#NewDeal4Animation?

[looney-mooney]

Actors and Animators should go on strike next tbh. Especially cgi animators. Put the fear back into Hollywood

[johan-the-unknown]

Animation is DYING, But We Can Save It 

This is getting ridiculous now, I am not happy and am getting tired of News Like this, if you feel the Same, you know what to do, spread this around as much as you can, Spread. The. Word.  #NewDeal4Animation, i don’t know if this is still a thing anymore.

[roborevolutionaryrenditionsblog]

[twitchytyrant]

[weirdocartoongirl]

Ultimate Chaos movie poster variant 2

(SPOILERS AHEAD!)

The second variant of the Ultimate Chaos movie (which includes the original and update versions)

[retrovintagevibesblog]

[nikb0mh6bl]

[aleppothemushroom]

Come the fuck on!

Now you're telling me the people that actually respect animation do crunch too?

[desmondkane-of-ao3-fame]

Inside Job didn’t just get canceled.

It had its first season split in two, a tactic animators said was used for Cuphead to let them pay staff less. Then, the show was renewed for a real second season.

And then the show was canceled before that second season anyway.

Final Space didn’t just get canceled on the most depressing cliffhanger ever. It was removed from all platforms before becoming a tax write-off, essentially meaning the only ways of really watching the show is through DVD or pirating.

The Owl House wasn’t just given a shortened third season. Disney, a company already known for a, let’s say, complicated relationship with its LGBT+ history, took a show created by a bisexual woman, filled with beloved LGBT+ characters, some of which were teenagers just like the audience, and told said creator to destroy her shows pacing so she could finish her story in just 3 45 minute specials.

I can go on about how Hollywood and television don’t respect animation and the like but this is endemic of a larger problem:

Capitalism destroys art.

The constant need for shows to be either the biggest thing in history or a complete failure, the constant need for a cash cow, leads to any show that doesn’t immediately become Squid Game or Stranger Things levels of popular, especially animated shows, getting scrapped for no reason other then it doesn’t make them enough money.

In our hyper capitalist hellscape, I worry we’re going to see more Inside Jobs, Final Spaces, and Owl Houses: shows made with love, that showcase potential, and dedicated fanbases, having a renewal reversed, or becoming a tax write off, or having its story rushed, so that the executives can save a few cents, while also fucking over employees.

I think that’s the part that always needs to be remembered too; the people behind these shows. Not just the creators or voice actors or well known animators, but everybody. As NewDeal4Animation illustrated, staffs on these shows are often underpaid and overworked. And to then, to not just lose a show you spent months, years of your life on out of nowhere, but to essentially lose a job… it’s terrifying. And every staff member, from the creators to the unpaid interns, deserves better.

So yea. That’s just my thoughts on the matter I guess.

[woomycritiques543]

TW: Long post, many caps, mentions of threats of violence and suicide.

As a sort of a "part 2" to my last post, I just wanted to get this out there... but I dont think that this is going to do much...

But it's worth a shot :(

The Vivziepop and her "favorites" at Spindlehorse have now verbally harassed people, spread bad faith to make people who critique a literal cartoon look bad. -and, as ive just noticed: have even threatened violence. I dont care what people throw at me for saying this-

VIVIENNE MEDRANO AND HER HEAD STAFF NEED TO STOP BULLYING THEIR OWN FANDOM! IT'S GETTING OUT OF HAND AND IS ACTUALLY HURTING PEOPLE!!!! THEY LITERALLY THREATENED TO HIT PEOPLE FOR SAYING THAT WHAT VIVIENNE IS DOING IS WRONG, SPREAD SLANDER ABOUT WHAT "*IS*" WORKER MISTREATMENT TO DENY WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND ARE ACTUALLY HARASSING PEOPLE! I DONT CARE ABOUT HOW "CUTE!" THEY TRIED TO MAKE THEIR THREATS TOWARDS THE EX SPINDLE ARTISTS LOOK TO GET PASSED TWITTER'S GUIDELINES- NONE OF THIS IS OK! BULLYING IS NEVER OK!

PEOPLE CRITIQUEING A CARTOON AREN'T THE PROBLEM- PEOPLE WHO HARASS OTHERS OVER IT ARE! THESE LITERAL CARTOON CHARACTERS ARE NOT FUCKING REAL! LET US HAVE OUR SAY AND LEAVE US ALONE!

STOP LETTING THIS SHIT HAPPEN! There is no "good type" of harassment and telling people that "its ok to harass someone just because you find them to be bad faith." is never ok! Telling someone that "you're not a writer if you dont like me!" or "you're a glass jawed mother fucker!" or "im going to get in an actual fist fight with you!" isnt just disagreeing- this is BULLYING! Krystal, the one who called the mistreatment and people "NEVER!" sleeping until late in the morning as a "humble" experince just because she worships Vivienne and even threatened to also hurt people!

I dont give a shit about what's "normal in the industry!" OVERWORKING PEOPLE INTO SLEEP DEPRAVATION AND CONSTANT STRESS IS NEVER OK AND NEITHER IS THREATENING TO HIT SOMEONE FOR SPEAKING OUT!

