#shiggy sympathizer <3

[inkykeiji]

CLARI WE ALL LOVE TOUYA-NII'S TOMURA!! He's just a misunderstood socially awkward fella :(((

Well, first of all... AA YOURE SO SWEET, YOUR ANSWER MADE ME FLUSHED!! How have you been, Dear? I hope well!

If I may join in on the discussion of the "maybe Tomura from Touya-nii" series, I feel like if theyre all going to be on the same universe *after* that hypothetical fic, there'd be some conflict between Touya's sister and whoever is Tomura's love interest - specially after how pained reader feels having to delete his message - imagine knowing your boyfriend/guy you like still has a sextape with the person who took his virginity?? So it could be grounds for some angsty interactions between Tomura, Touya's sister and our new Reader (what is this, a crossover episode??)

Anywayss, as a big Tomura simp and dedicated protector of Touya-nii's Tomura, that last ask about this possible new series (or oneshot) made me super excited!

-Yours truly, Shiggy Sympathizer ♡♡♡

AH SHIGGY SYMPATHIZER HELLO WELCOME BACK <333

hehehe i’m so glad to hear from u again!!! AW DID IT HEHEHEHE (*/ω＼*) that makes me all giggly and warm <33

HAAAA i’m,,,, you know,,, haha i’ll be okay

YES ABSOLUTELY OF COURSE U CAN JOIN IN ON THE DISCUSSION!! right, exactly, that’s what i had been thinking as well if it were going to be taking place within the hypothetical fic’s universe, but i had an anon point out that they’d feel like the ‘other woman’ of sorts and wouldn’t feel very nice about it, which is also completely valid and totally understandable.

because in that case, the fic’s main focus would be on tomura getting over his infatuation with touya-nii’s reader, and the new reader playing a big role and helping him in that, which absolutely DOES provide the potential for so so so much yummy angst and hurt and pain, but i can also see why that wouldn’t be appealing, as well. because then, instead of the primary focus being on tomura simply forming a relationship with the new reader, the focus of the narrative is on tomura moving on (and the relationship with his new reader coming in second to that as well as holding up and motivating that main narrative). i hope this makes sense!!!

personally, i like both. i absolutely love writing angst (lmao) and find it a lot of fun, and i have about a billion ideas already buzzing around my skull if i decide to go the angst route, but like i said, i can see why the angst route is also unappealing. so i dunno!!! i was thinking i’d hold a lil vote and let you all decide or just write both shhhhhhhhh hehe <3

yes yes!!! we’ve been talking about it since april, but again i have prior commitments (bmb and the tag you’re it series) that need to be finished first before i start on anything else (seriously this is really beginning to weigh on my mind hahaha). BUT!!!! it’s still something i plan to write in the future, so!! i’ll apologize in advance for the long wait lmao but i, too, am super super excited to finally begin it when i can!!!

thank you for sharing your thoughts with me sweet shiggy sympathizer hehehe i really appreciate it!! <33

[thyandrawrites]

After analyzing the LoV, I really hope that Hawks knows he has had a monstrous chance to have a future in heroism because all the problems with the company that the league has had the Hawks escaped more. a:

1) Keigo was born in an abusive house (like Tenko and Touya) but unlike the villains Keigo was lucky to get a quirk which is extremely effective in many cases (combat, rescue or espionage) but also has it. helped out of misery unlike Dabi and Tomura whose quirks bring them power but also problems (Dabi kills himself with his fire, Shiggy and his desire to destroy everything.)

2) Like Hawks, Twice has a quirk which is effective in combat but can also be effective in rescues but Twice was not born very lucky because unlike Keigo who was noticed by the hpsc, Jin was ignored by society and received no help with his situation, which led him down the path of crime, so Keigo could have ended up like Twice with less luck.

3) Hawks and Toga both have "cravings" (I have no better words) related to their quirks. For Toga who can take on the appearance of people by drinking their blood, she develops an "admiration for blood" and, as Curious said, it's not viewed well in society whereas Hawks' urge to want to fly because he has wings is seen as something beautiful and is acceptable to society.

4) The last parallel I want to make is between Spinner and Hawks.The two are heteromorphs and so normally if Spinner is a victim of racism then Hawks too must be a victim but on the contrary his wings don't bother and Hawks is even part of it Japan's most popular heroes, so what's the difference?

I think this difference is related to the physical and usefulness of this person in society.In terms of physics, I think these 2 sentences describe the problem well:

- "Some people seem to be humans with animal parts (Hawks, Miruko, Tsuyu)"

- "Others seem rather to be animals with human sides in addition (Spinner, Gang Orca, Nezu)"

But I can see coming "but anon, all are related to heroism except Spinner" and this is where the usefulness of this person in society comes into play. Those in the first category have all demonstrated the useful sides of their quirks. Spinner's quirk only gives him one advantage: clinging to walls (maybe stylish but not useful) while Nezu has a superior intelligence to that of a human being, Gang Orca can send ultrasonic waves and his quirk increases a lot of his capacities (strength, speed ...)

So on the one hand Spinner who has no useful skills with his quirk and who is repulsive

On the other hand Hawks who uses his quirk for different things (transport, rescue, espionage) and who is very very very pretty but hey the argument works less since his father is more human than animal but I still wanted to clarify

Finally here I would like you to give me your opinion on this and do not hesitate to make other parallels if you see any and I am sorry to invade your ask box😭😭😭😭😭😭

hey anon! You put out some interesting thoughts. I agree and disagree with them, so I'm gonna share my own.

The similarities and foiling between Hawks' past circumstances and the League's backstory are definitely put there to make the reader reflect on certain issues the series is trying to address. It's not a coincidence how a good portion of the fandom immediately warmed up to the AU scenario of Hawks either

a) straight up sympathizing with the League or

b) understanding more of his own feelings towards his fucked up circumstances thanks to exposure to people with similar backgrounds who ended up becoming villains.

All of that because, well. There isn't a real difference between Keigo and Tenko or Keigo and Touya to begin with. Just like adult Hawks recognizes that there wasn't much of a difference between Keigo and Jin.

