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Astra: This'll be a bit of a more less thought out post but I need to vent for a moment. Apologies if it reads poorly.

The amount of BAH and radqueer blogs in the tulpamancy tag is... really tiring. My community is not about overglorifed OC printer blogs or an ally of a radical and often horrifically unhealthy movement let alone considered part of it. Please stop.

Neither groups care about the techniques, ideas, schools of thought, or discussions about the inner workings of those things that tulpamancy entails. We aren't just a term for OCs to introject nor are we transplurals. Most tulpamancers don't even know what radqueers, and by extension transplurals, are by nature of not being on this platform (and when we brought them up once in a tulpamancy server I think we accidentally made some people more conservative for doing so, but that's a story for another day).

Sorry for the random post when we're morseo trying to focus on sharing the actual nature of the tulpamancy community good and bad nowadays, but we felt like it was related enough and we can only see so many people wear our practice like a skin suit for their own interests. BAH blogs are a weird thing to us and most of the syscourse on them seems weird and dumb, they're just OC blogs at the end of the day, but they're still not tulpamancy. If you want to do a BAH blog in the tulpamancy tag at least share some resources on how to actually build said headmate lol. Radqueers on the other hand are a topic way too complicated to discuss in detail but nonetheless definitely shouldn't be slithering into my community. Trust me if you get too comfortable and try to move to any tulpamancy community off tumblr it won't end well for anyone.

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Astra: Maybe I shouldn't make my info dump posts randomly at 3AM lol. Might explain why we never get any responses.

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Astra: I think one of the things I'm looking forward to discussing most in our upcoming post is going to be the political landscape of the tulpamancy community, because at least in my eyes it has such a wider diversity of political ideas and leanings compared to the plural community. The tulpamancy community has sub groups dedicated to left, right, and center leaning politics and their respective various ideologies. These can be seen between platforms, in the various discord servers, and even just in friend groups made up of tulpamancers and tulpas.

The largest tulpamancy discord currently still active is best described as center-right leaning with some notable left leaning community members. In the past it was very much a farther right leaning discord and back then and now it has ties to tulpamancy's 4chan origins, while other discords which usually lean more to the left have their origins stemming from the r/tulpas subreddit and it's history. It's all so fascinating to me. Despite that however it's basically all unknown information to anyone discussing us and our practice and community on this platform, including faces like Sophie which most associate tulpas with here.

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Ngl I was kind of hoping she was like an awkward mythical boogeyman that everyone knew of but pointedly ignored

But I guess "pretty much unknown" is good too

Astra: Yeah sorry to disappoint but we only ever heard about her in the short lived syscourse thread of the now dead redditulpas discord server which only had a handful of people and most of them imports from the plural community lol. We've seen her on r/tulpas too but she wasn't anymore known than any other poster there. Cambrian Crew actually has a much more pervasive presence across the tulpamancy community.

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One thing I'm dying to know!! Is she well-known in the wider community?

No, in fact we have seen her name mentioned maybe three times maximum without us starting the conversation. Sophie is almost entirely a product of the plural community, the tulpamancy community basically doesn't know of her at all.

It's also worth noting those three instances were in a server with plural community bleedover. On average tulpamancers usually try to keep to themselves and away from the wider plural community for various reasons ranging from political differences to concerns of how some concepts may not be 100% compatible. The largest space where we intersect is redditulpas but reddit isn't a good community space compared to say, discord. It's more of a center square and gateway. We'll discuss it more in the main post since it's important context a lot of people here don't have on the tulpamancy community for better or worse.

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So Sophie finally lost all of her marbles huh? Maybe it's finally time we talk about how horrifically disconnected she actually is from the real tulpamancy community. Believe it or not but despite all of her increasingly fanatical and ungrounded rants and stunts related to tulpamancy, she isn't as in tune with the tulpamancy community as she thinks she is.

Post coming soon, roughly a week or two. We've sat back and watched an account we used to really respect spiral out of control and misrepresent us for too long. Her reach is almost entirely contained to plural tumblr, a place which is far from the actual tulpamancy community besides the occasional redditulpas crossover. It's about time a tulpa system that mainly interacts with other tulpa systems said something.

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It's nice to see this place is still as much of a dumpster fire as it was the day we left.

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I'm the one who emailed Colin Ross

My story is becoming a bit of a jumbled mess of history, so here's a reminder

I went to Ross to talk about his paper from the 80s, where he talked about people with multiple personalities, or endogenic multiples, his words, without dysfunction and abuse histories.

