#prophecy and truth

[tabutesakina]

The Hidden Threads of Divine Leadership: Unveiling the Consensus Fallacy

Across the tapestry of human history, a persistent thread weaves through diverse cultures and religions: the promise of divine leadership. Whether through prophecies or ancient symbols, the notion of a select few guiding humanity towards truth and justice has captivated hearts and minds. But beneath this universal theme lies a profound question: can the truth ever be dictated by consensus?

A Mosaic of Divine Guidance

In the biblical tradition, the 12 tribes of Israel stand as pillars of divine order, guiding the Children of Israel through their journey. This concept echoes in Christianity, where Jesus’ 12 apostles are seen as the custodians of his teachings. Each represents not only leadership but a divine mandate to continue the legacy of truth.

Similarly, in Islam, the lineage of the 12 Imams, beginning with Imam Ali (AS), embodies this divine guidance. This sacred line, revered as the protectors and interpreters of truth, fulfills a role anticipated by prophets before them.

The Enigmatic Queen of Nature

Turning to ancient Hindu Vedic texts, we encounter the intriguing symbol of the Queen of Nature or Devi. Adorned with a crown of 11 rubies—each symbolizing one of her sons—she represents a profound concept of divine authority. The crown itself, often interpreted as a symbol of supreme divine power, hints at a deeper narrative of divine leadership.

Could this imagery be more than mere symbolism? Might it reflect a universal archetype of divine rule that resonates across cultures? This parallel to the Islamic concept of Fatimah Zahra (SA), with Imam Ali (AS) as the crown and her 11 sons as the divine Imams, suggests a recurring theme in humanity's search for divine guidance.

The Buddhist Prophecy: The Awaited Maitreya

In Buddhism, the prophecy of the Maitreya, the future Buddha, foretells the arrival of a divine teacher who will restore righteousness and compassion. This awaited savior aligns with the Islamic belief in the Mahdi, the 12th Imam destined to reestablish justice. Both traditions share a vision of a final leader who will fulfill the promise of divine order.

Ghadeer Khum: The Moment of Revelation

The convergence of these ancient prophecies and symbols reached a decisive moment at Ghadeer Khum. Here, Prophet Muhammad (SAWW), under divine command, appointed Imam Ali (AS) as his successor. This declaration was not merely a political statement; it was the realization of a divine promise:

"For whomever I am his Mawla (master), Ali is his Mawla."

This event marked the culmination of a lineage of divine leadership, affirming the role of Imam Ali (AS) in a manner anticipated across various traditions.

The Consensus Illusion: When Majority Fails

Despite the clear declaration of truth at Ghadeer Khum, many chose to follow the majority rather than the appointed leader. This pivotal moment underscores a critical lesson: truth is often upheld by the few, while the many are swayed by consensus.

Islamic teachings caution against following the majority when it contradicts divine guidance. The Qur’an reminds us:

"And if you obey most of those on earth, they will lead you astray from the path of Allah” (6:116).

This verse highlights that truth is not a product of majority opinion but of divine instruction.

Unveiling the Truth Beyond Consensus

As we delve into the layers of ancient prophecies, symbols, and historical events, we uncover a timeless truth: consensus cannot form truth. The divine lineage of leadership—whether through the 12 chosen ones, the Queen of Nature, or the Imams—demonstrates that truth persists beyond the sway of the majority.

The legacy of Imam Ali (AS) and his 11 subsequent son Imams represents the fulfillment of this divine promise. Even when the majority turns away, the essence of truth remains steadfast, carried by those divinely appointed to lead. This reflection urges us to seek beyond the superficialities of consensus, to question deeply, and to follow the path illuminated by divine guidance, even if it means standing apart from the crowd.

