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gohard-or-gohomo · 2 years
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Why has my planning for a fun lesbian detective story turned into researching brehon law. WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!!
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Hello! I'm sort of drafting a scifi plot centered around a colony planet's war for independence from their Earth motherland. I'm wondering, would it be plausible for the motherland to openly use torture to punish the rebels fighting for the colony's freedom in order to terrorize the rest of the colony's people into submission? In that case, would they be more likely to use scarring torture against those rebels? Thank you for your help! (Hope the ask made sense, English isn't my first language!)
It makes sense, your English is incredible. :)
 Everything you’ve suggested is possible. But this is a complicated topic so I’m going to talk about each point a little more.
 In the scenario you’ve set up it is plausible to have the motherland/authorities using torture. It’s also plausible for them to say and believe that it will make the colony submit.
 But torture can’t actually do that.
 Which you probably already know if you’ve been following the blog for a while. It feeds into the rest of the answer though, especially since we’re talking about scarring tortures.
 Based on what happened when the British and French empires finally ended: torture is likely to galvanise resistance movements. The use of torture by the British in Kenya and by the French in Algeria seem to have encouraged resistance and helped resistance movements recruit.
 There are more examples from this period you could look at, but what happened in these two countries is particularly well documented. And the British destroyed records of torture in some colonies. (Ironically the destruction of these records was recorded.)
 In both cases I don’t think the colonisers made much of an effort to hide the fact they were torturing people. It was known and understood throughout the country.
 At the same time it generally wasn’t happening as ‘openly’ as it would in Saudi Arabia today.* There were not officially mandated public punishments or mutilations.
 Instead the general pattern** was that people ‘vanished’ at random and would reappear weeks or months (sometimes years) later traumatised. Much of the torture in both places was ‘clean’ (non-scarring). So it wasn’t physical injuries or public displays that let people know torture was happening.
 It was people going missing. It was stories. It was communities gradually filling with more and more traumatised people.
 A colonising force can be torturing openly without torturing publicly.
 If you’ve got an image of a big platform in a town square where people are whipped, that is possible. But it’s not the only way this stuff happens.
 There is still some debate about why torturers avoid scarring tortures today.
 I think Rejali makes a very good argument. He did a lot of research and analysis, more then anyone else putting forward a theory.
 Rejali believes that the lack of scarring torture today is because torture is illegal and because we try to enforce those laws. He thinks that it’s about getting rid of evidence.
 There are other theories. Some people think scarring tortures are more likely when torturers dehumanise their victims. Some people think that clean tortures are more ‘practical’ from the point of view of authority figures; they don’t want to risk making the workforce incapable of working. There’s also an argument that a culture’s preferred torture techniques (National Style) is political and mimics the countries they are politically closest too.
 Rejali is really the only person I’ve seen back up their theory with analysis.
 And it’s worth remembering that clean tortures were commonly used throughout history. They were used with scarring tortures. It’s only recently that it’s become ‘one or the other’, through most of history it has been both.
 Which means that whether scarring tortures are likely depends on a lot of factors and most of the factors are cultural.
 If the culture on Earth views scarring torture as:
Illegal
Immoral
Unusually brutal
Uncivilised
 Then I think it’s really really unlikely that there’d be public scarring torture. I also think with that sort of culture scarring torture would be less common (but still possible).
 On the other hand if the majority culture sees torture as a legitimate punishment (and the rebels as deserving punishment) scarring torture is much more likely.
 I’d encourage you to think about how the major Earth culture views violence.
 Are executions commonly accepted as punishment? Can criminals be sentenced to things like blinding and amputation? Would the average person argue that public punishment is justified? Do people generally accept torture as part of a punishment? What are the cultural ideas about shame? Are any acts seen as particularly humiliating? Are any acts seen as particularly bad?
 Let’s use an example. You don’t have to use this. I’m just trying to show how you can use your worldbuilding to make all of this feel consistent.
