non-average-occult-fan

[non-average-occult-fan]

If you don't know, Cipher Grove and the Temple is a scam

No, there will be no temple built, all the funding goes to the luxury of the temple leaders, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is as no effort has been made with the temple

Cipher Grove and the Temple offers courses and stuff fo 400 dollars a year, not only is the ai art used to make it seem official, they are actually not registered as a business at all! And the donations aren't actually being made clear either on how much is earned

It's just a bunch of website made from wix, while the funding goes into making sure the website itself doesn't say it's wix, the rest of it doesn't necessarily go anywhere except to collecting more people for this so called temple, it's actually kind of outrageous, Dorian also links directly to paypal as a place for donation too

So far these business practices being made are honestly dangerous, and if you're affiliated with that group of people, get out, even if they're friendly, they aren't the only source out there for demonology work

I will also note, all of the research was done by AI in Cipher Grove by Dorian, so no, not a good source for information about demons

[non-average-occult-fan]

Temple Vesperitas/ Cipher Grove might actually be a scam

I always felt something off with both the temple and Cipher Grove as being a source for stanic/demonic work with how they handle prices

The Versperitas website itself might be a scam as the leaders/owners claimed to have the same vision and to come together to form the website and temple itself

Also I forgot to mention that they use a heavy amount of ai generated work as well, so they might've used AI in the descriptions as well

They also create artifical scarcity with their online courses, using ai generated art

They also claim to be one of the more "true" resources to information

But also the owner (Dorian) and yes, this is from the public temple server, had also took a vacation as well instead of using the funds for their goal: to create a physical temple

Also they've been having their own members spread word and give out pamphlets as well on their server, aka, free advertising, I myself when it comes to learning about the infernal and infernal work wouldn't necessarily rely on these sorts of courses since they're about $50-70 a course and their temple membership is $10 a month! They also haven't necessarily been clear with their goals either when it comes to their steps, nor are they actually set up as a non-profit

I want it to be clear that this isn't an attack, nor do I want these individuals involved to be attacked at all! As a matter of fact, I appreciate someone for making a satanic temple, or at least attempting to but this one has been kind of sketchy with the fake products, asking people to advertise for them or as well as might be using the profit made for building the temple to fund a vacation! It just seems very fishy to me

I also don't know if anyone else had felt this way about cipher grove, as a resource of information but something feels so heavily off

Also yes, Cipher Grove and Temple Vesperitas work together, also this is not promotion at all but a simple worry of a fellow satanist, seeing as they're using social media trends to fuel their project, with Ai images and text