#the lackless box

[incorrect-kkc-theories]

The Yllish Story Knot on the Lackless box contains instructions on how to open it.

The Box itself contains 2 items: 1) Instructions on how to make the box.

2) A really clear glass marble, that was super hard to make to make 3000 years ago, and was a prize for whoever opened it.

Not their fault that it took so long and glass smelting advanced to such a degree.

[r0sebutch]

hey yall calling it now kotes thrice locked chest has kvothe (the name) inside. he locked his name away and adopted a new name, rather than changing his name entirely and getting rid of kvothe. he could be kvothe again, were he to get his name back, but he can’t unlock the chest, nor can he destroy it. like jax and the empty box full of the moon’s name. why else would we know that names can be put in boxes, if not because kvothe is in one?

[teccams-socks]

Laurian and the Chandrian

“Since you asked so sweetly, Cinder is the one you want. Remember him? White hair? Dark eyes? Did things to your mother, you know. Terrible. She held up well though. Laurian was always a trouper, if you’ll pardon the expression. Much better than your father, with all his begging and blubbering.”

My mind flashed pictures of things I had tried to forget for years. My mother, her hair wet with blood, her arms unnaturally twisted, broken at the wrist, the elbow. My father, his belly cut open, had left a trail of blood for twenty feet. He’d crawled to be closer to her. - The Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 104: The Cthaeh, pg 757

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       Kvothe’s graphic description of his parents’ murders, finally given to us in Book 2 thanks to the Cthaeh’s taunting. Sorry for bringing it up again.

It’s obvious here that though both were killed horribly, Laurian was tortured prior to her death, and Arliden was not. He was given one fatal gut wound, and though he died slowly, like Alleg later in the same book, he was dead as soon as he was wounded, “he just hadn’t stopped moving yet” (WMF, Chapter 132: The Broken Circle, pg 961).

Maybe Cinder tortured Laurian just because some people like torturing women more. That’s what I assumed when I first read it. But Haliax went with them on that escapade. Haliax stopped Cinder from tormenting young Kvothe, saying, “This one has done nothing. Send him to the soft and painless blanket of his sleep.... You are too fond of your little cruelties. All of you. I am glad I decided to accompany you today. You are straying, indulging in whimsy. Some of you seem to have forgotten what it is we seek, what we wish to achieve” (NotW, Chapter 16: Hope, pgs 128-129).

Haliax was there enforcing their goals, which means torturing Laurian had a purpose other than cruelty.

Kvothe tells us his parents were writing the song about Lanre together. Everything Arliden knew about them, Laurian knew as well. So she was not tortured for information about their sources, or anything to do with the song. (Unless the Chandrian assumed she would be more likely to talk than Arliden, which is unlikely, because with seven of them there, they could easily have tortured both of them at the same time.)

So Laurian knew something that Arliden didn’t know (or the Chandrian thought she did).

It’s pretty widely accepted that Laurian used to be Natalia Lackless, the missing Lackless sister (there are a million posts about it on reddit, and it’s even in her Wiki page).

So the Chandrian found a Lackless heir unprotected, in a place where no one would ever know she was dead, and seized their chance.

The most likely thing they wanted information on: the Lackless Box.

Whatever theories you subscribe to about what the Box is, what’s in it, and how to open it, there’s no doubt that it is Important. A secret as old as the Lackless family, that they guard closer than anything else.

If the Chandrian were trying to get information about it from Laurian, then it’s a secret that has been kept even from them.

The Cthaeh says she “held up well.” Does that mean she told them nothing before she died? That she told them lies? That she held out for a while, but then gave in? We can’t know yet.

But, it means the Chandrian are coming for the Lacklesses. Finding out more about the Box serves their purpose. Which means the people who know about the box: Meluan, Alveron, Aculeus (possibly), and Kvothe, are all in their crosshairs.

Maybe they can’t go after the prestigious Lacklesses because they are protected. Maybe they’ll try, and there will be some upheaval in Temerant. Maybe that’s why Cinder was trying to destabilize the Maer. I could talk maybes all day, but there’s one thing we know.

Kvothe has none of the protections of money and power that Alveron and Meluan have. And now he knows about the Box. True, the Chandrian don’t know yet that he knows, but it’s only a matter of time. After all, he was in the company of Meluan Lackless, and shortly thereafter started researching Yllish story knots. Why would he do that? Not even Yllish people know Yllish anymore.

TL;DR

The Chandrian are after the secrets of the Lackless Box. Now that Kvothe knows about it, they will come for him. And it’s likely he will find out that his mother was a Lackless.

[druggeddraccus]

Know what smells like lemons? The Ctheah, Lackless Box, Folly's Board made out of some odd wood *cough the Ctheah I'm guessing cough cough* and the thrice lockedbox (pretty sure the way to open that and Lackless' is to say its Name. I think Null Root does too but I think I'm mistaken.