There is also someone followed by the creator of Lackadaisy, a creator who also follows Vivienne Medrano. -and im not sure if Tracy knows about how Vivienne is treating people, but good lord would it be horrific is she already did. I fucking hate how corperate the indie animation community is becoming. INDUSTRY "STANDARDS!" are literal mistreatment, people have been fighting those "standards" for years such as with #NewDeal4Animation and to say that a worker being treated like trash is "ok" just because you also working in the field also somehow means that your word is always "true" then you're are sick in the head and have no actual heart for the literal torture animators have even died from within the industry. -and then again with the "they're just angry which makes them a bad person!" bullshit, toxic positivity exists, there is such a thing as being "too positive" about something. Erin might have gotten some leeaway for HAVING A MENTAL DISORDER! -but that doesnt make all the mistreatment from all the rushed projects go away! It's a indie studio, that clearly isnt Disney level, doing 5+ episodes in a year- how the fuck is this even "normal!" for industry standards even if you talk about what Vivziepop actually did with Helluva Boss?! -and the way this person suggested that Erin was basically "lazy" for asking for more time since they were being rushed isn't just a horrible way to treat artists, but in full context, is ableist as all hell!

-and even then: With full context- What about the other artists working at Spindlehorse?! What about how they were treated?!

Hell, Erin didn't even get leeaway from their day to night job that they had to work under, meanwhile, Vivienne is able to afford to live in LA, vacations and all, while having her workers be overworked to give both her and her projects more money. Honestly- has the indie art community lost their fucking minds?! What the fuck happened to NOT being capitalistic about animation?! Why are we now encouraging this just because we're the "big dogs" now? "IF YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MY FREIND'S BEHAVIOR- IM GONNA BEAT YOU! IM GOING TO PULL YOU INTO THE STREET AND BEAT YOU FOR WHAT YOU SAID!" NIGGA WHAT THE FUCK?! WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND SAYS THIS?! -and who in their right mind, says that people are "slandering" or spreading "unbridled emotion" WHILE THREATENING TO TO FIGHT SOMEONE IN THE STREET!? 99% of it wasn't even a joke besides that one gif, Monica specifically said "LETS GET INTO AN ACTUAL FIST FIGHT!" on a serious post, who in their right mind talks like this in public?!

Monica and Krystal threatened TO HURT SOMEONE while "unbridled emotion! >:(" to Vicko is just "This person is bad."

Wow... I dont even know to how to describe how nonsensical this level of bootlicking this is.

At this point, Vick's is just eating the whole damn shoe!

Hell- Erin was mistreated so horribly, even with the slight leeaway, that they lost the will to create for an entire year due to mass burn out from mistreatment- and this is how you treat them?! Especially in an industry, where animators are now dying because of these so called "industry standards" taking over animation causing them to be worked into literal exasusation similar to what Krystal had described with how Spindlehorse "does not sleep"?! You actually think that this is all a "good thing!" for indie animation to become?! Does someone have to actually end up dying from how much they "don't sleep" and how many episodes they have to rush out to meet all your selfish demands while working day and night, in a constant state of stress, for you to realize how fucking bad this is?!

Because doing this shit has been known to KILL PEOPLE!

Rushing projects to the pont of making your artists overwork themselves into constant sleep depravation and stress can literally kill someone! -and if people dont stop encouraging this kind of karoshi-level work "ethics" in even the indie animation industry- the chances of someone actually dying if Spindlehorse's work patterns continue to spread towards other studios is much higher than you think! Overworking to the point of sleep depravation is something that has been known to actually kill people in the animation industry! So what Vicko is describing as "normal" has a high chance of actually causing someone to end up dying of mass stress and sleep depravation! If Vivienne doesn't stop doing this, there is a high chance that if this gets any worse that someone will end up actually dying in her studio. We are getting not just 4+ episodes in only two seasons, but most likely even more, while Spindlehorse is still being overworked to the bone so they can come out this fast. It's gotten that bad. Animation isn't easy, and by fact, overworking people to this extent has a high chance of killing them due to high amounts of stress and constantly being sleep deprived.

THIS BEHAVIOR COULD END UP ACTUALLY KILLING SOMEONE IF PEOPLE DONT STOP SUPPORTING OVERWORKING AND SLEEP DEPRAVATION IN THE ANIMATION INDUSTRY!

By stating this, Vick is implying that it's "normal" for people to be bullied, to be encouraged to mock other people's work in a bad faith way, to have an all nighter at Star Bucks despite literally working in a show that makes millions a month, that doing multiple episodes a year on a non-Disney team, and that being exploited for your work is "normal" for the industry. Because if you're one of the fans who actually GAVE A SHIT and read Erin Frost, Cas, and Squidder's whole receipts- that's exactly what they said what was happening! Bullying, mocking other projects (wow Viv... very not hypocritical of you to actually bully other projects but hate criticism...), and overall bad faith behavior that these people refused to acknowledge, let alone quote anything from thier posts since if they did, these people would have realized that they were spreading misinformation in a heartbeat!

