#suffering jobber

[wrestlingarsenal]

[hunksexydefeat]

A jobber can usually be identified in the underground gay wrestling wild by the skimpiness of his gear. Take, for example, handsome stud Nick stuffing his sizable goods into a banana yellow thong. By the rules of PWP’s (very scripted) wrestling matches, Nick must now suffer humiliation by getting pummeled into submission, knocked out with a head grinding brain buster, and ko’ed again in a slow sleeper hold. All the while, Nick’s opponent takes care to hold up the limp unconscious jobber to give the cameraman multiple angle shots of Nick’s package bulging out in all the right places.

From pwpwrestling’s Jeff vs Nick

[selamat-linting]

more LA knight lore. credit to the guys on discord for bringing this up first (you know who you are lol)

engagement ring seller by day, softcore porn professional wrestler by night. imagine that! the contrast of being the model of what a cishet guy should look and act, and becoming a mean evil hunk who crushes jobber for a living! (seriously, there's some vids of him suffering but his dick rick persona was there on the underground circuit mostly as the top/dominant role)

this is his old bio. 6'2, arrogant, and self absorbed. turns out i might have a type!

also bonus, he still wrestled in bgeast and other similar sites even when he got a steady employment with his tna gig!

[alphacockyheel]

Awe jobber twink, you stepped on the mat so you need to suffer!

[guywrestlingaddiction]

That Wrestling Moment: Hey Jealousy - Jonny Firestorm v Reese Wells (bgeast.com)

It's a wrestling tale as old as time. Just when you start to get good at something, you find out that you're already past your prime. Today we look at the jealousy of Jonny as he rips-apart Reese.

Jonny Firestorm v Reese Wells (bgeast.com) SPOILER ALERT: I highly recommend viewing this match in its entirety before reading this post.

The Backstory We enter on a taught and fit Reese, in peak condition and ready to prove himself. Bronzed and strapping, those lean muscles have never faced a challenge they couldn't overcome.

Next we're met with Jonny arriving fully covered up in a bathrobe, sizing up the young challenger.  I can almost imagine him reflecting on his own youth and nostalgic for earlier times.

Jonny: What do we have here? 

Jonny: I used to be built like that once ...

The Action

Jonny is a true pro gay wrestler, the man knows how to throw a jobber around and excels at the fine art of showing him off to boot.  But what Jonny doesn't get at first is just how talented the new kid is.  Not only does the kid have him beat physically, that much is sure, but he also has him matched in wrestling gravitas.  

At some point it's clear that this is more than just about winning.  Jonny has come to wrestle his own feelings out and beat those same feelings into Reese.  

Suddenly something shifts during the match.  Maybe Reese is just too quick or maybe Jonny just couldn't keep up with the young buck, whatever it was, a fatal error was made and Reese claims a win over the more experienced Jonny.  

It was bad enough that Jonny had to suffer the humiliation of youth besting his experience, no Reese had to take it a step further and shove that fit, tight body in his face.  

Jonny: Did that just happen?! What the hell do you think you're doing?!

The Moment 

And just as suddenly, jealousy has crossed over into rage.   Our match concludes with a victorious Reese relishing in his triumph over the heel.  Now I say this is the conclusion of the match because from this point on, it's no longer a match, this is all about settling scores.  

In fact, this isn't about the match at all but really about an experienced wrestler fighting against time itself. If Jonny can only pound enough experience into this young buck then maybe, just maybe, he can feel that nostalgia again.

This wrestling moment is all about the feelings brought out in me and isn't that what artistic expression is truly meant to do? For you see, the feeling of a seasoned heel pounding his feelings into a young jobber is what gay wrestling is all about. I can almost feel the jealousy radiating from Jonny, which makes sharing in his eventual gratification all the sweeter.