And I said, "Surely, Doctor Ross, you're not talking about these filthy endos, right? You meant TRAUMA histories-- expanding the list of typical types of abuse that cause DID? Important DID history, right?"

And he basically responded with, "I said what I said, no abuse OR trauma histories. It's actually kind of common. What's the big deal? DID is caused by trauma, but that's not the only way."

Now, keep in mind, I told him EVERYTHING. About tumblr, Twitter, syscourse, both sides' talking points. I didn't hold back.

And I didn't hold back in my disdain for the endogenic community, either. Remember what I was posting two or three years ago.

And I held on to that conversation for YEARS while I continued to talk to other doctors and researchers-- Clayton, Loewenstein, some less known ones but still doctors, from multiple countries.

Not one denied the possibility or existence of "those horrible fucking endos" that I was so mad about.

Take it or leave it. That's all that happened.

And finally, remember, his eye beam goggles were for a cash prize paranormal contest.

He won an award for worst invention, but not the contest. So sad 😞

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Oh it's that time already. Didn't have anything planned so gonna wing my campaign speech.

Fellow syscoursers, We know that you all may not know us, but we in the Candlelight Society know you. All of your strengths, and all of your flaws. We have watched Syscourse go in circles but no longer!

If you elect us, we shall bring about a new age of syscourse, by replacing it all with poorly made cosplay and a (possibly expired) Chuck E. Cheese coupon.

Together, we can build a mildly tolerable tomorrow

Round 1 Side A: Many VS Candles

Get your votes in for either @many-but-one or @discourse-by-candlelight! Below the cut are submission info for these two participants!

Good luck and happy voting!

Reminder: These polls are completely subjective. However you define a "better" syscourser, that's how you should vote!

Whoever submitted many-but-one left a lovely message about them for why they were nominated!

many-but-one, he has an empathetic view of syscourse and i appreciate that he views people on both sides of syscourse as people. mostly trying to spread kindness rather than hatred if that makes sense?

Meanwhile, discourse-by-candlelight was one of the few systems I contacted directly via discord, as I know them myself. I quite enjoy their company and I'm thrilled to see them up against another system who I know and like!!

May the best of syscourse win!

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Astra: You're welcome and good to know! I'll reblog this on both of our most active blogs just to be sure it's well seen. Sorry again that you all have been dragged into this mess. Whoever is running system-facts is an asshole. Take care of yourselves, and don't let this prick ruin your day 💙

Hello, I'm Astra from the Candlelight Society. I wanted to reach out in the case that @system-facts is the blog of one of the alters in your system.

If he is not: I'm sorry for the wave of criticism that is likely coming your way from him being a troll and directing people towards you, take care of yourselves. I don't know why you would be the specific target but this person is either in need of serious help or a truly pathetic troll. Don't let it get to you. Feel free to reach out.

If he is: I'm sorry that he has dragged you all into this position, but he is causing real harm and problems for multiple people. Whatever the case is that has made him do these things, please make him stop and prevent him from doing these things again. I'm not particularly affected by being fakeclaimed, but that isn't the case for many on Tumblr. I'll also apologize for any messages that may cause a negative effect on you that I said towards him, even if I still think they were justified. Feel free to reach out if you need to talk 💙

Hello. I am not natasha / the princess, I am Alaska, but I am also from The Corporate Tower.

We lost Wi-Fi and I’m going off of data from our phone. We seen the tag right before our Wi-Fi went out and couldn’t respond to it so thank you for inboxing this blog and telling us.

We don’t know who the fuck that person is. We don’t even have that url as one of our blogs.

Our only sideblogs for members are our system is me (alaskaintheforest), our boss Natasha (her 18+ personal blog and this one), Syntax (his 18+ blog and dragon of endos), and Supernova (supernovafoxposting).

Yes, a lot of personal info, but we don’t post much important things on those blogs.

Proof just in case. And because we’re paranoid. Censored blogs are 18+ so we didn’t want to reveal them. Corporate creations is our newest blog we made today as a new system member creation blog.

So, listen :

System-facts is NOT one of our blogs as they do not know us, we do not know them, as well as we don’t even have system-facts as a blog.

If you can help reblog this for reach please do. We are not about to get thrown into some shit. We are setting this straight now.

Thank you for providing us an opportunity to reach out to you too. /gen

-Alaska

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You are not an endo, you are a traumagenic system in denial. Loneliness is a common route to trauma. The lockdowns were traumatic. No endo is on your side because you are not one of us. We will never mock your condition because we dont have it, because you are not an endo. We are.