 Imagine a majority Earth culture in this sci fi world that sees disloyalty as particularly bad. We’re all humans. We’re all ultimately from Earth. And whatever our differences we should be working together for the good of Earth.
 Now imagine that whipping is a possible sentenced punishment in this culture. Only for a few, severe crimes. Perhaps it’s seen as especially humiliating (as it was in ancient Rome).
 With this combination of cultural features it’s easy to imagine that there’d be popular support for whipping these rebels. Because they’re going against something seen as fundamental to this society and there is already support for torture as a humiliating punishment.
 If there’s less public support for torture then this kind of public display is a lot less likely.
 But torture could still be going on. It’s just more likely to be clean and authorities are more likely to deny it. Or deny that what they’re doing is torture.
 Apathy towards the colony is another possible factor. If the people back home just… don’t care about what goes on in the colony that might make torture generally and scarring torture in particular more likely.
 All of this means that this is a narrative choice but it’s a choice that you can tie to your world building and the plot.
 Scarring torture in the context of this kind of story means… handing the rebels a powerful propaganda tool.
 We instinctively empathise when we see other people in pain. That’s part of why torture backfires: whatever a person’s belief system we feel something when we see other people suffer. And that usually means that people who witness torture start to feel opposed to the torturers.
 Scarring tortures mean there’s a longer time frame where you can get this reaction. It means that sympathy can be garnered quickly and across language barriers by simply sharing pictures.
 If part of what you’ve planned for the story is a growing resistance movement scarring torture is a very good fit. Because it’s an easy way to show characters quickly becoming sympathetic to the rebels.
 ‘You think these people are decent?! Look at what they did to my little boy!’
 That’s powerful, visceral stuff. If you want these parts of the story to hit the readers hard, so they feel breathless, then this is a very good choice.
 Clean torture often means taking more time explaining what happened to someone and how it felt. It means you have to hold the reader’s hand and talk them through why this was so bad.
 If you want to take a more thoughtful, philosophical approach (or focus more on a character’s internal journey) this can be a very good choice. But it doesn’t fit so well if you want these sections of the story to be more like action sequences with emotional weight.
 And this feeds into how you want to approach resistance in the story. I think that with scarring torture you have a very easy way to show why these people don’t submit. There’s a lot more instinctual understanding of the anger, pain and spite.
 For a lot of people clean torture requires more explanation and build up. I say that because a lot of people just don’t understand clean torture at all.
 For all that I usually advise writers to connect with that and use clean tortures (the kinds that are used most commonly now)- sometimes there is a good narrative reason for choosing a scarring torture instead. And skipping the explanations that need to come with clean tortures can be one of them. You don’t always want to spend pages explaining the basics to readers. Sometimes you just want to make them feel something straight away.
 Wrapping up I think you’d get a lot from reading H Alleg’s The Question and the appendices to Fanon’s The Wretched of the Earth. Both talk about the Franco-Algerian war, Alleg as a torture survivor and Fanon as a mental health professional who treated survivors, witnesses and torturers.
 Good luck with your story. Tackling these topics can be hard. Remember that the masterposts are here and that it’s OK if you don’t get things right on the first attempt.
 I hope that helps. :)
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*For new readers I use Saudi as an example often because I grew up there. As an expat. I am white, my parents are from England and Cyprus. Which incidentally is one of the places we’re missing British colonial records for. I feel like my peculiar background should be out in the open when we’re discussing colonial violence.
 **There were exceptions. Both places saw big, obvious attacks. These were usually by military forces on remote villages and often meant whole villages were destroyed.
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wmjismail · 6 years
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Below is Daim's speech in full in UTM Skudai on 19 March 2019:
To understand our current political climate, it is important to look back at our history. Kusut di hujung, balik ke pangkal (Messy at the end, return to the root of the problem).
