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trying to go through the kpop demon hunter tag and it's either only saja boys or only shipping and it feels like a specially curated hell for me (no hate, i'm just weird)
#like yeah okay#there's 'hot guys' and 'shipping material'#but did you consider...#the implications ™️#the fun and whimsy#glad we all agree on those fuckass animals though#i love derpy and sussie#i don't even hate the saja boys#i just genuinely don't care about them#i feel like an asshole but i gotta say it#kinda funny how the movie kinda revolves around the lives of these girls and most of the fans are eating at the crumbs from the boys#but it's familiar#no hate#!!!#no hate to shippers#this is lighthearted#i literally purposely avoided the 'propaganda' aka rumi & jinu#there is some genuinely great stuff that's up my alley#but it's few and far between#it's a good story#there's good ships#but if i see one more picture of abby...#he makes me SO uncomfortable 😭#my friend was yelling 'SHE WOULD NOT DO THAT' to every mira and abby fanart#k pop demon hunters#kpop demon hunters#kpdh#huntrix#istg if this gets me into discourse#i cannot do that again
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An annoying phenomenon I've noticed
Alternatively: Whatever you do, don't go onto the TDP reddit
(Alternatively, let people ship things)
#TDP fandom critical#fandom critical#dragon prince fandom critical#warning#discourse#the dragon prince fandom critical#want to cover all my bases cause this is a complaining post#and want to make sure that the people who don't want to see it don't see it#anyway#onto the fun tags#the dragon prince#tdp soren#tdp corvus#sorvus#but this always seems like a trend for mlm ships specifically#and I'm sick of it as an mlm#like yes I would also like healthy male friendships to appear onscreen#but they are not a rarer breed than authentic mlm rep of MAIN CHARACTERS#I love Runaan and Ethari but they are the background gay dads of TDP#Soren has been important since episode 1#how about instead of shaming fans for hoping for mlm rep#you spend that energy on telling filmakers how much you want a healthy friendship between men#let us see ourselves#smh#Its just thinly veiled homophobia at this point#its fine if you don't ship it just don't bring that to other people's posts#and certainly don't wax poetic about how straight men are so oppressed these days#and how we need less gay people on screen#cause thats what you sound like#anyway this will be my only post about this hopefully
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“Ppl only hate fanon bc they don’t understand how fandom works-” have you considered that the fanon is complete dog shit especially compared to the original? That the fanon might be sexist, racist or just generally bigoted? Or that the canon is way more interesting and complex?
#and by ‘fanon’ I mean fan ships specifically#no im not being a prude or ‘hate fun’ bc I think the relationship between these two characters doesn’t make sense#I like the source material well enough to pay attention to what it’s trying to say#rather than just look at it in face value#fandom#canon vs fanon#fan shipping#canon ship#fandom discourse#fandom discussion
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Me: I joke about writing the same McCoy centric story over and over again in different ways
Me: and like. I love doing it and imma keep doing it because it makes me happy.
Me: but also. I do sometimes wonder if it's like. A little Much.
Me: like maybe I should branch out or something
Me: [reads another fundamental and extremely insulting misread of McCoy's character by someone who is clearly making a Choice to cast McCoy as the villain, because they have to get him out of the way of spirk, because they're too???? idk immature??? to realize that even when you're in a relationship with one person, other ppl can and SHOULD still be important to you]
Me: lmao I hope I AM too much actually!!!! I hope it is 100% obnoxious how much I love that doctor!!!!! Time to write more versions of the same story of McCoy being forced to realize that he is loved and cared for!!!!!!
