#wtf discourse

[coolmaycroft]

Today on "Discourse I didn't know I existed"

[the-pea-and-the-sun]

starting Some Sort of collection

[catofoldstones]

we already have people bitching about how “i can’t stand Chani, she’s so annoying 🙄” and “Paul chose Chani to be the mother of his children, Irulan is just at the sidelines eating dust as she should”, like brothers we cannot do this again. We can’t Chani v Irulan our way out of this one because the problem is Paul and the Empire. Gosh, we truly are never getting out of the patriarchy.

[chameleonsallinvermillion]

I had a mildly cursed thought so naturally I thought I'd share it. We never really get much detail about erotica in Ankh-Morpork but it definitely exists. We know there are romance novels, after all, so there are definitely scandalous bodice-rippers out there, if the Ankh-Morpork citizenry still have it in them to be scandalised. Which means it's basically guaranteed that there's golem erotica.

Think about it. Big strong clay man...never shows emotion...endless stamina...his one function is to serve... There are 100% people in Ankh-Morpork sighing and squealing over erotic golem content.

[lollystocks]

"I'm uncomfortable with this concept/story/world and will not personally be engaging with it" ✅

"the creators should not have made this piece because it is Wrong because it makes me uncomfy. They need to Stop Making the Thing." ❌

[lilimonarch]

“I’m sorry I said a slur it was bad” -> 30 seconds

“Tommy you are a terrible person who manipulated me, you were basically an adult anyways, I never harassed your mom and texting her isn’t weird in fact I was kind to her, you accusing me and my friends of sexism is evil (he also referenced that this was fair and they have been told they were weird towards women by other parties in HIS OWN STREAM, backtracks in the video), you love child labor, you are racist, where are your receipts, but also you were my friend and you are a good person because you used to like me at some point BUT IF YOU DONT LIKE ME ANYMORE might as well take down every time you ever interacted with me and my family because it means you never liked me and btw you are kind but also I’m not sorry to you” -> NINE WHOLE MINUTES ON A MAIN CHANNEL VIDEO + A CRASHOUT LIVESTREAM OF THREE FUCKING HOURS

Chat we are back in the fucking building again 😭😭

[nqueso-lies]

Hey, guys!

I just heard from whateverfuckingfandom7532 that this actor said this thing to another actor and idk but I'm sure it's true because it's on the nazi bird site. The video has awful fucking audio but ONE person in the comments has super human hearing and verified the argument that no one else can hear. Also the two actors went on to laugh and seemingly have a fun time together.... I feel so bad for the actor I stan only. What a sacrifice that angel is making.

This is how so many of you sound! It's fucking weird. Knock it off.

[shyrgyrryn]

Me *moves on from She-Ra and disappointed that it was, watches Arcane because the new season seemed interesting*

*is disappointed in season 2 and watches in horror as the Arcane fandom becomes the She-Ra fandom 2.0 and fans are angry and dismissive over show criticism*

[serpenlupus]

About Wyll and his horns (and what they mean)

Let's say I was writing a part of my Tav's story with Wyll directly connected to the dialogue he has during the tiefling party, and while struggling with this bit, I've realized there's quite a few misconceptions floating around. I felt compelled to add information to the table that might clear them, so here we go.

First, what exactly happens to Wyll when he disobeys Mizora in act one? Well, he doesn't get turned into a devil, he certainly doesn't get turned into a tiefling, he's not a half fiend, not a demon, none of that. Wyll stays human, but he has horns and red eyes (and other features we can't see on his model as of now).

(Everyone has their race listed, Wyll's remains "Human")

This is because when a warlock fails to uphold some part of their contract they can suffer a certain number of consequences, Wylls is “The character grows horns, a tail, or some other devilish features that can't be removed by any means short of divine intervention. As long as these marks persist the character detects as a fiend when subjected to Detect Evil and Good spells or similar magic.” ( from Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus, page 214)

And I’ve come across some people that think it wasn’t so bad of a punishment, that he was being racist towards the tieflings, or just not being justified in being upset after having his body forcibly changed against his will. I think they are missunderstanding just how insidious Mizora’s actions were, and here I just want to give some context to maybe bring a better understanding to the situation. Your conclusions are up to you.