See, the thing is (just like you said), in hero society, people are only valued according to the potential usefulness, flashiness and marketability of their superpowers. Here's a brillaint post on this. A bit old now, but still on the nose. I've actually written several metas on this topic myself. it's a pretty extensive theme in bnha, one that has been more or less touched on from the very beginning of the manga. It's Deku's opening line "people aren't born equal". It's Kirishima complaining that his quirk isn't flashy enough to be noticed by the pros scouting during the sport festival past the much more eye-catching powers of his classmates. It's Shinsou being cut out from the heroic curriculum on accounts of a "villainous" power. It's Spinner getting ostracized into becoming a shut-in for having a "weak" power that will never make him equally flashy. It's AFO managing to convince Tenko without any difficulty at all that his decay is a power meant to only cause pain, when a hero like Number 13 has a similarly destructive power that they use for disaster relief, and when a child like Eri managed to use her similarly "cursed" quirk to rewind Mirio into full health.

In this context, Keigo is meant to be a prime example of this mindset of "flashiness and exploitability" milked for every penny they were worth.

Keigo pretty much had the "perfect" superpower. His quirk is insanely versatile. Like. It's basically five different superpowers (flying, telekinesis, inhuman speed, vibration sensor, and an arsenal of detachable blades) all packed into one. By virtue of being so flashy and so easily handy in a combat situation as well as a rescue operation, Adamantine Wings is exactly the kind of power that the HPSC would want to maximize on. Theirs is a capitalistic and elitist society founded on the idolization of those exact "marketable" traits. Keigo was never saved because someone thought he needed help. He was saved so that his powers could be properly exploited by the Commission. They used him, moulded him into their strongest weapon, to strengthen their hold on quirk society, and to more firmly dictate what makes the cut between an "heroic" quirk and a "villainous" one.

But Keigo's backstory is so similar to that of the villains exactly to stress how the supposed "line between heroes and villains" is entirely made up and subject to change based on what's more convenient (to the HPSC).

Had they left him with his mother, there's no question Hawks would've ended up a villain. Maybe not by embracing crime directly, but his impulse to save others would've definitely made him a vigilante at the very least (which is still illegal).

The fact that the Commission chose to extricate him from poverty in order to make him their little soldier could of course be seen as a "privilege". As you pointed out, others didn't have as many options. There's certainly some truth to that. For one, for all of the hints Hori sometimes throws around that Hawks is sensitive to the topic of heteromorphic discrimination (his half-joking half-serious wish to keep Tokoyami close cause they're both birds, his habit of cracking jokes about cannibalism with affected lightheartedness), it's certainly true that he never faced the same hostility and downright rejection that turned Spinner into a hikikomori.

However, I'm hesitant to imply that he "had it easier" than the League because of the marketability of his quirk, and the ease with which he sped through the top ten. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. I think he's meant to sit at the other end of the spectrum from the Lov. If the League represents the powers and the types of self-expression that hero society rejects, Hawks represents the powers and the self-expression that hero society devours. It's a different kind of alienation, but alienation regardless. For all intents and purposes, Hawks wasn't treated as a person in much the same way the Shigaraki, Dabi, Toga, Spinner and Twice weren't treated like a person. Sure, he had a "comfortable" life compared to them, but he was still stripped of his personhood, forced to give up his name and the identity attached to it, forced to suppress his own wants in order to fit the mould and be as easily exploitable as possible.

I think that's why Hawks keeps resisting any sympathy he might feel for the League. He refuses to see any similarities between their circumstances because he wants to cling to the more comforting lie that he was "saved". He wants to see himself as a saviour, someone useful to others, and not a victim, aka someone who is still inconveniencing the people around him by virtue of existing.

And that's the real tragedy of his character, imho. Not the fact that he could've so easily become a villain, but the fact that he doesn't let himself even entertain the possibility, cause in their world, being a villain means having a strong enough sense of self and of dignity to oppose the status quo. To oppose the overpowering system trying to push your existence into silence.

[izukukuzi]

the thing that's getting me about the whole "izuku sucks bc he doesn't care about villains" take is that, with the exception of dabi (who is actively trying to MURDER IZUKUS BEST FRIEND among others), izuku just,,,, doesn't know the villains' tragic backstories? like, he doesn't know the trauma that shiggy or toga or twice or spinner went thru. all he knows is that these ppl are responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS of ppl and MANY heroes. 1/3

2/3. and its not like he's never been sympathetic to villains b4, yk? like, remember with gentle? where he saw that gentle was trying to save la brava and was peacefully turning himself in after losing? and izuku was like "yeah, we had a disagreement, but its fine" instead of "no he was trying to break in so I stopped him" or whatever. ig you could argue thats bc he didn't want the fest to be canceled, but I still hold that he understood what gentle was doing and played along.

3/3. idk it just really irks me that people forget that just bc WE know something, doesn't mean the CHARACTERS know. (and also, that just bc a character has an actually tragic, horrible, and traumatizing backstory doesn't excuse, you know, LITERAL MURDER???) I also just wish ppl would remember that the story isn't over and that we're in the middle of a scene where shit is still happening. like, just be fucking patient and wait for the story to unfold. THEN get mad if it doesnt work for you. jfc

okay but I'm glad you mentioned this cause it made me think about some panels from another recent chapter (and I'm sure someone has probably talked about this before, so I'm sorry if I'm highlighting Old News udndjdjdd)

(I'm on mobile so i have no idea how long this is, so i put the read more JUST TO BE SURE!)

sooooo, something that i really, reaaaally liked about bnha 286 was the moment in the vestige realm. when izuku morphs (transitions? teleports??? whatever) into this other dimension, the first thing he sees is all for one being his Creepy Controlling Self with shigaraki (as shown below)

and, when he sees that shiggy is resisting and fighting back, izuku's immediate response is to try and intervene to help shiggy

of course, as nana points out, the boy can't really do much with his body, but he was ready to give it his all anyway because he saw that shiggy needed help (and it didn't matter that they're on opposing sides. izuku moved with the intention of helping depsite the fact that he and shig were literally just fight each other a second before) and i just.... waaaaaah, this kid, you know?

so i wanted to point this out because, along with the example you given (and I'm sure there's more to be said about this but sudjsjjd), this makes me feel like izuku caring is a given. funneling that ability to sympathize into actually saving villains, though, does become a bit complicated when we consider the points you mentioned (like, having to keep a villain from killing those around them if that's what they're into didndjd; not having the prior knowledge needed to know why they're feeling what they are or what drives them to act as they do; as well as the balance needed to address the villain's needs and the consequences that are sure to follow whatever things they've done wrong).

here i am, getting scatterbrained again sjdndjd but yeah, i agree with you! like, on one hand, i think it absolutely makes sense to be upset that the league and other characters like them were/are neglected when they need(ed) help the most (though i think touya's situation will allow the narrative to begin highlighting how that issue exists and persists within hero society) but... i dunno. it's a balancing act, you know? these issues are very blurry and gray (as opposed to being just clear-cut, black and white, or easy to assess and judge as This or That), so i definitely feel your frustration BUT HOPEFULLY, canon elaborates on it all more so that we can have productive conversations about it in the fandom!!