Me: I KNOW MY NICHE AND IMMA DIE IN THAT NICHE, THANKS
#mine#not putting this in the mcc*y/tr*k tags bc i am venting not trying to start 💾🐎 [discourse]#but woof. WOOF. i want you to know that if you hate the doc then sp*ck and k*rk would hate YOU#like seeing someone say they're sp*ck or jim coded and then say flagrantly absurd things about mcc*y.......u are garbage coded actually.#sp*ck and k*rk would literally never#i will never understand how so many ppl can ship mcc*y’s besties and then???? hate on mcc*y?????????#i block LIBERALLY so i have a lot of b*nes haters blocked already tbf#i just stumble across one in the wild sometimes alas#that mindset btw is how that counseling fic came about lmao - we were talking about how if sp*rk dated they'd still drag mcc*y EVERYWHERE#romantic or platonic he is THEIRS just like they're HIS. it's a triumvir*te my guy#any two of them hook up they're still making the third stay at their side 24/7 lolllllll#how can you claim to love sp*ck and k*rk and so fundamentally misunderstand them and their relationship with b*nes#genuinely tragique#you are missing out on so much fun#we are not watching the same show lmao <3 leave my doctor alone <3 leave his bfs alone too <3#me: i should let things go / sp*ck: have you instead considered being a petty bitch / me: what / sp*ck: they can get fucked and die mad 🖖#me: ur so right sp*ck / sp*ck: i usually am#guess who literally just found out that if the word is contained w/in a longer tag it now shows up if you search that word!!!!!#that change very well may not be recent but i just found out!!!! anyway. asterisks added.#i give up. tumblr keeps putting this in the fucjing tags. hellsite (full of hatred)#eta: didn't think to make this non-rebloggable earlier but now it is lmao. it's just a vent post y'all <3
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I mean… wlw content get overshadowed by mlm ships everyday so it is insensitive a little
Not to sound too mean but what do you expect me to do? I get that sapphic ships get overshadowed and underrated all the time in comparison to achillean ones. Believe me. I am a lesbian who is constantly pushing their sapphic ships everywhere.
But you can't expect people to suddenly stop posting about the achillean ships they enjoy just because they're more popular than YOUR favorite ships. Is it bothersome that achillean ships get more attention for the sole reason of being a male pairing while sapphic ships get ignored or not even suggested? Yeah!!!! It's frustrating.
But if you want some change in the amount of content you see then it's YOUR fight only and others should be allowed to post whatever they like. If you want to post only sapphic ships or you're bothered by them being talked in the same light as achillean ones, then it's YOUR choice to make.
Fandom is NOT activism!!! Fandom is meant to be enjoyed in whatever way you want. Fandom is to interpret media in your own way. So, honestly, if I want to make a simple post comparing two ships I like, why should I be trying to defend myself here for that? If people don't like it, then they can just block me, scroll, move on, etc.
To think a post about comparing fictional ships is insensitive is insane to me, tbh.
#bro i just made a post comparing a sapphic and an achillean ship please relax lmao#& don't act like this isn't specifically about shuggy hate bc i'm sure if it had been any other mlm ship i wouldn't have been getting hate#can i just PLEASE run my account however i like#also touch some grass these are fictional characters and making a wlw ship more popular won't do any changes in real life#and even if it did bc after all fandom IS a social enviornment and normalizing sapphic relationships is great always:#you can't just tell people they're being insensitive when it's just a simple post#i understand your point i really do#you think that comparing a sapphic ship to an achillean ship is bad bc it makes it focus on MEN only#and we already live in a men's world to have to deal with more men ig#but !!!!!!!!! something really fun about fandom is that it's FICTION and it does not affect reality in any way#and yes it is bothersome in a social level that male characters are more popular and we can study that and be bothered by it#but to claim it's insesitive or bad or harmful is just plainly stupid#once again fandom is not activism and i don't owe anyone to change my posts to highlight other ships more when my acc MINE#tldr i hate these discourses bc it makes ME be rude when i hate that#in fact i wouldn't be this mean rn if it wasn't bc i'm getting A LOT of asks abt this bc of a simple post lmao#you know i have a job to care about it's insane to me that you have enough free time to go to other people's acc to complain
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i think ppl who are super online or into fandom should watch/read/etc something without ever touching fandom discourse or making aus or shipping characters just like every once in a while
#this isn’t a diss at shipping or aus#i participate in that sometimes#and its fun#im mostly saying like#sometimes people seem to get way too engrossed in the idea of fandom to the point its not even about enjoying the source material atp#and it also seems to result in fans acting like the creators of things have some obligation#to keep in mind a fandom or how a fandom would feel ab their thing#and i think that’s a stupid mindset#a writer should not be like i better specify this specific thing so there’s not meaningless discourse about it on tumblr!#☀️��🔥#i just think it’s not particularly good to get really into a fandom of anything and everything you consume#mostly bc of the way fandoms are nowadays#also maybe i’m a bit tired of seeing really good series/whatever turned into au/shipping fodder and nothing else#if you’re going to do that at least pretend you like the source material outside of the character designs#idk im rambling i might make this a more cohesive post later lawl
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Saw a rather mean post last night, and genuinely, I do not understand how people can play Persona 5 (particularly Royal), and come out thinking Akechi genuinely hates Joker when Morgana outright states for the audience, "You don't really hate Joker, do you?" Akechi laments how they didn't meet a few years earlier and how they could've been "great rivals, perhaps even friends." o_O Like... is this a vanilla thing? I genuinely don't get it. The interrogation room wasn't even his idea (SIU director mentions as much). It's not even about the ship- the game spells out that their bond is more complex, and it just so happens that a lot of people like to explore it as one. Even as platonic, tho, there's a shit ton of depth. Idk, any time I see discourse (especially people making fun of Shuake fans and stuff), I just question how many people actually paid attention to the dialogue. Even the "I hate you speech" reads as him being extremely emotionally constipated and conflicted. Plus, y'know...
