#steve rogers rant

[r4inyclouds]

You can take Steve Rogers out of the fight, but you can't take the fight out of Steve Rogers.

I heavily recommend putting ya glasses on for this ride of a rant. A... practically an essay on how Steve was out of character in Endgame:

Look, I still wholeheartedly believe that Sam deserves the title of Captain America, but even before that Steve dropped that shield, that title in the Civil War movie, for Bucky, in respect for Tony. Captain America wasn't even his label for years after that. Surprising how many didn't realise Steve in the endgame movie was Nomad, not Captain America.

But, he still fought, didn't he?

So people who say "Steve will always be THE Captain America!!" can go cry about it for all I care. Sam is the hero that he deserves to be. Yet, I suppose we're all entitled to our own opinions.

I don't even think the producers at the time even read the comics they were basing their large franchise on. That Steve in Infinity War wasn't Steve.

He was born a stubborn fighter, he was meant to end as that stubborn fighter we knew from 'The First Avenger'. It's in his nature how he was meant to be articulated as a person. It's in the comics, that hell- I haven't even exactly read most nor possess many of them! It's a joke, a jest; it's funny but not funny 'haha hilarious', but funny, odd, peculiar and perplexing. But from what I've seen from the fans on this side of the debate who have read the comics thoroughly, they all explicitly state that Steve would never do this or abandon anyone. I could, respectively, not care that the MCU was never, and never will be, canon to the comics, but they couldn't even keep one thing, an aspect that's similar or alike in any particular way to the comics, and that's the whole nature and personality of one of their most main focused characters, diverging from the whole point, centre, heart of Steve.

Steve never needed a label that told him he was a hero even when he was some twink before the serum, his whole arch, his whole goal was to become someone who helped, it wasn't from the start to settle down with a woman he was at a high school situation ship with, maybe, just maybe it could've worked if they attempted to even build and develop their relationship for it to make that little sense. Steven Grant Rogers admitted to being that stubborn little thing, and in a sense, he was like that, someone who determined to not be a coward and went against his non-spoken word.

And no, this has nothing to do with the fact I'm a HUGE Stucky shipper, I exclusively tried to avoid talking about Bucky in this half of the rant for a reason. I love Peggy, she's in my top 5, and I love domestic Steggy. It's just it was never right for Steve.

Steve will never, ever be able to run away from what he is. He is THE fight, with or without a useless hero label.

Now since I'm a bucky glazer, and he's my favourite character (I'm putting him in a jar once I get my first-ever Funko pop) I will go on to talk about Steve and Bucky, now, I'd understand if someone would not want to read this part because I'm 'just a wild Stucky shipper!' Who's own priority is trying to keep the ship afloat (I'm also occasionally a Sam x Steve x Bucky shipper but that's besides the point) But in this segment, I will be talking about them in an otherwise platonic sense; it doesn't even need to be romantic for me to say this. And, honestly, if the character of Bucky never existed in this universe, I would've still had this rant on my Tumblr about why Steve leaving is just... odd.

Okay, Steve spent THREE, THREE, I REPEAT THREE, HIS WHOLE DAMN TRILOGY, having at least one huge plot point just purely based on Bucky in each of his movies.

1. He went against whole military orders to get Bucky back, had a whole depression episode thinking he was dead, and then had another depression episode when he died, and then kind of just offed himself after that (Now, am I saying he offed himself for no reason for other than his friend?... yeah, so, there's a deleted scene where Rhodey asks Steve about how he practically died, and why he didn't just jump out into the water before he crashed, I'm tellin' you if you search it up it's there, now, people suspected that the reason it's a deleted scene is that it, well, opens a plot hole, and it just kind of seems like... he killed himself because bucky's dead? Like, ya know, there's no other reason to why he did this. But I might just be reaching there) God. So that point just says a lot about how the producers didn't even think for one second about him going back in time.

2. Nearly got killed by him, but when he figured out it was Bucky he went a berserk kind of insanity and risked his life as he put his trust in a man who was about to knock the shit out of him. Then, like- went for months on end to get Bucky back just because he left him on the side of the beach to not let him drown. Yeah, okay, sir. Also, does everyone just... Like, all silently agree not to talk about how they casually just drop platonic wedding vows to each other in every movie? Like, what do you exactly mean by "I'm with you 'till the end of the line", every time I hear that quote I go "WRITE THIS DOWN, WRITE THIS DOWN!" (not like I'll be getting married though)

3. How am I meant to summarise this with detail without just saying the few words in my mind that would just tell you the whole plot? [Squints eyes, checks notes]... Guess I gotta. 'Bro split Avenger for bro, Avenger no longer, Captain America? No longer for bro, bro picks bro up, bro says wedding vow, bro sad Wakanda.'