[todomitoukei]

Do you ever get stupid asks in your ask box?! Because I just got told not to call Shigaraki Shiggy, because I quote ‘he’s a maniac and I feel like your infantilising him’ like what do you do with these silly asks 😂 mind you they did also hint that I can’t sympathise with Dabi if I don’t sympathise with endeavor!

LOL stupid trolls. Please continue calling him Shiggy<3

I usually delete those kinds of asks because if they wanted to understand my point, they can just take a look at my posts. No point arguing with someone that doesn’t even have the guts to show their @ and instead just hides behind anon. 

Not sure what their goal is anyway, trying to convince me to change my feelings about fictional characters? For what?

I agree with that person though, how can you sympathize with a victim but not with their abuser? :/ That’s so weird. (sarcasm)

[the-rawr-ster]

MHA TAG GAME

Share your MHA favorites and least favorites and why. Tag people that you think would want to join in

🌵 Favorite overall character: Shinso Hitoshi because he really is the most under hyped character and was largely discriminated against for his quirk. I really like his attitude and demeanor too. I could write a whole ass book on why I like him.

🌵Least favorite overall character: All Might, I don’t really need to explain this one but I do empathize and sympathize with him considering the fact that nobody is perfect

🌵Favorite side/supporting character: It’s between Aizawa and Shinso. While Aizawa isn’t my favorite staff member and comes close to 2nd last, I admit that he’s meant to be around children. He really does care about his students.

🌵 Favorite 1-A student: Tokoyami Fumikage, this one was hard because I also love Mina but I went with Tokoyami because I can relate to not being really into physical touch and being the silent kid in class while making the same kind’ve remarks he does in my head

🌵Least favorite 1-A student: Mineta (obviously) cause he’s a perv

🌵Favorite 1-B student: Monoma because all he wants is for his class to be at the top. 1-A always gets the most attention and he wants his classmates to experience the same kind’ve praise, obviously he doesn’t want the burden of his classmates loves being in danger.

🌵least favorite 1-B student: Kendo, i don’t really know, she’s a nice character and I don’t hate her, I just like the other students more

🌵Favorite non-hero course student: Shinso Hitoshi

🌵least favorite non-hero course student: Don’t really have one

🌵Favorite UA staff member: Nemura Kayama

🌵least favorite UA staff member: Aizawa and All Might

🌵Favorite Non-UA hero course student: Camie is very much bimbo material and I love it

🌵Least favorite non-UA hero course student: IDRK TBH

🌵Favorite character with a parental role: Inko, she really loves her son and would do anything for him as a parent should. Inko is what kind of parent we NEED

🌵Least favorite character with a parental role: I have 3, Endeavor, Bakugō’s mom, and Overhaul (he’s not a parent but he took on the role of a really shitty one)

🌵 Favorite pro-hero: Hawks (I align more with his ideologies) and I like Kamui Woods too

🌵Least favorite pro-hero: Endeavor (yeah you thought I’d say All Might)

🌵Favorite villain/vigilante: This is between twice, Shiggy, Kurogiri, and Mr.Compress

🌵Lease favorite villain/vigilante: Stain, while I agree that most pro-heroes do it for fame and money, stain seems to kill them indiscriminately and in a sense idolizes All Might.

I know I’ve contradicted myself many times here but yeah anyways

Tagging: @izukus-deku @myherowritings @mypimpademia @mixfi and many other people whose @ I can’t remember

[linkspooky]

Eri and Shigaraki are obviously supposed to parallel one another, but in the sense of "showing what might have been both ways" not in "Eri was saved, so Shigaraki will be too", I think.I can't say anything for certain, obviously, but I feel like everything we've found out makes any salvation for him less likely, not more. I would like for the series to directly address that the two characters have important similarities, though. like enji and bakugou 1/3

I think the parallels between eri and tenko of them exist primarily to demonstrate how much of a difference it can make depending on how people are treated and, on a slightly darker level how the people that heroes protect can potentially become the villains that heroes were protecting them from in the first place. Shiggy is one of those tragic cases where you can totally see that he could have been redeemed if he had been helped sooner, but it’s nearly impossible to imagine a scenario 2/3

where his current self could be redeemed. Shiggy could of possibly been redeemed when he was a child, if someone more morally sound got to him before All for One did. Sure, he would of likely been a traumatized and guilty wreck once he realized exactly what he did but atleast he would of had a chance. In the present he’s not so much someone to be redeemed as he is a serious threat to public safety that needs to be contained. 3/3

Thanks for the ask, anon!  You’re free to disagree with me all you like, I hope you don’t mind if I continue the discussion. I consider this blog to be all about discussion so nobody is truly wrong, all I can do is restate my point of view and hope it’s understandable. 

Shigaraki’s Character Development  and Why it Shows There’s Still a Chance for Him

Shigaraki is an ugly, messy, bad person one who is hard to sympathize with. The entire point of his conflcit is that it’s difficult to imagine him being saved, but the story goes out of its way to show that he is at the same time, a person capable of changing for the better. If he were a lost cause, he would only experience negative development not the positive development he’s been shown. The plot is heading towards Shigaraki being saved not because people should have to sympathize with him, but because Shigaraki has a character arc. He’s not spiraling out of control, he’s growing into becoming his own person outside of the threat to society All for One intended him to be. 

I never once said in my post that Shigaraki deserves redemption, or is going to be redeemed in a straightforward manner. My post is entirely about how moralizing the way one victim of abuse acts, in comparison to the way another victim of abuse acts and deciding which one of them should be saved based on that black and white judgement is wrong. At that point the complexity from both characters is erased to rule that Eri is the “good victim” and Shigaraki is the “bad victim.”

Saying that only Eri deserves comfort or solace from what has been done to her is the same as saying that victims only deserve to be helped if they are acting a certa “acceptable” way. It was also about the complexities of empathizing with someone. Not every case of empathy is going to be beautiful, not every person you’re asked to sympathize with is going to be as straightforward as feeling bad for a crying little girl. Sometimes people don’t cry, sometimes people resist you every step of the way, sometimes people are ugly and hard to confront but that does not make them any less deserving of empathy. 

