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people have got to get normaler about systems

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It kind of bothers us to see people treat those who insist OSDID is a trauma disorder as "terfs" or to see those who insist it is not as naysayers because, and we mean this as honestly and as kindly as possible, no one fucking cares about this sort of discourse in real life.

I don't mean that medically or professionally people don't care, but rather that a diagnosis exists so that someone can receive the help and resources they need, and the only reason they would need those is if they were struggling. Many self-proclaimed endogenic systems insist they do not have trauma, therefore have no need for a diagnosis or resources given to those with severe trauma.

As a community, we know science, especially mental science, has ethics it is required to follow, which is why to test exactly how, why, and what is needed to form a dissociative disorder is unethical. That being said, there are plenty of RAMCOA/programmed systems who will sit and tell you and while there aren't papers posted on it, it is widely known, especially in Christian nationalist and human trafficking organizations, how to induce OSDID and various (mostly cluster B) personality disorders.

Hell, even someone who has never done the research but wants to start a cult can just make a system (in our experience)

Now, if we are to look at OSDID as a complex disorder stemming from PTSD (post traumatic Stress disorder), then the idea that being "mixed origin" due to experiencing stress makes no sense. Stress is inherently traumatic, though in varying amounts for different people. Autistics tend to have lower stress thresholds.

Also, many people devalue their trauma. They act like because it wasn't dramatic or fancy enough, that because it wasn't a cult or witnessing a body, it isn't "enough." This couldn't be further from the truth.

A list of things that could cause any number of traumagenic disorders:

Spanking

Employing the false parenting method of leaving a child to cry in their crib so that they will "learn." (they are incapable of such, as they are a child)

Forcing a child to spend long, unwilling periods of time by themselves

Forcing a child to sit in silence puncuated by meditative or "worship" procedures as a punishment (the Mormon church does this often)

Having an inconsistent and often negative view on a child's consistent actions (being kind one day and miserable the next etc etc)

Repeated bullying

Emotional and/or physical abuse from a person in power of the child (parents, teachers, lawmakers, other students)

Gaslighting

Enforcing body dysmorphia

A child growing up in a home where the parents hate each other and do not try to hide it or do anything about it

Religious abuse/harassment (things along the line of "if you don't follow our very vague and impossible idea of perfection, you will burn or suffer forever")

Medical neglect

Emotional neglect

Physical neglect

Sexual harrassment

Sexual assault

Rape/CSA/CSEM

Torture

Witnessing death

Cannibalism

Being forced to engage in and/or cover up a murder

Literally anything cults do

There is no precedent for how severe the trauma has to be as long as it is trauma and repeated. You will notice how a good portion of these are usually started in infancy, before memories may even form. This is often why many systems don't remember or cannot access those memories. No matter what type of amnesia, if the brain was never able to remember its trauma from the metaphorical get-go, it is unlikely it would gain the ability to do so.

If you experience plurality or dissociation, speaking to an informed trauma specialist, or even a close friend who may deal with the same thing and is educated about what is going on may help. Personally, I don't care if someone identifies as endogenic or multigenic or whatever label people come up with to excuse their trauma. One of the symptoms of this disorder is denial. I don't even encourage trying to find out the specifics of one's trauma without a strong support system. I do think self-diagnosis is a valuable tool, but like any form of diagnosis, it is designed to figure out what the problem is, so that it can be easier to manage. I also think it's unfair to call those who believe the current research on the disorder "TERFs" or "sysmeds," as being trans has no link to childhood trauma or any significant research to back up what "causes" it.

For context, the gender dysphoria argument was created sometime in the early stages of trans medicine so that doctors could determine which patients would do anything for SRS/HRT, so that they could make their prices unreasonable.

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When I was first looking into DID and trying to figure out my alters, I went in headfirst into trying to identify "clear" differences and kinda forced ourselves to choose our own names and really focus in on trying to force ourselves to be our own unique individuals. And there was and has always been this expectation within the online system community that That's How DID Works. The option of "you can simply observe the differences and patterns and note those down, note down the differences between us, without caring so much about the names and pronouns of us" wasn't There. And I'm kind of having to "undo" a lot of the ways we tried to force ourselves to Choose Names and Figure Ourselves Out and Figure Out Our Individual Identities. Like I don't have to do that. I can notice where we differ and observe and acknowledge "that's a specific alter, and here are the things about them that are specific to them" without caring so heavily about choosing different names and different pronouns and acting as if we are literally different people.