Jonny: I...I'm the man.  (Yes Jonny, you certainly are)

[2manykinks]

Jonny Firestorm's glorious devastation of shiny blue jobber Jake Jenkins. I am not exaggerating when I tell you ... I couldn't move past jacking off to this photo set (and the video these stills come from) for MONTHS. Even now, when I see photos like this reblogged, it gives me pause.

I have always been into both of these men ... and seeing them barefoot and sweaty, and wearing pitch-perfect gear, and Jake suffering again and again and again ... it's easily one of BGEast's top 10 videos of ALL time. And it's no wonder: these are 2 of BGEast's top 10 wrestlers of ALL time, too.

[menonlywrestling]

JOBBER TAG TEAMS Part 1

These Jobber Tag Teams, with their terrible win loss records, just don't give up. Because they love pro wrestling, even when it leads to endless beatings, humiliations and brutal fuckings by superior teams. They stupidly believe that one day they can rise through the ranks and begin to dominate, but it's unlikely. At least they provide some erotic entertainment for some of us fans, who enjoy watching them slowly get taken apart in the ring. Seeing their hot bodies get battered, seeing them suffer in long held holds and hearing their pained moans and groans.

It would be interesting to see some of these jobber teams face off against each other.

[kris48]

Jobber in perfect gear, caught in a bearhug, heel enjoying his suffering...

[sepublic]

Ninjago's power scaling is ridiculous because like. I get not wanting to constantly escalate the threat more and more after each season, because then you'll suffer massive DBZ-level power creep.

But on the other hand, this means you have the ninja, who have conquered wave after wave of world-ending threats, struggling against some random jobber whose only gimmick is having two flamethrowers. That's it. She doesn't have any special training or experience, nothing compared to what the ninja have amassed. We've got the Masters of Fire and Water, as well as a titanium robot with Ice powers.

Gee, who would win in Season 12; Nindroids built using Zane's upgraded schematics, armed with laser guns, the chosen army of the embodiment of all evil? Or some regular human thugs fresh out of prison... I get that the good guys aren’t allowed to reap the benefits of antagonists because the heroes always have to struggle so villains are nerfed when they switch over to their side but jeez. Ronin and the cops should be a complete non-issue for the ninja, especially by Crystalized.

Watching the finale of S7 is kinda hard to take seriously because like. Acronix and Krux don't have powers when they're fighting Kai, Nya, and Wu inside of the Iron Doom. It'd be one thing if being inside of the Iron Doom allows them to re-access their powers, even without holding the Time Blades directly, but no. They're just two regular guys with swords. Meanwhile we have Wu, who is already enough to defeat one of said guys when he's powerless, so really he should be doing that while Kai and Nya gang up on Krux and use their I dunno ELEMENTAL POWERS AND SPINJITZU. You're telling me the Hands of Time have them at sword-point and Wu has to make a big sacrifice to save them???

Like. I can't help but feel like clever writing can be done to avoid these situations by making the enemies actually fantastical enough to be a reasonable challenge, but not the biggest baddest thing the ninja have encountered yet. Or we could even have some decent-looking villain show up and talk hot shit about how they’re undefeated, only for the ninja to just immediately obliterate them within a few seconds and just move on because guys like that are a dime a dozen at this point.

This is why Kai making a fool out of Cinder was peak, it made actual sense given everything Kai has faced and he even brings it up, and Cinder needed a special magical power-up to win afterwards. But once they’re on equal ground with Kai getting his own power-up, he goes back to thrashing Cinder.

[wrestlingarsenal]

Nice slow squash match here! An aggressive, seemingly angry Bret Hart delivers a stiff beating on a flamboyant jobber in brightly colored trunks: Chance Meyers. This humiliating jobber beating from 1985 was recently posted on YouTube.

Maybe this unfortunate wimp somehow pissed off the "Hitman" backstage. Or maybe Bret felt that those skimpy, rose-colored briefs disrespect the sport of rasslin, so he wants to punish this sissy-boy for wearing them. For whatever reason, Bret wants to harm this less skilled, less aggressive opponent (and for whatever reason, I'm turned on by it.). He uses his legendary Excellence of Execution to waste this weakling!