Shigaraki does not stop being a human at any point. His victim status does not get negated by the fact that he has grown up. Especially since, Shigaraki is still very much underneath All for One’s thumbs and in the middle of his machination. In fact because Shigaraki is still a human who is effected by the environment around him he has been shown

#1 - Shigaraki has a character arc, and is directly tied to the themes of the story

Most importantly, Shigaraki is a character with an arc. The reason I say he is going to be saved isn’t because I like redemption arcs, or I think every villain needs to be redeemed. In fact I hate the term “redemption arc” because it’s dumb, literally what makes a redemption arc good is the same thing that makes any other character arc good, a character facing consequences for their actions and being forced to change. A character getting their teeth repeatedly kicked in until they learn better. 

You have to think of this story in terms of themes, and characters. Shigaraki is the second most important character thematically after the Deku, so he’s not just a tragic case that can disappear after one arc. What exactly would the story be saying if a kid who has basically been abused all of his life and raised as a child soldier gets “put down” before any single person sympathized with him or even gave him a chance? That you only get saved if you’re lucky enough to be saved? That’s super optimistic there. 

Thematically the main conflict of the story is that in a society made up of heroes, there are people who do not get saved. This is how the story starts “In this world people are not created equal”, this is what Shigaraki thinks when he is alone in a crowd of people desperately begging for people to help him, only for people to ignore him, because he looked too ugly, or too dangerous to get involved in. 

I’m not saying Shigaraki deserves to be saved because it’s nice, or because I want him to, by “deserves” I mean this is an idea the story is building up and should be paid off. The theme is a question and the events that happen in story is an answer. 

What exactly do we learn if Shigaraki is just “put down by the plot?” 

That some people don’t get saved? But we already knew that at the start of the story. It is the literal first line in the story. By that logic Deku should never have gotten All Might’s Quirk, because he was unlucky enough to be born without it. The point of stories is that they challenge the status quo, change it, and then resolve it. My Hero Academia is not a cynical story, it’s about using effort to change and overcome the things that are unfair about the world rather than just succumbing to the world’s flaws around you. It’s a story where the system can be overcome, where the heroes are expected to be heroes and do better to make up for the failures of the previous generation. 

At the start of the story Shigaraki was just another villain to take down, if that’s his final fate at the end of the story then there was no point in following him for hundreds of chapters. He could have just been a villain that disappeared after the first arc, and then got replaced by Stain, and then got replaced by Chisaki, and then by Re-Destro. 

The point is the story is choosing to focus on Shigaraki’s growth and development because the author plans to go somewhere with it. Since My Hero Academia is thematically about saving people, and Shigaraki is the most difficult character too save, but also emblamatic of the victims that society creates it makes thematic sense to save him. Your argument that Shigaraki only serves as a bad example of what could have happened to Eri had she not been saved does not work, because Eri is not an important character. She’s introduced in chapter 129, as opposed to Shigaraki who makes an appearance in chapter 13. 

As someone who loves the Overhaul arc, and who adores Eri, at this point Eri is not that much of her own character. She basically exists for two reasons, the relationship she has with three important characters (Eraserhead, Mirio, Deku) and also the plot point that her quirk is a weird macguffin that needs to be studied. Despite being in a highly volatile and violent environment as a child, Eri shows almost no negative signs of her abuse at all (that is getting violent herself, acting out, lashing out) and is basically gets over most of it writing wise by having a fun day at a concert. Once again, I don’t think this is bad, it’s just that Eri isn’t as important to the plot so she’s written the best she can with the limited amount of focus she’s given. 

Eri is entirely there for her relationships to other characters. Therefore, it makes far more sense that Eri is there to serve Shigaraki’s storyline, not the other way around. 

See let’s use star wars. Darth Vader is there to be a negative foil to Luke, to show a jedi who fell to the dark side as Luke’s literal father. The possibility that Luke can fall to the dark side is present in his connection to Darth Vader. However, the reason Darth Vader does not get a full redemption arc in the original trilogy is that Luke is far more important a character being the main character. 

As opposed to Eri who is just a side character, compared to the literal second most plot important character. Shigaraki is connected to the conflict with All for One which is the central conflict of the story, and he was born into it rather than Deku who inherited it from All Might. Shigaraki is connected to the idea that some people are not saved by Hero Society, and are victims who fall through the cracks and then grow up to be villains. Shigaraki is connected to the idea that some people’s quirks are not really able to fit into society if they are actively destructive and dangerous, that some people have more villainous quirks and are therefore stigmatized and not help. Shigaraki is connected to the conflict with Endeavor because Dabi is his right hand man. He was connected to the Stain conflict due to AFO pulling them together. 

Finally, yes there are villains who like Shigaraki could have been saved but are defeated instead and their backstory only exists to make them a tragic character. Chisaki is the biggest example that I can think of, because he’s a heavy character foil to Shigaraki, they were both abandoned as children and picked up by father figures in crimminal syndicates who ultimately saw them as tools. 

However, the difference between Chisaki and Shigaraki lies in the writing. Shigaraki has a character arc, and Chisaki does not. Shigaraki exists in several arcs and persists in the story, and Chisaki disappears after one arc. Which is the point, that what we’ve been shown makes the prospect of Shigaraki’s salvation more likely, because we’ve been shown he’s capable of growing and changing. Shigaraki, just like any character in the plot screws up and then when his screw ups explode in his face he learns and gets better. 

Shigaraki is introduced as a character who cares nothing at all about his allies, is fickle, gives up easily. He is almost exactly what All for One raised him to be, a symbol of fear, who kills for no reason, and seems to only exist to destroy and hurt others. 

All for One’s intentions were to make Shigaraki someone with no positive emotions, someone with no positive qualities, no positive relationships. Someone who is only capable of hating, only lashing out in anger. Hanging onto those negative emotions completely stunted his growth and made him incapable of developing as a person.

When he is first introduced, Shigaraki is not his own person but acting exactly as All for One wants him to be. However, the point of Shigaraki’s failure in not only this arc but the next arc is that Shigaraki is told again and again that his methods do not work. None of his allies want to work with him, he cannot make his plans work because he’s just attacking for the sake of attacking without an objective. He’s also entirely dependent on what All for One gives him, and can’t really accomplish anything on his own, and has to use the fallen king of evil’s vast amount of resources. 

He throws tantrums, he loses out on potential allies, he squanders resources on his petty little emotions. The point is not only does Shigaraki fail again and again, but it’s also something he’s consitently called out on. When he fails, he does not get the results he desires, and nobody coddles him for it. 