The history of the Malays starts from long before the formation of Tanah Melayu. We are descendants of great empires, from Langkasuka, to Srivijaya, to Majapahit, to Melaka. Melaka, of course, is our most popular tale, that of a world-famous port whose global success led to its eventual colonisation.
And when Melaka fell to the Portuguese, those descendants of Sultan Melaka who survived founded a new empire here in Johor. They took control of the southern Malay Peninsula, spreading across Riau, Anambas, Natuna, Tambelan, Borneo, and Sumatra. Their success was attributed to the wisdom of their rulers, and their openness to international trade.
In more recent history, the formation of the Malayan Union and the subsequent opposition led by Umno were significant events that triggered real change in the political organisation of the Malays. Onn Jaafar, himself from Bukit Gambir and an MB of Johor, founded Umno in 1946, signalling the height of Malay political supremacy. We were united and we were strong.
But our unity did not last. We didn’t know how to deal with success; the Malays started to split. When we are successful, we are drunk with success. When we fail, we look for scapegoats and go amok.
Our battle with the Malayan Union was, in a way, the first true independence that we achieved - when the British backed down. We became masters of our own land.
But the political landscape changed, and many non-Malays began to consider Malaya home and demanded a say in their new homeland.
In 1951, Onn made the first attempt to unify the races in a single party when he tried to open the membership of Umno to non-Malays. However, Umno members at the time rejected it, and he left the party.
Nevertheless, the 1952 elections marked the first real political collaboration between Malays and non-Malays when Umno and MCA joined forces for political victory. They were later joined by MIC to form the Alliance, signalling political unity amongst all Malayans, achieving a sweeping victory in the 1955 elections.
Then came the negotiations for Merdeka, where all Malaysians worked hand-in-hand to shrug off the yoke of colonialism. We learned that we were stronger together – when all Malaysians were united, we could overcome challenges.
All this happened against a backdrop of consistent armed warfare against terrorists during the Emergency, when all races fought shoulder to shoulder to gain victory. We are the only country in the world to defeat terrorists.
Then came the formation of Malaysia and Konfrontasi and throughout Malays were working with non-Malays to achieve national goals.
So, Malaysia has had a strong and rich history of inter-racial harmony and multi-culturalism since its very inception. But we must admit that it is still very complex with jobs and economic sectors identified with race, income inequality between the races and different educational systems existing.
It cannot be denied that Malaysia will prosper when Malays prosper. You cannot have 50 percent of your population in low income, there will be economic instability affecting everyone, regardless of race or economic status.
For Malaysia to succeed, the Malays must succeed. But this can only be achieved within the national context, working together with non-Malays for the benefit of Malaysia.
Why is it that Malays were able to work so closely with non-Malays for so many years leading up to Merdeka and beyond? Even in the face of outside aggression, there were hardly questions of who deserved Malaysia more – the Malays or non-Malays. Indeed, it was only when politicians decided to use race and religion as tools to gain power that we fell by the wayside.
This talk is entitled 'Naratif Malaysia: Melayu dalam Persoalan National'. My question to you is: should we not just be talking about a National Narrative? Need we break down a national narrative along racial and religious lines?
But if your intention is to find answers to inequality, and to answer why the Malays are behind economically, then I really hope that this seminar will provide the answer.
When we talk about the Malays, we must talk about Islam. The Malays and Islam are indeed deeply entwined. They cannot be discussed separately. But what this has led to is the ignoring of our cultural and regional heritage, which has been abandoned in favour of foreign cultures (Arabisation especially) which feed into the insecurity of the Malays. It seems that everyone who does not speak like us and everything that we do not agree with, is a threat to Malays and Islam.
We must ask ourselves – is this true? Why is this so? Since when have the Malays and Muslims become so insecure about our place in this country?
When the Malays were far less economically advanced and far less educated, we defeated the British by rejecting the Malayan Union. We were brave.
We knew to organise collectively and strategically. We used our brains to defeat a colonial power. We managed to gain independence without bloodshed. We had no problems working with non-Malays and even learning from other races.