What caught my eye were the frequent crotch-shots, with a stunned Meyers opening his thighs wide and presenting his taint and bulge for our viewing pleasure. Is he deliberately degrading himself, knowing that many fans will eat that up?

Emasculation and humiliation seem to be the themes of the match: the panty-wearing wimp's helplessness and lack of agency contrasted with the supremacy of the masculine male in black. Power imbalances between two men can feel wonderfully homo-erotic.

We are invited to sit back and enjoy this Alpha Male inflicting whatever abuse he wishes on the nearly-naked bleach blond. Bret controls his prey and toys with the man, gradually wearing away any resistance to his authority.

In the end, a climactic Flying Fist Drop off the top rope leaves Meyers once again wide open to the camera as the ref counts him out. The defeated male is limp and deflated, as if he's in a post-coital stupor.

[camelclutchfan]

Grinning heel, suffering jobber dude

[hunksexydefeat]

Z-man wears his skimpiest red bikini in a custom fan made match against Talon, which means he is doomed to suffer the fate of all sexy jobbers. A dragon sleeper hold has the poor muscle hunk gasping for air as his hands wildly grasp at nothingness. Soon, Z-man’s arms grow leaden and heavy before slumping limply at his sides. His mangled twisted body falls back onto the mat on full display to the leering victor and the lucky cameraman who gets to pan over his lifeless and still form.

From Thundersarena’s Custom Video Series 26

[kafkaoftherubble]

再谈JJK 236五条悟的心理刻画// I want to talk about Gojo's psychology in chapter 236 again 

I'm quite happy to say that my thoughts on CH236 have evolved—even if I still greatly dislike many of its executions, pacing, logic, and other storytelling issues. Previously, one of the things that really pissed me off is the character derailment Gojo Satoru suffered in CH236.

I'd mentioned before that the idea of the afterlife dream sequence is massively appealing to me. It's just that there are so many little things in it that sounded wrong enough that in the end, I wondered if I was looking at Mahito's Idle Transfiguration at work. As one person familiar with the JP side of Twitter reportedly saw (take it with a reasonable grain of salt for there is no link to the tweet, but no big deal):  "Gojo sensei didn't just die, it feels like his soul was killed as well."

However, unlike many detractors, my gripes were not centered on "Gojo dickriding Sukuna jobber mindset." I actually think the self-deprecation was perfectly valid for the human Satoru (my previous rant had more details on this). I thought it was humanizing to see him freely admitting his vulnerabilities. 

I was more offended at his downplaying his achievements as though he never had a chance. I thought someone who was as enlightened as he is in judging a person's strengths and weaknesses should be better at assessing his own feats instead of sounding like my pathetic ass whenever I talk about myself. I know I have a rather abysmal self-esteem issue, but nothing in the story indicated Satoru as possessing that trait. That loss of measured self-assessment was one of the things that made me reel. But after reading some comments on this Reddit post, I've come to realize I forgot a very important piece of context:

This is Satoru after he lost.  

Being the strongest was, by all the web of causes around him (his birth, the way people regard him, the things people keep pointing out about him, the system's assessment of him, etc.), a huge part of Satoru's sense of self. It did not necessarily matter if he himself truly believed "being the strongest" was all there was to him. See, even in the real world, there is no "true self" (yes, "there is no self" is one of my most steadfast scientific +/philosophical stances). There is, however, a social self; a person's sense of self is porous and dependent on the environment and society (which can break up into communities) they exist in, and it reflects back to the person who comes to accept it as their own personal narrative. Being the strongest was part of Satoru's fable; the world around him even decided that it was his raison d'être.  

So when he lost, it dealt a really hard blow to his understanding of who he believed he was. It didn't matter if he was enlightened in his judgment of people. One of the statements everyone, including himself, had taken as a fact had just been completely disproven. Why wouldn't he then express doubt on the rest of the "I am the strongest" narrative? Why wouldn't he start to become skeptical of his strengths and feats, to the point of seeing the opponent who bested him as more powerful than Sukuna really was?  

