#end queer discourse

[oro-junestar]

By cutting out the TQ+, you also cut out:

-Intersex people

-Two-spirit gays and other culturally connected gays

-Gender nonconforming people

-Those who are questioning their sexuality

-Gays, lesbians, and bi's who are supportive of trans people

-Millions of kind, loving, supportive humans who have gone through indescribable, traumatic abuse and wish to build a safe, welcoming community

Why are you so eager to exclude and belittle people? Why do you tell them they 'don't know what real struggle looks like' when their healthcare, their future, and their lives are under attack? Do you truly value 'love', or do you just want to swat away as many people as possible? Why do you continue to hide under a rock and dig yourself deeper into festering hatred, when you can simply come out and support people who can help you?

Wouldn't it be easier to unite with our trans and nonbinary friends to help defeat the growing threat of genuine fascism in our country? Those conservative Christian nationalists and white supremacists who tell you you're "one of the good ones" would gladly turn around and shoot you in a heartbeat, because when they say they're fighting the 'woke gender ideology', they'll mutter in the same breath that you gays are 'degenerates', 'sodomites', and 'animals'. Why would you side with the villains, who see you the same way they see us?

We cannot let oppression continue in any form. We will all be on the winning side of history as we step closer to ending the cycle of hatred and bullying. Open your hearts and minds and you'll find that the everyone around you is just as human as you, and are more similar to you than you'd think. Trans people are people, just like you, and we need your help and support just as much as you need ours.

Isn't it neat how people who are supportive of all LGBTQ+ identities are also kinder, more loving, more empathetic, and more caring towards their friends and loved ones? Just something to think about.

Love wins. Trans rights are human rights.

[queerum]

aromantics are way too comfortable implying friendship is the most valuable part of life to bitch about alloros doing the same thing with romance

[nartblartmallcop]

every now and then a few relics from the old world wind up in the gaslight district, usually brought back and put up for sale by deep sea divers. Older Rotlings can get pretty nostalic about it too, allthough memories tend to get fuzzy after several millenia

AKA queer headcanon stuff

[lenodrysalad]

"Eddie said he's straight! Buck said Eddie was straight! Buck said he's not in love with his best friend! They shut down Buddie in the show it isn't happening ya'll are delusional! Queerbait! Queerbait! Blah blah blah"

I feel like I'm going insane. I'm sure we're all tired of people shouting "media literacy" every five seconds, but like... Yeah, develop some media literacy, please.

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't usually like romance, despite being subjected to it in basically every piece of media. As someone who doesn't generally look for love stories. As someone who loved Buddie but didn't consider any serious possibility of it becoming canon before season 7/8, who refused to believe Buddie was truly happening until I couldn't deny it anymore: this episode is loud.

Please understand how narrative arcs work. How character arcs work. How character development works. How serial broadcast television works. Understand how writing works. Consider context; take the whole episode, the whole season, and the whole series into account instead of treating things like they exist in isolation.

I'm too tired to go through the step-by-step details of the episode to prove why these, "they said it on screen, therefore..." takes are shortsighted and ignorant; plenty of people have done that already.

But that episode, even if we do take it in isolation, is textbook. Do people really take everything characters say at face value? Do people not watch other character's reactions? Listen to what else is being said? Watch what is being shown? Consider the implications? Themes? Narrative devices?

Consider that maybe, just maybe, characters can be unreliable narrators, or believe something to be true only for that belief to change later. These things don't happen in one episode. There's such a thing as set-up, foreshadowing, the starting point of a plot. 911 is a serial drama, therefore it is going to have A) long-form story and character arcs, and B) drama.

Characters are not going to move in straight lines, or talk in therapy speak, or solve every problem in an hour. They are not always going to be right, or self-aware, or truthful, or rational. Direct dialogue does not equate to honest dialogue.

Also, saying, "well in real life, people do this, I do that, their feelings would be this, yadda yadda yadda" means nothing. Your experiences are not universal, and more importantly, this is a work of fiction. Realism is whatever the story says it is; it's going to do whatever creates the most dramatic, interesting, developmentally beneficial, or emotionally satisfying story. Whether you like that story or not is irrelevant to the fact that stories are not going to cater to all your expectations or real-world experiences.

