#CALYPSO WHEN I CATCH YOU

[perplexi-glass]

Hermes, deity of “catch these mf hands”

[xjulixred45x]

Wait...now that i think about it....

You remember that Jorge Said that the Gods/Godesses can bring the voices of mortals if they please? Like Athena did in My Goodbye with the voices of the members of the crew that died bc of the Cyclops?

What if Calypso actually bring the voices of Polites, Eurylochus and Anticlea to prevent Odysseus from jumping the legde? But only trigger all of His traumas TOGHETHER.

I'm not fine guys....

[aikya-kat-44]

Penelope, on Ogygia after hearing about what Calypso did to Ody:

there is no wrath like a woman scorned, huh

now I bet you wish YOU NEVER F***ING LAID A HAND ON MY HUSBAND

*proceeds to beat the sh*t out of her*

Calypso: Wait! I'm a goddess, you can't kill me!

Penelope: Exactly.

Penelope: You will NOT hurt my husband. Never again.

[dragons-library]

You all need to stop trying to make Calypso a good character. She is a goddess, she is an abuser. She is a villain.

That’s not villainizing women, it’s showing that the gods have complete disregard for mortals, their consent and their lives. Women can be evil to, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

There are a lot of female characters that were villainized in retellings post Ancient Greek times. She is NOT one of them.

No, it’s not overdone, it’s a very important part of the story actually, because Odysseus is suffering, the gods are making him suffer, and calypso is very much part of that punishment, in most of the texts that we have from Ancient Greece it’s explicit that the relationship is against his will, he is a male SA survivor, and that’s a story that matters so so much more than giving calypso a redemption story. Even in the earliest retellings that make the relationship somewhat consensual there is still a huge power imbalance. (And those where wrote down much latter than the clear SA versions btw)

You want a female hero? Penelope is standing strong without support. You want other female characters that are not evil but a victims of the gods? You have Helen, you have Iphigenia. You want female rage? Clytemnestra is right there. You want a badass woman that gets revenge? Medea is for you!!

Calypso is NOT a good person/goddess. She was not villainized in more recent retellings like a lot of other female characters. She was like that from the source.

Even in epic is a very mild characterization of her, because is more from a point of ignorance and that she can’t understand that what she is doing is wrong because of how out of touch the gods are with the mortals. But she is abusing him. SHE IS NOT THE GIRLBOSS YOU WANT HER TO BE OMG

[4thegays]

I know we get distracted by the open arms mention in love in paradise but calypso also mentions how she’ll stay in his heart referencing his mom

I’m not okay

[inhabited-artist]

If Penelope is not the next person to call Odysseus "Ody" I will come unglued.

[celesrangeepic]

How the “Owo autism is quirky” people look at me after I tell them I started learning a language because of a musical:

Art by Gigi btw

[lily-s-world]

I was listening to the Wisdom Saga for the millionth time like a regular fan, and I noticed something that, while it is pretty obvious now, I didn't catch it the first time.

In The Underworld song and Saga of the same name, the first chorus that Odysseus sings is the following:

They are literally traveling in the Underworld, which we can say is the Greek representation of what we commonly know as Hell. And Odysseus is tormented by the screams of his lost comrades.

Now, in Love in Paradise, Odysseus repeats a part of this chorus to himself:

While he is no longer physically in the Underworld, his mind is so tormented that we could say that he is going through Hell on his own. Odysseus tried to greet the world with mercy, and it cost him over 500 of his men. Then, he tried to become a monster, and that made him lose the rest of his crew and is now stuck in an island with no options to get out. This is the worst-case scenario. This is his personal hell. He feels as if he is traveling the Underworld again, only that this time it won't end because he can't physically move from where he is.

Also, when Calypso finds Odysseus on the ledge, she isn't the playful goddess we saw at the beginning of the song, and she doesn't ask him what he is doing there. Calypso is legit worried about what Odysseus could do, and she is trying to calm him down and convince him to go back to her:

This isn't the reaction of someone who is seeing that type of behavior for the first time. The calming tone, the assurance that everything is better because he is alive... Calypso has done this before with him. They had been in this situation before, probably more than once. Which means that Odysseus has been stuck in hell for months, probably years now. With only Calypso as his anchor.

