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RAMCOA/TBMC vs conspiracy theories. If this ends up being too long for one part, I'll make a part 2

In my intro post, I said this. To some people, especially non-survivors or questioning survivors, it may be confusing to try to differentiate what RAMCOA/TBMC vs conspiracy theories. In this post, I'm going to touch on specific theories and compare them to the realities of RAMCOA/TBMC

TW: RAMCOA and TBMC with definitions and moderate detail, CSA

Section 1- What does RAMCOA and TBMC mean?

Note- I explain RA and OA before explaining MC/TBMC because i split the MC/TBMC explanation into two parts (programming and non-programming)

RAMCOA- An acronym for ritual abuse, mind control, and organized abuse

TBMC- An acronym for trauma or torture-based mind control

Ritual abuse- A combination of physical, emotional, and s/xual abuse meant to control and condition the victim's thoughts and behaviors. It is deliberate and performed the same way repeatedly. RA will typically involve specific abuse performed the same way on the same date every year. For example, a specific "ritual" is performed every year on the victim's birthday. Typically but not always religious, spiritual, and/or political in nature. Typically involves multiple victims and multiple perpetrators. May be multi-generational, performed exclusively within a single family, performed in a cult, tr/fficking ring, or other organization/group that may be religious and/or political and can be very large or very small, performed without the victim's parents knowing in places where children spend time, or more. Many people believe that RA cannot take place without MC, but not necessarily programming. When people think of RA, they think of satanic ritual abuse. It's important to note that RA can occur using any religious beliefs and non-religious beliefs as well. When RA is satanic, more often than not it's the concept of satan being used to create fear, guilt, and conflicting religious beliefs in the child, not satanic worship.

Organized abuse- This is an umbrella term for any abuse organized with multiple victims and multiple perpetrators. OA is deliberate. Every aspect is planned by the perpetrators. This is typically seen in cults, tr/fficking rings of any type, places where children spend time, and any type of high control groups. In the case of places such as churches, daycares, schools, and camps, this doesn't necessarily mean that the entire group/organization practices OA. It may be a specific group of workers. For example, in a large daycare: Most of the staff does their job properly. They take care of the children, play with them, do activities, etc. These workers don't abuse the children and aren't aware of the abuse taking place. However, there are three staff members who are all members of a tr/fficking ring outside of the daycare. They all had all the credentials necessary to work at the daycare years in advance because this was planned within the ring for years. They all applied for the job and got it. While working at the daycare, they take small groups of children into another room and perpetrate abuse that they film for the tr/fficking ring.

MC/TBMC- Acronym for Mind Control/Trauma or T/rture Based Mind Control. There are two types of MC: programming and non-programming

Programming- Programming needs to be started at a very young age in order to work. The child is repeatedly t/rtured to intentionally cause the child to dissociate and develop a DID system that is made to function to perfectly suit the abuser's needs. The child is given cues to perform a specific behavior and bring out certain alters.

Non-Programming- This can be done to someone of any age as it does not cause DID. Typically done to prisoners of war/political prisoners, long-term k/dnapping victims, long-term abusive situations, people indoctrinated in a cult or trafficked later in life or in an organization unable to program someone. It can include willfull compliance in an extremely abusive situation, Stockholm syndrome, brainwashing though abuse and t/rture, t/rturing a POW until they switch sides and become completely loyal to the group that is holding them prisoner.

Section 2- Common conspiracy theories used in the context of RAMCOA explained, debunked, and compared to RAMCOA

Note- All of these terms overlap and are often used interchangeably by theorists. If I say that theorists claim an aspect of one of these theories, it's safe to assume that aspect is a part of the other theories.

Project Monarch- Project Monarch is a theorized CIA subsection of MKULTRA. It was first suggested by Cathy O'Brien, a famous conspiracy theorist. After recalling memories under hypnosis, she claimed she was kidnapped and that her and her daughter were victims of PM. She claimed that PM was made of international child tr/fficking rings, dr/g barons, and satanists who used TBMC to make her and her daughter into s/x sl/ves. She accused US presidents and government officials from several countries of being a part of PM and accused Bush of abusing her directly. Over many years of in-depth investigations, experts criticized her claims for including absolutely no evidence and having many inconsistencies. She claims to have a total photographic recall but remembered nothing about the alleged kidnapping abuse. Her later memories were "recovered" under hypnosis, which has been scientifically proven time and time again to create false memories more often than not. In current days, theorists claim that celebrities are victims of PM.