Now this..I’m definitely gonna have to search my books. Luckily my best friend recently gave back my dog-eared copies of NOTW and WMF

Kotes thrice locked chest:  “aroma of citrus quenching iron”  made of roah–dark as coal pg 15

Mounting board: charcoal color (roah again, pg 25, doesn’t burn)–pg 23 “stink like old leather and clover”–when burnt.

Cthaeth–pg 680–”strange sweet smell, like smoke and spice and leather and lemon”–compelled to put it in his mouth–doesn’t remark on the colornoticed that they said “you’d think a man with coal-black eyes would make an impression when he stops to buy a drink”–a man such as that was described when skarpi was telling his story--pg 684

Lackless box: pg 921, smooth polished stone, dark enough to be roah, but deep red grain “smelled almost like lemon”–maddeningly familiar (cthaeh??)

Couldn’t remember a time where null root was mentioned so I wasn’t able to look it up. This is very interesting 

[twostepsfromtemerant]

NoTW notes chapters 1-6

Okay, this is really long, so I’m putting it under a cut. I have a lot of Thoughts about this book, and Rothfuss had to go and sprinkle important information all throughout everything, without actually answering any of the questions that get raised

Random Shit

“Now Taborlin needed to escape, but when he looked around, he saw his cell had no door. No windows. All around him was nothing but smooth, hard stone. It was a cell no man had ever escaped,” (4). Like the cell Elodin was in when he was in Haven. A cell designed to hold a Namer. 

Taborlin has an amulet that protects him from physical harm as well as demons, and is “cold as ice to touch,” (4-5). That seems like a gram

Thrice locked chest has locks of iron, copper, and one that could not been seen. Tonight the wood filled the room with the almost imperceptible aroma of citrus and quenching iron,” (15). Same scent as Lackless box/Cthaeh I think?

The mounting board for the sword says “Folly” which is a recurring theme

When a caravan comes to the inn, two of them are described as “Two young men, one sandy-haired, one dark, well dressed and well spoken,” (26) and later it is the sandy-haired one that recognized Kvothe. This is Sim and Wil and nothing can convince me otherwise

In one of the stories told about him, Kvothe tricked a demon to get his heart’s desire, and then killed an angel to keep it (46)

Timeline

Kote has only been in town for a year or so (5)

Doesn’t look even near thirty (11)

… three years ago no one would have even thought of locking their doors at night, let alone barring them,” (17). Kvothe started this war recently. It hasn’t been going on long, but is pretty intense. 

Sometime between the end of WMF and where we are in the frame story, Kvothe killed someone in Imre that caused all the cobblestones to crack near a fountain (28)

Kote shook his head. “It was a long time ago-”

“Not even two years,” Chronicler protested (44)

Kote vs Kvothe vs Innkeeper

He’s the innkeeper until he is perceived by the people in the inn. He’s the innkeeper when he says the thing about tinkers, and then “The men at the bar seemed almost surprised to see Kote standing there,” (5). 

Innkeeper when he says scrael “can’t have made it this far west yet,” (7).

He’s doing Kvothe shit, but obviously not Kvothe

“He called himself Kote. He had chosen the name carefully when he came to this place. He had taken a new name for most of the usual reasons, and for a few unusual ones as well, not the least of which was the fact that names were important to him,” (10). Carefully worded, it’s not He is Kote, it’s He calls himself Kote. And fun foreshadowing about Naming. 

Graham noticed “the innkeeper” looked sickly, the color of his hair and eyes is dulled, and his voice/gestures are subdued. There’s a whole bit about the color of his eyes, which is something that comes up again (22)

Becomes Kote when talking to Bast, after Graham leaves. 

“Using both hands, Bast held it up to him, looking for a moment like a squire offering up a sword to some bright-armored knight. But there was no knight there, just an innkeeper, just a man in an apron who called himself Kote,” (24).

“In the firelight his hair was impossibly red, his eyes a shocking, vibrant green” (35). This is Chronicler’s POV so he’s just “the man” or “the hooded figure” but it’s a distinct description of his hair and eyes

Become Kote when it switches to his POV when Chronicler passes out

The first time he is Kvothe is when he’s about to start his story (48)

Religion/mythology/history

Demons fear cold iron, clean fire, and the holy name of God (9)

When iron is pressed to the scrael, there’s a cracking sound, and “the sweet, acrid smell of rotting flowers and burning hair,” (10)

Scrael was taken to the priest who did “all the right things for all the wrong reasons,” (12). The body was burned in a deep pit with rowan wood. Same thing that happened to the draccus.