If Odysseus has been going to that ledge for a time now, it is possible that the prayers to Athena started at some point and not when Athena heard him for the first time. From Odysseus point of view, his prayers had always been unanswered.

That scream for Athena at the end of the song, which was heartbreaking, by the way, for Odysseus is just another plead without response. He doesn't know what Athena is doing for him, what Athena is sacrificing for him... and he probably won't know it until he gets out of the island. Until he can get out of his personal hell.

[kmiiasworld]

Okay, this one hit like no other one hit. It needs its own individual breakdown of each song because a single post will not be enough to unpack the intricate, well thought execution of this story. In only 5 songs mind you. I am speechless. The amount of emotions I felt through every single song. I literally laughed, cried and the pure rage I felt during "Love in Paradise" , don't even get me started on that bs. This is my new favourite saga, top of the list. The callbacks to earlier songs were chef's kiss. Beautifully executed. They did it before in the other sagas but there's something a little bit extra with this one that just raises the stakes and has me sickkk to my stomach. I'm so scared about what's about to happen.

Also weirdly enough, all the Gods and Goddesses voices suited them so well if that makes sense. Like they all ate down, so kudos to the singers. Everyone played their role perfectly and I could literally picture what's happening in my mind that's how good this is And before I forget, somebody needs to get all 108 of those suitors out of that house!!!

[kateweathermachine2]

My thoughts on the Wisdom Saga

Legendary

TELEMACHUS MY BOY!!!

Honestly most of the stuff I have to say about him deals with the next two songs instead of this one…

Okay, but the more I listen to Antonius the more his voice is just ✨✨✨? Like Calypso’s voice being gorgeous was on SIGHT (on… hear? Heard? Audio?), but Antonius keeps getting better the more I listen to him. Don’t get me wrong he’s a bad dude, but his voice acting? Beautiful

I love the setup in this song, you don’t even notice because it’s so catchy

ARGUS CRUSHED MY HEART IN THE ANIMATIC (like I knew he would) poor dog boi… if Jorge doesn’t have Odysseus say hello to him in a song I will be heartbroken.

Little Wolf

This song… the appearance of Athena in this song brought my prospective ranking of it from likely low to battling it out with Love in Paradise for top spot (I’m STILL not sure which one I like more).

When Athena first appeared in the livestream I (mentally) SCREAMED- MY FAV IS BACK SHE’S BACK AND I LOVE HER (very platonically)

I love the little interlude with her and Telemachus- speaking of which-

I’ve seen some people mention how Telemachus seems much younger than 20/21. Something about the portrayal of Telemachus as this naïve inexperienced child? I’m not sure. But I have my own thoughts to share on this, because as someone who’s close to that young adult age, I think it’s actually pretty accurate for Telemachus’s character. He’s lived in the palace all his life, he’s longing to adventure in the world beyond, but he doesn’t know how to fight… I mean, I don’t specifically relate to Telemachus but I can see aspects of this in my own life. I’ve taken my first baby steps into the big adult world, and it’s intimidating and scary, and I don’t know how anything works, but I’m trying anyways. Point being, I don’t understand how people think that Telemachus has to be younger just because he doesn’t have certain life experiences or knowledge yet. I think it’s a very good portrayal of a young adult being unsure of his coming into the world but excited for it anyways.

Anyways back to ATHENA MY GIRL

I love that we get an in-musical explanation of Quick Thought!! I think it’s really important for a musical to be self-contained with its important lore/information and Jorge does such a great job with that.

Athena’s entire speech about the suitors and bullies and inspiring Telemachus and reframing his “Little Wolf” title CHUCKED THIS SONG SO HIGH IN MY BOOK I need to find a character of mine to associate this part to

The little “ooohhhh, maybe I pushed him a bit to hard” is hilarious

Interesting thing we’re doing with transitions into the next songs with this saga. I do agree with some of the people who said it sounds kind of off in this song; I think it might’ve flowed better if it introduced the next one, but honestly, I’m entirely willing to ignore that because this song is *so* good

We’ll be Fine

I have one glaring complaint about this song…. WHY ISNT IT LONGER?!?! I NEED MORE OF THIS

I can honestly see this becoming a comfort song for me, it holds such great messages to remember

“Cause I got in a fight, and I didn’t die!” The bar is on the FLOOR with Telemachus

The voice actors are rocking their respective high notes! Jorge pushed them and they owned it!!

Speaking of those good encouraging messages- I absolutely adore Telemachus’s chorus. Every time I listen to it, my brain auto-fills the lyrics ahead, and I hear, “maybe it’s all gonna be okay,” but then Telemachus actually sings the verse and it’s “maybe it’s all gonna turn out great!” And that’s just… such a good thing to think about. Yeah, it’s gonna be okay in the end, but what if it was better than okay? What if it turned out to be absolutely amazing?? That’s… such a positive way to view things and I need it more in my life. Of course it could get toxic but for me, it’s a great reminder of how good things can become

Love in Paradise

I read a post that mentioned how the happiest song in the Thunder Saga is called Suffering, and the saddest song in the Wisdom Saga is called Love in Paradise, and I hate how accurate that is T^T

THE TIME DIVE MONTAGE WAS SO GOOOD- such a fun mini mash-up of the rest of the songs! I wish I had more to say about it because I want to keep gushing over it but I’m just gonna end up repeating myself saying it’s so good

The little replay of the “Captain?” “I have to see her” ;-;

WANGUI’S VOCALS— I CAN’T— THEY’RE SO GORGEOUS *unintelligible squealing*

“She’s my wife”

“…”

“…”

“…”

“…”

“…”

“Anyways-“

Her voice is so pretty help I don’t approve of her actions but her VOICE HER VOICE

Can I also just say the animatic/visuals for this section were also gorgeous, such a great compliment to the audio

The way it goes from all sweet and bouncy to “oh ****” and right back to sweet was so good

“Last I checked goddesses can’t die!!” *cue the Wisdom Saga stream crash of 2024*

The cliff scene… oh my goodness it’s so *good* it’s all so *good* Jorge how are you so good at writing

He pays such close attention to characters and motifs and lines too- you can hear how Calypso triggers Odysseus’s flashback.

NOT TO MENTION- when Odysseus yells his line “All I hear are SCREAMS”, it’s in response to Calypso’s line “I’ll stay inside your heart”- which is Odysseus’s mom’s lyric from the underworld!! I literally just noticed the connection between the line and his reaction and I haven’t seen anyone else mention it before so-

And Athena’s little “he needs my help”- aaaaaa we all feel the pain

God Games

Oh *boy howdy* this one is a doozy

The intro is great, I adore Zeus’s voice- this cast is just FULL of talented voice actors man

“… Hera!…. Or me” …. A-wha-huh? I’m sorry didn’t you used to be “and”???

I was intrigued what Apollo’s grievance would be based on the whole “who’s cows” debacle- the sirens kinda threw me off guard xD

His voice is ✨✨✨ though, I love listening to him

JORGE’S DAD HEPHAESTUS!!!!! Aghhh his voice was so good for the part! And I loved the commentary on trust too

Aphrodite’s and Ares’s parts are still amazing even after all this time- I LOVE the details of Ares’s musical motif! He has the same melody as Athena, but played on this raw-sounding violin/cello? And he *also* has quick thought- but it still all feels different from Athena’s too! Because they’re both gods of war but with different domains and attributes AAAA so good!

And Athena’s lyrics in response- I love the re-do and the little extra quirks in it, like the extra growl on “ARES!!!” And the little riff(?) on “his son’s my FRIIIIEND”

Hera’s part was amazing. 100/10. Her voice was a lot… smoother than I was expecting honestly. It took a bit of getting used to but now I love it. And I am HERE for the dance battle

“Never once has he cheated on his wife”

“Release him.”

10/10 ✨✨✨

I was… really excited for an Athena/Zeus debate in this song when listening to all the snippets. I couldn’t wait to see how Athena would try and persuade Zeus, what arguments he would use specifically, how it would all go down… instead I got uh-

“I played your game and won! Release him.”

Oh so, no Zeus round? Ohh this is why it got changed to “or” isn’t it-

“You DARE to defy me?”

Huh-

“To make me feel shame?”

What’s happeni-

“No one beats me, NO ONE WINS MY GAME!!”

Oh boy howdy-

“THUNDER BRING HER THROUGH THE WRINGER, SHOW HER I’M THE JUDGEMENT CALL, THE ONE WHO MAKES HER KINGDOM FAAAAALL—“

I’M SORRY THIS WENT FROM 10 TO 100 SO FAST WHAT IS HAPPENING?!—

Athena in the flashback scene- holding baby Telemachus- the music- my HEART

And the end instrumental is so triumphant aaaaaa

“Let him gooooo! Please-“ JORGE WHEN I GET YOU JORGE—

Uh, so

My thoughts on God Games right after it came out were

Mixed

At first I was so absolutely frazzled from the livestream I could barely put thoughts together outside of incoherent screaming

But then I read a few tumblr posts about how some others were disappointed in how God Games ended and Zeus’s character- and I found myself agreeing :/

I do have a propensity for latching onto different opinions because I think they’re the “expected” one for me to have- and I totally think a bit of that was going on here- so I took some time off of tumblr/limiting my scrolling (which needed to be stopped anyways-) to really sort out how I felt on this

And I think I feel a bit stilted by God Games from its ending. The ending was… underwhelming? Which sounds INSANE considering the end of the stream but it’s underwhelming less because of actual shock factor and more because of what specifically happens versus my expectations.

Zeus just kind of… blasts Athena in the face??? Without provocation?? Athena DID win his game, she passed the terms he set out, she did all of that… and he shocks her anyways. It just. Doesn’t really sit right with me.

But I love Epic, and want to enjoy every song I come across, and I REALLY didn’t want this view of the ending of God Games to taint the rest of the song or the rest of the musical. So in my next big post, I’m going to do a mini “rewrite”/reworking of God Games that I’ve been toying around with in my mind for a little while now!!

I’ll explain more about why and what and the details in that post but for now, just know that it’s been a helpful exercise in enjoying God Games as it is too, and I’ll get to posting that the next time school isn’t absolutely crushing me with long homework assignments

Anyways, those are my kinda-in-depth thoughts about the Wisdom Saga!! I’ve been so excited to write this out and I’m happy to be posting it finally

[unironicallyroyal]

Not you bitches ugly snot-crying during the cliff scene

[immediatenature]

Work in progress? Idk if I want to color it properly, I’ve been up working on this after the stream ended

[astxrope]

I hate antinious sm there's only one character I hate more and its fucking calypso (wangui I love you but calypso it is ON SIGHT)

[dootznbootz]

Odypen definitely and equivalently adore each other BUT I weirdly can't see them as the type to actually say "I Love you".

They still definitely vocalize their love for each other but it's more so in "My Joy", and "Extraordinary Woman", "Strange Woman/Man", etc. And very cheesy lines (both say some cheesy shit in the Odyssey, and he definitely does in the Iliad as well. "Joy like a drowning sailor seeing land" bit???)

I could see "I adore you" but even then, that's probably during very specific moments but the actual "I love you"??? I just typed it just now for fic shit and... It weirdly just didn't feel right and I don't know why. 😅

Idk maybe it's kind of because I see them as over the top in ways, they love wordplay and riddles and I think they'd almost think "...That's not good enough >:( " about it??? I don't know???😂

[lemonpoet]

I don’t think I’m ever recovering emotionally from Love in Paradise…

[stanfordssiren]

Cal, you need to remember. Bill messed with your head. What would Ford think if he finds out you’re eating humans again???

I think Stanford understands the nature of a siren!