#tmnt 2012 leorai

[lotus-duckies]

okay so uh interesting detail about The Good, The Bad and Casey Jones

Casey gets introduced to the turtles in a way that's Extremely, eerily similar to Karai

One of the turtles express frustration with their brothers usually in a way that's signature to their character (raph having anger issues, leo not being taken seriously as a leader) and go out to be angry and kick a roof or something

then a fight sequence with a secondary antagonist occurs (ie the purple dragons, the foot guys), and the human person is introduced in an ominous, mysterious and probably violent way.

Then the turtle and the human have a fight sequence (albeit Casey's and Raph's fight is much longer, Leo's and Karai's is spread out over the episode in question) where one of them almost kills the other for one reason or another

The human continues to pursue the turtle until they get exposed to the family, usually in an intruder fashion and the brothers say something like "wait you know them? why???" and Stuff Happens

That's not even including like. when leo saved karai from falling in a similar way Casey saved Raph from falling and giving an awkward "thanks". (also the fact that both of them get adopted into the clan at some point which is important)

And isn't that so interesting???

I don't know what that says about the respective relationships and how they're portrayed, other than maybe that's part of the reason why people like Rasey so much, because we were essentially given a plotline meetcute that's really similar to a canon romance plotline

But I do think there is something to be said about how situations get recontextualized as romantic/sexual or as platonic, and if the relationship is presumably heterosexual that probably plays like. a big role on the reading. If a boy and a girl get into a fight, it's like erotic or something but if two boys get into a fight, it's just boys being boys.

However what happens instead is that I'm looking at two different potentially queer situationships like "ah yes, homoerotic sword fight my beloved"

(also there is something to be said. about how it's canon that both leo and raph like someone who can beat the shxt out of them, just that apparently casey doesn't apply to that because boy?? but also he expressed enjoying being a girl so like????)

[nostalgicninjas]

take notes peter parker 🤭

[wr-winter]

chu❤️

[kchauu55]

silly sketches hehe

[fabuloustrash05]

I don't care how non family related Leo and Karai are in future versions of TMNT or in fellow fans' own takes on TMNT where they say they're not related at all in their versions.

When there's been TWO versions of Karai being Leo's relative in the span of a decade, it makes shipping him with her in other versions very VERY weird and uncomfortable when that thought is in the back of your head.

TMNT 2012 and Rottmnt has officially burned the bridge of the Leo x Karai concept.

[moccaaaaa]

Diseñar es mi pasión XD

(por si alguien se arde, leo y la kachanga no son hermanos ojito)

[fallingintotragedies2]

Controversial opinion ahead!

Idk what the tmnt 2012 writers were on but like

Not every 15 yr old needs a love interest

‘But some of them r cute’

Are they? Are they really?

Is Donnie being creepy about April cute?

Are Leo and Karai being siblings yet still being shipped cute?

Is the fact that, Mona Lisa’s age wasn’t disclosed so Raph, a 15 yr old, is being shipped with someone who may as well be way older then him, cute too?

You know what would actually be cute?

Realising that 15 yr olds are kids and don’t NEED a love interest, and even if they do have one, do it right. Don’t be weird.

Some of y’all needed a reality check, you’re welcome

[cruelcruelsummr]

friendly reminder that leorai is incest! even if the turtles somehow just mutated into humans without splinters DNA they’re still splinters sons by adoption which doesn’t make them any less legitimate! and even if Karai wasn’t splinters daughter they’d still at least be cousins because shredded and splinter were raised as brothers, by the same father, in the same family.

[myleorai]

holding hands relieves pain

[enby-calamity]

2012 TMNT Incorrect quotes

#1

Donnie: So, did everyone learn their lesson? Raph: No. Casey: I did not. April: I may have actually forgotten one. Mikey: Also no. Donnie: Oh good, neither did I. Leo: *Exhausted sigh*

#2

Casey: Donnie is too tall for me to kiss them on the lips. What should I do? Mikey: Punch them in the stomach. Then, when they double over in pain, kiss them. April: Tackle them! Leo: Dump them. Raph: Kick them in the shin! Donnie: No to all of those! Just ask me to lean down!!

