#so they can unintentionally look soc when they are really not

[isekyaaa]

The closest character to Kokomi in terms of similarities is Alhaitham. They both want to essentially do what interests them the most (read) and be left alone. Both are quite intuitive about understanding and predicting situations and people. The difference is that Kokomi feels a higher level of responsibility over her environment then Alhaitham. She feels more obligated to do what she doesn’t want to do while Alhaitham just cannot be bothered.

[rietveild]

there's this really interesting facet to kaz where, because of every horrible thing that he's done, he doesn't judge others for their most ~ dastardly deeds ~ and while obviously even kaz has a line, he can ( unintentionally ) be comforting when someone is trying to face their misgivings, failures, or regrets. like... you've killed someone and feel guilty about it ? he'd tell you to get over it because crying won't bring the person back. you feel down on your luck ? he'd scoff at you and ask why you're allowing something so small to best you.

i think nina puts it best in soc when she says, “In a way, telling Kaz had been a comfort. There could be no judgment from a boy known as Dirtyhands”. he's someone who can be trusted with a person's worst secrets and not treat them any differently for it. and in some cases, he ends up offering up this degree of tough love that's almost healing in some scenarios, even though that's certainly not what he's trying to do. in many ways, opening up about your deepest regret to someone and that person looking you in the eye, shrugging, and telling you that they don't care is sometimes exactly what a person needs to hear and kaz does it best

[krayfishthetypelessblob]

Long ask ahead, sorry: Hey there i wanna ask how do i tell if, as an 8, have a cp/p6 (with w5) fix? Ive been inclined to say cp6 but maybe that just the 8? Also, ive thought of myself as sx/sp for a while but that made me feel rlly disconnected from like community and group in general, which didnt make sense cuz im very big on like “loyalty” and group dynamics. I also identified strongly w a Y/sp, but now it makes sense thats just my 6 need for stability so i can just leave sp as my blind. Just read chestunts the social 8 and that makes sense, but im still not rlly inclined to say im so/sx, but rather sx/so maybe? Or would the description change loads? Esp since the irl person example she gave was much more mellow than me and more cut off from their anger (am slowly integrating tho) and the author went on to say how soc8s can usually mistype as 9 or 2(i have 2 last so there were influences for sure) which didnt apply at all, ive always known i was an 8 (except for when i thought i was a 5 but i was just spiraling what a time). But yea anyways, i feel like after all this time im rlly close to figuring out EXACTLY what my combo is and i just require like some tweaking. So yea, how do i tell bw 8(w7 if that helps) w a cp or p fix and ALSO soc/sx vs sx/soc 8? Ughhhh this is so frustrating im so close

cont:  Ah fuck, follow up cuz i forgot smth. What prompted me questioning whether im a cp or p fix is that i saw the distinction that when smth goes wrong p6 blames themselves and cp6 blames others or like chance. I rlly dont relate to that and i often take taking responsibility for myself and my actions to the extreme actually. That being said, i dont much relate to the well, i dont wanna be rude but its the most descriptive thing that comes to mind - lack of spine, i guess, of p6, but again, maybe tahts just my 8 talking? ______________________________________________________________

I’m going to be honest here, I think Chestnut’s countertype theory focuses too much on behavior rather than motivation as has lead to countless mistypes (ie. soc 8 mistyping as a 9 I think is almost unheard of irl despite what she says, unless the 8w9 in question is delusional, has a heavy wing lean, and/or grossly underestimates their own anger and disagreeableness, which I suppose happens on occasion).  Saying that 8 would mistype as 2 or 9 due to somewhat catering to the group is an exaggeration.  In general, I don’t suggest trusting those descriptions, especially if you potentially relate to soc a lot and 8 a lot when viewed separately.   I think part of the issue you’re having here typing might be that you’re “not seeing the forest for the trees” (which is pretty common for Ne doms tbh, as they can be blinded by potential.), so if you find that what I say here isn’t super helpful to you, it may be worth exploring IV as separate to core as separate to your probable cp or p6 fix.

While I don’t really think differentiating p or cp6 is super relevant on a fix (as it won’t change a bunch of things), it’s worth noting that the boundary is not a fixed black and white plane.  Often, I’ve heard even 6 fixers note a back and forth between which strategies they take (p or cp wise) when dealing in the realm of fear and head matters.  Taking from the only person I’ve seen who potentially has a phobic preference attached to heavy 8 influence (ie. a 386, for reference), I find that a more phobic influence attached to 8 tends to look for “a safety zone” within trusted others and leads to an 8 who is a bit more communicative and obvious about their fears (unintentionally) than your average 8 (since 8 in general is averse to showing weakness).  86x combos, especially those which are not soc blind, tend to place a lot of importance on loyalty, hence an 8 with a more phobic preference seems to specifically lean on structure or having someone to have their back unconsciously/in a way they hope is not noticeable to others or they might even deny a lot more than one with a more cp preference.

