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Very similar energy

Stonathan crumbs!

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Who is this kid on the black and white photo and why is it right next to Ted in S4 while he is talking about a serial killer being on the loose?

It's also illuminated by a light while being placed just in front of a phone. There is also a cup wit a rose print right next to it.

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a quiet moment

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This is exactly what I was trying to say with my post way back then. If Will is truly dead and Mike lives in this dream/this fantasy then Will like El is not the true cure for him.

Right now he might be but that's only because he is escaping into this fantasy where Will actually lives. This cannot last though because one day Mike will need to face his reality and his truth and accept the fact that Will is dead.

This will be what'll bring him true healing. (Not the false cure of El or the fake reality of Will living on)

He needs to understand and face the fact that Will is no longer with him and then he needs to grief. Only then will he be able to get unstuck and finally be able to move on with his life.

First he must see the truth though.

If the ending of the Nina Project were the cure for him then we would in fact be right back here at the cliff in S1. If Mike can only find happiness if he reconnects with his lost beloved then this would be the only way as there is no way to bring the dead back to life. Mike would need to join Will instead of the other way around.

Personally I'd rather not have this happening though.

It's also interesting to keep in mind that while Will in this story did not die on November 6th someone else died right about that time. It was also a best friend in a very queercoded relationship.

If Mike is the author of this story it almost seems like he wanted to have a similar event inside his story but instead of him having to deal with grief and loss it's his sister Nancy instead.

And there is still one other thing. If Will really died on November the 6th when he was 12 years old then there is no saying if the real Will ever loved Mike back. He was just way to young to say this for sure. Maybe he would have come to love Mike in the future or maybe he would not.

This could then also be part of the reason why Mike in his letter hopes that Will likes the ending of the story. If he completed his story in a way that gets fictional Mike and Will together then hoping for real Wills approval is the only thing he can do.

He would never know for sure though as Will is dead and cannot say a word about this. He can neither approve nor disapprove.

Will died...

On November 6, in another version of reality and the show keeps alluding to this fact...

In the episode description of the episode "Vecna's Curse", it plainly states that a dead body brought Hawkins to a halt. Meaning, a dead body caused time to stop. THIS is likely why time stopped in the Upside Down Hawkins on November 6th- Will died that day. This is also likely the event that created everything- including the Upside Down itself. Someone's world literally turned upside down because of Will's death.

Mike likely had a hand in stopping/reversing/altering reality to prevent this from occurring... especially since we are shown a visual clue of time coming to a halt that day from a wheel stopping.

Max refuses to spend "the last day of [her] life" in "Mike Wheeler's basement" which is exactly where Will spent the last day of his life. No throwaway lines.

Mike always feels like he keeps losing Will because, in some reality, he did.

Will's entire move to California is symbolic for death. Will moved west, where the sun sets, to Lenora which is a reference to the "Lost Lenore" trope.

The episodes "Dear Billy" and "The Nina Project" have SO many clues alluding to Will's death.

Max reads her letter to a deceased William with the song "Letter to Willy" playing. We are shown graves of both "William" and "_YERS".

At Pennhurst, Hatch says:

"We found that music has a particularly calming effect on the broken mind. The right song, particularly one which holds some personal meaning, can prove a salient stimulus. But there are those who are... beyond a cure."

While he says this, we are shown these particular songs on the blackboard. Each one of these songs are about dreaming of another reality and reconnecting with a lost love! More on that here.

In "The Nina Project", the song "Letter to Willy" plays again while our characters are digging a grave for a hero. Mike and Will take a break to have a heart-to-heart.

During that heart-to-heart, we are shown a clear reference to the very first episode, the very last moment between Will and Mike prior to Will's disappearance. Mike expresses frustration with himself, thinking he could have prevented El from being taken. It's actually about Will.

The whole Mike is "the heart" while we are given lots of references to hearts being broken, stabbed etc are likely to due Mike's grief. Mike has a hole in his heart.

The story of Nina is important. Nina's lover was killed and she buried the memory... just like Mike. Mike is Nina.

Mike was so traumatized that he buried the memory of Will's death... believing he is still alive this entire time. Waiting for his return. He is stuck in a loop. He lost his mind.

Good news though. While Papa intentionally omits the second part of the play, there is a happy ending for Nina.

Much like Nina, there is a cure to Mike's insanity... his beloved. Which turns out not to be El but...