Very hateful. Sure. :p Idk, maybe certain playthroughs of the game remove all those moments where the game spells out that they have a special bond (Maruki even states it isn't based on hatred, but that's only if you get his third awakening). Just wish people would get off their high horses, if anything. Sometimes I see people get really condescending about liking Akechi or liking Shuake, and like... just block the tags if you don't like these things instead of posting untagged ship/character bashing and making fun of fans? At least have the decency to tag it as something that Shuake fans can filter because some of those posts are really mean-spirited. :/ You think we haven't heard it all before? I may be new to the fandom, but I have heard that this BS has been going on for years.
I don't think it really matters if there are "healthier" ship options because some of us prefer the messiness, the depth, and complexity. It's not for everyone, and I respect favoring more straightforwardly sweet and wholesome dynamics or wishing your favorite pair got more spotlight. I'm a Riku and Kairi shipper in Kingdom Hearts, for crying out loud. :P I get it, but you're not gonna win anyone over to your side by telling them that [insert ship here] is better. In my case, it makes me more averse because of how deeply their relationship in the confidant, engine room, and third sem touched me and seeing people go "yeah, but you are wrong for feeling that way, THIS is better" is just... yeah. :/ (Also, people gotta learn the difference between hitmen and serial killers. Akechi is the former, which I've ranted about before, but yeah.)
So many fandom problems could be solved if people didn't take the piss out of others for shipping something they don't personally like. x_x; By all means, feel the way you feel, it's okay to not like things.
#goro akechi#persona 5#persona#persona 5 joker#joker p5#akira kurusu#ren amamiya#not naming names but the amount of times i see people shit on shuake fans while ignoring blatant dialogue in the game#i was just trying to look for cool akechi posts last night#every time people make fun of shuake fans i like the other joker ships less and less tbh#the ship and the character mean so much to me#discourse
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Out of all the ships, which would you say are the most heavily implied in-game?
generally i have a rule of no shipping on this blog and will ignore any asks i get about it but you know what i'll do this one because idk sounds fun. and also if it's canon i get free pass.
the thing you have to remember is that this is an idol game. idol games/franchises like love live/bandori/enstars etc are known for ship baiting to hell and back but never actually doing anything about it because, well, money. even though they'll tease at lots of ships because that way you make more fans happy the writers often have more obvious favorites (sometimes if one that they don't really write becomes popular within fandom they'll add it in as well), and this is definitely the case with project sekai. will they ever make any characters be official couples? i dunno, but it's unlikely unless they decide to pull a D4DJ (that said prsk isn't subtle about the fact that Mizuki is trans and they did address that gay people exist that one time, so there's always a chance). anyway
it's explicitly stated in the text that An views the events of Buddy Funny Spend Time as romantic. In her Peak Excitement card story she calls it a date and the way that she, her dad and Mizuki talk about it is in a not-platonic way. Out of the four from that event though, she is the only one who seems to view it as an actual date. So she's canonically romantically interested in Kohane. Oh and Kohane is attracted to her and is very heavily implied to reciprocate if the An wedding event wasn't obvious enough about it.
also i wrote this that one time
other than that there's definitely some other instances of characters showing attraction to each other, and some things that are very much written to have romantic undertones that fans can interpret in that way if they choose to, and also the use of daisuki on like 6 ships (which is the idol game's favorite word for love because it's more ambiguous), and some cover songs that are explicitly romantic but then again you can do the "it's just a song" excuse. the above two examples are the most explicitly stated ships though. at the end of the day at least we technically have two canon ships even if it's only confirmed in the text from one side and they aren't dating because as long as the feelings are there that's really what counts as canon, right? like who cares if they're dating it's incredibly unlikely that the game will ever do that so it's not really worth arguing over which ones are more likely to date.