#3

Casey: Bye Donnie! Bye Raph! Bye April! Bye Leo! Bye Donnie! Mikey: You said ‘bye Donnie’ twice. Casey: I like Donnie.

#4

Karai just after joining the team: Man, they look like a real handful. How do you deal with them? Leo, watching Casey and April screaming, Mikey trying to set a sleeping Raph on fire, and Donnie choking on air: I don't know either.

#5

Casey: Rules were made to be broken. Donnie: They were made to be followed. Nothing is made to be broken. Raph: Uh, piñatas. April: Glow sticks. Mikey: Karate boards. Leo: Spaghetti when you have a small pot. Casey: Rules. Donnie:

[inciexec]

karai shows her younger sister how to do make up like hers <3

[leorai4life]

Hey guys, I made a thing! <3

[oryoucouldhavemine]

OMIGODDDDD Okay, i know ive been gone for a WHILE and mostly talk about the owl house on here but im getting FED UP with seeing people defending leorai on here and i NEED to say smth lmao Leo and Karai ARE siblings. That is the end of that. There is no "no they aren't" to it. Because they are. To say they AREN'T means you are completely invalidating any adoptive relationship. You think that adoptive siblings aren't real siblings, you think that adoptive parents do not care about their children in the same way they do for their biological ones, you are completely discrediting the fact that adoptive parents care for their adoptive children the same as their biological children. I've seen this argument used COUNTLESS times to defend ships, that because the siblings are "Adopted" it's fine to ship them. No it's not! It's not okay to ship leo and karai, who ARE adoptive siblings, it's not okay to ship sal fisher and larry because they are ADOPTIVE SIBLINGS, it's not okay to walk up to a real life adoptive sibling duo and tell them you ship them or see them as a couple! Splinter adopted the turtles. Yes, in a very very unorthodox way, but he still adopted them and took care of them as his own children for FIFTEEN YEARS, raising them to be loved like his own children, raising them like siblings. Shredder DID NOT adopt Karai morally, he KIDNAPPED HER and lied to her for 16 years, he never raised her with love, and he never raised her to view the people she was surronded by as her own family. He never told her the truth, he never gave her attention unless it was needed. Did he care for her? Yes, i will not deny he cared for her, but it was less "he cares for her like a father" and more "he cares for her because hes invested 16 years caring for her." When Karai found out the truth and started somewhat living with the turtles, she called Splinter father. Mikey repeatedly called her sister. The turtles for the most part all viewed her as their sister. The five of them all called the exact same man "father." They have the same last name. And once they all figured it out KARAI WAS RAISED TOGETHER WITH THE TURTLES!!! Biologically, Leo and Karai are not siblings. But morally, ethically, technically, legally, they are. Stop discrediting adoptive familial relationships to support your incestuous ship. (and yes! surprise! It's still incest because they are family! incest isn't just based on actual genetics believe it or not :P) And atp, if after reading all that you STILL wanted to defend and ship leorai, just block me. it's not worth reading your dumbass logic in a reblog, don't take the effort to try and "correct" any information, just block me. i don't want to see it anyway have a lovely day and sorry for the tangent lmao

[pumpkinpie59]

btw if you’re gonna make fun of leo for crushing on karai you should also make fun of karai for flirting with him and encouraging it :/

[nostalgicninjas]

2012 Leorai Rant

there’s so much discourse about whether 2012 leorai is considered incest or not and i kinda wanted to throw my two cents in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i grew up with the 2012 series, and as a kid, i was a hardcore leorai fan. now as an adult, i’ve become neutral to the ship (though it will always hold a special place in my heart for nostalgic purposes). overall my thoughts/perspective on leorai have changed a lot over the years. i’ve grown to ship them more with other people (‼️ aprinardo and shinirai supremacy ‼️) while still loving and appreciating their canon dynamic. personally, i don’t view their relationship as entirely platonic or romantic. on one hand, i believe leo and karai do love each other like family (the same way all the turtles love april and casey like family) but they also connect on a deeper level that’s too intimate to call them “siblings”. it’s not as black and white as them being either brother/sister or boyfriend/girlfriend. to me, their relationship has so many layers it’s too complex for labels. which is fine because labels are overrated anyway. but that’s just my opinion.