It's just another glimpse into his humanity. Who among us feels not a shred of self-doubt when we fail at what we believed we were good at?  

In this light, it became easier for me to reappraise his expression of doubt.

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There was a part when he made it sound as though he was trying to reach out to Sukuna and shit "all along", seemingly at the expense of his students, colleagues and adopted son. Make no mistake, the omission of his students and the goals Satoru made as himself (instead of as "the strongest") in this afterlife dream thingy is still bad.

Reaching out to Sukuna, though? I don't think it's necessarily OOC.  

See, Satoru shared many traits and inspirations from Shakyamuni, the historical Buddha. In line with those references, it's my interpretation that Satoru does not actually exhibit egoism—I know, it runs counter to the dominant understanding of Gojo's psychology in the JJK community—but self-less-ness. 

Not selflessness as in "altruism", but anattā--one of the Buddha's realizations upon his awakening (and again, a concept I strongly support. My best friend can tell you how much I talk about this. Hell, my blog description says as much). The way I see it, Satoru's confidence in himself is no different from his confidence in other people—it's all rooted in what he perceives this given "person" is capable of. To him, "Satoru" is simply another person who happens to be really good at a lot of things and so deserves to be praised and uplifted as anyone else who's good at what they do; the fact that this person happens to be himself is irrelevant*.  

*Note: I once had a YouTube comment discussion with someone, who was surprisingly knowledgeable on Buddhist philosophy, regarding the blurry line between selfishness and selflessness in Gojo. It was great; we discussed anattā and śūnyatā and ended at the Mādhyamaka (Mahayana) school. There, I expounded on why I interpret Satoru as "self-less" instead of "enlightened selfishness" in greater detail. I intend to transcribe it and preserve it here someday. Not now, though!  

When I put that understanding into CH236's context, it no longer shocks me to see Gojo wanting to reach out to Sukuna. For a self-less being, there are no distinctions between them ("them-self") and other beings ("other selves"). They are all psychocausal processes in the form of persons. Sukuna is, therefore, "another person" in Satoru's eyes.

Sukuna is a person who's the strongest in his time and was worshipped and feared—not seen as human but as a calamity embodied in a living creature. Note that Satoru's empathy for Sukuna didn't make him condone Sukuna's way of living as "the strongest" (i.e. hedonistic egoist) even in his bare-my-soul afterlife sequence; he merely expressed an understanding of Sukuna's psychology. That understanding led to Satoru expressing compassion to a person who was burdened by being too strong at the top—it was even doubly easy for him to empathize because of Satoru's own lived experience. You can see why Satoru then tried to alleviate Sukuna's suffering in a way he believed could work: giving his all, through humor, etc. These are likely what Satoru wanted someone else to do for him.  

You can trace this same attitude in the way he mentored his students. He didn't hold back much (ask Yuta and Hakari again how it feels to be punched by their sensei). He regaled his students (and sometimes colleagues) with excessive humor. He was unabashedly "giving his all"—his childishness and "annoying narcissistic ass" and insanity—to those he especially believed to be liable for being lonely, whether it's because of strength or perceived danger (Yuta, Yuji), circumstances (Yuji, Megumi), life experience (Maki, Nobara), mindset (Nanami, Hakari), etc. It could be gleaned even as far back as his interaction with Riko Amanai when he started to see her less as a job and more as "a person", and so recognized the sort of isolation and alienation Riko was starting to feel as a Star Plasma Vessel. He did the same thing with her—trying to alleviate her suffering through what he believed was best. And yes, he gave his all even back then (no sleep for 3 days, guys.)

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Gah the translator for this chapter is fucking amazing! I'm jealous! Also, "I love everyone" is poignant, I think, as it paralleled what was in his head during his awakening ("I don't hate anyone.") 