The Illuminati/NWO- Historically, the Illuminati was a real Bavarian secret society in the Enlightenment era. However, it was ended and banned around 1785. In this context, the Illuminati and NWO is a term used to describe all of the international elite of the world including government and royal officials, celebrities, the world richest families and individuals, elite organizations, banks and financial brances of government, corportations (known as resource control), the education system, all organized religions, the media, and all types of government including secret services, military, police, courts, and prisons. Theorists claim that the illuminati is conspiring to acheive world domination and that they are actively programming every citizen through many methods (none of these methods are used in real MC because they're impossible. also, you can't indirectly program someone through the media and education). They also claim that celebrities sell their souls to the devil and are programmed. This entire theory is rooted in anti-semetism and is still blatantly anti-semetic to this day. You can read about why it's anti-semetic here: https://www.cairn-int.info/journal-revue-du-crieur-2015-1-page-128.htm I think it should be very obvious why this is fake. In terms of MC, some of the ways theorists claim the illuminati programs citizens is subliminal messaging in the media, 5G internet, micr/chips in v/cc/nes, and more. Simply put, programming requires prolonged physical t/rture. I think that says enough.

MK-ULTRA- MKULTRA was a very real thing- in the 1950s and 1960s. It ended in 1964. The MKULTRA subsection that ran the latest (as far as I know) was NAOMI. It ended in the 1970s and wasn't about MC. This one is gonna be short and sweet. If you were born anytime after around 1930-1940, you were not part of MKULTRA.

Section 3- Moral panics and other historical events used to deny RAMCOA and why they shouldn't be used to deny RAMCOA

Michelle Remembers- This was the book that sparked the satanic panic. In 1980, a psychiatrist and his patient wrote a book about the real therapy sessions with the patient, a woman named Michelle (who he later married) who went to him to be treated for depression. After screaming nonstop for 25 minutes and then speaking as a five-year-old, the psychiatrist spent over 600 hours hypnotizing her (I've already talked about why hypnosis is bad). In that time, Michelle "remembered" very extreme RA at the hands of a satanic cult. This was investigated for decades and there was absolutely no evidence. During an 81-day ritual in which Michelle claimed to be locked in a cage, she was attending school with no absences. She had no unusual absences any other time either. The extreme t/rture she claimed to have experienced involved her being t/rtured and c/t with kn1ves, and yet she had no scars. She claimed that during the 81-day ritual, they summoned Satan, Jesus, Mary, and Michael the Archangel who removed her scars. The most recent documentary about this book was this year. This book was used as training material for social workers and law enforcement, and the psychiatrist was called as a consultant in the McMartin preschool trial. This book has been used for years as proof for why you cannot repress and recover memories. But what it actually proves is that hypnosis can easily cause false memories, especially 600+ hours of it. Amnesia is a common symptom of trauma, and even more common for anyone with DID as different alters hold different memories. This book proved absolutely nothing about dissociative amnesia.

Satanic Panic and the daycare CSA hysteria - After Michelle Remembers was published, it was said that there were over 12,000 documented accusations of satanic ritual abuse in America that were investigated and proven false. The Kern County case started the daycare CSA hysteria. In 1982-1983, 60 children in Kern County claimed they had been abused by a satanic s/x ring. It started when two children were coached by their grandparents into saying their parents abused them as part of a satanic s/x ring. 36 people were convinced, but no evidence was ever found. The McMartin preschool trial was the second case. In 1983, a parent accused a teacher at McMartin of abusing her son. The school sent out a notice to the parents to check their children for signs of abuse. The mother was found to be a paranoid schizophrenic and an alcoholic, but not before 360 interviewed children claimed to have been abused at the preschool in incredibly bizarre, inconsistent and impossible manners. The way in which they were interviewed was found to have been very suggestive and confusing for the children. No evidence was found. The case lasted 7 years and costed $15 million, but no one was convicted. There were at least 16 famous cases that made up this hysteria. This is used to say that RAMCOA is just the satanic panic all over again and that false memories are made without hypnosis. What it actually proves is that children have active imaginations and are willing to say what adults and peers tell them to say. The children of these daycare trials had no idea what CSA and SRA were, they were claiming what parents, peers, and law enforcement suggested and coerced them to say. Also, it's been proven that researches were not able to implant memories of REPEATED CSA without the use of suggestion while on dr/gs and/or under hypnosis.

False memory syndrome + the false memory syndrome foundation- The False Memory Syndrome Foundation was an organization made to support people who had been accused of abuse after the accuser developed false memories because of therapy. It was founded by a Peter Fryd who was accused of CSA by his adult daughter, along with Pamela Fryd, Peter's wife AND ST3PSISTER. His daughter is Dr. Jennifer Freyd, the doctor who came up with DARVO and is an expert researcher in the field of betrayal trauma.

A founder of the foundation famously said in court and the media "60% of women s/xually abused in childhood reported that the experience was ‘good for them'".

Another member of the board gave an interview to a pro-"MAP" (i'm using the term instead of the real word because of guidelines) magazine. He stated " *MAPS* can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love. I am also a theologian and as a theologian, I believe it is God’s will that there be closeness and intimacy, unity of the flesh, between people. A *MAP* can say: ‘This closeness is possible for me within the choices that I’ve made.’”.

Another board member and medical professional stated when talking about therapy for CSA survivors "The real message being sold by these new therapy messiahs is the ultimate cry-baby solution to everyone’s pitiful human problems. It’s all someone else’s fault.”