i completely get why some people (especially those with adopted family members) think the relationship is weird, and i also get why some people see no problem with it. at the end of the day, it all depends on an individual’s life experiences or personal preferences.

note: if two people are biologically blood relatives, then an intimate/sexual relationship between them is 100% incest and i do not support or condone such behavior.

in this particular case however, i believe there is a difference between real incest and what society views to be incest. imagine two people have been dating for a while and then their parents fall in love and decide to get married. are they supposed to just turn their feelings off for each other and break up because they are now “technically siblings”? i’m sorry to break it to you but that’s not how emotions work. emotions are complicated. and frankly it seems wrong to try to force two people to think/feel a certain way about each other just because it’s what society excepts. i have always been a firm believer that people should be free to follow their hearts and love who they love. if there is no blood or biological connection involved (or any other illegal factors), then i see no reason why people can’t be free to choose how they get to view a person or how they wish for those relationships to develop. because in this case, love is not a crime.

in a way, the same can be said for leo and karai. first impressions count for something, and leo had already developed feelings for karai long before he found out she was splinter’s daughter. i know most people would disagree, but just because they view the same man as a father figure does not make them obligated to view each other as siblings. just because mikey CHOOSES to view karai as a sister does not mean leo is obligated to view her the same way. same goes for raph and donnie. from what was shown in the series, those two (especially raph) hardly considered karai to be a part of their immediate family, much less considered her a sister. and that’s their right. as much as i’m sure we all wanted to see the turtles and karai come together (and trust me i did too), donnie and raph had valid reasons to dislike/distrust karai and they shouldn’t be forced to brush their justified feelings aside and immediately accept her as a “sister” if they don’t want to. they may view her as an ally/asset to the team, but if they don’t want to view her as family, then they shouldn’t have to (though i’m sure they would eventually accept her in the future; whether or not as a sister or just a distant family member, we’ll never know).

i even once saw someone say that if shipping leorai isn’t incest because they aren’t blood related, then it shouldn’t be considered incest when shipping the turtles with splinter since they also aren’t blood related. that’s a really gross comparison for multiple reasons but mainly;

1.) the turtles are all MINORS and splinter is a grown ass man which is reason enough because W T F

and

2.) splinter has always viewed the turtles as his children and the turtles have always viewed him as their father. for him to suddenly take any kind of sexual interest in them is downright predatory, blood or no blood.

as for the whole “whether or not they share dna” debate, that’s honestly up to interpretation. splinter was never actually seen touching the turtles, so it’s not a canon fact that they actually absorbed any of his human dna when they mutated. and even if they had, the notion that this automatically makes them biological relatives to splinter is actually quite comical. that’s like saying the radioactive spider that gave peter parker superpowers is suddenly his new father. sounds silly, doesn’t it?

overall, i hate it when careless leorai fans make insensitive statements about adopted families, and i also hate it when anti shippers treat leorai fans like freaks just for having a different perspective on their relationship. if you prefer to think of them as brother and sister, then that’s cool. we’re all entitled to our opinions. what’s not cool is constantly harassing fans of the ship and shoving your “sibling” agenda down their throats (and vice versa).

to borrow a paragraph from @orokukarai’s rant:

If the ship makes you uncomfortable, whether it's for personal reasons or you're just not vibing, that's OK. If you personally see it as incestual, that's valid. But going around saying Leorai shippers all like or support incest is not true and there are many valid readings where they're not incestual even if you disagree with them. Some shippers probably do like incest, but then so do many non-Leorai shippers.

in conclusion, respect other people’s opinions. if you stumble across content you don’t like, block or ignore it. no need to comment hate or fill up the ship hashtags with negativity (and that goes for ALL fandoms).

just stay in your lane and keep scrolling ✌️

[squidsqwag]

THE WAY THAT LEO GETS PISSED OFF AT THE END PFPFPG