[reality-detective]

The Prophecy of the Last Pope 🤔

They have finally announced that the Pope has passed away 🤔

[yikesy]

I just think this fandom, for a work that practically revolves around gods, is weirdly against gods as a concept, so, I plead you to understand, being a god is not a morally charged state

for anyone but especially for born gods like apollo

and apollo likes being a god, he likes his domains and being good at them and seeing other people be good at them, he likes answering prayers and teaching and helping and guiding people, he likes seeing and learning new things as the world changes and he likes being immortal and having powers and being a part of the world

his problem has never been with being a god and everything with being under zeus and in fact!! i would even argue the heart of his conflict with zeus is how he doesn't let him be a god; he doesn't let him help his people and constantly twists his already bullshit laws so that he specifically can't help anyone at all even if it falls directly under his domain and also spreads weird propaganda misinformation on fate and prophecy and then turns around to blame him every time reality doesn't agree with his delusions

my point is really, that being a god is a central and important part of apollo's identity and that's not?? a morally bad thing he needs to be narratively punished for?? or a moral failing he needs to leave behind in order to be a good person???

[redlilith5]

PJO X DC

Bruce: "Tim this is Duke Thomas. He's gonna be living with us from now on and is th-" *keeps talking*

Tim and Duke: *staring at each other and remembering how last summer they bombed a whole group of monsters, killed a humanoid monster in front of mortals which forced them into stealing a mortals vehicle while getting chased by mortal police and monsters in disguise*

Tim: "Nice to meet you Duke" :)

Duke: "Nice to meet you too" :D

[phoenixwithapencil]

Ya ever find it weird that Bahamut barely has his role talked about in game? How strange his role really is?

Bahamut, the bladekeeper

Bahamut, the draconian

Bahamut, the keeper of prophecies and creator of the crystal

Bahamut, the god of war

Bahamut, the god who never provided a real reason for why so much blood had to be spilled for his prophecy to come true

Bahamut, who misled Ardyn and Somnus both into petty violence

Bahamut, who told Ardyn to spread the scourge upon the world for decades

Bahamut, who let Ardyn go on a vengeful killing spree just long enough to really hate Lucis- but not get his revenge- and then let him go back on his merry way to Nifilheim and Verstael Besithia who had ambitions of war and tin soldiers powered by scourge

Bahamut, who enabled a war that killed nearly everyone on both sides not to mention those who were caught in the crossfire- a war that would not have been so bloody had Ardyn not had such a hand in it

Bahamut, who demanded a blood price 2,000 years in the making- who really demanded two sacrifices- Ardyn and Noctis- who did not need both for there is a world where Noctis at least lives and the sun rises and no one else needed to die for it.

Bahamut, the god of war, the creator of the crystal

It’s a strange pairing when taken with the story of ff15. That’s all.

[snowangelnoelle]

putting together some bits from chapter four (mainly things said by the organikks) and the spamton sweepstakes page, possibly things that indicate what happened to dess?

so starting with the secret room in the long hall of windows in the second sanctuary (found by walking through one of the windows), there's a prophecy which just says "roots" with a picture of a house and trees. an organikk stands next to it. there also a bookshelf with a book you can read that says "and so wept the fallen star, making rivers with its tears. then, slowly, from the bitter water, something grew. it looked like glass." walking between this room and the hall of windows is how you access the egg room, which looks like a hospital and has kris seem to participate in art therapy, in a way that indicates they've perhaps done it before. also in the long window hall there are several organikks which, all their dialouge put together say, "what do you call a man with one eye? why does the angel make its cry? who will call the girl who snows? i don't know... ha ha ha... i don't know!". that's not necessarily important for this post but i do think that the "fallen star" that wept rivers and "why does the angel make its cry" is an interesting connection.

anyways, the organikk by the prophecy image says there is "something in between" (the egg room, presumably), and "it was mixed up", then says a bunch of words in a randomised order which is different each time - however the punctuation and capitalisation of the words never changes, so it's clear from that which the first and last words are.

i believe the correct order is most likely "Lost where the forest would grow, children followed the pointed tail." there was a page in the second round of spamton sweepstakes pages with the URL /lostwheretheforestwouldgrow which alluded to this room, showing part of the prophecy, so i'm assuming that's the first part (first because the "Lost" is always capitalised so is probly the first word, and "grow," always has a comma after it). "tail." always has a full stop so must be the last word, and the rest is just filling it in in the way that makes the most sense. the organikk then says "the poor children!" which is also the URL of a page on the deltarune site (which hinted at the egg room).

there's another set of prophecies later in the game that read "they'll hear the ring of heavens call / they'll see the tail of hell take crawl". given that a "pointed tail" could likely refer to a devils tail i think it's probably the same? especially with all the angel stuff, kris' devil horns from when they were young, and jevil who does have a pointed tail (though i'm not sure if it's specifically referring to him).