So it wasn't even just "Vivziepop is a awful person" it was IN DEPTH descriptions, and later on, was visual evidence, screenshots, that they were bullied into sending for bait, and then bullied FOR sending by using the NDAS to get them "cancelled". -and even at the time, they had actual descriptions, and these people just slandered them and made claims about what "is and isnt mistreatment" without mentioning anything that actually happened from within the studio, so all of these "innocent till proven guilty unless you like Vivziepop" bullshit didn't even make sense back then either!

"Normal for industry standards!" ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!

Being overworked and sleep deprived, possibly to near death to the point of not having the ability to draw anymore, and to be bullied in your own studio is "normal" work conditions to you Vick?

WHAT THE FUCK?!

If this is the "grand future of indie animation" then im sorry but with all of this capitalistic, mistreating, "monopolize, capitalize" bullshit I think it's safe to say that the indie animation industry is doomed to become like corperations and is therefore- fucked!

It's so fucking disgusting how these people claim that the ex workers were just "mad for being fired!" (slander) and that they had "no" proof despite what they were saying being actual descriptions of what happened while their statements were just "You're lying Viv is innocent!" and "I WILL FIGHT YOU!" but when proof was provided, they let their fandom bully them into locking their twitters as a way to silence them, went on to lie about everything being "under control and improving" but then announcing that 5+ episodes were being made this year- again! Further taking advantage of their workers by sucking every bit of creativity out of them as they can, and people saying nothing about it just because they want clout off of Viv and to bootlick her as much as humanly possible to do so.

They left someone unpaid for AN ENTIRE YEAR after telling them to do an art commision for an audition that they promised to pay them for. So if you still think that this is "normal industry standards!" after all this you are OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND! You're out of your fucking mind- for even thinking for a second that an artist should go without pay for their work. Artists deserve pay, all of them!

These people claim that cancel culture is "wrong" and that they dislike slander, but then will pull shit like "YOU'RE A GLASS JAWED MOTHER FUCKER!" to slander anyone who said that what Viv did was wrong, Vivienne slandering these people by saying that we're "NOT A WRITER!" for critiqueing her show in particular, and "I WILL FIGHT YOU IN THE STREET!" for saying that Vivienne needs to get her act together. This isnt mentally sound behavior, this shit has gone too far and the fact that someone could end up dying because of Vivenne's strive for "perfection" is genuinely terrifying!

WAKE UP!!!!

[marzi-pan]

I know there’s a couple people talking about what’s going on in the animation industry as a ‘boom and bust’ kinda deal, and I get that, but this doesn’t FEEL like a boom and a bust. This feels more like the reality and a warning of intentional ignoring of monopolies (and the harm they cause) and the disrespect of art and a creative trade. AI interests and other ‘tech is the future’ dudes are stealing and profiting off of artists’ trade. Whether that’s in monetary value or the value of craft. Big companies that solely relied on animation folks and exploited and cut corners to pay them less (newdeal4animation) during the pandemic and now are canceling their shows and laying them off, regardless of how popular the shows they created are or the award-attention they’ve received. My point is, there really doesn’t seem like a good reason for these studios to be offing shows like this. There is the streaming wars, but canceling content that would draw people in and raising the sub fee and adding ads doesn’t really make sense. This feels… deeper than that. This feels more like something that’s a part of what’s happening with creative crafts and capitalism as a whole. There is no respect for artists. Our craft is simply content to shove through a machine to make someone else money as fast as possible, and if we can’t do that then we’re irrelevant. This really isn’t new, I guess it just feels more telling maybe? Shows get cancelled all the time but this is really… disturbing. And it’s disturbing how little the entertainment industry seems to be interested in entertaining anyone anymore vs becoming a bank. I don’t know. There is a balance. This just isn’t it.

[safekeeperscosm]

I have so much respect for people who work in animation, not just the "creators". #newdeal4animation #productionstrong 🌠- Gary/Jules

what did we do to deserve them,,

[johan-the-unknown]

Rest in Peace, Cartoon Network Studios.

…pay your respects, if you will. 

[thebrisingamen]

Huh

Do you think the fact that we've had three movies, two of which are in years back to back that talk about unrealistic expectations placed upon the shoulders of children from their parents who also experienced it but come to terms with it in the end and learn to accept themselves and their children and deals with generational trauma says something?

[letswonderspirit]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfW1AnaClipVqr5Ur9AIZYgGRquOShhtM5Jtum9hIulf_8dGA/viewform

Animation is a labor. It’s tedious on the body and takes up a lot of physical time, it’s a skill that takes years to perfect into the industry standard, in an industry that’s constantly changing. Artist should be paid fairly and treated fairly.

Artists shouldn’t have to worry about injuring their bodies due to time constraints and impossible amounts of work, for a wage that doesn’t bring food on the table or medical care in the long run. Art is created in stable environments.

If you wanna help, sign this petition!

[weirdocartoongirl]

So here's the synopsis of the Ultimate Chaos movie:

Pretty much after the massacre of the CN city happened in the year of 2022 and disappearances of the victims all thanks to David Zaslav, the Purge Raiders with their army, it's up for Elaine Castro and Melly Magnet to stop them with the help of Jessica Flintridge.