Then, now, I apologise sincerely for using this analogy, but he kinda, just, ya know, abruptly left to get the milk. He dropped everything once he got the chance to go back and left poor Bucky wide-eyed like some traumatised puppy with attachment issues they newly developed after shown that much devotion and affection from an owner who'd treat them right, and then was suddenly dropped into a random field of an environment, unfamiliar, they don't recognise it, as they then watch the rustic car they were once rescued from becoming a blur, speeding off into a distance he couldn't possibly ever trace back to. What in the holy fuck was that waste of three movies then.

(DEEP FUCKING BREATHS, RAIN, HOLY SHIT DEEP FUCKING BREATHS)

I hope people can't tell I'm a fanfic writer; this is the shittiest thing I've ever written, I swear my fanfics are more descriptive and crap, but I'm foaming from the mouth right now; I think I permanently disrupted my breathing pattern, well done me.

Sigh, okay, well.

[kabishkat19]

Steve Rogers Rant

(Just rewatched Avengers : age of ultron and wanted to rant about something I realised)

If anyones else remembers there the infamous on-going joke in the movie where Steve says language and the whole team makes fun of him.

For a while I remember everyone talk about how that was very out of character for Steve and talked about how the MCU tried making him into a Boy Scout like character when that’s not who he was.

And then it came to me…

Yes it was!

I’d like to remind ya’ll one very big thing about Steve; his parents were Irish, Catholic, immigrants from the 1920’s, you can bet your ass Steve Rogers has the phrase “Language!” In graved into his brain from his mother, which is probably why after he said it he was instantly like “it just slipped out” like a reflex.

Any time someone cursed or heaven forbid took the lords name in vain, Sarah Rogers was calling out “Language!” causing the sorry bastard to flinch.

As far as the whole “he’s not a Boy Scout” goes; I understand that Steve represents going against the woes of government control despite his title but that all begun after he joined the war, his entire life before that was being a good kid for his mum and neighbourhood; you can bet he was helping little old ladies down the street despite them probably being stronger then he was pre serum.

And that doesn’t just go away, even through MCU rarely brings it up the scrawny little kid is still there and Steve Rogers is such a Boy Scout… a Boy Scout who’s seen behind the curtain of governmental corruption… but a Boy Scout none the less.

Thank you that is all🖤

[motherofdragrons]

Sometimes I think…

If Steve is in the 40/50 with his girls… not even once he thinks about Bucky who’s being tortured? Like… why wouldn’t you think of rescuing him once!? He knows he’s alive and Hydra is brainwashing him.

That’s… fucked up.

[pzyii]

Steve being the one to steal the car in catws is one of my favourite things simply because there's no way Natasha "The Black Widow" Romanoff doesn't know how to steal a car.

Which to me implies that she pretended to not know how, or at least waited just a bit to see if Steve would do it.

Simply to know if he could, figure him out.

[robsdiary]

“baby’s first fandom” SHUT THE FUCK UP 😭

[swarnim29]

[donteverblameash]

What's that? You wanna talk about the scenes in the Marvel movies where Steve's struggles in the future are acknowledged? Well, golly! I would love to too except Marvel DELETED THEM ALL!!!

[mintaikkcorpse]

Mini comic I made based on a convo I had with my mom

Also, for the people who don't believe me 👇

(Stony isn't technically canon but it was in a fantastic 4 comic with a female Tony countperart. Idk, I haven't read it and only know about it when i was bored and checked the shipping wiki while zoning out of a movie. It's weird)

(Random note for spideypool: Wade will flirt with anything that moves, but what showd he had an actual crush on Spidey beyind attraction was when his daughter pointed out how much he talked about him and he got embarrassed. Also, the fact that he changed his entire moral code for Spidey. And they're confirmed heartmates. I haven't gotten that far in the comic yet, but I think it's like soulmates but more romantic. Also, Deadpool had a free pass list of people he can sleep with while he was married (his wife signed it and everything), and Spiderman was number five

[cr00ley]

Captain America: brave new world spoilers!!!

(A little rant about the movie because holy shit!!)

I warned you!!! ⚠️

:readmore:

Idk how long i need to make this to be safe

I warned you!!!

This should do it ❤️

I LOVE SAM AND OHHH BUCKY AHHH MY BUCKYYY!!

I honestly enjoyed the movie I don’t think it’s the best marvel has come out with but I certainly enjoyed the watch

honestly I loved to see a marvel movie not revolving around the multiverse again. so refreshing!!!

My favorite part was when Bucky and Sam talked about Steve 😭💔 and also Sam calling Bucky “buck” KILLED ME. oh and Bucky hitting the “I love you” bro.

As a stucky shipper I am JELOUS of the sambucky shippers rigth now I bet yall are absolutely foaming at the mouth and honestly I get it. They were cute. (Still not convinced to ship them to)

Sam was fucking amazing and so was Joaquin I love them as a duo.

So now it’s officially new avengers time…idk how I feel about that yet but only time will tell!! I hope they don’t mess it up

I am now more than ever super stoked for thunderbolts!!!

[avelera]

Re-watched Captain America: Winter Soldier and First Avenger (in that order lol) and hey guys

Remember that time Steve woke up in New York City 70 years later and panicked, thinking he was in HYDRA hands and haha, actually it turns out, he kind of was??

Also remember that bit where he found out in the most deadpan way possible (thanks Nick) that everyone he had ever known and loved was dead or aged to to the point of death in the blink of an eye, and no one ever actually like, gave him a moment's sympathy for the fact his entire world ended in a split-second of self-sacrifice that ended up just being one battle in a war that never ended?

Remember when he found out that the only person left who loved him, Peggy, only occasionally remembered him in moments of lucidity haha and then it turned out that the only other person who still lived and who loved him, Bucky, also only remembered him in moment's of lucidity?? Good times, good fucking times, I'm an emotional wreck about it

And one last thing, because I will never ever fucking ever let this grudge go, remember that time Tony fucking Stark who I mostly love but in the context of Steve Rogers specifically I want to tear him to shreds, decided to have beef with a literal traumatized 20-something year old war veteran whose entire world just dissolved into nothing in the 70 years he was on ice, and Tony fucking Stark decided to pick a fight with this guy and rag on him 24/7, despite being in his 40s himself and completely comfortable, stable, and with insane levels of wealth and privilege, because his fucking dad who has been dead for decades apparently loved this guy more, something that would have bewildered Steve who like, barely knew Howard outside of work, and that Steve had fucking nothing to do with Howard's neglect of his son because it all happened while he was unconscious?

Don't even get me started on Civil War, we will be here all day in how these supposedly equal sides weren't even slightly equal in morality or logic at all, but I will die on the hill of Tony fucking Stark was being a Grade A fucking asshole for his stupid man-child fight he picked with Steve Rogers when you actually objectively view Steve's life story as a human being instead of a symbol that he was literally forced to be

Whew. Ok. I'm ok now.

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AND ANOTHER THING...!

[prisperview]

marvel please i just need one thunderbolts* after credits scene of Bucky coming back to his place after the events of the movie, turning the corner into his living room and Steve is there, sitting on one side of his loveseat with tea and a book saying "welcome home". cmon how much could 1 chris evans cost? I'd finance it myself if I could.

[musette22]

One common thing people who support Steve's endgame ending claim is that Steve was always miserable in the future. He never adjusted or felt at home in the future, so of course when he got the chance to go back to the past he took it.

However the only proof of this is at the start of catws (and that deleted avengers scene). Yes he was feeling lost and adrift but he didn't stay that way. He made friends with Sam and Natasha and Wanda and Thor and he got Bucky back. He found a purpose and became confident in who he was and what he believed in. Steve may have moments of feeling sad, but if you think he stayed that way for 12+ years you're not giving him enough credit.

And the claim that he was always miserable isn't true either. He joked with his friends on several occasions, and I mentioned how much better he was when he became nomad. And sorry to steggy or staron shippers, but Bucky made Steve happier than anyone else did. Look at the museum footage of them, or them looking at each other in infinity war. He was happy without Peggy.

Also I think fans forget the scene in catws where Sam asks him if he misses the past. And what does Steve say in response? He lists things he likes about the future and makes a point of not romanticising the past. It's especially important that he was talking to a black man while saying this. We rightly talk about how awful Bucky would feel about Steve leaving to live a life without him, but also imagine being Sam and hearing that your friend wants to go life in a time when someone like you had less rights than you do now.

And you know the line about shared life experience? It applies to Bucky of course but in endgame you could also apply it in a non romantic way. Because you say Steve was out of place in the future? Well in endgame he was surrounded by people in the same situation. Countless people were forced to adjust to a time they didn't know. Steve is uniquely qualified to bond with these people. And choosing to go back to the past puts him right back where he was when he first went to the future. He again has to adjust to a time he's not familiar with.

Funny how in order to justify his ending you have to ignore what his story has previously shown us.

THANK YOU! This is so very true, all of it. Completely agree, you make so many excellent points.

Of course Steve felt lost and adrift at first: he was. He was all alone in a foreign time, he lost everyone, he had ptsd because of the war he fought in and everything that had happened to him etc. etc. It would've been strange if he hadn't been depressed in those first years.

But you're right, he was already making significant steps towards being more settled in the new century by the time Bucky returned, and then when he did, I would argue he became a sort of anchor for Steve in the new time. And from that moment on, Steve really started to belong, and realize that he didn't want to go back, but forward. Like, Nomad Steve was NOT dreaming about going back to the 40s, there is no way. That man belonged right where he was, with Bucky by his side, and he knew it.

Home. And he did not mean bloody 1945.