The choice Gege made in depicting the "flower" as lotuses has become subject to various theories. After all, it symbolizes rebirth in some cultures and interpretations. I think it's a valid point for his comeback theories (though I dare not allow myself to hope), but those aside, I actually simply thought of it as yet another allusion to Satoru's connection to Sakyamuni.

Pink lotuses symbolize Buddhahood—a bloomed one is a Buddha; a bud is a Buddha in the making. In Mahayana Buddhism, everyone supposedly has a Buddha nature and is therefore capable of liberation the way Sakyamuni did. They simply need the knowledge (dhamma)... and The Noble's Eightfold Paths/The Noble Eightfold Path taught by a teacher, of course. Gotta subscribe to the course, aye? 

This translation actually made me realize that yes, Satoru did mention his students... in a very annoyingly subtle way. 

I don't think these lotuses refer to himself. I think they refer to his students. 

Hear me out. His goal has always been to raise a generation that could all be strong, so that no one has to be lonely again... including Gojo Satoru (a.k.a. himself), because this would be a world that no longer needs him. To match it with the Buddhist allegory: Satoru, "the Buddha", is trying to raise all of these lotus flowers ("buddhas-in-making") to bloom.  

He can make his students bloom (his goal of raising them). He can admire his students (he's proud of them). But he cannot tell his students to "understand him."

Ultimately, he seems to think his students—or anyone, really—don't actually understand how lonely it is to be up here. He doesn't resent it ("I don't feel lonely now"), but it's still an experience that predisposed him to find some resonance in Sukuna. I find it plausible that perhaps, in Satoru's mind, Sukuna is no different from his students in some regards. It certainly fits the trait of a Buddha/Boddhisattva—to be capable of compassion even to creatures and beings most of us wouldn't be.  

(Or maybe this feeling comes even more easily considering the fact that Sukuna is wearing Megumi's face.) 

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Now, I know this is already a long read, but my evolved thoughts are not done yet! This is concerning what I previously saw as the biggest character assassination: Nanami and Haibara's comment on Satoru's character. They basically painted him as a dude who really just did it for his pleasure and no loftier goals. The fact that Satoru didn't even deny it was just crap.

But someone pointed out that the face he made was a frown—Satoru was actually upset that this was what Nanami believed.

Now, I've always been crap at discerning emotions, which extend to expressions. I've interpreted his expression as Satoru feeling embarrassed for being called out or accused. But honestly, it also makes sense to think that this is Satoru frowning at the fact that he's still being misunderstood even after death. He likely didn't bother to correct Nanami because he rather asked Nanami how he felt when he died.  

And that, I think, actually dives into heavy meta.  

A sizeable number of those who decry Satoru as OOC in his death were upset that the man didn't show his signature self-assuredness, arrogance, and "winner mindset" (this is the gripe I personally disliked the most because it's close to turning Satoru into this Alpha Male egoist role model), and is all-around "acting like a jobber." It's as if they like Satoru because he's the strongest—not because he's Gojo Satoru.  

Some, meanwhile, were seething to see him praising Sukuna and trying to reach out to him, calling it OOC glazing, meatriding, etc.  

Even those who like him for his character and traits, such as myself, ended up upset at what we believed Satoru was not showing.  

Satoru is showing a side of his humanity and it was confusing to a lot of us in big and small ways, for different reasons. A good chunk of it is still, I maintain, the problem with Gege's execution. 

But in a meta-sense... 

It kinda shows that we don't understand him completely either.  

We're kinda being Nanami here. We think we get Gojo Satoru, but then sometimes, we don't... at least not until we try to understand him on his own terms. 

What's Gojo famous for?

For being the strongest, most handsome motherfucker who's cool and cocky as fuck with cool-ass OP powers and all that meme-worthy stuff.

He's famous for being Gege's "most hated character," for the jokes about him having zero personality, etc.

Famous for being MAPPA's golden child with glossy ass lips and eyes that burden their animating budget.