To people pointing to Tim or the actor's interviews as "proof" they're shutting down Buddie: again, please understand how broadcast television works. They are not going to tell us everything that's going to happen before it happens. They are going to play the neutral zone, the "wait and see," the "will they/won't they." They are going to lie. That is television production 101. You can compare what they've said in the past with canon and list all the contradictions, misdirection, and twists you didn't see coming because they didn't spoil it for you. Watch the show. That is the canon.

They're also not catering to fandom--people they already know are devoted to the show, familiar with Buddie, and consistently tuning in. They're introducing the idea of Buddie to the general audience, people who likely haven't considered the possibility before. The GA has to see that Buddie is an option, so the show needs to manifest it as if it's a brand new concept. This episode pulled the pin on that grenade in a very obvious way; the idea that Buck could be in love with Eddie and that Eddie could not be straight has been planted. The next seed will be Eddie's feelings. Now the show needs to water it and let it grow.

One last thing. Been seeing a fair amount of hand-wringing and condescension over people interpreting this episode differently. As if this is some sort of "gotcha" for bad writing, baiting, or people being stupid. Listen, genuine complaints about this show's writing aside, different interpretations or inferences are completely normal. This isn't unique. That is how people interact with stories, through personal biases, experiences, emotions, and expectations. That isn't inherently a bad thing. It's totally fine to have your own views; media is all about interpretation.

However, it is also true that just because you have an interpretation, that doesn't make it true. Not all interpretations are equal in their validity, evidence, or warrants. The show has an intention, it has a story in mind. If you don't see it, sure, that could be a failure of the writing, but it could also very well be a failure of your analysis, especially when the show hasn't finished telling the story. Looking at one thing in isolation and forming your whole conclusion based around that makes for poor critique.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see who's right.

[tiredbit]

I’ve known I was trans masc since I was 14. I knew then that it would be years before I would be safe to transition (if I ever did at all).

It’s been years and I find little ways to express my gender but I’m in my twenties now and I still know it will be years until I will be safe to transition (if I ever will at all).

Which is a long way to say, I am trans masc and I haven’t transitioned yet. I look like a woman. I play the part of a woman for work, school and at home. People think I am a woman.

So, please tell me how I experience male privilege. Tell me how it’s misgendering myself to call the prejudice I face misogyny. Tell me how I materially benefit from my trans masc identity

[bookwyrminspiration]

pisses me off when homophobes are like "I think it's wrong, but I believe in loving the sinner!! <3" or whatever. great. you're going to be patronizingly/passively homophobic instead of overtly violently homophobic. still homophobic and I still want nothing to do with you or your "love"

[asgardian--angels]

things I wish I could relive for the first time again:

that magical window where you finish a new piece of media, having watched/read it all by yourself with no fandom contact whatsoever, and you are just so happy about it, and full of interesting theories and takeaways, and just in love with it as a gorgeous piece of art.

because I swear to god as soon as you join the fandom for anything, you're bombarded with how you're supposed to view characters and their arcs, how you're supposed to morally and ethically judge the plot and the ways it apparently failed to present the right message, and if you don't you'll either be shunned for not sharing the popular headcanons or you'll be harassed for not criticizing the source material enough.

like how is it that the fans of a piece of media are also the ones being the most negative about it? If I like a show or a movie or a book, well, I liked it. That's kind of the point. I'm actually not here to tear it apart and talk about how it didn't live up to standards other people had! I enjoyed it for what it was, and forcing myself to find negative things to say about it doesn't actually bring me more enjoyment of it or reap any benefit to me. Fandom's a double-edged sword; you want to join a community to share your love for a piece of art, and the price you pay for a modicum of joy is a mountain of negativity. that's one main reason that I never engage with fandom until I'm completely done with a show, because if I was plugged into all of that commentary and discourse during the process, I'd be completely colored by how I'm expected to interpret everything this piece of art is presenting to me without being able to even form my own opinions.

[unsaltedtoast]

the absurd amount of ppl on tiktok who are participating in the whole 'whats the definition of lesbian' and 'are lesboys valid' discourse who are so anti-discussion that they comment 'cringe' when you tell them to read actual lesbian history is so funny like ??