Townspeople think it’s a demon, implied by Kvothe to not be

Later, Kvothe tells Chronicler that it’s demons in the shape of big black spiders

Chandrian

Old Cob telling a story in the Waystone pg 3

“... cause the lamps on the wall were all burning blue”

“Everyone knows that blue fire is one of their signs”

[The Chandrian] were the first six people to refuse Tehlu’s choice of the path, and he cursed them to wander the corners—”

In the children’s song, the signs of Chandrian are blue fire, and man with eyes “black as crow”, and a man without a face (26-27)

Frame story plot

“Everyone knew that something bad had happened out on [Shep’s] farm last Cendling night, but since there were good friends they knew better than to press him for the details,” (5). 

No moon the night the scrael is discovered, so either it’s a new moon, or the moon has been stolen again. 

The Penitent King is having trouble with rebels in some far off place. No idea who that is, or what the rebels are rebelling against

“Listen friend, the king’s army is paying good money…” (18). Is this the Penitent King? A different one? 

Some sort of beast is attacking livestock in Newarre (31)

There are rebels to be fought in someplace called Meneras (32)

Languages 

Temic

Tehus antausa eha (14)

Unknown

Aroi te denna-leyan (14)

Fae

Anpauen (41)

Good Writing

“It was not a large road, or well traveled. It didn’t seem to lead anywhere, as some roads do,” (10). 

“Only priests and fools are fearless, and I’ve never been on the best of terms with God” (44).

“So this is the difference between telling a story and being in one,’ he thought numbly, the fear” (46)

[therealrichardfeynman]

hey @rhetoricandlogic @timelorddarthswagger

what do you think of the Lackless involvement with the Doors? they clearly have some associations via the song, and the box might have something to do with it. maybe it isn't just musicians fingers that enables Kvothe to feel the marks? maybe it's a namer/Shaper thing, and as he becomes a stronger Shaper it'll be more obvious? I don't have a ton of ideas here, just curious about yalls.

[sobbingoblin]

Phanfic Finder Fest (part 1)

1) Parenthood:                                                                                            “want to sleep next to you” by @onedirectionticketss1​/whatdoiknowx: Bed-sharing in different circumstances throughout the years. This is sweet, funny, and touching. I really like how it shows their relationship growing and evolving. There’s a little bonus guest at the end who had a nightmare :(  They call him bub :’)

2) De-aging/aged up:                                                                                        “slow love” by @capriciouscrab: Dan and Phil meet at speed dating. I’ve already re-read this fic an embarrassing amount of times. It is the sweetest and the cutest, complete with duck feeding! This Phil owns my heart!!!

3) Met online au:                                                                                          “best kept secret” by @alittledizzy: I love how this subverts the fake-dating trope, and they pretend to not be dating. This basically checks all my boxes: it  has really amazing characterization, dialogue, humor, romance, and introspection, a CAT

4)  Radio show era:                                                                                           “if none of this goes anywhere” by @templeofshame:  Phil imagines what their lives would be like if they work for the BBC. This is so unique, creative, and weird in the best way, and so very PHIL. I could practically hear this in Phil’s voice.

5) Missed train:                                                                                      “Tanabata” by Lackless: This is such a gorgeous fic with lovely imagery and symbolism. I love the story of how they met and the sweet, hopeful ending (with lots of pensive pining in between).

6) Phil in the hospital in 2018:                                                                        “My Baby Just Cares For Me“ by @drycerealthief: I love this realistic and tender hurt/comfort. It really captures Dan’s fear and his frustration with Phil’s stubbornness (and i love how he finally convinces Phil to go to the hospital).

7) Ft another language:                                                                                  "i'm half doomed and you're semi-sweet” by @leblonde: This fic feels like a beautiful love letter to Wales, with the all the gorgeous imagery, the language, and the mythology. The plot is amazing (featuring: magic! fairies! a helpful dog!), and the romantic longing is spectacular. I ached with both of them.

8) Magical realism:                                                                                    “never quite as it seems” by @phanbliss: Dan and Phil are non-youtuber best friends and roommates. Phil is secretly pining while having visions of Dan falling in love. Psychic Pining Phil!!! This is beautifully written and has an amazing ending.

9) Family issues:                                                                                 “Unveiled” by @intoapuddle: Dan and Phil meet at a wedding where they both feel out of place. I love their immediate physical connection and how quickly they bond emotionally. Dan is so caring and patient. Reading this felt like watching a really good romantic movie.

and another that’s a WIP:

“Balancing With A Diving Heart” by @tortitabby: Phil doesn’t fit in with his family, so runs away to join the circus. I’m really enjoying how Dan dislikes Phil at first, but they have to work together and learn to trust each other. And they were tentmates! (OMG they were tentmates!!)

