#sab discourse

[greensaplinggrace]

yeah you know what? I'm going to get into this. "don't humanize villains"/"this abuser is a monster" is some of the worst character discourse in fandom. abusers are not other. abusers are not always easy to recognize. othering someone who's done terrible things from humanity is an arrogant, poisonous idea.

that is a person who is doing those things, and you want so badly to be unable to fall into such patterns of harm and abuse that you will force that person into another category of species altogether, and in so doing you spare yourself from introspection and you give yourself a pretty little pedestal to stand on and you shame everybody who fell for a red flag that is surely so easy to recognize. and you give into prejudice you assign moral values to attributes outside of yourself and you think you are so above doing harm that you could never act in such a way, even as it is a capability within all of us to do so.

get off your self righteous high horse for a moment and use your fucking brain. I'm sick of people in fandom claiming to be the most moral members that are the "only people willing to discuss this" and then every statement out of their mouth is harmful and pervasive word vomit.

[faestunna]

Okay wait can I add to the grace and remmick discussion:

My take on the whole line was the timing of it. They had literally just threatened to go take her daughter and now this random white demon is on her doorstep with her dead husband sexually harassing her. I feel like that also adds to the stakes. That’s one of the main reasons I could NEVER hate grace. This man is using her husband’s memories to threaten her daughter and sexualize her. If this is remmick approach to her you can only imagine what grace was thinking they would do to her daughter.

Grace girl they could never make me hate you

exactly!! by threatening her daughter, grace had every reason to believe that remmick would go to the town and kill everyone. what she did was maybe a dick move, but people who say she could’ve just gone outside clearly did not understand that EVERYONE else in juke joint was stopping her from doing so. nobody else had their child threatened like she did, so i don’t wanna see anybodyyyy talking like they’ve been in her shoes.

and i’ve seen a lot of people say grace didn’t understand community bc she turned her back on the people inside the juke. baby she was trying to save her daughter and the whole town, if that’s not caring about community idk what is!!

[poorlythoughtoutdescisions]

crawling back to six of crows after visiting the shadow and bone fandom.

ngl the SaB fandom is toxic, and they have good reason, a lot of the characters kinda suck (among other reasons), but will they seriously shut up with the same discourse over and over? we get it, you don't like any of the characters or the plot or anything about the series, SO WHY ARE YOU IN THE FANDOM???

meanwhile SoC is mostly pretty fanart, not a shipping war in sight, and interesting and productive conversations about the series and characters. it's made up of people who enjoy the material.

(not that there aren't some issues, but it's mostly outliers)

fandoms aren't spaces made to hate. they're because you LIKE the source material.

just my thoughts, feel free to disagree, it's just a bit frustrating.

[gojonanami]

prof geto (6) preview 💕🫣✨

[riverhands]

not a jack antonoff stan or jack antonoff hater but a jack antonoff defender. have you considered that when you don’t like a song that he’s produced the artist specifically asked for it to sound like that and it might not be bc he sucks at his job

[osaemu]

i'm sorry but how r u gonna be close mutuals with a pedo and not know.....

[jentlemahae]

not to drag this on but the reactions to the feminist criticism of s*’s album cover are making me feel insane

[mentallydatingahotcelebrity]

No, this is called gaslighting. It’s blatant narcissism—she’s apologizing to someone who she can never possibly apologize to enough for actions that were never his fault. Sasha is a PRODUCT of her negligence. She literally talks about finding “the most powerful Grisha” and sleeping with him just to conceive Aleksander. The Grisha was so insignificant that she didn’t even remember the guy’s name. And she did that not once but TWICE. BUT THEN, after seeing that Sasha possessed her same abilities—instead of helping him understand them and loving him, giving him the childhood she felt she was denied (and wished she had), she blatantly despises their powers and called them a curse, and destructive, and awful. So this hapless BABY who did not wish to be born, who became an innocent, malleable CHILD, was raised into a young man taught to hate himself and what he is and that he’s dangerous and shameful—he and his mother were IN HIDING FOR CENTURIES because SHE was a truly awful person. He was taught only to fear and be afraid and to be hateful—but suddenly she “loved him”??? Telling him their powers were a curse is love, now???

𝕾𝖍𝖆𝖉𝖔𝖜 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝕭𝖔𝖓𝖊 ꜱᴇᴀꜱᴏɴ 2 ʀᴇᴡᴀᴛᴄʜ #160 ↳ 𝟸.𝟶𝟼: 𝚗𝚒 𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚜𝚎𝚜𝚑

[cabeswaterdrowned]

@ my non trc followers… would say I’m sorry for all that but I’m really not, honestly you should just read it and be extremely grateful the show never did happen. That’s what your dashes would look like all the time then…

[greensaplinggrace]

alina starkov i am so sorry that no one understands your character. i'm sorry that you have been reduced to the fandom's morality pony at the sake of your real personality and your depth. i'm sorry that they don't understand that you existed as a person outside of the men in your life, and that your relationship with your trauma was complicated and ugly and understandable. i'm sorry they didn't love you for this anyway.

i'm sorry they don't understand the metaphor of the sunlight in your soul representing your self discovery and growing ability to accept yourself - that every scene where you long so desperately to know yourself and then glow when you finally do is cast in darkness by those who would rather you starve yourself in the name of conformity than eat healthily at the table of self love.

i'm sorry that they didn't love you enough to see how much losing your light hurt you and i'm sorry that they didn't want you to have a happy ending that you truly wanted - one where you could be all of yourself without shame or borders. i'm sorry their love for you was so performative that it stripped you of everything you are, that it left you wanting and shamed and filled with grief. i'm so so sorry.

[sainteda]

is there anything in the world as inefficient and monotonous as darkling discourse

[the-physicality]

it won't be talked about a lot, but courtney vandersloot and nyara sabally saved ny in this game. when the starters had 8 turnovers in the first 8 minutes of the game?

it was 9-23 when they were subbed in. in the 2 minutes and 47 seconds that they played in the first, they helped steady the ship and end the quarter 18-28, holding minnesota to 5 points while they scored 9.

if that doesn't happen, minnesota wins by 20 and suddenly we have ny facing elimination in minnesota on friday.

[jade-curtiss]

O no nvm, no i want to just run after my former crowd and tackle them and be like "mishap in the hegelian or kantic waaaaaaay" and they argue forever.

[faestunna]

yall me and @remmicks-salvation are fucking cooking right now

[gemininoel]

I'm not investing too much energy of the asinine discourse of Sab new album cover because the same exact cancel culture bullshit was attempted on Britney Spears when her 2001 Britney era started, Christina Aguilera when she got the Stripped album specially the music video for Dirty. Y'all also did the fucking same to Madonna when her Like a Prayer era started in the the late 80s and also did the same when she got the sex book in the early 90s.

I've seen the same cycle repeating itself over and over again.

This is all so embarrasing, tiring and fucking abysmal.

You stupid moral panic bitches have a deep rooted issue with internalized sexism, purity culture trauma and moral paranoia. Which somehow, y'all jerk off on proyecting on adult women that are expressing their sexuality, freedom and desires in their art.

Till y'all learn to identify the real elephants in the room, when it comes to rape/objetificationwhatever/sex/hypersexuality/male gaze culture, that are NOT said women, you will be doomed to remain this idiotic, weak and lazy for the rest of your sad miserable lifes.

[gojonanami]

y’all really love to get angry about fictional characters and their sexualities

they don’t exist

just let people do what they want