#ship discourse is stupid

[undeadgayboynes]

"Michie is toxic and if you don't write them as being abusive, your work is bad"

Erm...

Anyways...

Read my series and passion project, Dog Teeth 💕

https://archiveofourown.org/series/4335733

[casiotonic]

"proshippers dni"

then processed to make a dirkroxy stamp in which Roxy sexually assaults a gay homoerotic man

like you are literally breaking your own dni you are such a hypocrite

just for you anon i decided to go on a beautiful winter walk in the park instead of replying to your shitty made up discourse

[muwwwsky]

no way

[internally-weird]

some anti on tiktok: hey guys just so you know 🌺💞 is a proshit combo for mom x daughter, 🐺🍡 means adult x child and 🦷🧠 is cannibalism kink!!

other antis in the comments: omg thank you!! now i know who to block

proshippers who have never seen those combos in their lives: what

[ed3lsgard]

btw the ppl who diminish mark and helly’s relationship to an “office situationship” are literally doing the same thing as lumon. acting as if innies aren’t actual people and their feelings don’t matter. the office and work is their entire world and life, it’s all they know, so of course it’s an “office romance”. the show has shown us multiple times that innies are their own person, that their feelings and experiences matter, despite what some say. so it would be incredibly hypocritical if they set up markhelly just for them to not end up together in at least some form.

also, even if they were to get gemma out, it’s not as if mark and her can ever go back to the way things were. narratively it would make no sense for the show to have them reunited and have their relationship go back to normal. mark wont be rewarded for escaping from his grief. now i have no idea how things will go, but i genuinely doubt any of it will be an easy fix.

[magic-owl]

Spicy take time: even if everyone’s not biologically related, if your fictional “found family” consists of characters you consider a mom, a dad, and a bunch of children that are also considered siblings to each other, maybe a few aunts/uncles/grandparents, that’s still a nuclear family. It’s not subversive or original, it’s just the same nuclear heteronormative family dynamic but without the DNA to go along with it

“but it was FOUND AND CHOSEN” yeah you found them alright. Now you’re trying to trap them and fuse them together into roles set in stone and turning this group into an unholy chimera of a white picket life it was never supposed to emulate

You took this unique group dynamic you found in the wild and now you’re trying to domesticate it—badly.

[the--queen-of--hell]

I miss those times when you could ship whatever you wanted without being harassed for it, without being told you're a pedophile or a groomer, and without being told that you should kill yourself.

[fetusbaconegg]

still curious

you say people are disregarding the canon of chara, which you understand as an immoral and fucked up character. right. okay. are you not doing that when shipping brothers together, or even in your recent posts talking about papyrus? from what i could see, you’re weirdly against papyrus finding other skeletons (made to look badass and corny—that’s their appeal) funny because of the violent depictions. however, you gloss over the fact that papyrus set up a trap with spears, fire, etc with full intentions of harming the player. during his fight, his intentions are to harm—not kill—the player. you act as if these are not acts of violence, when they are. he is a grown man, and your arguments seem to have him depicted as someone who knows very little about violence. i’m autistic myself. we’re not completely clueless. making papyrus innocent to violence is a slippery slope into a one-dimensional character and ableism.

no one can stop you from writing incest, but that doesn’t mean they can’t bash you as much as you bash others for enjoying chara and kris as characters. you’re being weirdly preachy and using loose connections to guilt and shame people who are against proshipping (seen as a logical fallacy fyi, which aid in invalidating your arguments). you can’t act like that and then turn around and bash others for enjoying immorally wrong characters, when you yourself are against the censorship of immorally wrong actions.

realism is the act of adding traits real people exhibit to make a character relatable and more than just one dimensional. it’s taking into consideration age, time period, and events to shape how an ACTUAL person could grow and react. that’s what realistic writing is. it’s making 2-dimensional, 3-dimensional, etc, characters. i don’t know if you write or create characters yourself, but understanding that characters are allowed to be both bad and good is crucial. i don’t care for chara or kris, do not believe i’m biased, but i am fully capable in seeing both their bad and good traits, which a lot of people take into their own perspectives (you included). that will lead to canon-divergent interpretations, which i am very sorry to say, happens to describe your perceptions of chara and kris as well.