10)Set in 2009:                                                                                                 “if it’s enough” by  @obsessivelymoody:  A wonderful fic about skyping before they meet in person.This is so well characterized and really captures Dan’s anxieties and their flirty nervous excitement with each other. Plus, they have conversation about connecting Phil’s freckles!! 

[vera-invenire]

So after doing that Top 6 meme I started poking around my old files and I found my notes for the Kingkiller Chronicles and dear god, I do not remember making this many. When did I do this??

There are pages. I even divided the notes into categories. Objects, locations, characters, speculation. Like, I remember taking some notes but this is ridiculous.

I’m sharing the brainstorming page, because why not. Maybe I’ll figure out a way to cut and clean it up to turn it into posts or something.

.NOTES.

Are we reading the story of the villain? 'Arcane' and 'Kingkiller' are very different people according to Chronicler. People are even saying K is a new Chandrian and Kingkiller definitely sounds like the name of a villain. Hah, he'd be like the anti-Taborlin.

“Her husband's rocks” - ward stones?

Broken Tree - broken family tree/line of descent?

Rennel trees - Bast falls from one ten years ago. But in Fae or in the mortal world? If in fae, then is the rennel tree a holdover from when Fae and the mortal world were closer? (I'm using 'mortal' for a shorthand, here)

Could the original Lady Lackless in the song (before it was updated) have been Lyra? She's the only other major female character who dates that far back, and only the last line seems to reference K’s mother.

Threpe urges K to call him by his given name, but in the story K always calls him Threpe. Could just be K's natural distance from nobles, but it might also be a hint that their relationship sours at some point and Threpe takes back the privilege of using his given name. Speculation - since K didn't tell Threpe everything about Alveron, Threpe thinks K was treated rather well. But now K is using the Maer's writ to steal not only from the University, but the Maer as well. If this gets out (and I think it will), Threpe is going to be understandably Not Pleased. Could lead to a falling out between the two.

The doors of stone - the Stormwal mountains? Heh, pretty big door, then. Or how about that dream K had about the double circle of waystones? That sounds more likely.

"The story is growing in the manor houses in the Cealdim and the workshops of the Cealdar, over the Stormwal in the great sand sea, and in the low stone houses of the Adem, full of silent conversation. And sometimes the story is growing in squalid backstreet bars, Dockside in Tarbean." <— Other major characters? For the second trilogy that I'm 99% sure is coming down the line?

I wonder if the Amyr burned Calupenta? I keep waiting to hear that they've done something horrible, but I haven't found any specifics beyond Gibea yet. At first I thought they might have been the ones to burn down the wedding (since there's that lovely picture on PR's blog of an Amyr burning down a house), but then I remember the rust and the rot and the blue flames Denna saw which points to the Chandrian, so that's out. Maybe, in a reverse image to K, the Amyr did something terrible to Denna in the past which puts her on a path leading to the Chandrian, the way K is drawn to the Amyr?

I wonder if K is not mentioning the problem with copper on purpose. If it can really withstand sympathy then that's not something arcanists would want to get about, which would explain a lot about the way certain things get glossed over in the class sections.

Cinder is Ash is Bredon. All three. Largely because there are no outright contradictions to the theory (which is amazing) and because it would be the most painful outcome for K. It would also fit well into K's 'was betrayed' statement.

Possibility: Lanre could have gone to the Cthaeh to get information to save Lyra, or maybe even used the flower. Bad things happened.

The first time D and K meet, they sit by a pool of water with two different greystones - one pointing to the sky, one pointing to the water. A symbol of their two different paths?

K tends to see D at crossroads, either physically or in their lives. The first time he left her, in fact, he said, "I'll see you where the roads meet." (I suspect this first meeting was embellished by K for storytelling purposes, but that would just make how he frames it more significant.)

When he goes to sleep in his parents' wagon, K says the candle must have started the fire. But I wonder, could it have been a 'cleanup crew' sent out there to destroy evidence of the Chandrian? The Amyr, maybe?

Newarre - nowhere or any(n-e)where, K thinks he’s so clever.

Tinue/Tinusa, Belen/Belenay-Barren? ‘How’s the road to Tinue’ as a relic from when Tinusa was the last city standing.

“A ring that's not for wearing” - a ring of greystones?

Could the Lackless family have splintered on purpose?

Kaepcaen - caen is 7? Link to Chandrian? What does Kaep mean?

E'lir - see-er, Re'lar - speaker, El'the...namer? listener? shaper? Oh, and gil'the (i think)

Teccam as the barefoot man in the cave - cross ref Hespe's story?

Copper knives are protection against fae. Taborlin had a copper sword. The Amyr on Nina's pot had a copper shield. There's a copper box in the Chronicler story. One of K's locks is copper.

In the center of Faeriniel there is a circle of grey stones. Check K's dream after the caravan is attacked.