Gonna start by using a not exact analogy, but I think it’s going to make the explanation easier. Stick with me for a minute.

Remember Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean? He had a branded “P” on his arm that marked him as a pirate. A murderer, robber, criminal, etc. in the eyes of the society he was a part of. What did Jack do to earn the branding? (if you don’t know this I suggest you look up the “people aren’t cargo mate” scene) He refused to transport slaves and later freed them, and Beckett had him marked as punishment.

Then, in the first movie, he saves Elizabeth, a woman he didn’t know, from drowning. Right after however, when Norrington sees he has a branded “P”, he’s like “alright, off to jail with you, and then hanging”, no other option crosses his mind. Again, Jack doesn’t know Elizabeth, isn’t indicated to think he is going to be rewarded for helping her, he just sees a drowning person, sees that no one else is going to help, and chooses to save them. That is a pretty selfless/good aligned thing to do, for no other reason that he was the one able to do it, yet the branding in his arm overrides any good action he could ever do, marking him as a criminal for execution and no further thought.

In a way, that’s what Mizora did to Wyll; she forever visibly branded him as someone that has made deals with devils, and that in the world of DnD is a VERY BAD THING. Personally I really like the mod that gives him more devilish features, but at the same time I think there was something clever about choosing to leave him looking more human. He can’t be confused with a tiefling, he doesn’t have the ears, the claws, the tail, all those features that characterize them. He looks kind of uncanny, and that would be like a red flag for anyone in that world. (Beyond the already existing hate for tieflings that I’m not gonna tackle on here because it’s a complicated thing that deserves its own post). And Wyll wants to do good, he wants to help people, to be a positive force in the world so, so badly. This dude got abducted by a nautiloid, got tadpole’d, and the first thing he did right after that was come across the Tiefling refugees and be like “Oh you need help? No worries let me teach you self defense. Oh you being attacked by goblins? Let me blast them real quick”. His way of saying fuck you to all the awful things that have happened to him is being aggressively good and kind. Mizora knows this very well, wants to see him suffer for her amusement, wants to remind him he can't escape her claws, so her choice of punishment was to forever taint his future interactions with mistrust and suspicion. Some people can go real fast from “oh thank God they saved me” to “oh no, are they gonna rob me, are they trying to trick me, are they in cahoots with the ones that attacked me first?” just because of outward appearances. Especially in DnD world. And that deserves its own conversation, but we're focusing on Wyll here.

(Mizora, when I catch you Mizora)

“Well, maybe he shouldn’t have made a deal in the first plac- - “ He was seventeen, alone, preyed upon by Mizora and put in an impossible situation. Please PAY ATTENTION to the story you’re witnesing.

Anyway.

About the tieflings. I know it’s easy to think his words can be derisive towards them, but it’s less about the horns and more about his body being changed against his will. Imagine instead that he got half his face burned, or something that disfigured him. I think his feelings at the moment were closer to that, and yeah they are pretty insensitive words to say to someone with a similar condition (horns or disfiguration), but when feelings are fresh and raw like that it’s easy to say insensitive things. Not saying it was ok for him to say them, but there was no malice in his words. I’ve also seen some people share that they think Mizora wanted to change him more to make him unrecognizable to his original self, the Wyll Ravenguard kid, and I think there is some truth to that too. She wants to make sure that Wyll remembers that he belongs to her, there's no question to that.

