#DANDAN

[kiwichils]

pots n picks week day 3: modern au

[dunmeshistash]

Where is the stuff about Dandan from? I also remember seeing something about the marriage hunter former member, but haven't been able to find it again, so I'm wondering if there are (more) extra chapters somewhere.

From here that's the only extra about his old party that I know of.

[deadshadowcreature]

Some half-foot stuffs, Mickbell joining the guild has got to be the reason why he managed to open a noodle shop post canon

Also Mithrun shenanigans sometime later

[rue-dixon]

Dandan and Chilchuck's wife look pretty similar. I think it would be kinda cool if they were canonically related. Him being her brother or something. And that he was mostly the one Chilchuck rented his home to. And since we know Dandan introduced Laios and Chilchuck, maybe he even helped Chilchuck form the guild, being brother-in-laws and all.

Seems like they know each other decently well too since they even interact in official art. You could assume that they've know each other for a long time, possibly even being childhood friends through his wife. Maybe Dandan has his own family as well, so the "relatives" are Dandan's family.

Maybe it's a reach, but I still think it's fun to think about.

[buniix3]

Day 6 Prompt: Family

I traced the table sue me. The reference is under the cut

[squeeb-art]

What if hobbits were jaded and cynical (thank you ms kui I love these little shits)

[tallgirl14]

This is Finley Jans who ended up losing his hearing while working a job in the dungeon. Finley To scared to move forward safely or to tell his party about his hear worried they would abandon him in the dungeon he ends up shutting down until he meets Chilchuck "im your dad now" Tims who comes to his aid. When chilchuck finds out he 14 (baby adult dont know jack) has no family he takes him home. teaches him dwarf asl

I had fun creating Finley's charater with @lelslizzylebs

Finley lives with them for like year and a half and ends up befriending chilchucks Youngest and most chaotic daughter Puckpattie who learns asl with Finley. and so far the only people who know asl is chill's family, so Finley tends to keep with them the most

[lelslizzylebs]

I’ve seen people hypothesize that Dandan (my favorite background character) is Chilchuck’s brother-in-law, and honestly that makes me laugh so hard. He took his wife’s brother in the split.

[apple-pretzelchan]

marchil but it's titanic au

[ciderjacks]

Dandan compilation

[chwn-wynn]

i like to imagine that mickbell often gets mistaken for a girl when he has his hair down and is turned around. just some silly silly thoughts

[chilfucked]

you guys think dandan and chil’s wife are related??

[room-surprise]

TRANSLATION ERROR: HOW DO HALF-FOOT NAMES WORK?

So, there are several translation issues in the official English release of Dungeon Meshi. One of them is the information about how half-foot names work.

Original text: 名前と後名・父親の名前の前名＋スあるいはズで構成する。チルチャックを例に挙げると、前名 (チル)＋後名 (チャック)・父親の名前 (ティム)＋ズ。チルチャックの娘のファミリーネームは“チルズ” か “チルス”となる。なお、前名だけ呼ぶのは親しい間柄だけである。 Official translation: Names are composed of a first name, a last name, and their father’s first name plus “s” or “z.” For example, Chilchuck’s first name is “Chil,” his last name is “Chuck,” and his father’s name is “Tim”+s. Chilchuck’s daughters’ family names are either “Chilz” or “Chils.” Only people who are very close to an individual call them by their first name on its own. Machine translation, confirmed by a human translator: It is composed of the first name, the second name, the first name of the father, and then either "u" or "z". For example, Chilchuck's first name is "Chill" + "second name" (Chuck) + "father's name" (Tim) + "s". The family name of Chilchuck's daughter is "Chilz" or "Chils". Only close friends call each other by their first name.

In Japanese, first/personal/given names are called mei (名, name) or shita no namae (下の名前, lower name). Family name/last name/surname can translate into three different Japanese words, myōji (苗字), uji (氏), and sei (姓).

The original Japanese text doesn’t use any of these standard words for first or last name at all, most likely to try and avoid exactly this confusion.

For Chilchuck, it uses 前名 (“before” + “name”) and 後名 (“back” + “name”), which are not normally used in Japanese to refer to a person’s personal name and family name, and when used together like this implies a two-part personal name (Chilchuck).

So Yen Press incorrectly states that “Chuck” is Chilchuck’s last name when the Japanese says 後名 (back name), and then correctly translates that his daughters’ family name (ファミリーネーム, family name written phonetically in katakana) is Chilz/Chils.

Kui most likely purposefully used the katakana phrase “family name” to make sure people understood that when she called Chuck his back name (後名), she did not mean last name/surname/family name.

So this caption should have been translated as something like:

“Half-foot names are composed of a personal name, which is made of a first part and a second part, followed by their family name, which is their father’s first name plus “s” or “z.”

Something that would have made this much easier to translate would be if Kui had called Tims and Chilz/Chils patronymics, which is the real world terminology for the type of name she's describing. As it is, the translators probably weren't familiar with patronyms and didn't recognize what Kui was talking about, and didn't proof-read their work sufficiently to catch that their translation was confusing and misleading.

A patronym is a name based on the personal name of one's father, grandfather, or an earlier male ancestor. Traditional patronymics like this change with every generation, which is what Kui describes the half-foots doing.

Over time a patronym sometimes gets “stuck” and becomes a hereditary patronymic surname instead of just a patronym. For example, the hereditary name Johnson originally meant that someone was the son of John, but the name became a fixed, hereditary surname, and now every generation of the family is called Johnson, no matter what their father’s personal name was.

If the half-foots had patronymic surnames/last names/family names, then Chilchuck's daughters would also be named Tims, but they're not, so we know that the last part of their names are actually just traditional patronymics.

So which part of Chilchuck Tims’ name is his last name/family name/surname?

Though it's really not a last name, Chilchuck's patronymic, Tims, functions the same way as a hereditary surname would function for someone else. Tims is the patronymic that he inherited from his father’s first name, which was Tim. It’s the name that connects him to his father and shows that they are related. For his daughters, their patronymic is Chilz/Chils, the name they inherited from Chilchuck, and that shows that they are related.

BONUS

Half-foot culture appears to be predominately Irish and Hebrew. This is interesting, because Irish is a Gaelic culture. Welsh is another Gaelic culture, and the way Welsh patronymic surnames developed is similar to Kui's half-foot naming system.

Historical Welsh names sometimes included references to several generations: e.g., Llywelyn ap Gruffydd ap Morgan (Llywelyn son of Gruffydd son of Morgan), and which gave rise to the quip, "as long as a Welshman's pedigree."

During the Anglicization process, ap Gruffydd was turned into Gruffydds; i.e., the "ap" meaning "son of" was replaced by the genitive suffix "-s", but there are also cases like "ab/ap Evan" being turned into "Bevan."

In some cases the "ap" coalesced into the name in some form, like ab Rhydderch becoming Broderick, ap Rhys becoming Price, and ap John becoming Upjohn.

(This is an excerpt from my essay on real world cultural and linguistic references in Dungeon Meshi. See chapter 8 for more information about Chilchuck and his daughter's names, and the real world influences in half-foot culture.)

[deadshadowcreature]

Some more half-foot draws, also out of context

[deucern]

Character Requests!

[sleepiercreature]

biblically accurate chilchuck and dandan