It ain't my understanding it's what canon says about em and no I am not killing people by shipping two characters from different dimensions who ain't related together. (Although I don't I just used that example I ship my own ocs with both Sans and Swap Papyrus) like are you good mentally to think ship = genocide? And I didn't ask for your opinion of me nor do I care thank you very much someone as stupid as to believe genocide and shipping are the same thing doesn't deserve their opinion heard.

also it's not my fault you are a fascist. Procensorpship is a fascist stance so...yeah. I'm not a proshipper I am an adult with a job that things that whole discourse is idiotic and y'all should touch grass.

also realism still ≠ good writing and pretending an evil murderous demon is a real child and defending them as such won't make your story better.

and you are heavily biased. And stupid too but fascists aren't particularly educated or smart.

[crimeronan]

it's sometimes so silly to look in the notes of a polyamory art/post and see people like "is this cheating art....?" when the characters in canon are all extremely close friends. i know it's not malicious because most people think of monogamy as the default and anything outside that Must be cheating, but truly i'm always like. guys. guys Please.

please think about this for like 2 seconds.

under what circumstances do we think this non-canon couple might hold hands directly in front of their canon partners. and under what circumstances do we think the canon partners might be okay with this. do we Truly think this is a secret relationship. do we Truly think these guys would sneak around behind their canon partners' backs when all of them are extremely close friends with a high level of trust and commitment to each other.

would assuming that these extremely close friends have actually communicated with one another Exactly The Same Way They Do In The Canon Source Material perhaps cause less despair.....

[stolenkissesdiaz]

they do say when one ships falls another rises from the ashes…..

[mad-not-disappointed]

fans of arcane who hate maddie always makes me laugh. because like yeah, i don't particularly like her either. she's not much of a character honestly and she was somehow a worse twist villain than all those disney twist villains. she was so forgettable and yet her whole betrayal was so predictable and not surprising at all.

but fans don't hate her because she's a boring character or because she betrayed caitlyn, oh no no, they hate her because she came in between vi and caitlyn.

and again, i'm not like a maddie superfan either but it's such a childish reason to hate on her. first of all, it's not like vi and caitlyn were in a relationship when maddie slept with caitlyn (and if it was, i think caitlyn would be more to blame).

and secondly, y'all act like maddie forced herself onto caitlyn or something. sure, caitlyn was at an emotional low but she was very much in her right mind and she consented to sleeping with maddie.

and sure, maddie was manipulating and lying to caitlyn. but idk who bought that act for even a second. i don't even think caitlyn herself believed it. it was clear from the get-go that maddie was supposed to be the super nice character who turns out to be evil later on. and her betrayal wasn't even set up well because she has so little screentime, you barely remember her during the big reveal.

overall, maddie was an unnecessary and poorly written one-dimensional character and it's hilarious to me that fans despise her SO MUCH. genuinely there are people out there who swear that maddie is this evil, twisted monster like come on, she's barely even a character, y'all 😭

[roobylavender]

[microwave noises]

[poppyseed-cookie]

Call me crazy but I just feel like if you’re hating on a ship where one character represents Deceit and the other represents Truth, and you’re trying to prove to the shippers that they’re wrong, and you do so by taking everything the Deceitful one says at face value and just completely dismissing everything the Truthful one says, then perhaps you need to reflect and realize that the one twisting canon to fit their vision IS YOU? Just a thought 😭

[froggypunpun]

This is the last thing... i will never post about ship discourse in dunmeshi from this point forward. But i needed to get this off of my chest.

Stop blaming fandom wide issues on ppl who like ships you don't like.

If you see a labru shipper call mithrun a burden and a dog, it's not because they like labru. It's because they're albeist.

If you see a kabumisu shipper push kabru to the backburner in favor of centering a white character, it's not because of kabumisu, it's because they're racist.