Tak - possibly a very, very old game, though it can't be proven. Felurian knows it. So does Bredon, interestingly.

I fear for Sim.

The greater good is just another way of saying the lesser evil.

Trebon - maybe her Patron told Denna to keep an eye out for everyone who came looking for what happened at the farm. I still think she genuinely likes K, but there's the possibility that there was more going on there than K knew. Also - if Ash met her as she was getting closer to the farm, how could she see blue fire? She also stopped K from going inside the farm.

'Faeriniel' from K's story sounds almost like a mix of Fae and Myr Tariniel. It is where all the worlds in the road meet (an echo of Tinue?). It is the place you pass through while traveling somewhere else. Perhaps it's a literal in-between place? Where the waystones point? And it's a long and lonely night without a moon - fear a moonless night? When the human world is close to fae?

For this to be a tragedy as K says it is, he has to lose everything. His magic, his music, his love, his home. His friends? What he gets is notoriety. And enough money to by an extremely well stocked inn.

K, and we, are taking Skarpi's story as gospel truth. But at some point K's opinion of Skarpi declines (calls him a rumormonger). I'm thinking that Skarpi's story had some holes in it.

The Cthaeh and Modeg - in Fae, seeing the Cthaeh tree in a play is a hint that things are going to end in tragedy. In Modeg, seeing the Silent Doctor is also a hint that things will end in tragedy. There might be an interesting connection between the two, particularly considering that the fruit of the Cthaeh tree is said to be a panacea. And ‘silent’ because the danger comes from listening to the Cthaeh?

The knife guys had a cock up in Anilin. They lost their target twice. These things may or may not have been related. Also, it was never actually confirmed that K was the one they were looking for/whose hair that was.

Someone tried to buy K's blood from Devi for 55 talents. But how did they know she had it, particularly if she then made of a point of not knowing what they were talking about? ^Sleat knew he was in debt to Devi. He could have used or even sold that information.

Discrepancy - there's a mirror at Haliax's feet the first time Nina talks about the pot, but it's not in her drawing. Instead there's the candles.

Taborlin story - is there a connection between Cyphus the Chandrian and Scyphus the sorcerer king?

The library is made of grey stones - greystones?

The wedding house was made of grey stone found with the vase. So much for greystones protecting you from the Chandrian, if that's the case.

What in hell are the Ruach? Ruach is Hebrew for breath, or wind, or mind, or spirit, and is a term associated sometimes with the name of God. Seems of a piece with the name Aleph as well.

Laclith - 'lith' means standing stone, Lack-stone. Along with Lackey, Lack-key, and also Lock-less. No stone, no lock, no key? Different branches of the family…

Bloodless = Lackblood. Heh.

Haliax/Iax/Jax/Jakis, wouldn't that suck.

Valaritas - Valar - Alar?

Adem, 'sceopt teyas' is I am not speaking. Cross ref the beggar in K's story, Skarpi?

Skarpi says 'Haliax and the seven.' Isn't Haliax a part of the seven? Or maybe...the other is the one who spared the city?

If "caen" is a version of the word that means seven (as in caenin) then the Kaepcaen, the Modeg branch of the Lackless family, has "seven" in their name. Seven what?

Does being in fae make you faen, while being in the Four Corners makes you human? See: K coming out a little fae around the edges (even though that description has been used before), the fae losing most of their power when they cross, Bast acting much more human than Felurian.

Elxa is a title? Introduced as Elxa, not master. *And* he is the Master sympathist.

The inscription above the library might be archaic Siaru of some sort, which is why Wil can sort of read it. 'Morie' shows up in the song, 'Faenant en Morie,' and 'en' is in the Siaru curse, 'en kote'. (Faenant en Morie = fae and mortal?) ^And there's 'vorelan' a word Wil uses with the book guy that sounds a lot like Vorfelan.

The most interesting course title there is Ferrous and Cupric — iron and copper, eh? What’s up with copper?

And "sceop" or "scop," which literally means "shaper," was an Old English world for "storyteller." Also Skarpi's name. Or title?

Understanding and art - the strongest of the four corners of civilization (bet another is making or industry, in Ceal. Or perhaps they'd be economy?)

.UNRELIABLE NARRATOR. The cover stories in the first chapters show Kote is very good (and very practiced) at lying about himself. This is how we’re introduced to his character. Lying by omission: He never once brings up the possibility of joining another troupe. Due to trauma, most likely, but it’s still strange he doesn’t even bring it up as an option. Feels like a deliberate omission - he doesn’t want to talk about it. “Don’t believe everything you hear in stories, Bast. They lie to you.” Dismissive, “It was a long time ago.” Then he goes to the back and *cries.* It’s shown multiple times that Kvothe hides the cost of things behind a front, especially if it looks like weakness. Like when he told about his family, when he pushed too hard in the dueling class, the whipping, etc.