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Gosh I agree so much! Until mid 2023 I did not listen to music a whole lot and preferred the quiet. After that I listened to more but never with the thought in mind about how these songs might relate to me personally. They are also sometimes in languages I don't understand and I don't look up the meaning of the lyrics all the time either.

The only song which comes to mind is Diamanti grezzi by Clara and that's only because the music video made me feel a bit nostalgic. It got nothing to do with the lyrics although I did look them up as I don't speak italian

@starrycloak thank you so much for the tag though! You really made my day

tagging @bylerlipglances and everyone else who wants to do this feel free to do so!

If someone ever tells you a certain song is important to them you should turn it up and lay on your bed and close your eyes and really listen to it even if its 10 minutes long because at the end you will know that person much better I think

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I also ant to apologize to everyone for being away for so long. I hope that will change in the upcoming future as there is still so much I want to talk about when it comes to stonathan, the relationship between Jonathan and Nancy as well Barb, Nancy and all the queercoding that is going on there.

I'm not done with all of that yet.

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Dustin shipped stbin before he shipped stncy.

And then there is Eddie - Mr. forced conformity is killing the kids - who knows no other explanation than true love as to why Nancy jumped after Steve at the lake.

In S1 Barb also told Nancy she'll be so popular if she's with Steve and Jonathan tried to endear Steve to Nancy by lying to her about how he told him to bring her home at the party in S2.

Mike thinks Will is straight, Will ships Mileven and Robin ships Stancy, omg 😭

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“It's Steve who Vickie perceives as the one suffering and who she wants to provide with food.”

congrats on forgetting that the entire town has just been ripped apart and multiple people are dead and missing. oh poor Steve

I haven't forgotten that but things can have a double meaning, you know? Of cause Vickie wants to provide for the people who are suffering right then and there too. It's most likely why she volunteered. I am not doubting this at all.

I just think there is a hidden meaning behind her words as well.

First of all it's Vickie who even in this situation is not above talking about her ex-boyfriend and then goes on to talk about Fast Times. So the topic of the conversation here is also about the relationships these characters are having.

Then we have what I think is the true meaning behind her words. Notice how she looks up? She is looking in a direction where Steve is standing as it is revealed just a bit later. So I do think she was looking at him when she said these words about the people who are suffering.

Why would Vickie even think Steve is suffering? It's because she might believe him to be in emotional turmoil after what happened at the Weapon Store. I am trying to think this from her perspective here. She saw him looking at her too (he was there just behind Robin) and she must have realized how he also saw how Dan was kissing her. So Steve might be in turmoil because he likes Vickie and knows she has a boyfriend. Therefore he would be suffering as he wants to be with Vickie but can't be with her due to her already having a boyfriend.

It's all not true of cause. Steve isn't interested in her at all. What is going on here is just a whole lot of misreading everyone participates in because everyone else always thinks they know best when it comes to the feelings of others.

It was Steve who was pushing for rovckie more than anyone else arguably including Robin.

Robin didn't buy it when Steve told her only people who like girls are pausing Fast Times at 53:05 and later even said how she doesn't care when it comes to her love life, Vickie and someone (Vickie) really being into Judge Reinhold who is also really reminiscent of Steve.

Look here and here.

Steve meant well of cause and wanted his friend to be happy but that would not stop him from being wrong. In the end I think it's Robin who will get her heart broken when this comes to light. Or maybe she won't even be that hurt as she was never that interested in the first place.

You can of cause disagree with my interpretation of the characters as much as you want but by now I am just getting very suspicious of everything which gets presented to us as the obvious truth. This includes whatever romantic feelings are seemingly between Robin and Vickie. This is especially true if someone else is involved and tries to play matchmaker.

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run

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STRANGER THINGS || Chapter Four: The Body {1x04}

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-Lucas On The Line

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Jonathan holding his little brother 🥺

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Ghost? Really? - Max Mayfield

I just didn't look hard enough. - Lucas Sinclair

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Also Heroes and Islands in the Stream both preach the same thing lol. Fall of the Berlin wall, islands in the stream with no one in between. We're lovers, we can be heroes forever. We rely on each other, from one lover to another. I wish you could swim. like dolphins can swim. Sail away with me to another world.

NEVER. KENNY. ROGERS. Sure sure.

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Jonathan Byers aka God’s sleepiest soldier

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Favorite character meme - [1] character: Jonathan Byers (Stranger Things)

“Nobody normal ever accomplished anything meaningful in this world“.

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JOE KEERY as STEVE HARRINGTON STRANGER THINGS | 4.06 The Dive