#Zp’s talk

[zpxz]

Why I think jam/take/tomake/tomxjake/jom cannot workout(in general).

Their a light-switch couple except, they actually broke-up(officially?..) in the recent episode..

I don’t HATE Tom or Jake, yes they have their own struggles, yes they said they were gonna talk to eachother in needs of help, but episode 10 literally broke me.

I myself, the person who is saying this, a tomjake shipper. But although it’s at the seems of canon(their most likely going to be canon in the end) Jake is seemingly always falling for fiore’s and alec’s traps.

Tom is.. ok.. but he’s not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.( even tho bro’s got mortal combat skills he’s not the first person to think of in need of comfort. )

Anddd finally.. I actually have to blame the writers for screwing jam up. Like they could’ve kept going with the jam stuff till ATLEAST episode 12 if they hadn’t agreed to make Ellie go with alec&fiore, but I gotta say that breakup was.. something.

[robinsonjnicks]

So, I know when we last spoke it wasn't the best time, but I also wanted to say - I'd never try and come between you and Nicholas. However, if you need an ear, I'm here for you as much as him. [ @therestayzakhar ]

[elordijacobs]

How'd New Years go for you, old pal? [ @therestayzakhar ]

[hathawaysanne]

You can't hide from me forever, Taylor. How about we hang some while on this trip together? [ @therestayzakhar ]

[prismatoxic]

loving the timeline i got to witness of:

-yahtzee reviews a game on zero punctuation -in the course of the script he finds a reason to bring up ayn rand/atlus shrugged, mostly as a joke -brings up ayn rand again as the closing punchline -final credits message is "bioshock was a good game wasn't it" -one day later the escapist uploads a new extra punctuation about why bioshock's opening is amazing

did you get bioshock on the brain by any chance, mr. croshaw?

idk what his schedule of making ZP/EP looks like, though i do suspect that EP might possibly be visually edited by someone else? i'm like 99% sure yahtz still does ZP by himself except to pass it by matt the editor for notes on where he should maybe swear less, but EP is kind of visually different (despite using yahtzee's art still) so maybe he just reads his script and lets matt do the visuals? idk. the man's busy he puts out 2 videos like every week, i wouldn't blame him

regardless, my point is that idk where in the process he decided to make an EP on bioshock, but the idea of him writing the sea of stars script, thinking about ayn rand a little too hard, and getting on a bioshock kick because of it is pretty damn funny

if he addresses this in the bioshock video i'm going to feel very silly but i was just taking a food + youtube break so i only watched the sea of stars review for now

[nichtimhandelerhaeltlich]

I also want a pink cart

[zpxz]

HELP I REALIZED PUFFS A LITTLE SHORTER THAN BLOSSOM.. SHES 24-5 AND HES 26 PLUS HES CANONLY 6’2

I mean not complaining tho.

[treesah]

Not to be a Catholic about anything, but I wish bands I like would do individual and group therapy and figure out a way to stay together and keep making music I like instead of splitting up over “irreconcilable personal and artistic differences.”

My parents should definitely get divorced and/or murder each other though

[robinsonjnicks]

PRIVATE: Not sure this will go well, but, hey. I promise, me and Nicholas are just friends, nothing more. [ @therestayzakhar ]

[showtoonzfan]

I don't know if this is a hot take, but I feel like Viv only likes her characters on a surface level. Like every time she talks about how she loves her characters and their backstories I'm just like "Do you really though?" because every time Helluva has massive plot contradictions and character retcons, it gets harder and harder to really define what these characters' goals and storylines really are(ironic since that seems to be the same critique Viv got when ZP was running). It makes it seems like characters and stories happen because it needs to happen because without it there isn't an actual story.

Rereading through the Millie thread, you can feel her struggle to list any interesting traits that aren't just surface-level things we already know. The fact she kinda went all "you guys just want to give her a sad and tragic backstory" makes me feel like she admitted that the only way she can make characters more interesting is to give them a sad backstory about how they were mistreated when they were a kid because that's exactly what she did for Blitzo, Moxxie, and Stolas. It's that kind of thing that makes me groan about Hazbin's whole "redemption" plot because it's just going to reveal more of her personal character bias and poor character writing.