.DENNA AND KVOTHE CROSSING PATHS. They meet on the road and part ways They find each other in the Eolian when K waits for someone to sing Aloine's part Denna searches out K at Ankers. ("I heard you were playing on this side of the river.") They talk. Later K looks for her, but doesn't leave a note at the place she's staying. She leaves town. He can't find her. Denna finds K at the Eolian. (she talks to Deoch who then points to K. "I was hoping to find you here.") They plan to meet at the Eolian. Denna gets stood up by K. She turned a few people away, asked for K and waited an hour. ("longest I've ever seen that one sit still.") ^K didn't show up because he was passed out in the infirmary, but Denna didn't find that out until later. K gets to the Eolian after she already left with the man who will become her patron. Deoch promises to tell her what happened. K goes to the Eolian two days later to look for Denna, but finds Fela instead. Denna arrives after this point and presumably sees Fela's arms around K, as if in an embrace. Denna leaves without making her presence known, though K sees her walk out. He doesn't follow. Denna leaves a note for K requesting another lunch date before she leaves town. Denna gets stood up by K. She leaves without hearing from him. ^K didn't get the note until she was already gone. Denna gets sent to sing at the Mauthen wedding by her patron. The wedding is attacked. Ash talks D into letting him beat her ‘for her own good.’ K shows up in Trebon and finds Denna by accident. They search the farm and the surrounding area until they find the draccus and D gets drugged. D eventually passes out on the waystone. K leaves her there to deal with the draccus, after which he falls unconscious. Denna wakes up alone with no sign of K. She waits a long time ("distraught, even"), but eventually leaves. K wakes up and goes back to the waystone to find Denna gone. He goes back to the University. K and D accidentally bump into each other in Imre. TBC.

Conclusion - seen from her side of the story, when it comes to Denna, Kvothe is kind of a dick.

.CALENDAR. A span is 11 days. Four span for a month? German edition - a year is 8 months of 44 days

As far as dates and spans go I think this is how it works:

Days in a Span = 11 Days in a Month = 44 Days in a year = 352 Span in a Month = 4 Span in a year = 32 Months in a year = 8

We know there are 11 days in a span: Luten Shuden Theden Feochen Orden Hepten Chaen (trapis calls it caenin) Felling Reaving Cendling Mourning (the last four could tie into trapis' story, with hints about what happened when the moon was stolen. "Losel drank every day of the week, including Mourning. No, wait- there wasn't any Mourning yet." Also the first seven days seem like the same language, the last four are different. Shows the discrepancy between a seven day week and an eleven day week. English days have a similar pattern - Tues/Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat vs Sun/Moon, so assumption is the names were taken from two different cultures. First culture had a seven day week, the next had an 11 day span, likely occurring after the mess with the moon. So - the Creation War? Also also, Chaen/caenin means seven and it’s the seventh day, so are the other names numerical as well? What language?)

We know there are 8 months in a year: Thaw Equis Caitelyn Solace Lannis Reaping Fallow Dearth (Caitelyn??? Unlike the days, most of these match the Felling/Reaving/etc style.)

.THINGS K HAS YET TO DO/MAY DO IN BOOK 3.

Expelled from the university, possibly before he was twenty for 'stealing magic' (or maybe just stealing *money* from the magic *school*, since he's actually doing that right now and we’ve already seen how stories get distorted as they travel)

Kill a guy by the fountain in Imre. Shatters the stones. (if he's not expelled from the university at this point, he probably will be now. It sounds like magic.)

K looks for his heart's desire. He tricks a demon to get it, but once it rested in his hand, he was forced to fight an angel to keep it. He killed the angel. (angels have tended to mean the Amyr)

Steal a princess from a sleeping barrow king (possibly a tall tale description of the event, possibly Princess Ariel)

Talked to Gods

Sings colors to a blind man (green, red and gold) by playing for 7 hours

Write a sad song

The young man hears K play in Imre and it broke his heart. Could possibly the Savien performance, but the guy was young so that performance might be too long ago. Maybe right near the time K left?

Kill at least one thing that is 'more than a man'

His first real lover called him Dulator because she liked the sound of it (who? Felurian, or someone new?)

Called Shadicar and Lightfinger (already called six-string)

Loved, lost, trusted and was betrayed

Meet Bast

Meet Skarpi again?

Kill a king (see line of succession)

Kill a poet? Known poets - Ambrose, Sim, Vashet's poet-king

Come into a LOT of money. Enough to buy an inn and overstock it.

Acquire his EXTREMELY expensive chest made of roah with it's copper lock, iron lock, and the lock that cannot be seen.