And ANOTHER board member said “A friend and colleague had an adult daughter in therapy accuse him of childhood s/xual abuse.” She says, “It was my best judgment that this was unbelievable of the person I knew and could only been induced by the therapist.”. She said this while having no contact with the therapist or daughter.

Source: https://news.isst-d.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-false-memory-syndrome-foundation/ another good article: https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html False memory syndrome is a term used to describe simply having false memories. It was coined and used to describe people who recovered memories of abuse in therapy that didn't happen. However, according to the British Psychological Society stated that while researchers were able to implant memories of a single abuse incident, they were never able to implant memories of repeated abuse. Memory is highly suggestible and changes every second. Every memory you have has small details that've changed over time. Elizabeth Loftus and Jim Coan were able to implant memories 6/24 participants in of being lost in the mall as a child. Wade was able to implant memories of a hot balloon ride in 50% of participants. Loftus also implanted memories of being attacked by a small animal as a child, nearly drowning and being saved by a lifeguard as a child, and having a physical accident at a wedding as a child. She also proved that people viewing a video of a car crash would remember the crash differently depending on the wording used by the interviewer. Pezdek and Hodge tried to implant memories of a painful en3ma in children, but it almost never worked. NOBODY was able to implant long-term PTSD, somatic flashbacks, total flashbacks, fear of s/x, hypers/xuality, physical symptoms of CSA trauma, strange and overwhelming emotional responses and emotional flashbacks, s/bstance abuse, SH, hypervigilance or disinhibition, trauma disorders and co-morbid disorders, dissociation, etc etc.

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My experience with religion and spirituality as a RAMCOA survivor

TW: CRA (no details), RAMCOA, brief mention of cults, various religions, brief implications and mentions of SH and EDs I am the main host of an (H)C-DID system. Because my abuse was extremely religious, I (we) have a very complicated relationship with religion and spirituality. Our abuse took place in a Catholic group that was recruiting through our church. I don't consider the church itself a cult because it doesn't follow the BITE model, but the group does. Catholicism was ingrained in us from birth. We went to a Catholic daycare, Catholic preschool, and Catholic elementary school. We only went to church on Sundays, but we spent every day after school with the group. From a very early age, possibly even early infancy, We were severely and ritualistically abused because of it. Every aspect of Catholicism was warped and twisted to fit our abuser's needs. However, due to a conflict within the group, we were dropped a decade early when we were only 7. While this gave us a better chance at healing, it was too late. Certain things had been successfully implemented by that time.

After being dropped, we continued to practice Catholicism along with our family, who wasn't aware of the abuse that occurred. They believed that it was a group meant to socialize and entertain the kids while teaching them religious lessons. Being busy parents who both had full-time jobs, they gladly sent us there. It took years for them to realize that wasn't the case. We went to a different church and we were able to experience non-abusive versions of the sacraments we had never known before. This was nice, but it wasn't as healing as I wish it was. We still had deeply religious alters that were loyal and exclusively believed in the group's warped version of Catholicism. Certain alters would perform modified versions of harmful rituals on the body and/or inner world. Our entire system would become very chaotic and violent during Catholic holidays.

The next paragraph has highlights for clarity when I'm talking about other alters. When I say "I" in this paragraph, I'm talking about me as a host. When I say our/we, I'm talking about the system as a whole or the body.

In middle school, we learned about Wicca, Paganism, and witchcraft. I began to secretly test the waters. My family is still Catholic, so I had to hide everything I was doing. Our religious alters hated this. When I bought supplies, they would throw them away. When I tried to perform spells, they would forcefully front and end the spell, then punish us. Sometime in middle school, I told our parents I didn't want to go to church anymore. They were mad, but let me/us stop going. This caused a crisis within our system. I was temporarily locked out of the front, we didn't speak for about a month, we experienced extreme SI and would SH constantly, and developed an ED. All of this quickly alerted our parents and we were sent to therapy. When we disclosed anything, these symptoms would worsen until we were hospitalized. Under supervision, we were gradually able to disclose more and more, leading to us being referred to several specialists. We were eventually able to work with a team of specialists who work with RAMCOA survivors. We were out of crisis and I was a host again.

In early high school, I discovered Kemetism. We have lots of Egyptian family, but they're Muslim so I was on my own. I started doing research and purchasing books about it. I took it slow and told our therapists because I was scared of another crisis, but everything was fine. Although we're still unable to use certain symbols and do certain Pagan/Wiccan/Witch things, I found that our religious alters are seemingly neutral and unaffected by Kemetism (or at least how I practice it). However, we still felt like we need to be Catholic. I interpreted this pull towards Catholichism as meaning that I wasn't fully loyal to Kemetism or the deities that I paid special attention to and would later end up working with. We still experience this pull, but I now understand and accept that it's because of our trauma and that feeling guilty and pushing Kemetism away will only reinforce what our abusers wanted. I currently have a mostly neutral view towards Catholichism. I believe that the Catholic god exists in some form the same way I believe Norse, Greek, Celtic, and more gods exist. However, I don't view the Catholic god as the one true supreme god, I don't worship him (it?), and I don't follow the bible the same way I don't follow other mythology.

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