As the Malays progressed, it seems so did our sense of insecurity. Why is this so? Could it be that when there were no crutches, we had dignity, and the Malays felt more secure of our place within the country?
We are not lacking in Malay heroes. Johor alone has a rich history of formidable warriors, renowned artists, poets, athletes, scientists, doctors, academicians, and businessmen.
There was Muhamad Salleh bin Perang, who was the Bentara Luar. He was the first to draw up an accurate map of Johor, without the modern technology that present-day surveyors have available. He was the Head of Land Management and State Survey, and he used his map to plan the development of Johor. He was a Malay, but he was fluent in Chinese and was knowledgeable about Chinese culture, which allowed him to work closely with them in developing the economy.
In the realm of politics alone, the list of honours is never ending. Tun Hussein Onn, our “Bapa Perpaduan”, was from Johor. And so was his own “Bapa”, the founder of Umno, Onn Jaafar. His father before him, Jaafar Muhammad, was the first and longest serving MB of Johor. Deputy Prime Ministers Tun Dr Ismail and Musa Hitam were sons of Johor. Tun Ismail’s family was illustrious on its own, including his father-in-law Seth Said, Deputy MB of Johor, who was part of the delegation for Merdeka, and signed the Merdeka agreement against the Sultan’s orders. Without him, we would not have had Merdeka.
Johor produced the President of the Senate, Rahman Yasin. He was Tun Dr Ismail’s father. Tun Dr Ismail’s brother-in-law Ghazali Seth, was Chief of Defence, and he married Sri Norziah - sister of Hussein Onn, daughter of Onn Jaafar. Tun Dr Ismail went to school in Sekolah Melayu Bukit Zaharah in JB with two other famous figures – his brother, Sulaiman Abdul Rahman, and Ahmad Perang, who became the first Malay chairman of KTM.
Mohamed Noah Omar, the first Speaker of Dewan Rakyat, was also from Johor. His family too was very special – his two daughters married the men who would go on to be our prime ministers. Rahah, the wife of Tun Razak, and Suhaila, the wife of Hussein Onn. Tun Razak studied at Raffles College, with another son of Johor, Taib Andak, after whom Felda Taib Andak in Kulai is named. His brother Rahman Andak, was one of the early campaigners for Johor’s independence, and was State Secretary of Johor in 1984.
Governors of Bank Negara, Aziz Taha, Jaffar Hussein and Zeti Aziz. Professor Ungku Aziz, Zeti’s father, is a renowned economist. Zeti’s grandfather, Syed Mohammed Alsagoff, used to own Pulau Kukup, and had a concession to print his own money. Today, we use money signed by his granddaughter.
Why should we feel insecure with a legacy as illustrious as this?
Again, could it be that after being given all sorts of crutches, the effect has been to make the Malays weak and insecure, and most noticeably, lacking in resilience? What has led to this lack of confidence? It seems that when the Malays were facing real challenges, such as fighting for independence, our resilience was so much stronger.
As ease and comfort and quality of life improved, confidence and resilience abated. These observations call for sincere self-reflection – instead of picking fights with perceived enemies, we should look inwards and try to better ourselves instead of blaming all of our ills on others. We seem to be scared of our own shadows.
Today, there is one Malay graduate for every 20 Malays. Despite being more educated and having a large educated segment, we are still unable to convince ourselves that Malays have nothing to fear in this country. Are Malays thinking strategically, critically and logically? It looks increasingly obvious every day that the Malays are thinking with their emotions instead of with their intellect. We must ask ourselves – what is happening to us?
We have allowed our emotions to run wild and influence the way we see others. We watch ghost movies at the box offices. When Mastika stopped writing ghost stories, circulation ended and now there is no more Mastika. Now instead of reading about ghosts in Mastika, we are seeing ghosts around every corner.
Instead of depending on logic and facts, we prefer to buy into the racist rhetoric of politicians with dubious reputations.