(Gif credit @/dailystevegifs from this gifset)

Also, can I just say that Steve never seemed particularly happy or settled in the 30s/40s? Yes, he had his mother and he had Bucky, and yes, it was "his" time and Brooklyn and I'm sure he came to miss it once he couldn't go back to it anymore, but he was often sick and he was poor and he was frustrated with the world around him and his own body's limitations, and he always wanted sometimes else, something more.

And sure, one could argue that he finally found his calling once he was given the serum and became Cap (and got a healthy body that fit his spirit), but we know he was still miserable at first, as a dancing monkey. I do think the period of time after he'd rescued Bucky, when the Howling Commandos worked closely together for a few years, must've been a special time for Steve, which he will have missed later on for sure. But it was still wartime. Wartime, and being in a war zone, is miserable, and far from a dream life for Steve. So like... what exactly was he supposedly longing for in the past so much that it would've been impossible for him to ever settle in the present? The thing he most clearly missed from his past was Bucky, and he got him back.

So yeah, I think Steve was just fine where he was eventually, and he would have never, ever thrown everything he’d built, the life that had become his, and everyone he'd come to care about and who cared about him, casually out of the window in order to go back to a past he never gave any indication of actively wanting to go back to.

Funny how in order to justify his ending you have to ignore what his story previously showed us.

Exactly that. That's precisely what Endgame did: it ignored Steve's previous story and his character development over several movies in order to shoehorn in the heteronormative ending the studio execs apparently demanded. Spineless, inane bullshit, if you ask me.

[waywardsou2]

Bucky is type of person to start it but Steve is the type of person to finish it (them)

Sam is the type to start it but you best believe Bucky is going to finish it (him)

[myheromarveldemia]

The fact that there are so many anti-woke X-Men fans has convinced me that having self-awareness is outright prohibited in conservatism. Being an anti-woke Marvel fan in general already exposes you for being bereft of media literacy, but how do you fix your lips to claim that Nazi-punching Captain America would don a MAGA hat? That’s a level of delulu that needs to be studied.

The way conservatives are in denial about the fact that they’re the bad guys in most of their favorite stories…

[leodrraws]

And let me tell you one thing, people of tumblr: Steve Rogers was a total jerk with that letter. No, he did a good thing for apologising (sort of) and explaining himself, but the fact that he just sent Tony a letter? And a phone?? Which basically translates as, here, the next move is yours, I’m not gonna deal with the mess I left behind, but “I’ll always be here” if you need me. As if he didn’t understand that Tony would likely never call. As if it wasn’t the most hypocritical way to apologise — keeping his distance, wallowing in guilt, saying ‘just give me a call!’ like it was about some argument over what show to watch, not what happened in Siberia.

And yeah, it’s good Steve apologised in general, but the way he did it? Not so much. Passing the responsibility for their relationship onto Tony (here’s the phone for YOU, call me if YOU need), subtly implying that he, Steve, probably won’t need Tony, but he’ll be gracious enough to be there if Tony feels like reaching out. Well, fuck you, Steve, and your hypocritical, self-righteous nobility. If you really wanted to fix things between you two, you’d go to Tony and talk face to face like adults do — not send a fucking note admitting you screwed up, hoping it somehow will take all the guilt off of you and fix things. Like it doesn’t just leave Tony to deal with the fact that Steve acknowledges what happened but has no interest in doing anything about it.

(for the record: I’m speaking from a place of emotion here, because objectively, I love Steve’s hypocrisy. It makes him such a compelling, layered character by highlighting his struggle to handle personal conflicts (as opposed to physical battles), and I absolutely love how CW pushes him into that moral grey area)

P.S. come and like my drawing that sparked all these thoughts

[friendly-neighborhood-goober]

to be honest, steve rogers was toxic.

did you see what he did to tony in siberia? that was wholly uncalled for

steve overreacted about a lot of the accords stuff + didn't stop to think for a lot of it

dragged bucky, fresh out of mind control and feeling shitty, along with him.

steve didnt tell tony about how bucky killed his parents like ???

dont even get me started about "im with you to the end of the line."

he leaves bucky in endgame for a girl whose grand-niece he made out with.

if thats not even mildly fucked-up, idk what is.

gave the shield to sam, and while, dont get me wrong, sam is great for it and is a great cap

but right in front of your best friend who probably has abandonment issues? im also mad abt how he treated bucky but thats a rabbit hole for another time

thats very insensitive

now, as a character, steve rogers is well thought-out. he has flaws but he still tries to do what is right. comics steve rogers is a good character, for the most part. i dont see him as toxic as mcu steve.

also, i dont really think that this is just 'him assimilating to modern culture,' and 'the cultural norms were different back in the 30s' okay??? he can be less insensitive???

EDIT: i got fact-checked so its more accurate now hopefully