I can feel your pain, I remember when Viv said Octavia and Millie were personal favorites of her and I laughed aloud. However, at the end of the day, it’s not that I don’t believe Viv doesn’t care about these characters. She clearly does, it’s just that she favors more than others. You can watch helluva and the Hazbin pilot and it’s obvious who her favorites are, she just puts more effort into writing some than others, but yeah, whenever she opens her mouth on twitter or mainly livestreams regarding this stuff, it is ironic and hilarious. She talks as if the show or her work is so deep and compelling and that she knows what she’s doing when….yeah she makes it VERY clear she doesn’t and is pulling stuff out of her ass, then takes to twitter and gets mad when people accuse her of not knowing anything despite her accidentally proving it constantly, having admitted TWICE now that the majority of what we’re seeing in Helluva wasn’t planned.

The Millie thread was a laughable desperate attempt to show people Millie has a personality and character traits, expect she constantly contradicts herself by saying things like how it’s difficult to write a newlywed couple since their attached to each other, and then literally admit that Moxxie still was able to have more to him outside of their relationship, then act like everything she said didn’t matter by pulling a “er…well it’s a male driven show so…”- like be for real girl LMAO. There’s a reason why the majority of her beloved male characters all have the same tragic daddy issue backstories but are painted to be good deep down and praise for it, while her female characters are either bitches or fan service with flat one note personalities, if you can even call them that lol. Hazbin is definitely fucked, I mean….if Viv can’t even call Hellborn characters out on their bullshit without excusing them constantly, what makes us think she’ll call out the characters that actually went to Hell for a reason? She’s just ganna excuse them all and baby them lol.

[hathawaysanne]

Message To 📱 Tay ZP

Anne: Don't come for me, Nick gave me your number. Hope it's cool. [ @therestayzakhar ]

[weaselbeaselpants]

For those curious, I don't got dirt or shit on VivziePop. As I've made clear before I followed her back in 2009 and I talked to her like on devintart and tumblr 1 or 2 times. No, I don't remember what was said between us really or exactly. The tumblr blog I remember hearing back from her is long dead so I have no receipts.

I kinda lost interest in her because her fanbase was way too intense and mean in 2014 (no idea about any of the Dollcreep drama), and because I was also in a soft antisjw phase myself then and reading BadWebcomicsWiki - I saw her being talked about all throughout the forums on that hellsite up and until 2017. I also saw the completely different forum posts made there about Hazbin at the time- which os of course how I learned about the Dollcreep fiasco, frootrollup1, and Angel Dust r@pe art someone did of Viv.

If you interested and/or curious about any personal anecdotes I can remember from the best of memory -these are NOT facts, though I'm happy if anyone else can back them up if u also have memories of this- I can list those out:

-I found Viv through her fanart first and specifically her fanart of Shane Acker's 9. I loved Viv's fanart- it was always so distinct in her own style but still recognizable. Anyone else in the 9 fandom remember that "design a beast" contest deviantart had? Yeah she took place in that. She also did artwork of the stitchpunks inspired by Kinkei's chibi-pinup style. They were not as sexy as that would have you believe. She did fanart for Rango, Adventure Time, Regular Show, Rio, and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. Also remember her begrudgingly liking Tangled after the fact because it wasn't 2D like Princess and the Frog was.

-The first time I saw Viv's characters in comic form it was in a comic where it was Halloween and the ZP gang (Zill, Kayla, Jack, Spam, and Vanex) were trick or treating and got stuck in some dark twisted version of their home. Isn't this the plot to the Invader Zim Halloween episode?

-Ickle!Viv was pretty skilled at drawing animals. Personally I think she still is but this was specifically the thing which stood out about her to me. I really love when she drew/draws animals. I also actually think her creatures look genuinely good, especially the dragon looking ones.