He's sexy and hot; fuck did you see what he did to Jogo in Shibuya? He's feral and insane; fuck did you see what he did to Hanami? Or that time he turned Toji into a donut? He's bombastic and larger than life.

He sometimes feels unreal, like an alien. Some people hate him, and some people adore him to bits.  

But it takes some digging and analysis for us to realize that Gege lied about him having no personality. Because Satoru is one of the most fleshed-out characters he's ever created. He had more human sides to him that surprised even us—we didn't know he was capable of self-deprecation. We didn't know he was so compassionate he tried to reach out to the villain as if he was Naruto fucking Uzumaki. We suspected other things, like his loneliness at the top, but most of us believed Satoru was more gleeful and smug about being at the top than being angsty about it.  

Maybe this was what Gege was trying to do. Or...maybe he didn't intentionally try to do this, and simply fumbled and messed up his way to genius meta-hood (honestly who knows by this point).

Either way, CH236 could be read as an experiment on how right Satoru was about him never being understood. There are just that many larger-than-life projections/assumptions imposed on him—with "he's the strongest" as the most dominant narrative. He was a "living creature" experiencing alienation and dehumanization, even when surrounded and loved by his admirers and supporters, despite sharing everyone's common thread of the human condition.

All he could do when we argued about how weird he was because he didn't fit what we believed... was to frown and move on.

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Extra thought:

I know it's a conspiracy theory by this point that Gege did Satoru dirty because Gojo is his least favorite character, but I really think Gege is joking. If CH236 sucks in its execution of Gojo's afterlife sequence, it's because Gege hasn't been doing emotional beats and characterization well for a long time by now. Not because he hates Gojo.

Think about it—Gege hasn't cared to pause the battle for some deep-cut emotional shit since the Culling Game arc, and yet CH236 is where the battle takes the backstage (so backstage it's a fucking OFFSCREEN DEATH. COME ON, GREG!). Every panel in that chapter was drawn with details and care, and he took a step back from the fighting just to give Gojo even more characterization and flesh.  

Guys, I really think Gege loves Gojo.

Him bashing Gojo is him teasing Gojo the way Gojo teases other people like Utahime and Nanami and Megumi. He doesn't really know how to show his love for Gojo in the manga because his executions do miss, but I think he crafted Gojo lovingly. He fucking loves him. I think I'm actually willing to bet on this.

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The evolution of my CH236-centric ramble goes from here, to here, to this. I also wanna shout out to the answer in that Reddit post that helped me understand the emotional beat of CH236 better (which allowed me to realize something else). I don't have a Reddit account though. I ghost-read!

Thank you for reading my ramble.

[alphacockyheel]

Oh stop your whining jobber, I gave you two chances to get out of the match and you didn’t take them! No ref means no mercy and now you need to suffer!

[class1akids]

I remember seeing either a youtube vid or some post joking about Dabi being incompetent villain with the exception of his dramatic reveal video. Maybe that is less funny coincidence and more subtle hint that Dabi is subconsciously more reluctant about hurting non criminals than he lets on?

Yeah, it's been really frustrating that people called Dabi a "jobber" for so long.

But clearly, it was mostly about conserving his energy / body - because he had a single purpose mostly - to somehow make Endeavor suffer / pay attention. So he was not gonna burn his body for a cause he had no interest in, before that could happen.

But I think it became very clear how dangerous he can be during his confrontation with Hawks, and then clashing with Shouto revealed somewhat the scale of his power.

I definitely think he's been holding back sub-consciously a lot (like, he should have been able to incinerate Neijire if he really wanted to, but he wanted a reaction out of his father mostly) - and sometimes consciously as well. He's hurling himself into an abyss, but at the same time he's begging to be pulled back.

[kris48]

The lad is gasping for breath, trying to pull the knee away from his throat. Meanwhile flexing the muscles in his legs, trying to bridge out of the hold. Unfortunately for him, the heel grabs him in the balls to cause extra suffering. That's the fate of the jobber...