*and* when battling an organikk one of the things they can say is "the tail which must not be followed" which i think has got to be referring to the pointed tail followed by the children. another dialogue option for the organikks have in battle is "the tale which must be followed" which sort of contrasts the prophecy (the tale which must be followed) with the pointed tail which must NOT be followed, so maybe following this tail deviated from the prophecy somehow (maybe it lead to dess going missing/becoming the knight, when that wasn't what was prophesied)? i know some people have theorised that she was originally one of the "three heroes" before she went missing, so maybe her not fulfilling that role went against the prophecy? i'm not sure but i wanted to put all these pieces together since i haven't seen anyone collate them yet!!

[heartsings77]

[mcytblrconfessions]

martyn should post "they fucked on that altar" and turn off his phone

[sugar-pink-poison]

Wow, first proper Deltarune post and I immediately need to spoiler it lol

Sooooooooo...

Am I the only one who thinks that Ralsei was kind of wrong about Susie AND himself being the two others from the prophecy?

Like, it just makes sense to me if the main Bad Guy/Roaring Knight/Carol (cos let's be real she's 100% involved) picked Noelle and Lancer for the monster and prince?

Lancer is legally a prince, his dad is king and the kingdom is right there and active. Ralsei has...an empty castle and that's it really.

And Noelle. Well, she ended up brought to the dark world anyway, and it's suspicious that she happened to end up there.

But more importantly, it's because it's so easy to get them to do what others want. Lancer goes along with Susie in chapter 1 because he thinks she's cool and tough. He idolises her and does what she says. And in chapter 2, Noelle is manipulated and pressured fairly easily into doing those horrible things in Snowgrave. And then in the continuation, she gets the ring put back on and she's unable to stop it happening because she's to scared to run.

(This is NOT an insult btw, I'm just pointing out that after years of stress from her dad being sick, her sister being gone and Carol beating her down emotionally, of course she would fold when "Kris" starts treating her badly too.)

I could be and probably am completely wrong but it's interesting to think about how much the antagonists WANT the prophecy to happen. Prophecies aren't automatically a good thing...

[thelordismylightandmysalvation]

Christ the Lord is risen, indeed!

Graphic via Verse of the Day - Matthew 28:6

[squeeblub]

*hiding in a bunker with the 4 other copollo fans* pspspsp....apparently in some records commodus died in bed instead of the bath.,,shhhh dont tell anyone.,....

[reality-detective]

Paul Harvey 🤔

[awordfromthegods]

I thought I'd ask Lord Apollo for a sign on whether I should leave my job. I thought I might see a crow, or the sun would be incredibly bright that day, or I'd have a feeling that leaving would be good for me.

Anyway, thank you for the payrise, Apollo.

[themyscirah]

u know if a league of one was about literally any other character it'd be completely insufferable. "Batman lies to the JLA, kos all of them in minutes to do everything alone, then ends up being proven right that only he alone could do it" like I can practically see the discourse forming in front of me. yet when its wonder woman it's the greatest thing ever written

[moodyseal]

Wait so if Python ruling over Delphi = Python being able to interfere with the future and the Fates' design, then Apollo being back in control of Delphi = Apollo being able to interfere with the future and the Fates' design??? 😳

[sand-and-spice]

So, I have some faceblindness (part of autism spectrum) and the first episode of Dune Prophecy was quite confusing to me!

For starters, I had assumed from the trailers that Valya Harkonnen was played by Samantha Morton (that's her on the left, from The Serpent Queen).

It turns out Valya Harkonnen is played by a different actress entirely, Emily Watson (that's her on the right).