I've been focusing on just. Allowing us to choose names if we want to. But most of us do not care. We're fine with the name Ethan as our overall names and those of us who DO want to be acknowledged with our own names, do so. But it just sucks that I had this expectation that we needed to have our own unique, individual names and to be viewed as such. I wish there wasn't this expectation of "alters who are basically separate people with their own names and pronouns and" like it sucks that I now have to step away from that thinking and let us find our own names, if we want, on our own terms, and allow ourselves to just like. Acknowledge we're not a single, coherent "person" and acknowledge and observe the differences and I can acknowledge and Know that an alter is an alter without putting a name or even a label to that alter. Of course a label at the very least is helpful because it's easier to talk about those alters that way, but my point is that if you're trying to force yourselves to have your own individual names and sets of pronouns when you/your alters don't necessarily Care to, that can do a lot of damage sometimes. You don't need your own separate names and identities to know you exist. You can acknowledge things like "I know that's a specific alter because my body language and emotions are different from them" without trying to force yourself to slap a name to it.

Some of us want and have our own names, because we want to. Most of us don't care too much to have a separate name from our collective name. Ethan is not "A" Host, it is just our collective name, many of us identify 'as'/'with' this name, it is impossible to track down one singular part of us that uses the name Ethan. But there was always this expectation that we Need to find our own individual names and individual identities and individual sets of pronouns in order to figure ourselves out as alters. But that is just not the case for us and I wish that that wasn't the assumption and expectation.

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isn't it insane though how schizophrenic people are viewed as violent and dangerous by the majority of society when in reality schizophrenic people are nearly 14 times more likely to be on the receiving end of violence than to be the perpetrators...

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I love this post as a read for Dirk cause we literally never watch him grow out of that mindset. Ever I don't think. Even at his best moments he can never allow himself to feel victimized. U know what I mean lmao. The only time he can be is if he places himself as both the victim and perpetrator at the same time in a situation. If he can't neatly twist something to remember himself as the perpetrator then the thing might as well have never happened to him.

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Me trying to explain to allistic systems that autistic systems split way easier -karl

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I feel like everyone has one specific mythical creature that makes up at least 5% of their identity

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Stop trying to clearly distance yourself from abusers by calling them narcissists or sociopaths or psychos. It's time to face the facts and swallow the harsh truth that literally everyone has the potential to do harm - not just a specific subset of mentally ill people.

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Things I Believe Should Be Included in Future Moon Knight Projects

Scenes in which Steven learns more about DID. He has an apartment filled with books and learned 2 languages in his limited free time when fronting, he definitely goes home and gets as much info as he can on he and Marc’s condition. Marc’s a little apprehensive at first because he’s spent so much of their lives sheltering Steven from the truth, but once they start researching it actually makes daily life much easier. Possibly include the meme “mental illness, innit?”

Limited communication between Jake and Marc at first. Show them learning how to communicate internally better, and leaving notes and quick voice messages for each other. Marc and Steven figured it out so quickly, I think it would be good to show that not all members of a system can instantly communicate as easily as they do. Possibly Steven and jake establish ways of communicating earlier on, leading Marc to ask why it’s so easy for Steven, cue Steven referencing their earlier research “it’s not always like it was for you n me, mate”

Scenes in which we get to see brief glimpses into other ways that the systems lives can be affected by did. Leaning against counters bc they’re dissociating but not switching, them using grounding techniques when in stressful or triggering situations, having to work through sleep and medication and fish feeding schedules bc they could switch unexpectedly and lose time, etc.

Show Steven coming to the front in a stressful/triggering situation, and he can pull off a pretty damn good Marc impression. This happens all the time irl for a lot of systems who are in situations in which it’s not safe to unmask.

Let Marc and Steven make friends. Like, real friends, not just Layla.

Jake already has friends, connections, a guy who knows a guy, etc.

Jake speaking in Spanish, Marc responding in Spanglish, Steven responding in English, all to each other, and they all understand each other.

Jake protecting the system by any means necessary, and Marc and Steven being very grateful rather than upset. Please, I need this one. I actually have this scene written out already.

Steven having a day job he actually likes and is passionate about, and his boss knows about his DID and is very accommodating and chill. Please. He deserves it

I will add more as I think of them

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I dont think im ever going to be able to articulate how much moon knight means to us in terms of healthy multiplicity

They showed a system. They showed them struggling. Different alters struggling with different things, fighting each other but then learning to accept each other and work together.

