it was relevant to my post about pop mythology but I'm gonna use this to elaborate on a few points I've been making about the gods. My disclaimer is that I am not a historian or a history major or a classicist; I have fairly limited formal education in the Classics and I am, at best, an amateur. This is my opinion but if someone has additional context or if I'm wrong about something, please let me know.
Aphrodite Areia:
*will probs address Ares and his associations with women in a separate post*
Although that one post I made was lacking in nuance (bc I was ranting), I have gone into further detail in other places; I acknowledge that Aphrodite as a goddess has associations with war, among other things like politics, sailors, marriage, and city defence. I'm not denying that the αρεια epithet exists or that there were not statues of armed Aphrodite. She was absolutely Αφροδιτη 'ωπλισμενη and νικηφορος and εγχειος.
I'm also aware that she was likely an import or at least syncretized with near Eastern goddesses like the Phoenician Aštarte or Babylonian Ishtar, something Graf himself mentions in his article. Interestingly, Aphrodite is not unique in her near Eastern influences though. Graf also writes that "... the old statue of Apollo at Amyclae with its spear derives from the iconography of the Oriental Warrior" (Graf, 1985, p. 251). Does this make Apollo, as he existed to and was worshipped by the Greeks, a war god? I would argue that it makes him warlike, just as Aphrodite can be warLIKE, but they aren't principally gods of war. Or, for example, Zeus was attributed the male equivalent title αρειος, but he's not considered a war god. Just because a god has a certain epithet or is depicted with certain attributes does not mean that they were worshipped as the presiding authority over that particular thing or experience.
Moreover, αρεια as a reference to the statue of armed Aphrodite that existed in Sparta is further robbed of its uniqueness, and thus its ability to set Aphrodite up as a proper goddess of war by the extreme militarization of Spartan society. Plutarch, for example, writes about the Spartans that "They worship Aphrodite in her full armour, and the statues of all the gods, both female and male, they make with spear in hand to indicate that all the gods have the valour which war demands". So all gods have warlike attributes in Sparta which tracks for a society steeped in a warrior culture. Aphrodite, then, is not a distinct war goddess in Sparta, rather that all gods are more warlike including her.
In Corinth, she was the tutelary deity of the city, its divine guardian and patron. This brings with it some association with war and politics. Graf even mentions that she was depicted as armed in at least one instance in Corinth, where once again Middle Eastern influences are evident (Graf, p. 251). Moreover, as all tutelary deities, the people under her protection prayed to her for the defence of the city. However, once again, her military qualities in this regard aren't unique to her. Tutelary deities of other cities (popularly Apollo and Athena but we also see Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, and others) would also haven been honoured for the protection of the city and its people as well as success in battle.
My ultimate point is not to deny Aphrodite's warlike attributes. There absolutely are instances, statues, or places where she is referred to as armed and warlike (such as in Sparta, Cyprus, Corinth, etc.) but she isn't principally a goddess of war. She is principally the goddess of love, beauty, sex, fertility, etc. These are attributes that are universal to her in place and time. However, a lot of people want to make her a goddess of war first and a goddess of all these other things second. This takes away from the fact that there are existing goddesses who are principally associated with war, such as Athena.
I've also usually heard people using this to somehow make Aphrodite seem "cooler" or more "interesting" which betrays a (probably unconscious) dimension of sexism to the entire argument as it is presented in pop myth takes. If you cannot respect a goddess/woman/character that is presented with traditionally feminine qualities-- and love and beauty absolutely are seen as feminine in our society-- then you value traditional masculinity more than traditional femininity. If the only way you can make someone cooler/more interesting is by giving them traditionally male qualities, such as martial prowess, chances are you see things associated with femininity as inferior.
And this is primarily why the whole Aphrodite Areia thing irritates me so much. People want to hold her up as a goddess of war while ignoring all the other things that she was far more commonly worshipped for by ancient peoples (which is what pop myth does). Sure, she can be warlike in certain circumstances, but she's still predominantly a goddess of sexual union.
At the end of the day, though, stories exist to be told and retold. Change is natural and expected in that process. Still doesn't mean everyone has to agree on everything.
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