If a farcille shipper treats Toshiro like hes a disgusting predatory perv who Falin hates, it's not because they like farcille. It's because they're racist.

"Labru shippers call mithrun a burden and an old racist dog!!" No joke ive literally seen kabumisu shippers do the same thing

"Kabumisu shippers get pissy whenever kabru and laios are shown together in official art!!" Labru shippers do the same thing when kabru and mithrun are together

Ive seen shippers from all groups treat Kabru like he's a "sociopathic horrible person" (real words from dunmeshi fans). Ive seen Labru shippers admit that they only like labru so they treat Kabru like a sex object. Ive seen him be bastardized as "downbad" and horny 24/7 from both labru and kabumisu shippers, completely ignoring the intricacies of why he acts the way he does around Laios and Mithrun and instead dumbing it down to sex.

Ive seen yall all act funny about Shiro. Making him out to be a despicable person bc he said something bad while starving and tired. Calling him shallow for liking Falin as if they weren't literally friends. Acting like a guy in like, the fucking middle ages immediately going to proposal rather than dating is some horrible shocking thing for that time period. Villainizing him for traits that are present in pretty much every character as well.

None of these problems are limited to specific ships. Racism and albeism is a huge problem in this fandom and im gonna need yall to get that in ur heads instead of starting stupid shit. And just bc a shipper does something dumb and petty like getting mad when two characters from the ship they don't like are together, it doesn't mean that entire ship is the issue. Every fandom has stupid ppl who take shit too seriously. Some ppl who like your ship are bound to be like that too. Shut up pls omg

[demonslayerunhinged]

Unhinged rant >:(

Demon Slayer fandom discourse

I want to start this by saying, I know that Demon Slayer isn't an explicitly queer manga/anime because Shōnen Jump, but I believe that Demon Slayer is for the queers and has lots of themes that we can identify with like love, acceptance, loss, guilt and strength.

Despite what these stupid, smelly, ignorant, power-scaling, non-ass-washing, Cheetos-dust-snorting, once-a-month-showering, dude-bros would have you believe, Demon Slayer isn't just another battle Shōnen anime/manga, it's a love story and about the perseverance of the human spirit and if that doesn't speak to the queer experience then I don't know what does.

Plus, I don't know how Gotogue-sensei is as a person, but I think the fact that she managed to make one of the kindest mcs in shōnen speaks volumes about her disposition. I don't think she would be one to reject queer fans identifying with her story so well.

In these recent times, it seems like everything is going to shit, the world is slowly regressing into the dark ages destroying decades of progress and trying to distract ourselves from all this by engaging with the fandoms we love is hard because everything seems to cater to cis, straight, white men.

To be honest, I created this blog mostly out of spite, but I also wanted to carve out a tiny space for myself where I can talk out of my ass and not have some decrepit reddit dude bro go all 'well, ackshually ☝🤓' on me, and I'm happy to have met so many like-minded people.

So, I've compiled a list of answers to the common types of nonsense drivel these fuckers post in response to shipping and queer discussions and theories about Demon Slayer. You can copy and paste whenever and wherever you encounter these black holes of ignorance and stupidity if you want.

In the Taisho era, there were no gay/queer people: This is one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard, and the fact that it's a really common response really shows how we've failed as a society. Queer people have existed for ages all over the world, Japan has an extensive queer history. Demon Slayer is based on samurai culture and samurai culture was really, really, really, really, really, really, really gay. Sure, it had rigid roles, but that doesn't make it any less queer. A quick Google search would go a long way to nourish that dried-out, shrivelled husk you call a brain. Go read a book you walking condom ad, your parents and education system have obviously failed you.

It's forcing sexuality into the story: We literally had a whole season dedicated to the mcs going to the 'entertainment district', we have a sexy man with three wives who talks about 'loving' them all equally, we have the abundant male fanservice, one of the mcs talks about women on the daily, we have a boy who eats demons and is horny shy around girls all the time, we have his brother who exposes his tits because he's proud of them, we have a demon who was essentially a sexual predator that targeted 16-year-old girls and ate them, the main villain shape-shifts into a woman to 'get' information as a Geisha, we have a girl who literally lusts after almost everyone she meets but yea no lets not force sexuality into it 🙄.

I don't care: Okay cool, but I value your opinion as much as I value the shit I took this morning.

It's who they are as a character that matters: Sexuality is a part of a person's character. Your sexuality defines your experiences, decisions, options and outlook on life. That's why you as a straight man can be so ignorant.

It's forced*(I really hate this one): Honestly, fuck you. Why is it that you only think something is forced when it doesn't revolve around you and your experiences? You guys are fine with tons of anime/manga that sexualize women and girls to an insane degree even when it doesn't make sense, but that doesn't stop you from consuming and glazing the hell out of the authors, but when we talk about including queer characters suddenly it's forced? Your existence is forced, and you can just eat shit.

I don't like it: Who the fuck do you think you are dictating how other people consume and interpret the media they consume? How about you go hump your smelly, cum-encrusted anime body pillow.

Men can be touchy/emotional with each other without it being gay, it's just our western standards: No it isn't the majority of shipping activities and works come from Japan, which wouldn't happen if it was just part of their culture. We're not stupid, we know men and boys can be friends without it being sexual, and we know when a friendship is just that, and then we know when two guys are straight up pining for one another.

It's not canon/the mangaka didn't explicitly state it: They can't because of Shōnen Jump, so a lot of them pass off information about a character through subtext, metaphors and allegories. They also don't have to, things don't have to outright stated or 'canon' for them to make sense and if you need them to be so for you to understand or enjoy the story then a moment of silence for your head since it's without a brain.

It's not common: Despite Shōnen Jump, there are lots of mainstream anime/manga that have queer characters: One Punch Man, Hunter x Hunter, Dr. Stone, Windbreaker, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Naruto, Gintama, Dragon Ball Z, My Hero Academia, Fairy Tail, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Tokyo Ghoul, Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw Man, Blue Period and that's not to talk of the ones with queer subtext like I dunno ALL Sports anime/manga to ever exist!

Why do you look for LGBTQ in everything?: It might be hard for straights to understand but growing up queer and looking for a connection causes us to develop what we call a gaydar that helps us identify characteristics, mannerisms, features and vibes from a person that screams 'ONE OF US! ONE OF US!'. It's only natural, and our gaydar doesn't suddenly turn off when we're consuming media, especially when it's media that we love and hold dear to our hearts. It doesn't matter if the mangaka inserted these characteristics intentionally or not, that doesn't stop us from picking up on them, and why should it?

Shipping is stupid: So is power-scaling, but that doesn't stop you assholes from making thousands of posts, creating YouTube channels and sharing content about it and cramming it down our throats. It's even worse because it's from grown-ass men.

The characters have no chemistry/they hate each other: A lot of queer ships have more chemistry, history, interactions, personality and development than a lot of 'canon' straight couples. It's literally a trope in media that all a man and a woman need to be in a relationship is to be in close proximity to each other, then their relationship goes on to be drier than salted crackers in silicone packets scattered in the Sahara desert. Well, I guess you can't blame the creators, you write what you know after all.

I know this is a lot and I know how angry I sound right now, but I'm so sick and so tired of all these guys who are as useful to the human race as pieces of freshly shat out dog turds that have been thrown in the grass by the sidewalk in a hot summer afternoon, who can't see past their lice-infested neck beards trying to make something as colorful, interesting, joyful and queer as anime and the fandoms fit their own boring, stupid and misogynistic worldview.

In Conclusion, Demon Slayer is amazing, horny* and unbelievably queer.

*I'm talking about the male fanservice btw :)

[ruffbunny]

“growing up is going from billdip to billf/rd” growing up is realizing shipping is harmless and we all have bills and shit to pay and god above it does not actually matter outside of the online discourse bubble like…. It really doesn’t.

Please just go do something that makes you happy instead of being miserable and militant about thought crimes. Pleeeeaaaseeee Fortnite is free, the local animal shelter would love some volunteer work, there’s probably a shocking number of nature trails in your area, you could make bread😭