Read Celum Tinture, aka, learn some alchemy, though I suppose he could have read it on his way back from Vintas?

Find out that his mother was a Lackless (he specifically relates Arliden's song, why else would he do that in the frame story?)

Might loose Caesera? (particularly since he's supposed to send it back if he 'dies')

See Ben again?

Open up a locked door and get into trouble. (”Locked doors have never proved much of a hindrance to me. More's the pity.")

His sword gets the name Poet Killer. Unless that's just a bastardization of the sword's true name?

The Broken Tree - did it refer to the bandit camp, or something that had yet to happen? Or his broken family line?

Went or goes back to Felurian?

Possibly run into a waterfall with Denna?

In the cover story K traveled through the Eld three summers ago, arrow wound. But maybe a kernel of truth?

Fallout with Threpe (total speculation, but might make sense if part of the reason he's expelled is for stealing from the university and the Maer).

Gets a price put on his head

[incorrect-kkc-theories]

in order to open the lackless box one just needs to eat it

[teccams-socks]

Loden-Stones

“What’s a drawstone?” I asked.

“It’s an old name for loden-stones,” my mother explained. “They’re pieces of star-iron that draw all other iron toward themselves.” - Name of the Wind, Chapter 14: The Name of the Wind, pg 112

“And what is the third thing?” the moon asked. Her eyes were dark and wise, her smile full and knowing.

“Your name,” Jax breathed. “That I might call you by it.”

“One body...” the moon began, stepping forward eagerly. Then she paused. “Only my name?” she asked, sliding her hand around his waist.

Jax nodded.

She leaned close and spoke warmly against his ear, “Ludis.”

And Jax brought out the black iron box, closing the lid and catching her name inside. 

“Now I have your name,” he said firmly. “So I have mastery over you. And I say you must stay with me forever, so I can be happy.”

And so it was. The box was no longer cold in his hand. It was warm, and inside he could feel her name, fluttering like a moth against a windowpane.  - Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 88: Listening, pg 659-660

“I think I have something you’ll like. Let me offer you a trade.” He turned around and held out something black and gnarled like a piece of driftwood.

I took it from him and looked it over. It was heavy and cold to the touch. “A lump of slag iron?” I asked. “Are you out of magic beans?”

The tinker held out a pin in his other hand. He held it about a handspan away then let go. Instead of falling, the pin snapped to the side and clung to the smooth blob of black iron.

I drew in an appreciative breath. “A loden-stone? I’ve never seen one of these.”

“Technically, it’s a Trebon-stone,” he said matter-of-factly. “As it’s never been near Loden, but you’re near enough.” - Name of the Wind, Chapter 71: Strange Attraction, pg 546

Denna was thoroughly engrossed by the loden-stone. “How does it work?” she asked, pulling the buckle away and letting it snap back. “Where does the pulling come from?”

“It’s a type of galvanic force,” I said, then hesitated. “Which is a fancy way of saying that I’ve got no idea at all.”

“I wonder if it only likes iron because it’s made of iron,” she mused, touching her silver ring to it with no effect. “If someone found a loden-stone made of brass would it like other brass?”

“Maybe it would like copper and zinc,” I said. “That’s what brass is made of.” - Name of the Wind, Chapter 77: Bluffs

“And the box?” Jax reached out and picked it up. It was dark, and cold, and small enough that he could close his hand around it.

The old man shivered and looked away from the box. “It’s empty.”

“How can you tell without seeing inside?”

“By listening,” he said. “I’m amazed you can’t hear it yourself. It’s the emptiest thing I’ve ever heard. It echoes. It’s meant for keeping things inside.” - Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 88: Listening, pg 657

Conclusions:

The name of the moon is Ludis. It’s very likely the name ��loden-stone’ derives from this. Also, according to the tinker Kvothe meets on the way to Trebon, there is a place called Loden, but it’s not clear if this is in Mortal or Fae. 

Kvothe and Denna speculate that loden-stones attract the metal of which they were made, and the pieces thereof. 

In Hespe’s story, the box Jax uses to capture the moon’s name is made of dark, cold iron, similar to a loden-stone. But obviously, any iron can be described this way, so this is not a concrete connection.

However, this box is so empty that it wants to be filled. It calls out, it echoes. It produces such a powerful longing that the old hermit shivers and can’t look at it. 

Sounds like a type of galvanic force to me, just like a loden-stone. It may be that the box attracts names the way a loden-stone attracts iron.

Jax used the iron box to catch the moon’s name and trap her in his folding house. The folding house is an analogy for the Fae world, so that means the iron box is the magic Jax used to try to pull the moon into Fae. And once the box is filled, it becomes warm and living. 

One more thing I want to tie in here. Yllish grammar says that possession changes a thing. The Chancellor owns his socks, but his socks also own the Chancellor. Likewise, the Lackless box belongs to the Lacklesses, and the Lacklesses belong to the box. 

So it is with Jax’s box. The box possesses the moon’s name, and the moon’s name possesses the box. 

TL;DR

Loden-stones are named after the moon. The box Jax uses to bind the moon to Fae works the same way as a loden-stone.

[teccams-socks]

The Blac of Drossen Tor

What we know:

- At Drossen Tor there was a battle during the Creation War

- More people died there than are living in the mortal world during Name of the Wind

- Lanre and Lyra fought on one side for the empire Ergen, against a beast 

- Finol, a previous wielder of Saicere/Caesura (Kvothe’s Adem sword), fought on one side against daruna and gremmen. She was killed there.

- Lanre also died at Drossen Tor, and Lyra brought him back

- The battle was fought for 3 days and 3 nights, under the sun and the moon. 

“Then came the Blac of Drossen Tor. Blac meant ‘battle’ in the language of the time, and at Drossen Tor there was the largest and most terrible battle of this large and terrible war. They fought unceasing for three days in the light of the sun, and for three nights unceasing by the light of the moon. Neither side could defeat the other, and both were unwilling to retreat.

“Of the battle itself I have only one thing to say. More people died at Drossen Tor than there are living in the world today.

“Lanre was always where the fight was thickest, where he was needed the most. His sword never left his hand or rested in its sheath. At the very end of things, covered in blood amid a field of corpses, Lanre stood alone against a terrible foe. It was a great beast with scales of black iron, whose breath was a darkness that smothered men. Lanre fought the beast and killed it. Lanre brought victory to his side, but he bought it with his life.”

- The Name of the Wind, Chapter 26: Lanre Turned, pgs 195-196

“Next came Finol of the clear and shining eye,” I repeated attentively. “Much beloved of Dulcen. She herself slew two daruna, then was killed by gremmen at the Drossen Tor.”

- Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 125: Caesura, pg 915

What we can speculate:

“Seven things has Lady Lackless Keeps them underneath her black dress One a right that’s not for wearing One a sharp word, not for swearing Right beside her husband’s candle  There’s a door without a handle In a box, no lid or locks Lackless keeps her husband’s rocks There’s a secret she’s been keeping She’s been dreaming and not sleeping On a road that’s not for traveling Lackless likes her riddle raveling.” - The Name of the Wind, Chapter 11: The Binding of Iron, pgs 85-86

“Black dress” has a phonetic similarity to “Blac” and “Drossen.” Obviously this is a bit of a reach, but if it is true, it means that under the place where the battle occured are Lady Lackless’s seven things.

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Since both the sun and the moon shone during the 3-day battle, we know it did not occur in the Fae (where the sky does not change daily). Either the battle was fought in the mortal world, or the battle occurred before Jax stole the moon and split the worlds.

[rhetoricandlogic]

Kingkiller Chronicle - Theories - Masterlist (reworked)

I went to look something up on our old list and - turns out - the blog still exists, but has been renamed, the post in question couldn’t be found etc. etc. So I decided to rework this list (original by @frei-rancken). The links to the posts are italic (more than one) or header

This time I’ll goup them by topic:

Content of the thrice locked chest

the lute

his true name

Caesurea

The Chandrians’s Story is in the Thrice-Locked-Chest:

Adem / Edema Ruh

Edema and Adem have the same roots

the two are linked and used to travel together

spoilerish-theories-on-edema-ruh-language

ademre-edema-ruh-link

True Names / Naming

Denna’sTrue Name

Denna Is Entering Her Third Phase: The Waterfall

If Denna has a Third Stage, so Does Kvothe

The Lackless Box is the Key to Fae (or made of Chtaeh)

Kvothe/Denna are the Personification of Iax/The Moon

Felurian’s Poem

Lyra Gave Lanre’s True Name to the Cthaeh

Auri Knows The Name of Wood

Meadre

Dulator

The Lackless Poems - New Meanings

meluan-is-kvothes-aunt 

comparison-of-lackless-poems

Scrael Biology

rhinta-and-the-skin-walker 

rhinta-and-the-archives +

The Chandrian

Yllish is protecting them

Chandrian Means Disaster Every 7 Years 

Denna Will Be Chandrian

The King to be Killed is:

Roderick Calanthis

or not ( bunch-of-crazy-theories-about-the-kingkiller)

University

Ranks of students - El’The

Rank of students - R’hellar

Doors of stone hide Iax / Iax name (part of Hal i ax)

Kvothe’s sword  

Bits of knowledge

Maedre = Ademre; The Anagram 

Kvothe Wrote His Testament

Listen Three times: chapter-3

Lorren has anonymous songs in the archives which he wants Kvothe to identify