The addition of a 6 fix isn’t going to magically emulate sp, if you related to S?/sp before, you might want to look into so/sp, as any 86x combo is likely to appear pseudo sx anyways due to the level of reactivity and intensity that comes with double reactive combos in general (however I’m not one to tell people what they are and what they aren’t, so if you’re confident in sp blindness, feel free to ignore; I’m going to talk about all three instincts for sake of organization)

Sx is the instinct most connected to its own instincts and desires.  8 and 7 both are id types, hence both fixated or instant gratification of desire and specifically have the vices of lust and gluttony respectively.  Understanding that conjunction, we can understand that a sx 8w7 would not only be the most desirous types within the enneagram but the one with the least self-control.  Without a concern for mental and physical limitations (ie. sp blindness) and with catering for others only being a secondary focus, sx/so 8w7 is inclined in average health levels to almost single-mindedly pursue its desires, often regardless of risk nor how they will be perceived (unless of course it threatens other sx desires of course).  Comparatively to so/sx at least, it will be more disagreeable and reckless by nature.

Soc by comparison is the instinct most connected on power dynamics and unconsciously, so I suppose we could argue that Chestnut’s description at least caught onto the fact that soc 8 would often be the least disagreeable of the 8s.  8, by the mechanics of the type, however, will never be disconnected from anger and are by nature disagreeable and even as the “countertype” that is no exception.  Focused on gaining power and avoiding being limited by any means, both so/sp and so/sx are inclined to be more “calculating” than the other 8 subtypes (though still moved by instinct and impulse; We are not talking about the level of calculation of 5 or 6).  The blatant aggression and desire of 8 will be somewhat tempered by comparison by an understanding of how to navigate power dynamics and understanding of how their actions effect the group (though this will not always force them to yield). Desires may also connect directly to the group or community as well, which I suppose may be where she’s getting the 2 bs, but 8 is by nature a self-serving type by comparison. So/sx still lacks sp, so while more self-controlled than sx/so, so/sx is not considered to be self-controlled and maintains that lack of knowledge on personal limits.

[funkymbtifiction]

f confusion

If you have time/feel like it, can I ask your opinion on something? I’ve been reading Lenore Thompson’s personality book — and it’s causing me some confusion. I found myself nodding along to her description of Fe (ordering people in terms of relationship in list) up until she comments that if you re-ordered your list due to a falling out of some sort, you were being subjective, which I’m assuming she’s using interchangeably for “introverted intuition” which made me hesitate.

Without a direct quote from the book (which I don't have in front of me) I can't speak to her meaning, but I do know taking one thing out of context and allowing it to shake up everything you know about yourself is not the way to go; if you relate 90% to her in-depth Fe-dom descriptions, which includes all the weaknesses of inferior Ti, then you are likely Fe-dom. If you relate 10%, you are not. Majority rules. Minor nitpicks are unimportant.

All things considered, my core 9 probably fakes a lot of stereotypical Fe, but recently someone crossed a line, insulting my family (however unintentionally). I was absolutely furious, shaking with fury. I got closure, sort of, but the damage had been done in my head. Angrily, I mentally re-ordered my list of friends (the people who were outraged on my behalf at the top, and the one who had done the hurt at the bottom). It’s an unhealthy method, for sure, but it’s not the first time I’ve cut myself off emotionally from someone after they’ve crossed a line of mine (usually my belief in kindness and being there for/supportive of your family). I’m still polite to these people, feel empathy for them, but there’s a great part of me that has been shut down for them.

Yup, that's a core 9 all right. Shut down. Ignore. Numbing. Passive-aggressive avoidance. #SoDone. Has nothing to do with Fe vs Fi.

I get frustrated and angry when people don’t do what is right and proper.

Strong 1 wing, I am guessing?

I’m not able to see the Fi route of “everyone has an opinion and is allowed to have it," theoretically I believe in that because I was taught it by my parents, but I often internally cannot comprehend how people see things so differently from me — though the difference absolutely fascinates me from a scientific standpoint — and why they can’t just understand how I see things: how their view of things are so openly skewered to their own dated beliefs, instead of believing in things that ultimately do the most good to the general public.

They can't see how you understand things, because they have not lived your life.

You cannot understand how they see things, because you have not lived theirs. It's that simple.

The most you can do with people is agree to be civil in your disagreements and allow each other to explain their side. The latter bit of what you said, I do not know how to say this in any way that is not rude, but that's not Fe or Fi -- that's an immature judging function that is still basing its conclusions on "whatever *I* see as right, YOU MUST AGREE WITH" -- and I have seen people of all types do it. By judging them for having a view of things so "openly skewed to their own DATED beliefs" you are putting yourself on a higher moral pedestal than them, as someone who is "enlightened." Truth is, they may be right and you may be wrong. When you approach people with an attitude of "I am enlightened and you are not," you have already lost the debate and really have no interest in knowing what formed their opinion, because you already have prejudged it as wrong.