(MIZORA, WHEN I CATCH YOU MIZORA)

Whether the Tieflings refugees would feel unsettled by Wyll or not? Yes. In a way, they would. From reasons aside from the ones I explained above, remember that these specific tieflings come from Elturel. If you didn’t pass the History check or don’t remember, Elturel is a city that was literally ripped from the land and dragged to Avernus, First layer of hell (it left a hole on the ground and everything) because their mayor made a deal with the Archdevil Zariel some decades back in the timeline. He sold the souls of all its citizens and the city itself.

This was probably one of the worst times of their lives. Some even got captured and forced to participate in the blood War, like Dammon as a mechanic. And after Elturel got returned to the surface, the tieflings lost their homes because they reminded the other citizens of the literal Hell they’d just gone through, and they kicked them out. And remember, they met and saw Wyll as a human, and then saw him with horns. It’s not unreasonable to think that by looking at him they would be reminded of all the events that led them to the awful situation they’re in. Because of someone that was making deals with devils, just like Wyll. Even if his situation is completely different. And Wyll knows that, that’s why he tells you the tieflings are unsettled by him and chooses to stay away during the party.

It was never just about the horns.

And I know Wyll calls himself a devil but I think it’s because it’s the closest thing he looks as; devils are a whole different race with their own intricacies, although humans can be turned into devils ONCE their souls go to Avernus and they start climbing the power hierarchy there (Mizora and Raphael are cambions/ half-devils btw, which is a different thing,  there are plenty of videos exploring those details more in depth).

Do I think Larian should have made some of this information clearer/easier to access? Maybe? but to be fair, it's a game focused and dedicated to a crowd that was already somewhat familiar with the source material, that blew up waay out of what they originally expected to reach. Hopefully they’ll add some clarifications like they did to other quests. 

Anyway these are my two cents to the conversation, have a nice day, and don't hesitate to add your two cents if you feel like it!

[sunnysaystuff]

there. did you see that? I just reblogged a jegulus post. and then...and then I reblogged a jily post.

let it sink in.

it's possible. please STOP throwing hate at people who ship jegulus exclusively (or jily exclusively, except they don't get NEARLY as much hate as the people who ship jegulus exclusively...) !! you're turning off people who ship both jily and jegulus to the fandom on the whole, and even jily!!

(I love jily SO much! I love jily more than I love jegulus, but I really hate what some of the jily fandom has become.)

[conarcoin]

get him no genuinely like

[watermelonlicker]

never forget how racists and homophobes literally destroyed disco music bcos it was bringing the black and non-black queer & trans communities together. the club scene was POWERED by disco and it was a safe haven for so fucking many. the death of disco was an inside job done by the white moguls still alive today who want us divided and dumb. for the love of god read up on OUR queer history written by OUR people.

the slow undermining of the wave of revolutionary politics in the 70s & 80s from the black power movement, trad-role ending feminism, and queer liberation gave us the minor privileges i was born into in the 2000s. my queer elders, my black leaders, my beautiful women fought and died for us to sit on these devices in the comfort of our own homes. if we do not remain vigilant and alert their fight will be in vain.

THIS SHIT IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN LARRY. IT’S BIGGER THAN LOUIS (BIGGER THAN MEEEEEE)

the old guard infects every facet of industry from the political world, corporate world, to the arts. they have been plotting moves and counter moves to swat us down and are winning. it is a giant web bcos they all work together and want us to NOT work together.

that is why we are reverting back to the 50’s and our people are under attack. STOP ARGUING AND WAKE UP. QUEER PEOPLE ARE NOT THE ENEMY.

[mouthtapedguy]

Breaking: Pentagon insists it only uses verified Twitter accounts for airstrike tips

[myfandomrealitea]

Fucking insane how people will see something I post that they agree with but they have to virtue signal that they're not a proshipper before expressing their agreement/support even when the post has nothing to do with proshipping.

[hussyknee]

You've heard of Gaylors, now get ready for ...Theylors

(the screenshot of YouTube is fake according to community notes.)

[nqueso-lies]

Unfriendly fucking reminder...

Tommy never took Eddie out on dates and if you believe that he did, you're homophobic.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk!