#ununderstandably

[sunforgrace]

it took cas 12 years to bleed out and dean was dead from the moment cas said I love you and goodbye 🤣

[st-rick]

Loved those 2 meme reference XD

It's a pity abbie🥀

[qisheu]

I don't know if anyone has done something like this already, but it's kinda angsty how Lizzie died with no one being able to understand her.

Cause imagine you were in her situation, voice ununderstandable robot noises. To everyone else, just sounding like gibberish, her last words not being able to be deciphered by anyone outside of her perspective. A sense of solitude because of that?

Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

[roxannepolice]

I think one of the most headscratching to me aspects of thoschei fan interpretations - and to be fair, writing, lately - is the chaos-order thing. That's probably because both the writers and the fandom immediately slap moral values on what are fundamentally amoral states. There can be disagreements about which is good and which is bad and which character is which as a result of the moral association, but like. It's always about what the show is trying to tell you is the better way to live because "What would the Doctor do" has become an unironic life coaching advice.

Meanwhile, from philosophical, physical and cognitive perspective it's been spelled out by Eight:

I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there.

and Ten:

No, but that's what you do. The human race makes sense out of chaos. Marking it out with weddings and Christmas and calendars. This whole process is beautiful, but only if it's being observed.

and Terry Pratchett:

Things just happen, one after another. They don't care who knows. But history...ah, history is different. History has to be observed. Otherwise it's not history. It's just...well, things happening one after another.

and Hesiod:

First it was Chaos, and next broad-bosomed Earth.

Chaos isn't eviler because scary and ununderstandable nor is it gooder because society wants to me do stuff, man. It's more primordial. It's the objective state of things without a subject to perceive them. Yes, there are patterns in nature, but they are results of working least bad in the evolution's infinite monkeying, not some unique order.

What I'm saying is, when you think of chaos snd order as ontological concepts rather than moral admonishments, it becomes borderline incomprehensible how you could look either at a character who delights in a species obsessed with evoking order out of chaos or a character who's whole shtick is control and scheming and say yup, one of these is totally into chaos.

[lia404]

It doesn't happen a lot, but for once I'll be venting on main. Let's talk about fandoms and languages, in a very frustrated way.

Many time, I have found myself upset at and exhausted by the entitlement of native English speakers when everyone else is already making the effort to speak their language.

Try (and I'm not being a Yoda here, I don't even say to do it, just to even try) to speak my language, and then we'll talk about the terminology I use and the grammar mistakes I make. Don't you dare dogpile on me for using the wrong word when I'm clearly not native. No, I was not trying to insult anyone. Yes, what I said was wrong, but you can point it out in a didactic way without being aggressive, and you can acknowledge that we are not all equal in languages or in our abilities in learning English, the One Language To Rule Them All (with all the dark implications of the title.)

Heaven's sake. I know I'm sometimes missing nuances. I am painfully aware that I'l never speak or write like a native speaker, and I'll never grasp the full underlying meaning of some words. Especially when they are words that have evolved, that have become something else in the context of modern Internet, in a corner of the web that I don't visit, because most of my English interactions are in the context of fandoms.

I don't understand your memes. I don't understand your jokes. I likely never will, and I've given up on asking for explanations, because they usually come with even more ununderstandable jokes, sometimes borderline mockery.

And don't you dare tell me "but your English is so good! Don't worry!" because guess what? I know. I've been studying that language for 25 years. It's my fucking job. I am rather confident in the fact that I know English grammar better than most native English speakers. It doesn't mean I don't make stupid mistakes, and it doesn't make me a native speaker. No matter how hard I try, I will never, ever be a native speaker.

Day after day after day, I'm putting in the effort of thinking in a language that isn't mine, looking for hidden meanings and weighing every sentence because even after 25 years, they'll never come naturally. Day after day, interaction after interaction, I wonder if I'll accidentally insult someone because of an awkward, gauche phrasing.

And I write this while being fully conscious that I have the priviledge of being a native speaker of one of the colonising languages. There are tons of resources in my language.

"If you're not happy, then just don't go to English fandoms."

See, that's the thing. Fandom activity exists in my language, but not in the fandoms I'm in. But you know, maybe I will. Maybe I'll snap and populate a full niche fandom with stories that native English speakers can't understand in a glance, have to put in an effort to interact with. Maybe I'll make memes in my language that none of my mutuals can get. But in the end, it will just be like shouting in the void.

Because here's a reality: most English speakers never put in the effort. They see a foreign language, and move away. And if, by some sort of miracle, they actually want to try, then they are lucky to be able to count on automated translation. Machine translation tools are always trained on English first. Any language > English usually is the pair that has the most reliable results. The same cannot exactly be said about English > any language. And again, I acknowledge that I'm priviledged in such a case, because I'm native of a language that is well-covered.

But it will never be enough for international fandom interactions. Another uncomfortable reality: the globalisation of fandoms has led to erasure of most other languages in fan spaces. This one's going to be hard to reclaim.

So I adapt and I speak English and I write in English. Sometimes I read fanfics and I cry, because I stumbled upon a sentence that I know, even with the best efforts in the world, I would have never managed to come up with. Sometimes I realise that between my job and my fandom activities, English has become such a huge part of my life that I'm losing my own mother tongue, that my phrasing is becoming awkward in it too. I'm not confident anymore using it. I look at the sentence I wrote on the blank page and I cry some more.