"General public" usually means a social Enneagram core; I've noticed soc-firsts put group welfare ahead of personal survival, regardless of being Fe or Fi, because they know their survival relies on the group welfare.

Most of my values have come from my parents, or my favorite stories — but I can’t tell if that’s introverted sensation, or extraverted feeling.

It doesn't have to be either one; no one is born in a void. Fi typically does not know what its internal values are until it encounters something that gives it a livid NOPE reaction out of the blue. And Fi, unlike Fe, will totally refuse to pretend anything different, even if it makes them a social outcast. This can be as stupidly simple as not saying "yes, the food is wonderful!" if you actually hate the green beans, while a bunch of people chorus around you at the dinner table, "oh, it's wonderful!" or finding yourself absolutely incapable of lying to your best friend when she asks, "Does this make my butt look fat?"

I definitely also agreed with some Fi things too — like recently I’ve realized I’m happiest when I know my writing is doing something that truly matters, when I’m standing for a cause I’m really passionate about, when I see how it makes people feel, I love making people feel seen and heard, and I want to use my talents to incite change. I’m also extremely sensitive to criticism, hard on myself to an outrageous degree, and I’ve got that habit of literally not ever being able to open up about my feelings.

Most of this is general Human Being stuff. Most people don't want to waste their life doing meaningless things; most people do not bother involvement in causes they do not care about; most feelers want to make other people feel good; most feelers (and some thinkers) want to open up avenues for others to succeed; and a lot of people dream about changing things. Being sensitive to criticism is a feeler trait, being hard on yourself is a 1 wing trait, and repression of feelings can be introversion, shyness, self-consciousness, or Fi's ability to "deal with my problems on my own, alone in my room."

I always relate things to myself, and if my friends are going through something I usually ask myself how I’d feel in their shows and attempt to (usually clunkily) move forward with that, and I’m extremely empathetic (I was banned from watching the animal planet as a child bc watching the animals hurt or worse made me spend the entire day crying).

That sounds more like Fi. For the latter: aww. Same. I still can't watch Animal Rescue shows, since I shift between feeling awful for the poor things and wanting to enact terrible vengeance on their abusive owners.

- ENFP Mod

[battlestar-royco]

(1/?) I was thinking about this earlier. About how some people when they headcanon characters as POC they might mean well but sometimes those headcanons depending on the characterization, description of the characters can really turn yikes really quick. Especially if the fandom latches on to a problematic description of a character. And then forget to think about racial stereotypes when headcanons characters as POC. The reason I bring this up is that I was in a fandom that did this and did this

(2/?) and did this a lot. And I understand that while they may have meant well with their headcanons when you look at the characters and their descriptions and just how many stereotypes were (unintentionally) used it goes fucking yikes to hell and back. And now to bring it to the present day and the fandom is now dead. And there's a character in the new book I imagine to be a black girl even though she's described with milky white skin. Now, normally this wouldn't be a problem. But well(3/3) the character buys other magic people to add to her magic gang and she's a big criminal (but then again even the heroes are criminals at this point). So what I'm wondering is my imagining of this character as a black girl is wrong (said character is also a young teenager in the book about 11 to 14 at the oldest) and problematic. I mean I've accidentally done problematic shit with headcanoning characters as poc in the past and I really don't wanna do it again.

Okay so this automatically makes me think of Ronan from TRC---a debacle I don’t know too much about as an outsider to the fandom, but still. There was some discussion around how R is coincidentally (?) the more criminal character in the ensemble and the character who is most often headcanoned as black. I think it’s definitely fair to consider which characters are being headcanoned as POC and why, and the way characters of color get ~fanonized~, for lack of a better term. With the R thing, I could totally see why that would be an issue, and yet I can also see why some people interpreted Steve Otter’s statement about it as her trying to dictate who they could ID with in her mostly white series. And the SOC fandom has had its issues with characterizing Jesper as the unintelligent comic relief, lack of respect for Kuwei, and sexualizing Inej.

Not knowing the context of the book you’re reading, I can’t really say one way or the other. I generally try to avoid telling other people what they can and can’t hc in terms of diversity because it just doesn’t feel right to me (unless it’s very obviously stereotypical/discriminatory), but if I were you, and if I were really worried about this hc, I would maybe ask someone in the fandom who knows more? Also in general, I just go by the fandom’s greater headcanons, so maybe I’m not the best person to ask? You could also just say fuck it and hc everyone in the book as POC (unless the character is written as a racist) 💀💀💀. Tried and true method. The most important thing for me, I’ve always found, is just seeing the other takes that are in the fandom from a wide range of bloggers.