[jingledbells]

i keep seeing this semi-nicheish queer argument/discourse on my dash but I don’t even know what to think now because I keep seeing it from both sides and my head hurts

[gods-angriest-girlthing]

you're arguing with each other about each others' gender identity/sexuality/attraction identity/assigned sex at birth. america is rapidly hurdling towards fascism and every queer life is at fucking stake, and YOU ARE ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER?????

get a fucking grip. stop being concerned about neo and xeno pronouns. don't get caught up in whether or not he/him lesbians are valid or not. buckle the fuck down and protect each other. conservatives are not going to pass over you just because "you're one of the good queers" because if they are going to try and kill all queer people, that means that they are going to try and kill you too.

y'all talk big game, saying "oh the way we're living doesn't concern conservatives, it doesn't affect them in any way, get their laws off of our lives" AND THEN YOU ACT AS THOUGH THE WAY THAT OTHER QUEER PEOPLE ARE LIVING AFFECTS YOU. IT FUCKING DOESN'T.

support each other, protect each other. you don't have to get along and you don't have to agree, but at the end of the day the only thing queer people truly have is each other, because who the fuck else is going to protect us aside from each other?

[priestblaster]

is anyone else been getting force fed a disturbing amount of casual biphobia lately????? i really do try to go out my way to avoid it but it's been everywhere and about everything???? sometimes i think bisexuals should be meaner

[infiniteaugends]

Pretty Little Liars some how infested my YouTube algorithm. So now I must make a post discussing Emily Fields because man did they do my girl dirty.

First a disclaimer: I never watched more than two seasons. I sort of followed the general story tracks, but I stopped watching after Maya was killed.

Emily Fields was the first queer character I saw on TV. As a closeted bi girl in an orthodox conservative Mormon home Emily’s coming out story was so important to me. The way her parents reacted before coming to terms with their daughter’s sexuality was very much how I imaged my own coming out was likely to go.

Maya being bisexual was also so important to me. She was the first character I looked at and saw my own experience in. Maya made me feel like I wasn’t alone for the first time in a very long time. When Maya was sent to conversion therapy and Emily and her had to deal with the horror and trauma of that I recognized this happened to queer people in my community. This is all to say that watching pretty little liars in secret I saw two people who I related to. Two people who made me feel, for the first time, like I wasn’t wrong and how I felt wasn’t shameful.

I stopped watching the show when they killed Maya off. It was such a slap in the face that she was the first character to be killed off. It became even worse as the story progressed to reveal she was killed because she slept with the wrong person and her death had nothing to do with anything. Then just to kick us in the teeth all the other girls pretty much ended up with their first serious love interests and Maya was such a great love interest for Emily, but instead they killed her off.

There was no reason to kill Maya off other than her being a bisexual woman of color. They took this character that meant so much to a young queer, scared me and then showed me a future of death and pain. It really put me off the show to see characters that were so important to me (characters that I saw myself in for the first time) treated so cruelly and like they never mattered.

Just watching a video essay brought back all those feelings of watching in horror as this show took the representation that was my lifeline and burned it. Those feelings of having to drown in silence because I would have to come out to talk to anyone about it.

[stunfiskz]

aware how fucking lame i sound saying this but i think the last few months in particular ive really started to understand the view of the type of person who says that they’re queer but don’t consider themself part of the community

[noob-handler]

The kink at pride discourse is still around and rancid in 2024

Y'ALL LITERALLY SOUND LIKE CONSERVATIVES SHUT THE ACTUAL FUCK UP!!!! And all of this was under a video of men in speedos

Anyways, kinksters built pride parades and you puritans can die mad about it. if you don't like it, just stay home and go back to headcanoning straight celebrities as gay. i am so ashamed of my generation

[itzphynix]

Idk why the fucken... Divide between "it was alternate universes" & "Paul is just trans" ideas for Petscop has to be torn into a cavern. Paul being trans DOES make sense, but requires you to ignore huge details that immediately make it not work. The alternate universes DO kind of make sense, but require you to extrapolate out a lot of info purposefully left unshown.

It's hard to describe what i want to say, here -- i do think Paul being trans makes sense, 'splains why he & Care "look eeriely similar," you could argue he's just thoroughly blocked out that part of his life enough to have forgotten Care entirely, etc. I like it, & i keep it as i also say "Yeah, it's that & the universes theory." It's not two switches that demand you can only flip on one of them -- you can have both. You can have neither. Do whatever

[f4ggydog]

i don’t even fuck with the butchfemme community but if posts like that gun one get crybaby radfems to leave the community, I’ll rejoice. I’m sorry but I genuinely don’t have empathy for ppl like this I really wish they would suffocate and die instead of bitching and whining among us