And I'm so, so tired of seeing "well-meaning" entitled native English speakers (and, no offense, but most happen to be from the USA, so there might be something cultural at hand here, but while I feel legitimate to observe languages, I don't think I have the legitimacy to observe societies) trying to hold everyone in the world up to their self-centred standards.

I speak English because you speak English. Speak my language flawlessly, and then we'll talk about my flaws when speaking yours.

[werewolf-femboy-maid]

that's Karamatsu Matsuno

I feel so special for understanding the ununderstandable (edit I originally spelled it understandable, but I meant ununderstandable)

[jewishdainix]

Describing my attraction towards men got me "bisexual in denial" from one person and "do you think you may be a lesbian with comphet" from another. Truly ununderstandable

[moved-to-shijieswife]

ppl who say wwx is short in mxys body. is 180 cm not enough. IS 180 CM NOT ENOUGH. I DONT THINK UNUNDERSTAND HOW TLAL THAT IS. THAT IS 3 CM AWAY FROM 6 FT FOR U IMPERIAL SYSTEM USERS. IS THAT NOT TALL ENOUGH (i am 162 cm)

[classpectingshitposts]

being a seer of void is really funny because all the seer stereotypes of a level-headed know-it-all (which is wrong on multiple levels, but whatever) gets negated by being a void player. why did i do that thing i did? i don’t know, i felt like it. if you need guidance i’ll provide it but it will be in four increasingly ununderstandable paragraphs and also probably unasked for. all those people who don’t understand me? just jealous they don’t feel the flow of the universe like me. that being said people love telling me terrible things unprompted and if they don’t stop i might have to start killing.

ill admit i kept this one for personal reasons. this is a 2023 ask and not a 2021 one. this one made me laugh specifically because i have a seer of void character who aligns very closely with parts of this ask. not all of it. enough to be funny.

[dangermousie]

The matter of fact way she says it and his face!!!

That is me in a modern art museum - modern art is something I don't get - so I have never related to a cdrama heroine more.

Helpful, Li Xun! I do love the implication of his comment that of course modern art is ununderstandable duh.

Jealousy!!! Such delightful jealousy!

And she knows and loves it, heeeee.

The way she twists the knife, heh (and I didn't cap it but she manages to remind him of his ex too ahahahahahaha), she may be a princess to him but to me she's a queen. Of Petty :P

OMG, Li Xun ahahahahahahaha and her delight is even better. They are so ridiculously young, I just want to protect them forever...

Seriously, ADORABLE OMGGGGG

[hetookthewoodblockinthedivorce]

so that's the thing....all of them?

Wha-?

Th-this can't be! My prized woodblocks...

What is my purpose if not to hit my beloved block? How shall I go on with my now meaningless existence? Narrator! I am in dire need of consolation.

My betrothed surely shan't be ununderstanding?

-🪵

[oasisofgalaxies]

I’m the character ununderstander <- knows nothing

[nadirofamountainforest]

I mean, I'm pretty detached towards humanity and life as a whole but I've never had a defeatist attitude. I still believe that the world can be changed and I actively take part in society in order to do that.

I may have depression, quite literally think about k33ling myself every night, and had so many s3w3rslid@l attempts because of the stress and dread this unforgiving and ununderstanding society gives me but for as long as I stay alive, I've made it my purpose to help change this forsaken country. No matter how much of that desire to help was "forced," or "ingrained" by this very society or voluntary decide by me.

Wala na akong pake sa iba, basta tutulong ako. Kaya huwag niyo akong husgahan o kutyain dahil loveless aroace ako na may tendency to isolate and become solitary.

The idealist and believer in me is still alive even though I am quite dead inside. Pilipinas, pasensya na dahil anghirap mong ipaglaban pero ipagpapatuloy ko pa rin to.

[charlie-exclamation-point]

No I'm just m.

H.

Ell.

PAbnygays hiw does the tge g h tgs g how to the word dies ut work? Hoow to the question relevabce? I am oracticing ny eviil ununderstanded

“What. Dies? Who’s dying? Is it you? If not then it will be soon.”

[dudefromwormhole]

Here’s my blind reaction on ep40 so far.

Warning for ununderstandable spoilers?

YELLOW WTF HELLOOOO LONG TIME NO SEE

ARTHUR YOU ARE FUCKED

Emotion flushing right through the rooftop oh god holy shit

“Yellow fuck face” Noel, I love you lmao

My face when I listen to Arthur’s “fighting over same spiritual dimension”

Gunhole gets deep. John. Stay with us, friend.

YAY NOEL IS ALIVE??? Not for long?? YELLOW HELLO NO???

Damn. How romantic. Who knew Larson and Lester will talk like that.

Our baby girl who can stop time and play the piano is back. Wtf are you talking about.

SINK A LITTLE LOWER. HUH???

Who df is Matthew.

Dang. Kay e

Why

Huh

Damn.

Wdym probably in Spain. Why did you blew Butchers mind with music. Why.

[pupb-rur]

How do... What do you call when you feel like you can't understand something and that something keeps interacting with you and in turn you just want to cry? Like uh, the-feeling-of-being-constantly-overwhelmed-by-something-ununderstandable is a bit lengthy