[porcelaindarlin-blog]

God Dammit Ponyboy Imagine

*A/N*: More fan fiction of characters coming up next. I’m thinking Two Bit next?

Prompt: “Sorry for not being as smart as you.”

Warnings: cursing?

Word Count: 4,793

I looked around the room seeing the tapping of my pencil was becoming a nuisance to the class. I didn’t care though. I continued to tap my pencil a little louder this time.

“Now finals are right around the corner. I expect everyone’s study guide on my desk by Thursday and Ms. Y/L/N, please control your pencil.”

The class erupted in snickers. I rolled my eyes, in a nonchalant way of course, at the teachers “desired” shout out. The bell freeing me from this hell whole. I rushed towards Ponyboy’s locker which was only a few lockers down from mine.

“Hey hot stuff” I said looking up at the greaser.

“I don’t think Talia would be okay with you calling me that.” Ponyboy said with a wink

“I don’t think I care. She shouldn’t be jealous, we’re not together anymore.” I shot back.

Ponyboy and I weren’t in a romantic relationship anymore. I never really understood why he left me for Talia, his new girlfriend. I just don’t see what he sees in her.

“Well I’ll be over to study at 5.” I said going towards my locker.

“Um well actually -

“Can you believe Ms. SmokeDetector had the audacity to embarass me infront of the class by telling me to stop tapping my pencil?” I said cutting Ponyboy off…unintentionally of course.

“Oh um okay but can you -” Ponyboy tried to speak again but I was already walking away.

“See you at five!” I said disappearing into the crowd of impatient students trying to get out the door.

4:30 rolled around and I figured it would be a good time to start walking towards the Curtis’s house. Now they weren’t super far from my house but it did take a good 20 minutes to get to them. I stepped inside greeted by the usual chaos. “Oh Hey Y/N” The guys rung. I gave them all a simple wave and made my way upstairs. It was odd how Ponyboy’s door was closed instead of open how it usually is.

I opened the door and I was a shocked and a little pissed off when I saw Ponyboy and Talia kissing. They seemed on the brink of indulging in sexual intercourse. “Woah kids let’s keep it PG in here.” I said plotting myself on Ponyboy’s chair.

“Oh I didn’t know you would be coming this early and I was trying to tell you tha-”

“Ponyboy you don’t have to explain why you were doing what you were doing I could care less.” I lied. I always loved when Ponyboy got embarassed. His cheeks would become rose, his words would clog up.

“If anything she can study with us.”

“Oh I’d rather not.” Talia said back. I cocked my eyebrow unimpressed at her comment. I bent down to take out my english book. When I rested the English book on Ponyboy’s desk, they were kissing again. I snapped my fingers trying to get his attention. He looked up at me for a second then made his way to the chair I was sitting in. I got up and sat in the other available plastic chair.

“Okay so a Ghazal Poem is a poem form with rhyming couplets and a refrain, each line sharing the same meter. It is a… oh god.” I looked out and boom they were going at it again, in the chair! I sighed in annoyance.

“Do you want me to leave?” I said avoiding contact with him.

“No no you’re good continue.” Ponyboy assured.

“Thank you. So a Ghazal Poem is a poem form with rhyming couplets and a refrain, each line sharing the same meter. So basically they end with the same word?” I said questioning my theory.

“Actually it’s a bit more complicated. If you’re in the "accelerated” class you should know that.“ Talia said questioning my intelligence. Blood began to boil. My leg began to shake. While getting it through my teeth, I said "Well Sorry I’m not as smart ad you.”

I grabbed my books and left. I halfed expected Ponyboy to be behind me. I turned around and all I could see was the dimly lit streets of Tulsa. Out of all people her? Like what the fuck. She is a complete idiot. Yea she may be pretty but she is such a ditz. I turned into the lot. My legs were so shaky I couldn’t continue.

A few minutes past, 15 at the least. I began to hear the pitter patter of feet. I froze not knowing how to react. If I ran for it and it was a Soc, I was gonna get chased after. But if I stay put and hide, I may aswell get beat up. I slowly picked up my backpack as I heard the footsteps coming closer.

“Y/N Wait..” I heard the familiar voice said.

“Ponyboy don’t you have an Albert Einstein girlfriend to interact with?” I said beginning to walk the direction my house is in.

“Wait please. You forgot your book…” Ponyboy said pleading.

I stopped in my tracks turning around slowly. I walked towards him keeping my eyes focused on the book in his hand. When I tried reaching for the book his swiped his hand away putting it around my waist. He pulled me closer and kissed with every bit of compassion in him.

“Can we try again?” He asked. I nodded my head trying to hide my dark red cheeks.

A/N: I didnt know what to name the teacher and in the mist of writing this my smole detector kept beeping. So there you have Ms.SmokeDetector