They broke down the dissociative barriers between Marc and Steven without making them fuse. DID cant be cured, but the symptoms can be managed and systems can learn to work together and I think its amazing that Marvel included that

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we are diagnosed with the disorder and are CSA survivors but since you clearly know us better and love speaking over people who have been in therapy since 2015, I'm sure you clearly know enough to rediagnose us then? And if we're delusional are you diagnosing us with schizophrenia instead even though we don't meet the diagnostic criteria? Keep your armchair diagnosis away from us and shut up and learn to have some bloody respect. not to mention we LIVE with s therapist but I'm sure you *clearly* knew that. -Matt

system terms for singlets/newly discorvered systems

note: most of these are actual medical terms and the rest are community wide colloquialisms

System: all alters present in a body of someone with a dissociative disorder

Alter: state of existence inside a system. often referred to as alternate personality or alternate identity

headmate: colloqialism to refer to an alter or alters

singlet: shorthand to refer to someone without a dissociative disorder. has no negative connotation

Headspace/Innerworld: Where alters go when they arent actively controlling the body. There are no limitations on what headspace may appear as or how big/complex it may be

introject: an alter that forms with either the personality, appearance, memory, or all three of an outside entity. can be fictional, real, or any kind of nonhuman creature

fictive: a type of introject that forms based on a work of fiction

factive: a type of introject that forms based on a real person or entity

fuzztive: a type of introject of an animal

traumagenic: medical term used to refer to any disorder that forms through trauma

Host: usually referring to the alter in a system that fronts the most, or is the agreed on collective identity. there can be multiple hosts.

Gatekeeper: alter/alters whos job is to manage the amount of amnesia to traumatic memories each alter has OR an alter(s) whos job is to manage which alters front in which situations

Protector: a blanket term used for alters whos job is to keep the system safe

Avenger/Physical protector: an alter whos job is to orotect the body by any means, including fighting their abuser/attacker back

Persecutor: umbrella terms for alters that either intentionally or unintentionally hurt the body or other alters. almost always trauma holders

Antagonizer: a persecutor that purposely harms the system or body. these alters are almost always trauma holders and usually take their trauma out on others

Sexual Alter: An alter that exists to handle sexual trauma. Usually hypersexual, or in some cases, the only/few alters in a system that can handle sexual activity

Soother: An alter that exists to calm other alters or front and calm the body down after encountering a stressful situation/a trigger

Caretaker: An alter designed to take care of the littles, and/or the system. Usually present as some sort of a parental figure

Little: a child alter between the ages of 0-12

Placeholder: An alter who fronts when no one else wants to/is able to front. Usually alters who have no other role

Trauma holder: an alter who holds either specific memories or specific emotions of a trauma that the rest of the system do not

Symptom holder: An alter who experiences symptoms of an comorbid disorders far more than the rest of the system

Non-human alter: An alter that presents in headspace as nonhuman. incredibly common in systems that are autistic or were heavily dehumanized. (or both)

Fragment: An alter that has not fully formed yet. these alters are usually made of traumatic moments tyat dont take full form until they choose a state of existence. Usually end up becoming fictives

Subsystem type 1: An alter that has other alters of themself to handle the trauma they may deal with. Common with gatekeeper alters

Subsystem type 2: A group of alters who are basically different versions of the same person. (not applicable to OSDD1a) they often live in a certain area of headspace only they can reach

Source: The piece of media/person/event an introject may be based on

Pseudo/source memories: memories that (mostly introjects) have that did not really happen but they remember as part of their personality

Polyfragmentation: When a system either has more than 100 alters, or at least 1 subsystem. Polyfragmented systems are almost always systems that have little to no support so they cooe with trauma/negative emotions by easily splitting

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system terms for singlets/newly discorvered systems

note: most of these are actual medical terms and the rest are community wide colloquialisms

System: all alters present in a body of someone with a dissociative disorder

Alter: state of existence inside a system. often referred to as alternate personality or alternate identity

headmate: colloqialism to refer to an alter or alters

singlet: shorthand to refer to someone without a dissociative disorder. has no negative connotation

Headspace/Innerworld: Where alters go when they arent actively controlling the body. There are no limitations on what headspace may appear as or how big/complex it may be

introject: an alter that forms with either the personality, appearance, memory, or all three of an outside entity. can be fictional, real, or any kind of nonhuman creature

fictive: a type of introject that forms based on a work of fiction

factive: a type of introject that forms based on a real person or entity

fuzztive: a type of introject of an animal

traumagenic: medical term used to refer to any disorder that forms through trauma

Host: usually referring to the alter in a system that fronts the most, or is the agreed on collective identity. there can be multiple hosts.