This is the truth. Someone needed to say it without pulling the punch, and so I will. -Astra

what do you think of systems formed for non-negative reasons, such as those that just formed, systems that formed from daydreaming, or otherwise non-stressgenic systems?

Systems don’t form “just because.” If a system formed for non-negative reasons, it’s not a system.

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https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbHK5mTZ1bcAMEfdmcV6dCLfI7biFv-QF

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrY4c79dufSItMBf5BWOVCfRkyYdkt8Af

https://youtu.be/lMj3-WYnkKc?si=nlJoHv-zME976kd7

https://tulpanomicon.guide/

Astra: This is just a small list of very simple but useful guides, mainly videos because you can't read 💙 I have even more with different ideologies and methods if you want them.

I'd be willing to give you direct advice too if you'd like. I've helped create dozens of tulpas at this point.

You know what. For shits and giggles, give me a guide on how to form a tulpa. I’ll do it. I’ll even document the whole process as I do it.

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Astra: Have fun living a life of denial and community wide rejection then. As it currently stands neither side wants you here. You still got time to read and consider before you're entirely seen as a joke, but clocks ticking with every post you make. If anyone else in your system is reading this I quite heavily reccomend reining in whoever is running this blog, you're not going to have a good time at this rate.

As for me, I'm going to continue to be awesome and real alongside my tulpa system and I'll hang out with all of my other system friends whether tulpa endo or CDD. 💙

what do you think of systems formed for non-negative reasons, such as those that just formed, systems that formed from daydreaming, or otherwise non-stressgenic systems?

Systems don’t form “just because.” If a system formed for non-negative reasons, it’s not a system.

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Astra: Hi! I'm Astra, an endogenic headmate, a tulpa specifically. You're saying a bunch of bullshit because you're a traumagenic in denial and since you're fakeclaiming my existence I'm going to be fully honest with you without any regrets.

Let's discuss, shall we? 💙

So where did the term endogenic start? Well you should know this as you've already spoken to the coiner. But before Lunastus coined Endogenic, the community went under a different name, Natural Multiplicity. As the name implies, protogenic systems were a big part of the community, and do you know who else was a big member? If you guessed Soulbonds, a group often associated with spiritual or created plurality, you'd be correct! Of course Natural Multiplicity has a bit of a nasty ring to it, as it implies traumagenic systems are unnatural, and an even more complicated and nasty history, which is why it got renamed to endogenic plurality.

Some other forms of endogenic plurality that's been around for ages are spiritual plurals, systems formed from dreams, spontaneous systems, and more! The neat thing about the term endogenic is that it really just means not formed from trauma, so the variations of what can fall under it are quite vast.

Now the elephant in the room, you're belief that endogenics must be formed from negative events. So the problem here is that you're essentially taking stressgenic and applying it to all forms of plurality, and stressgenic is already controversial for one simple reason: most times people use it they're traumagenic and just downplaying their own experiences. The thing about trauma is that it isn't the event itself that defines the trauma, it's the response to it that does. What is traumatic for one person, may not be traumatic for another. If you experienced a negative event to the point in which your experience of self segregated into multiple parts, chances are your brain found that event traumatic and dissociated to cope. We know a thing or two about this. Despite being a tulpamancy formed system we have trauma, and it did influence our system. The creation part still is the defining feature for us, not the trauma which pushed our original to that route, but they can't be cleanly separated. So, why are you trying to redefine the term endogenic when you're likely traumagenic and you hate most of the endogenic community? I can only come to the conclusion that you're in denial, and I hope this gives you a wake up call to be able to overcome that and grow, because I'd prefer you anti endo and aware than whatever stupidity you call this stance.

Also have some reading material to fact check me:

https://pluraldeepdive.weebly.com/

https://archive.ph/iYWjG

https://lb-lee.dreamwidth.org/1111069.html (note: quite biased but gives a good inside view of the Natural Multiplicity movement for better or worse)

what do you think of systems formed for non-negative reasons, such as those that just formed, systems that formed from daydreaming, or otherwise non-stressgenic systems?

Systems don’t form “just because.” If a system formed for non-negative reasons, it’s not a system.

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no, sorry. most pro endos are not radqueers and will never be

being pro endo is not equivalent to accepting of every single identity under the sun.

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Astra: I keep seeing people receive Wesker jumpscares in their inboxes and I have only one question:

Where's ours >:(

I want one, he's so cool

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