Shigaraki is told that if he wastes his allies then he’ll be a failure by Kurogiri. 

Deku tells Shigaraki to his face that Stain is a better viallin then him, and more people believe in Stain, because he doesn’t give up that quickly, because he gives them something to believe in and a reason to fight. 

Shigaraki’s plan to kidnap Bakugo to find sympathizers completely blows up in his face (quite literally as well), and not only does Bakugo lecture him yet again, but he loses the one support system he had in All for One as a result of his failure. 

Not only does Shigaraki lose the security and infinite amount of redos that he had, he also feels the consequences to his actions for the first time. 

An intentional move on All for One’s part to make Shigaraki realize he is responsible for his own actions now, and cannot be like a child having their parental figure clean up all of their messes for them. A move that forces Shigaraki to grow up on his own. 

It’s also no surprise that by the time that by the next time we cut to Shigaraki, he’s learned to value people more. After all, he’s now lost the one person he did have an attachment to in his life and he knows what that pain feels like. Not only does Shigaraki in the Chisaki arc get lectured and have his past failures held against him yet again as a person.

Shigaraki’s lack of a plan, and how much he let allies slip out of his hands in the past are both things that he is criticized for, and also something he faces a direct consequence for. Due to the fact that he was not enough on his own to bring Chisaki into line, in the resulting Melee in the league vs the Yakuza magne dies, and not only that Shigaraki also has to bow his head down to Chisaki and agree to work under him in order to get what he wants this arc. 

It’s at this point we see Shigaraki’s growth as a leader. He’s no longer someone who does not care about his allies, because he speaks to them on a personal level, and also takes responsibility for his failings and mistake. He’s learned the value of his allies, and how to speak with them. This is a complete 180 from the person who tried to kill Toga when she first met him because he annoyed her. 

However, his victory against the Yakuza and choosing to pursue personal vengeance over joining hands with the Yakuza is also something that has consequences for Shigaraki. 

They are out of money, directionless, and his own allies are questioning him because he doesn’t make it clear what he wants to do for them, or what his goals are. Even though the League of Villains is close, they’re not sycophants like Kurogiri, so they don’t just unquestioningly do whatever he says or put up with him. They actively call him out. 

Not only that, but Shigaraki is called to prove himself yet again. He’s called out for accomplishing nothing, despite starting out with the vast amount of resources that All for One gave him. The league of Villains has notoriety and not much else, because at the moment it consists of a core group of homeless twenty year olds strapped for crash and stayin in a dump. 

However, Shigaraki’s character arc is not an arc that just develops him as a villain. He also develops as a person as well. Shigaraki himself is aware of the fact that even if he were to become the perfect king of the villains and All for One’s successor that’s not something that would satisfy him.

Yes, characters are defined by their choices. Shigaraki can make choices now and those choices have meaning. But it’s also important to remember that there’s no such thing as a person with 100% free choices to define who they are. There are choices you get, and things that are chosen for you, and a lot of times especially in stories characters are defined by what they choose when given the choice.

Shigaraki has consistently chosen to value his allies, ask people to believe in him, connect on an emotional level, and even to try to save the people who are on his side when they are lost. These are not things All for One would choose, because All for One raised sycophants and disposable pawns. We see when Shigaraki is given the choice, he chooses to grow on his own to be a better person, despite being met with constant failure. At no point does he give up, or give in. 

By being what All for One wants him to be, Shigaraki completely fails as a person. He only starts to grow and change for real when allowed to be his own person. When he grows independently from All for One, he shows positive character growth that a person who is supposedly past the point of no return should be incapable of. 

Shigaraki at the start of the manga was an insane misanthrope with no social skills at all, who was fickle, gave up, barely tried, and just wanted to lash out. 

Shigaraki now is a person who values his allies, is capable of planning for things in advance, has the determination to fight an impossible battle against an entire city for the sake of one ally, and was clever enough to actually win that fight. If Shigaraki cannot be saved, then why have we already seen him heal to this point? Why are we shown he is capable of change and improving as a person? 

Shigaraki is constantly told how terrible he is and is forced to grow. The most Deku does is occasionally break his bones.  

#2  Bakugo and Enji

Saying that Bakugo and Enji are characters more redeemable then Shigaraki is a pointless statement to me, because Enji and Bakugo are already tied thematically to Shigaraki’s plotline. You cannot have one without the other. You see, because Bakugo and Enji are both explorations of the idea that there’s more to being a hero than just punching villains. 

This is the ideal end point of Deku and Bakugo’s rivalry. That both of their ways of idealizing heroes are misguided, because Deku always hurts himself too much because he prioritizes saving others over his own safety, and Bakugo cannot save others because he is a hero mainly to be the strongest, and to defeat villains. 

Which is one of the critiques of hero society that the story has offered, that there are heroes who are in it not to save other people, but to be the strongest. Which is an unhealthy attitude, because it leads to Bakugo bullying Deku for years over his fear that Deku was looking down on him, and Enji taking out his feelings of failure on his own family. 

Bakugo and Enji are not good heroes, specifically because they would never save someone like Shigaraki. Their priorities are not in helping victims to begin with, just beating up villains because they want to feel strong. If the story is thematically about saving others, it makes sense then that these two characters would be challenged to, yanno, save people. 

If the Ultimate Ideal end of Bakugo and Deku’s relationship is someone who will always win, and save others, then it makes sense for Deku to grow into someone who would not lose to Shigaraki, but also someone who would refuse to see Shigaraki as a victim and be capable fo saving him. 

Also, there’s almost a world of difference in the motivations between Bakugo + Enji and Shigaraki. Bakugo’s backstory is that everybody told him how special he was and he put too high expectations on himself. Now, that was mainly an oversimplication (I have done an entire post on how Bakugo pressuring himself is relatable and also his behavior is a failure on the part of the adults around him to reason with him and discipline him because he’s still a child, just check my mha meta tag)

The things which shaped Shigaraki into the person he became he had almost no control over. What happened to his family was a freak accident, All for One finding him was due to who his grandmother happened to be no fault on his part. He was basically raised in a basement and his only exposure to the outside world was when All for One sent him out to kill people. 

Yet, despite being not responsible for a lot of things that turned him the way he was, Shigaraki takes a lot of personal responsibility for his growth. It is on Shigaraki to learn from his mistakes and right those things. When he fails, Shigaraki takes the brunt of the failure. 

Yet, we have people like Enji who for the most part just blames the circumstances around him and does not change. The reason people want Shigaraki to get exploration as a character is because he does change, and he takes personal repsonsibility to improve himself and faces consequences for his action. Enji faces no consequences for his actions beyond the people he abused not liking him, and he still stays the same person. He still only values individual strength, he still fights by using flashy moves to defeat villains while critically endangering civillains. 

Bakugo is a kid, and he’s also learning to build bridges with Deku instead of repeating his behavior in the past, so he’s capable of change and resolving the conflict of his character that he can be a strong person good at defeating villains but that does not necessarily make him into a good hero.

Shigaraki has also demonstrated that he is a person capable of taking responsbility for his mistakes, and changing to be better. The reason he’s being explored as a character is because he can change. 

Endeavor in his refusal to change far more fits the bill as a tragic example that you were trying to talk about in your response, because that’s how stories are written. Stories are all about development, and change.

[ronanvespertine]

There’s (I’m fairly certain) three main thoughts on justice and what society should do with criminals. 1: punish crime, pay it out. 2 rehabilitate criminals and prevent it from happening again. 3 stop crimes from ever happening through programs like food stations and so on. Endeavour very strongly supports point 1, and he’d be a very popular hero with people with a similar sense of justice, or if he takes down a someone who’s really hurt a lot of people.

Yep, makes sense:

Prevention

Retaliation

Rehabilitation

I kinda explored this in that old Hawks ask (man I wish there was an easier way to look for it). There are definitely different approaches to the way society deals with things. As well as different levels of severity. As for what “crossing the line” entails—people will have different opinions on that. Which is why it makes it so difficult for people and society to agree on where the line is drawn sometimes.

(Honestly, I think it’s pointless to try and solidify where that line is. There’s no way everyone can come to a consensus about justice. Because it’s a topic everyone feels strongly about. At this point, all we can do is lay out some ground rules and let people carry out the justice they personally believe in.)

(This is also a reminder that any statements I make on this blog are just my personal opinion on things. I’ll try harder not to slap a “right” or “wrong” on stuff—that’s impossible, I probably have to use that kind of polarizing language to explain what I think about stuff—but please know that anything I say is just an opinion. It is not the “correct answer” or the “popular opinion”. Even if it is the popular opinion, that doesn’t mean it is “right”. Same thing goes with my fics. It’s just how I personally want to look at BNHA. In no way does it mean that’s the way everyone else should interpret it.)

I definitely agree with the sympathizers bit. (That’s probs not the right term but just roll with it.) People’s personal experiences will affect their outlook and the way they do things. Someone who was beaten and betrayed by the world could possibly have a more pessimistic view on things. People out there will want vengeance, sometimes, regardless of how it’s taken. Any obstacles in their way would seem like “the enemy” and dehumanized in their eyes. To them, that person standing in their way isn’t a person anymore. It’s a monster out to get them, stop them from getting the revenge/justice they rightfully deserve. In some ways, I think the MHA game title really suits the series. “One’s Justice”. People’s versions of justice differ from one another.

There are a lot of metas out there that explore the concept of dehumanizing the villains and the “guilty until proven innocent” criminality thing in Japan. Probably look at @/transhawks and @/thyandrawrites. They write insightful metas. @/transhawks’ metas are really good at exploring the world around BNHA, and delves into the Japanese culture influencing the series that foreigners might not know. And both are really good with their talk on the villains.

Looping back to the sympathizers, yes. I definitely agree Endeavor will have supporters like that who approve of the harsh way he does things. Maybe conservative-ish people, who tend to think that criminals aren’t worthy/capable of reform and just deserve to be locked up/die altogether. Yeah, ouch. People can be heartless out there. And they have every right to be.

I personally don’t always like the way Endeavor does stuff, but you know.....sometimes, justice may need a bunch of different forms of “justice” working together. You can kinda see it in the current PLF raid arc:

Endeavor’s merciless plowing forward fiery stuff

Ryukyu’s protective stuff

Hawks’ “at all costs”

Midoriya’s “for everyone else I’ll sacrifice myself”

Gran Torino’s “think of the larger picture and protect OFA”

Bakugo’s “I’ll always win”

Tokoyami’s “loyalty”

Kaminari’s “for everyone else I’ll overcome my fear”

Like, if all of these heroes were the same type of justice, we wouldn’t have the fight we have now. We’d have a stagnant, monotone, predictable army that could easily be overcome because everyone would have the same convictions/boundaries.

If Hawks didn’t have his “at all costs” justice, we’d probably be facing a massive tsunami of Twice. If Endeavor didn’t have his fiery resilience, we’d probably be seeing a nation full of fear and lost hope. If we didn’t have Midoriya’s sacrificial justice, we’d probably see Shigaraki mowing down all those heroes and civilians. And if we didn’t have Gran Torino’s “larger picture” stuff, the legacy of OFA would’ve ended the second Shiggy met up with Midoriya.

Even if people’s different versions of justice can’t agree with each other.....they play off each other. And we still need them, in a way. We just have to live in a world full of differences, you know.

[shiggycore]

could you talk a little about why you find shiggy such a compelling character? Like, he's definitely more sympathetic now that we understand what a pawn he's been in the AFO/OFA conflict, but is there anything else you like?

tbh i cant pinpoint why i like him so much! i think what really drew me to him was how he nd deku are essentially different sides of the same coin. they are litterally the same except ones am aspiring villian and ones an aspiring hero. like just the way he is written is just so appealing to me and i really like it. i think thats what got me tbh. because ngl i didnt like shigaraki when i watched season one. but then i saw season two and realized where the story was going and how he was developing along side deku and how similar they were and thats when i started to like him. THEN i started to like him even MORE when the who afo thing happened and when we learned more about him, and i also started to really sympathize with him a lot more too.

my favorite thing ever was at the end of s2 when this man rly went to deku nd was like “hey..bro...ik we r enemies and all but like tell me what im doing wrong...bruh...........whys stain getting all the attnetion how do i get that” like THIS MANS RLY WENT TO DEKU AND ASKED HIM HOW TO BE A BETTER VILLIAN god i love that so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like who does that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO DOES THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! also that was a huge turning point for shiggy and after that GOD he got so much better. 

honestly i just really love......him. 

also i really love...his dynamic with the rest of the league....he loves them and cares for them...a lot. nd its very noticable. i would say more on this but i dont want to have manga spoilers but yeah....

[inkykeiji]

Clari, that one hypothetical Tomura fic from Touya-nii universe broke me. I actually ugly sobbed at that ending, haven't been able to move on from it in weeks! Of course I mean this in a good way, I love works that leave a mark like that, but I'll admit this is the first time I wished for our dear reader to just ditch Dabi and run away with Shigaraki.

I'll say, the way you portray Tomura is definitely my favorite (in all your universes) to a point that, doesn't matter who I first came looking for, I always end up wishing reader could end up with him instead. The BMB universe has been giving me heartaches recently with the entire situation unfolding, I just want to take Shigs in my arms and tell him it's going to be okay qwq

Thank you so much for your work, you're an amazing writer and quickly became one of my all time favorites ♡♡♡

-Shiggy Sympathizer

hello shiggy sympathizer i love u <3

IT HURTS SO MUCH DOESN'T IT ANON????? I CRIED WHILE WRITING THE END; sometimes i reread it and it still makes me tear up LMAO. but oh my goodness, thank you so much for sharing this with me bb it actually means the whole world to me <333 I DON'T WANT YOU HURTING obviously hahaha but to hear that my pieces leave a mark or leave you thinking etc., aaaah anon that is SUCH a compliment thank you thank you thank you <33333

oh wow!!!!! aaaah anon i'm literally BLUSHING HEHEHEHE LIKE !!!!!!!! omg 🥺🥺🥺 once again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing this with me as well <333 tomura is my second favourite character; i just think he's incredible, so layered and complex and his GROWTH is just amazing. it's so interesting to watch him morph from whiny brat to whiny brat who's actually a super villain. like, he's terrifying. i love it so much!!! so i really enjoy dissecting him as a character and then reassembling him and throwing him in my own stories and situations.

BUT AWWWWW ANON BB THAT'S SO SWEET N CUTE 🥺🥺🥺 aww hehehe <33 while the ending of bmb isn't exactly happy, it is bittersweet, and it ends with a feeling of faint, hesitant hope <3

thank YOU so much for reading my work and for being so kind and sending me such a beautiful message!!!!! i genuinely appreciate it more than i can tell you <333 oh anon you're making me tear up hehehe please i am so so so lucky and fortunate to have you here with me!!! thank you for such compassionate and considerate words my luv, they truly mean the world to me <3 i hope my work can continue to provide you with enjoyment + entertainment (or whatever else you may find useful in them!!) <3333 ilysm <3

[inkykeiji]

Heyyy Claire!

I see you are taking a break (so was I actually!), I hope everything is okay and you're having a good time!

I've caught up with your newest works (Natsuo brainrot?!??!?!?!?) and, as always, your writing is absolutely amazing.

(Also, reading your tags make my day)

I hope you have a good day, dear! Drink your water and rest your soul♡

- Yours truly, Shiggy Sympathizer

SHIGGY SYMPATHIZER <3 MY LUV <333

waaaah i am trying my best!!! some days are better than others, i’m going to the zoo today tho!!! i hope you’re doing lovely and that you’re taking good care of yourself <33 and that your break has been restful and restorative!! <3

OH HEHEHEHE thank you so much!!!! i’m super glad to hear you’ve been enjoying them!! <3 AAAAAH NATSUO BRAINROT FOR REAL + FOREVERRRR

thank you sweetpea, i hope you do as well!! sorry i’m getting to this ask a little late!!! >.<

[inkykeiji]

OMG CLARI HI ITS BEEN FOREVER!!! i’ve been so busy with college that i took a social media break and am only just now able to download tumblr again :) how are you?? i hope you’ve been well and just from some quick scrolling, i see that ur blog has grown so much bigger than when i was last on here and eek!!!! i’m so proud of u!!! u n ur writing deserve it so much :))))

ofc i know that i primarily sent u asks about the bmb universe way back when (and i am very excited to get caught up on the new installments) but i couldn’t resist the piece u posted for mr shiggy’s birthday and honestly i’m so happy i read it first bc it is so good. u do such a good job writing angst and the way the mc described her guilt over cheating on touya even though he can be very manipulative was so realistic and so well described i could really sympathize with her and her actions. her internal conflict combined with her affection for tomura is a deadly combo (for touya anyways) and u balanced the terror and feelings of desire so well!!!! i’m so fond of the tomura in this universe. he’s so impulsive and not tactful at all. he says what he wants and what he wants is the mc and compared to touya’s conniving ways, he’s like a breath of fresh air. sniff sniff ;; i think i might be in love with tomura almost as much as he’s in love with the mc. speaking of!!!! that last scene in the bathroom where she reads his text and has to delete it is such a gut punch like ugh she’s so conflicted and her feelings are pulled in every which way and god i just wanna hold her hand and give her a pat on the back and tell her everything will be okay. u did such a great job with the emotions of this piece so it was the perfect thing to read as soon as i opened the tumblr app.

u probably already guessed that i would have more questions, lol, so here they are!!! does touya ever find out? why doesn’t tomura do anything to fight for the mc? does she love tomura back and is it that she’s too caught up in touya to properly go after tomu or what? gah i’m so nosy but that’s only because i love what u did with these characters. they balance each other so nicely :)

anyways, i’m gonna go read the third part of bmb now :)))

-star anon!!

STAR ANON MY BABIE I AM SCREAAAAAAMING OH MY GOD STAR ANON SWEETPEA HOW ARE YOU????? i thought about you!!!! as my very first (named) anon ever, you will always have a very special place in my heart hehehe <333

social media breaks can be very good for you, so i am proud of you for putting yourself and your education first!! i have, thank you!! YES hehehe it has, aaah thank you so much bb (*/ω＼) ily lots and i hope you’ve been doing well too, and that college isn’t too stressful!! <333

oooh!! please heed the trigger warnings and stay safe <33 hehehe aw star anon thank you so very much, those are such beautiful compliments to receive and i am honoured <3 i’m also super glad to hear that it affected you emotionally, that you were able to feel what she was feeling and sympathize with her!!

YES YES YES exactly!! my gosh you interpreted this piece SO well and i am literally overjoyed like there’s such a massive smile on my face right now aaaah i’m just ecstatic that you picked up on all of that and that it’s coming across the way i intended for it to!! <3 once again, thank you from the bottom of my heart!!

hehehehe i always love your questions so much!! eeee okay let’s get into them!

does touya ever find out?

(like i mentioned in the ask before this, idk if i’d technically include this piece in what is officially ‘canon’ for m touya-nii AU--i just wrote it for fun n because i missed this version of tomura sm!!) BUT no, touya never finds out. it stays a secret between reader and tomura forever. tomura would never, ever reveal this secret to touya, because he knows how much trouble (and potential DANGER!) the reader would be in if he did, and he despite how selfish and impulsive he is, he loves her too much to do that.

why doesn’t tomura do anything to fight for the mc?

because he knows it isn’t worth it, he knows he’ll lose, and he knows how dangerous touya can get. that’s almost an automatic death sentence for him, especially since he was the one reader originally cheated on touya with!! truthfully, he’s lucky he’s still breathing at all (which is really all thanks to the fact that touya works for tomura’s father, and touya knows if he kills tomura, then he will be killed in turn by tomura’s father, or will spend the rest of his + reader’s life frantically on the run). but overall he knows that the reader is in love with touya, and him attempting any fight is both pointless and hazardous!! 

does she love tomura back?

no, she just cares very deeply for him. there is definitely a potential for love to sprout there just in general between those two characters because they get along so well, but by this time in the story she’s in much too deep with touya (because she does genuinely love touya!). in this piece, reader also feels guilt for having left tomura so suddenly and then never even attempting to contact him again. she feels like they both need closure, and she kind of pities him in a way. but she sincerely cares for him and decided to seize the coincidental opportunity when it presented itself!!

hehehe great questions star anon thank you so much!!! hopefully my answers make sense!! <33 as always, i cant even tell you how much i appreciate your beautiful, detailed asks, and the amount of effort and thought you put into them. you’re incredible and i’m so lucky to have you here!!!!! ily!!!

[izukukuzi]

you know, i respect people who want bkg to be redemmed bc we all have our own opinions and stuff. but to me??? i want him OUT of the narrative, nothing he will ever do (just looking at what we have till now, almost 300 chaps) will be enough,nothing will happen so yeah, to me he is iredemable. is it me selfprojecting years of cruelty i had to deal with with bothableism and racism? maybe but in a word qith quirks where people can be pink red or black with no problem

(2/4) what sets you aside is your quirk. or lack of it since without it you aint even a person, and bakugou spent 10 years and MORE ruining the equivalent of a disabled child while showing how privileged he was, he is rich, has a powerful quirk, can hurt anyone and get away with it, he has both parents, he is everything izuku isnt AND yet we have to sympathize with him rather than the victim??? i dont get it.i know a lot of people want him to be redeemed but i dont understand why he has to become friends

(3/4) like if someone told me be friends with the person who ruined your youth and selfworth and just straight up made your life hell im just gonna be really, astonished and he didnt get better, it is just the narrative accommodating him, because he is like pretty much the same as the start. and something that i dont get is why people try justifying him while hating mineta,they are the same age so lets just admit that yall care about appearence rather than actual characters and flaws

(4/4) sorry i ranted dhf hdbhjcsd but like. im just tired and your inbox is one of the few places that make me feel understood ?? ;-; sorry, and love u!!! have a nice day honey bee

first, I want to address your last point, nonnie. neveeeeeer apologize for sharing your thoughts with me!!! to be honest, I became more vocal about my feelings towards bakugou because I imagined that others felt that way too, or similarly enough, and I wanted to make space for us all to comfortably talk about it. the fact that that’s working, even for one person at all, makes me feel good!!! so no apologies, and no worries babes (and I love you toooooooooo!!)

now, onward to the stuff:

you bring up a lot of points that i probably don’t have all the depth to explore in their entirety, but yes to all that ^^^^^

as you mentioned at the start, there are variations in opinions, which is how things work. the beauty of it is that everyone can take what they want out of the show/character(s) and every interpretation (within reason hdebfdbnjd) is valid. soooooooo if you’re someone who has dealt with real life discrimination of some sort (like racism, ableism, sexism, along with the other -isms) I think it’s beyond fair to not only identify with izuku, but to raise issue with bakugou and his actions. I mean, even if you haven’t felt those struggles, seeing and then calling out a character’s shitty behavior is not... a bad thing?? even for bakugou, even at the start of his “redemption.” being wary of his growth makes sense, especially when it took us over two-hundred chapters to get where we are currently.

that then leads me into the responses to the responses to bakugou dbedhd I haven’t really had the chance to speak to many people who are put off by my stance on bk, but I can sort of guess that some people grow defensive on his behalf because 1) they feel the need to justify the fact that they like him, or 2) they identify with him, maybe in a way that I, or you nonnie, identify with izuku, so they take criticism geared towards him as something personal (and as I said, this is me guessing. I don’t know shit about shit so please no one take offense or anything). and you know, when thinking about that, I believe:

you don’t have to justify liking a character, even when they’re “bad.” I know there’s lots of shiggy stans around and I would never ask any of them to justify enjoying his character (though I will continuously joke on yall for calling him attractive lmao). people criticize shig’s actions and how he operates in the plot, but that doesn’t mean you can’t still like him. the same goes for bakugou

me, in this case, disliking a character that you see parts of yourself in does not mean I have any ill feelings towards you as a person. for example, I love izuku! I think I was in the tags of someone else’s post early this morning talking about how I connect with him as a black person and how I love his storyline because parts of it make me feel seen. so like, all that in mind, there’s a decent amount of people, both in and out of the fandom, who haaaaaaaaaaate izuku. there’s a number of reasons why, and while I don’t agree with that stance, obviously, I know that people’s feelings about him do not also reflect onto me as a person because their perception of him has nothing to do with me. the same line of reasoning can, and probably should, be applied to bakugou. 

and so with all of that being said... that’s what I think is (part of) what’s going on. now, as someone who doesn’t care for his character, and being shit-talked for not caring too much for his character, I am still frustrated by it. plenty of people have already talked about the importance of holding bk accountable, and it’s okay if we get that in canon and it 1) changes how you feel about bk (because honestly, that’s what I want. I want to see him do good enough by izu and his past mistakes to like him... or tolerate him better duebndnwd), 2) it doesn’t change how you feel, or 3) it makes you dislike him more. all of these are valid reactions. what I do hope for is that people are understanding of how others feel, regardless of how it shoves against your own/the fandom’s general opinion, because they’re allowed to feel differently. 

people are allowed to problematize problematic behavior, they’re allowed to enjoy a character despite said problematic beahvior, and these things can (and should) coexist.   

okay but all this bullshit is basically me saying you’re valid anon and anti-bakugou fans/bakugou haters/whatever deserve more rights eubfudwnjndjw