Since I am talking to academicians, I would like to pose this question to you: what role should you be playing in injecting some logic and fact into the Malaysia narrative? Do you intend to go along with the emotional flow or do you see it as your academic duty to question the irrational narratives that are being shoved down the Malays’ throats?
Do you as “the educated” speak honestly and bravely about what is happening or do you simply pretend that this growing racism is justified?
All of you here are highly educated, but how many of you have bought into the nonsensical political rhetoric that the Malays are being threatened by the non- Malays in this country? That Islam is under threat simply because of one or two people being insensitive enough to post something on the Prophet?
The religion cannot be insulted. Only people can be. If our faith is strong, we do not get insulted. In fact, we laugh at such ignorance. And our behaviour should reflect the best of our religion so that we and our religion earn the respect of others.
Our country is multi-cultural and multi-religious. We have managed to live here in peace. We are sensitive to our neighbours and respect one another. This is our way.
It is wrong to insult anybody, more so the Prophet. To make fun of religion is stupid. But we have laws, and we should respect due process. Many have forgotten our Rukun Negara. The most important document is the Constitution.
No Malaysian should make insensitive comments towards other religions and races. But what has happened with the proclamation of Jihad against non- Muslims recently?
If Muslims want to perform Jihad, it should be Jihad to better ourselves not only spiritually, but economically, academically and to contribute to the continued growth of our own country.
We talk about the Malay narrative as if we are on the verge of being driven out of our own country. There is so much anger and indignation when non- Malays were appointed to high posts in the government, as if this is something new.
Why is there not the same anger when we are confronted with facts of corruption and kleptocracy of the highest order among our Malay leaders? We don’t feel offended when it was prime news all over the world. Instead, we respond with “Malu apa?”. Kalau “tak malu”, apa jadi kepada iman kita (If we are not ashamed, what has happened to our faith)?
The Malays can continue down this emotional and irrational path at our own peril or we can stop, think, reflect and call for change. Nobody is forcing us to be emotional and irrational. We have chosen to be that way ourselves because we have allowed ourselves to be bought over by politicians whose only goal is to gain or regain power, no matter what the cost – and the cost is almost always ours to bear.
So, the choice is up to us – nak duduk macam katak di bawah tempurung (want to be like a frog beneath a coconut-shell)? Do we change and become a force to be reckoned within the context of the national agenda, Malaysia Baru, or do we go down the path we are currently treading and proclaim a narrative that is narrow, focused only on ourselves? Or will we pursue a truly National or Malaysia Narrative, in which we participate and play a very active role?
The National Agenda is not a Malay agenda or a non-Malay agenda. It is a Malaysian Agenda that takes into consideration all Malaysians. That fights poverty and inequality without discrimination, respecting the Constitution.
I am glad to note that this seminar is directed at the four sectors of politics, economy, budaya and agama. Let us get all of these right. To get all of these right, our education system must change. Don't treat education as a political football. The education system must be right.
Our future, Malaysia’s future, will depend on giving our children the right type of education that will allow them to be confident to face the best in the world. Get education right, then politics and economy will be right. Brains minus emotions will determine our future and the future of Malaysia.
Expose our children to the world, then they will want to excel, and they will protect the best of our budaya.
There is nothing wrong with Islam. It is not under threat. It is the fastest growing religion in the world.
I would like to advise you not to follow politicians blindly. As I said earlier, for Malaysia to succeed, the Malays must succeed. I keep repeating, Iqra' (Aik Krok) – read to acquire knowledge and to think critically. Choose the right path that will lead to success.
Time is very important and we are excellent at wasting time. We will lose to time. Let us tell ourselves from now on we shall not repeat past mistakes. We will give the best education to our children so that they can compete and succeed. Let us leave all failure of confidence behind, and start our future now.
Leave this hall confident and ok with ourselves. Tell our children that we will compete and we will succeed.
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