Gatekeeper: alter/alters whos job is to manage the amount of amnesia to traumatic memories each alter has OR an alter(s) whos job is to manage which alters front in which situations

Protector: a blanket term used for alters whos job is to keep the system safe

Avenger/Physical protector: an alter whos job is to orotect the body by any means, including fighting their abuser/attacker back

Persecutor: umbrella terms for alters that either intentionally or unintentionally hurt the body or other alters. almost always trauma holders

Antagonizer: a persecutor that purposely harms the system or body. these alters are almost always trauma holders and usually take their trauma out on others

Sexual Alter: An alter that exists to handle sexual trauma. Usually hypersexual, or in some cases, the only/few alters in a system that can handle sexual activity

Soother: An alter that exists to calm other alters or front and calm the body down after encountering a stressful situation/a trigger

Caretaker: An alter designed to take care of the littles, and/or the system. Usually present as some sort of a parental figure

Little: a child alter between the ages of 0-12

Placeholder: An alter who fronts when no one else wants to/is able to front. Usually alters who have no other role

Trauma holder: an alter who holds either specific memories or specific emotions of a trauma that the rest of the system do not

Symptom holder: An alter who experiences symptoms of an comorbid disorders far more than the rest of the system

Non-human alter: An alter that presents in headspace as nonhuman. incredibly common in systems that are autistic or were heavily dehumanized. (or both)

Fragment: An alter that has not fully formed yet. these alters are usually made of traumatic moments tyat dont take full form until they choose a state of existence. Usually end up becoming fictives

Subsystem type 1: An alter that has other alters of themself to handle the trauma they may deal with. Common with gatekeeper alters

Subsystem type 2: A group of alters who are basically different versions of the same person. (not applicable to OSDD1a) they often live in a certain area of headspace only they can reach

Source: The piece of media/person/event an introject may be based on

Pseudo/source memories: memories that (mostly introjects) have that did not really happen but they remember as part of their personality

Polyfragmentation: When a system either has more than 100 alters, or at least 1 subsystem. Polyfragmented systems are almost always systems that have little to no support so they cooe with trauma/negative emotions by easily splitting

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actual system intro lol

hey, we're the evergreen system! we are a jewish disabled traumagenic OSDD1b system

we are medically recognized as a system, though we do believe in self diagnosis

Along with OSDD, we have autism, ADHD, PTSD, and suspected fibromialgya

we believe fakeclaiming is more harmful to the community than good, and believe in polite education on our disorder.

questions are always open to ask!

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I saw a post the other day from someone who was distressed that a parent had found their system tiktok and I can’t stop thinking about it

If you are scared about someone, particularly an abuser, finding an account, don’t share identifying information, especially not videos of yourself.

I grew up in the early days of the internet and online safety PSAs which were often laughable but deeply ingrained the idea that the internet can be dangerous so never give out identifying information.

And while I think some of those ideas are rather extreme, it’s really jarring to see how much things have swung in the opposite direction.

If you are posting things you don’t want people in your life to see, don’t post things on an open platform with identifying information such as your face, your name, or where you live.

This is especially important if you’re concerned about abusers finding what you post.

I know the internet has changed drastically and it’s a lot more common for people to post identifying info, but if you’re still in a position where people in your life seeing what you post could be dangerous, please be careful. Find places or ways to post that are separate from your IRL identity. Keep yourself safe.

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god i hate how normalized diet culture and shit like bmi and calories are. bmi is based on eugenics. calories are a measurement of how much energy something gives u and not at all of how much weight or fat ull gain. diets have been proven to be harmful and ultimately unhelpful in actually losing weight. fatness has been largely proven to not be inherently unhealthy and doesnt inherently cause health issues.

if anyone has more good links to add on then please do and if anyone knows more on this stuff than me then dont hesitate to correct me!

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this is a post for the kids who had to sit alone and were never the first choice and were made to feel other and were not remembered or seen and felt wrong in their skin and like they were on a different plane than everyone else and felt loneliness ingrained so deep it felt like a part of them and felt one slip away from disappearing and being forgotten forever and were always watching and those kids only: you are beautiful and worthy of being seen and loved