#asks#i think prsk is a lot of ppl's first idol game and maybe that's why the arguments around shipping are so...*gestures vaguely* like that.#like i think some people genuinely believe there are actual romance subplots and stuff#and yknow maybe prsk will do that some day but. not right now at least#anyway ship discourse is pointless and makes everyone pissy when shipping should be fun and make you happy bc you want your blorbos to kiss#and ultimately what's most canon/implied in the game doesn't matter because i don't think the writers really care that much and will write#whatever will make fans happy because they want to get paid. so just like what ships you like and enjoy it#and don't threaten to murder 13 year olds
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The fact that I am being driven crazy by the strange obsession a lot of tma Tumblr users have with a wrong interpretation of Michael Distortion is actually so Distortion coded it's kinda funny
#hes not neon fun quirky boy#its a manipulator gaslighter who seeks out only to make jon and co more and more angry and confused and driven to mistakes.#its only distorted in a way to make you question your sanity. and not in a colorful way#im ranting and i feel the full influence of its gleeful sadism on my mind lol#all tumblr depicts him as is basically onceler 2.0 with a rainbow blond twist and whaaaaa#tumblr be tumblr i guess 😆😆😆#also imma rant about how hes shipped with gerry when he was working with his dad. this isnt to negate the ship yall are perfectly valid!#i just personally dont like it. i do like eric and michael ships tho. those have a fun dynamic#i live michael shelley and feel awful for him#but tumblr done the distortion dirty :')#i go mainly for body horror distortions that emody the feel of insanity incarnate#rather than the neon rainbow ones#unless they manage to convey the feel as well#end of rant#discourse#also MORE DISTORTION HELEN!! BUT ALSO NOT IN A RAINBOW WAY BUT A HORROR SHE SMILES WAY TOO MUCH WHATS SHE HIDING WAYYYY
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the amount of antis in the ygofandom now.
#the cryptoconservatism is getting a lot less tolerance from me from now on i think. bc of reasons ha#i cant believe u think anime and cartoons and shit are real kids. get well soon but also fuck that#& the sex neg moral panic and the redfem ideology attached to it. i dont think i can be as patient about it anymore#if fandom anti bs is part of whats introduced folks into a conservative pipeline via virtue signaling & exclusionism#then why mince words about it tbh. make this embarrassing again. moral panic is embarrassing. cryptoconservatism is embarrassing#that ygofandom used to be what it was in the 2000s to mid '10s & the LIVING PROOF that radfem/anti ideals are practically factually FAKE#like genuinely can we STOP PRETENDING that its ok to think the worst of a real person's character for ships & shit#when oldschool girlies had YUGI and KAIBA FUCKING HARD NASTY & MESSED TF UP and didnt all en masse grow up to be what antis INSIST we will#OBVIOUSLY....idk how this take spread so easily (jk i know now moral panic always works without enough pushback) but its CLEARLY INCORRECT#anyway too many eng speaking ygoblogs that come across my feed who i dont already follow are antis. on their profile. so thats fun#it's a big reason for why i havent been sharing as much of it these days#fandom discourse
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Yo anon is just an sjw and does not speak for anyone other than themselves. You are not hurting anyone and you are just having fun i for one love this au. They need to learn that if something is not for them then all they should do is not read it instead of trying to get you to stop doing it. As long as you are not influencing anyone to do these things you are fine and you are also NOT responsible for anyone who acts or behaves in certain ways to this form of media. Do what you love and dont let anon stop you.
oh honey!!!!!! thank u so much idk wat 2 say >.< !!! yea i completely agree! but u kno how fings are nowadays -.-' i make shore to always tag everyfin properly so that no one gets hurt and also try to b as respectful as i can aboat the subject while still having my own fun! im glad u and other amazing peeps agree that this place needs a bit of spice to balance all the sugar~ <333
psst! wanna know a secret? i don't fink davekat is that innocent of a ship. and they definitely have potential to be veeeeeery fucked up. :)
#btw aboat that art: i wanted to add a few more little details but my dear PR agent(moirail) has strongly advised me against it#so you get the sanitized version >:P#homestuck#davekat#dave strider#karkat vantas#yandere dave#i also would like to talk more aboat how davekat is not an innocent ship but it does not fit this post currently#i would also also like to add that i do not wish to be labeled as either 'antishipper' or 'proshipper'#i am terminally online but in the 2000s sense. NOT wjatever the hell kids are nowadays! come on guys.#i know discourse makes fings more fun and less bland but somefings are rlly harmful for our environment.....#ruroekaki#ask#pls respect everyone!!! let the weirdos b weirdos as long as theyre not harming any1#i yearn for me old dayz......*adjusts my hat*
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You're playing dolls differently than me. I have to kill you now :/
#“youre shipping these fictional characters different from me. im legally required to send you a death threat.”#shitpost#i like making fun of shipping discourse :)
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In a lot of starscream shipping content he's mostly always seen as the one being jealous, always the one chasing after someone who is either annoyed of him or hates him at first or it's extremely one sided or he's just there to be a bad guy. It's always fun to switch it around and write starscream as the one who gets to be seen as desirable and has people chasing after him who love him.
