ugly-anarchist

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I hate this fucking website

Why is it that whenever an intersex person complains about a common form of intersexism everyone jumps to be like "YOU SHOULDN'T ASSUME BAD FAITH" and "WELL I THINK IT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"

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To everyone in the notes being like "you shouldn't assume bad faith" or "I know what post you're talking about and that's not what they meant"

My guy

They literally specified that it was about HRT in the post I saw

Why did I just see someone say "gender affirming care is only reserved for cis people"

My guy

You are referring to the medically sanctioned eradication of intersex people

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Why is it that whenever an intersex person complains about a common form of intersexism everyone jumps to be like "YOU SHOULDN'T ASSUME BAD FAITH" and "WELL I THINK IT ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"

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hey coye do you have any suggestions of what to read if i’m a perisex trans person wanting to understand intersex people better / stop myself from doing an Intersexism?

Personally I'd recommend interacting with actually intersex people, making intersex friends, and welcoming intersex people into your community spaces. That's the best way to learn about any minority imo. But if you're looking for, like, baseline info of just "where do I even start?" then I'd recommend looking at InterACT's website. They've got an FAQ and some really good resources for learning about specific variations. You can also look through the intersex or actually intersex tags here on tumblr for things from intersex people.

If you're worried about being intersexist then here's the big things:

Hermaphrodite is a slur, perisex people can't use it, full stop. It's for intersex people to reclaim only.

Don't call intersex variations "DSDs" and you should distrust any source that does so.

"Intersex people don't want to be included in queer spaces" is intersexist propaganda peddled by TERFs, don't believe it. Include intersex people in queer spaces.

You cannot transition into or out of being intersex.

The fetishization of intersex people is unfortunately common and really really normalized, please be on the lookout for it. If you're wondering how to spot it then replace "intersex" with literally any other minority group in whatever thing you're assessing and if it sounds fucked up then it's probably intersexist!

Example:

This post. If you replace "intersex" with any other minority it sounds weird, right?

Avoid those 5 things and you're already doing leagues better than the majority of the population! The bar is, sadly, in hell!

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Leave it to the transandrobro to misgender trans women despite being told countless times that theyre wrong

It's not countless. I was previously sent two messages on the topic. Can you not count that high?

Once again, I don't assume people's pronouns or identities based on the opinions they hold.

Ironically, calling me a "transandrobro" IS misgendering because I've been clear about my discomfort around words with masculine connotations

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I don't care which side of any argument you're on, if you're white and you bring up POC and racism in your arguments then I need you to ask yourself something: Are you bringing it up because it's important to consider and you want to point out someone's white centric view point OR are you using the struggles of POC as a gotcha against your fellow white people because it makes your argument sound better without actually understanding what you're talking about?

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Why did I just see someone say "gender affirming care is only reserved for cis people"

My guy

You are referring to the medically sanctioned eradication of intersex people

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People misgendering me is the exact reason why I shy away from using transfem/transmasc or any other labels like that. Like, I'd love to explore my gender presentation or refer to myself as something other than "neutral" but unfortunately being called she or he makes me want to ✨Implode✨

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so i guess someone repeatedly grouping herself with trans women and using the word "us" on her posts about transmisogyny doesn't make her a trans woman and trans women do not regularly get misgendered by being called they/them. my badddd :(

I mean it quite literally doesn't? Binary trans women aren't the only ones talking about transmisogyny? There's nonbinary transfems who use they/them pronouns that would also do that?

And trans women do, in fact, get degendered by bad faith actors. I never said they didn't. But guess what? There's a difference between "this trans woman has she/her in her bio but I'm going to ignore that because I don't like her" and "this person has literally no indication of their identity besides their opinions and no clearly stated pronouns in an easily accessible place, I'll use they/them because I'm not sure and I don't want to assume especially because I don't know this person personally"

Like? Sorry you can't distinguish between degendering and good online manners?

As a nonbinary person who sometimes gets misgendered because people assume my pronouns based on the things I talk about: I sincerely hate you

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I've been hearing good things about kpop demon hunters but I was kind of skeptical until I saw it was a Sony movie

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Why does "Well, I happen to have some on hand, so let's see what Snorton and Green have to say." read about the same as "you've activated my trap card"

So listen up everyone: This right here is a tactic that some people use where they go onto discourse posts and attempt to drown you in pretentious, overly analytical and academic bullshit while insulting you and treating you like you're stupid and beneath them. They do this in order to exhaust you mentally and make themselves seem like the smarter, more reasonable one.

In fact, this is not a good response, no matter how much faux "political analysis" they try to tack onto it. It's just obnoxious.

So, let me get this straight. Transmisogyny, as a term, describes the intersection of misogyny and transphobia. Trans people who were AFAB experience both misogyny and transphobia, so they also experience transmisogyny then, right? No? They're "transmisogyny exempt" and benefit from it? Oh! Transmisogyny is just the word for the unique form of oppression that transfems face? Okay, so transmascs have made their own word for the unique form of oppression they face, they're calling it transandrophobia. What do you mean that's bad? "Transandrophobia doesn't exist because androphobia doesn't exist"? But we've already established that this is just the word that transmascs are using to describe their unique form of oppression, just like transmisogyny. "Transmisogyny describes the intersection of transphobia and misogyny"? ...I feel like we're going around in circles here.

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"this person" "them" "they"

*checks blog*

>you are referring to a trans woman

No where does it state they identify as a trans woman specifically. There are no pronouns in this person's pinned or bio. I checked specifically for that reason before talking about them. I checked several times and even double checked after seeing this ask.

Also, some trans women still use they/them pronouns?

If there is a direct reference to what pronouns a person uses then I will use them. When there is none, I default to the easiest to use gender neutral option. I am literally the biggest advocate for using people's correct pronouns, but I never assume what they are, especially online.

You can't throw a fit about not using the correct pronouns for a person when they never state what those pronouns are.

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you: explain these two things specifically

them: fucking pathetic

YEAH

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Okay, cool, I asked you to explain what you were saying further to better understand the point you were trying to make and you immediately decided to insult me. That's pleasant.

While discussing what you think transmasculine oppression is like you brought up the voices of two people who are not transmasculine. You are completely leaving out the transmasculine voices who are speaking on their own oppression and instead looking to outside perspectives. You are basing your points on pure speculation instead of listening to the voices of people who are living this reality every single day. Ironically, you've completely erased transmasculine people from the conversation while actively stating that transmascs are erased.

From personal experiences as well as what I've heard from other trans people who were AFAB is that the transphobia and misogyny we experience is, by your own definition, multiplicative and not just additive. My own lived experience is that, yeah, it's worse and completely unique from just experiencing transphobia and misogyny separately or sequentially.

Even if it wasn't... Who cares? Transandrophobia and other words to describe the unique form of oppression that trans men, transmascs, and related groups face is still useful. It has a purpose and it existing doesn't harm anything or anyone. Why do we need to justify it? Why do people like you feel the need to bury it in 50 tons of "theory" and analysis? Can we not just have a fucking word? We're literally just people trying to talk about our oppression why do we have to prep like we're giving a college lecture jfc

So, let me get this straight. Transmisogyny, as a term, describes the intersection of misogyny and transphobia. Trans people who were AFAB experience both misogyny and transphobia, so they also experience transmisogyny then, right? No? They're "transmisogyny exempt" and benefit from it? Oh! Transmisogyny is just the word for the unique form of oppression that transfems face? Okay, so transmascs have made their own word for the unique form of oppression they face, they're calling it transandrophobia. What do you mean that's bad? "Transandrophobia doesn't exist because androphobia doesn't exist"? But we've already established that this is just the word that transmascs are using to describe their unique form of oppression, just like transmisogyny. "Transmisogyny describes the intersection of transphobia and misogyny"? ...I feel like we're going around in circles here.

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Define "unique system of power" and tell me how the intersection of misogyny and transphobia for transmasculine people is "additive not multiplicative"

So, let me get this straight. Transmisogyny, as a term, describes the intersection of misogyny and transphobia. Trans people who were AFAB experience both misogyny and transphobia, so they also experience transmisogyny then, right? No? They're "transmisogyny exempt" and benefit from it? Oh! Transmisogyny is just the word for the unique form of oppression that transfems face? Okay, so transmascs have made their own word for the unique form of oppression they face, they're calling it transandrophobia. What do you mean that's bad? "Transandrophobia doesn't exist because androphobia doesn't exist"? But we've already established that this is just the word that transmascs are using to describe their unique form of oppression, just like transmisogyny. "Transmisogyny describes the intersection of transphobia and misogyny"? ...I feel like we're going around in circles here.

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So, let me get this straight. Transmisogyny, as a term, describes the intersection of misogyny and transphobia. Trans people who were AFAB experience both misogyny and transphobia, so they also experience transmisogyny then, right? No? They're "transmisogyny exempt" and benefit from it? Oh! Transmisogyny is just the word for the unique form of oppression that transfems face? Okay, so transmascs have made their own word for the unique form of oppression they face, they're calling it transandrophobia. What do you mean that's bad? "Transandrophobia doesn't exist because androphobia doesn't exist"? But we've already established that this is just the word that transmascs are using to describe their unique form of oppression, just like transmisogyny. "Transmisogyny describes the intersection of transphobia and misogyny"? ...I feel like we're going around in circles here.

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I keep seeing posts referencing "what happened on r/trans" but I haven't seen a single post explaining it. Can someone please tell me what's happening because I don't use reddit and I don't want to.