#i stopped reading megop/megastar content because it was clear that the authors/artists hated Starscream and just wanted a villain#and I've also seen this with Starscream when it's supposed go be megarod/megastar/starrod#and then in ships where its just him and another person they hate him#so its fun to twist that#i love the idea of Rodimus being obsessed with him#and i also like blurr and wheel jack too#and sometimes even Optimus#like starscream keeps up a face that everyone loves him but he knows people dont#he knows that people just put up with him#so to actually have people love him especially people who hated him at first#like rodimus and Optimus both loving him#but there would be some discourse in that#but Starscream would make optimus and Rodimus fuck to settle things
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As fun as fandom can be, my hot take is that fandom participation inevitably creates ship wars and causes people to sour on ships and characters when that wouldn’t have happened if they watched without any fandom influence involved.
I watched season 1 through 8a all together without once dipping my toe into the fandom outside of season-specific fics, reading any fandom think pieces, or reading any actor/showrunner interviews.
Without being influenced by any of those biases, I came out of my binge loving all the characters and all the ships. I was excited to finally dip into the fandom side of things and further my enjoyment. It’s been fun but wow, some people are really determined to ruin their own good time with this show.
I’ve barely scratched the surface on understanding the anti perspectives on all sides and frankly I don’t want to go any further than that. It’s a downer. I just wanna enjoy the characters and ships without bashing “competing” characters and ships. But there’s negativity everywhere you turn, even when you’re not seeing it out.
I do think one side (b*ddie) is more vitriolic with it from what I’ve seen so far. Significantly so, tbh. But negativity is still evident with BT enthusiasts too. I don’t care who “wins.” This is a TV show, not a sporting event lol. I think more people would have a better time in fandom if they treated the source material as something they cannot influence or change and they didn’t put so much energy into the differing ways other fans interpret the source material.
Also if they didn’t try to weaponize actor/showrunner interviews against “the other side” - they can’t give away spoilers in the interviews. They have to be vague, they have to ride the fence. There’s always gonna be tons of clicks for bringing up a ship with a 6+ season history. It shouldn’t be surprising nor upsetting when journalists lean into that angle.
Anyway in conclusion- multi shipping is apparently hard in this fandom lol but by god I’m gonna keep doing it.
#911 abc#anti buddie#anti bucktommy#<- keeping this out of the main ship tags to respect the people who don’t wanna read discourse#anyway I acknowledge that my lack of history in this fandom could mean this is an oversimplified take#but it’s where I’ve landed atm#i just wanna have fun!#I don’t wanna pick a side#I don’t want to hate any characters#they are all flawed and that’s what makes them interesting to watch#but it very much feels like you have to choose#by fellow fans#and I don’t have energy for that
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#genuinely so annoyed abt the state of fandom rn#sometimes i genuinely wish i would mainly ship something outright problematic#if only because that would automatically weed out all the fiction-reality discourse#but its sad that thats a thought process i go through at all#getting jumped on twitter for not really even doing anything just put a bad taste in my mouth because#now i don't feel comfortable talking about anything until i know ive curated my space properly#and i only just started using it so i def havent done that yet#but to find likeminded individuals you have to put yourself out there#and putting yourself out there means putting yourself at risk of being a 14 year old's target of the day#sigh. i actually like a lot of dead dove tropes and i was holding back from talking about them before#because i wasnt sure how comfortably i could do that because i don't wanna make other ppl uncomfortable either#but now im even less comfortable with it#so annoying i swear i just want to have those 3 ppl i can talk to freely who share my energy and vision#also i feel stupid complaining about this bc im way too old to deal w this bullshit#but thats kinda exactly why im complaining i think. im too old to deal with it#i just wanna have fun after a long shitty day#why are teenagers in my mentions making it worse
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Y'all aren't embarrassed to be acting like this?


#i don't understand being this invested in something you don't even like#let alone something like fanfiction which is meant to just be a fun hobby#behavior like this makes fandoms so uncomfortable to be in#like byler or harringrove who cares we're all suppose to be having fun in our little spaces#back in the day that was the norm but now everything has to be a competition apparently#stranger things#stranger things fandom#ao3#antis#will x mike#billy x steve#fandom discourse#shipping discourse
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