-Viv was ALWAYS so clamoring and adoring of her fandoms, especially animated stuff. Even on deviantart, animation fans are cynical and snarky so it was nice to see someone with their own established style be into movies that other people would mock you for as a teenager or god forbid an adult. Didn't make you feel so alone.

-I saw Viv's ZP gang develop in style from 2009-2013 and I gotta say I liked her og cast so much more when they were teenytiny and children. Zill just looked better then.

-Speaking of Zill, before I saw one of her posts getting mad at people who called Zill a "neopet"...I said her style reminded me of neopets. I was 12! I didn't know and also I hadn't gotten to that one doodle in her gallery at the time where Zill and 2009!Viv were cursing out this blob for calling him that.

-I also personally saw Alastor develop from out of those days, or at least the character who would become Alastor. It was the red black, buck-looking deer from 2006-2008ish who's disc Viv said was "the evilest character in all of zoophobia!!" I know she liked the directtovideo disney sequels and really liked Bambi II. I'm not convinced Alastor and Autumn don't exist souley because of Bambi II.

-I have no proof of it happening on my end because I ended up deleting a shit ton of crap on my old deviantart out of embarrassment and I think Viv deleted her posts about it. But a distinctly remember an artist in around 2011/2012 w I was really into art trades did a trade with me where they drew my 9 oc, in spite of us really not connecting in any particular way or being 'close'. They worked in traditional medium and had he/him pronouns and their art was so obviously inspired from Viv's. It wasn't traced, though- just very Viv-inspired.

I remember watching Viv and also that guy when suddenly Viv and Faustisee made a huge callout graph showing the artstyle and characters that had been stolen from her and she showed that guy's work. I also distinctly remember saying in Viv's journal abt the callout something along the lines of "this is bad, but, this guy is a friend of mine [rlly barely mutuals], he didn't mean it". To which Viv replied with something like: "then tell ur friend that what he's doing is bad >:c". So I did and that's when he told me he'd been told enough by her base how to feel and that he was leaving dA. And he left. and nuked his entire gallery, including his part of art trade, which made finding the proof of this encounter even harder to track down. Because he was no longer there, I deleted the piece I did for him as part of my mass embarrassment deletion.

-There was one other encounter I had personally' with Viv that I do remember and it's only because she was actually friendly to me and I liked that coming from my what was, at the time, a fav artist: I like the 2012 Frankenweenie remake and was really incensed back in the day that people weren't liking it because it is a ymmv-case. One of those people happened to be Viv and I def remember messaging her about how "I disagree with you, hmf" and then having INSTANT REGRET and suddenly spamming her with this way too personal "I'm sorry please don't hate me"-ventrant thing and, for all I know the Viv stans can be overly apologetic, I really do think it was my indiagnosed OCD/ADHD talking there. Anyway, what was sweet of her to do even in a passing way was she was all "it's okay. you didn't upset me but lol yeah ur not changing my take on frankenweenie either".

Viv describes herself as "being everyone's friend" and really- where there are a lot of points now that I don't think she cares if she is, most of the time I think the problem is she doesn't know how mean or backhanded she is. She really does strike me as the kind of person who never grew out of 2000s-2010s highschool and that petty thing were you get angry and lash out at others behind their backs but then sweet up after that, and where you think lovebombing = being genuinely appreciative. And yeah, that's still abusive and volatile. Because, and this is all from a decade ago and an antidote I only recall because it was Viv, but I truly didn't get the feeling that Viv thought I was beneath her or that she was trying to own me buy telling me she didn't like the movie I did. The vibe I got from her was "I don't really care about this but also I don't want you freaking out, calm down".

I rb a bunch of critical stuff (still don't like antiHazbin shit) because, and I still mean this, I do still genuinely like her style and wish I could be in her fandom w/o her stans basically gatekeeping me from being my own fan. I really am disappointed as the fan I am that Viv doesn't take better care of herself, her shows or the people working for her.

[zpxz]

No joke bc like the tomxjake pic I ibispainted yesterday took me 2hours n 2mins

[thesmallmeggles]

Two weeks ago, caelumcxiv on R/Hi-Fi Rush posted screenshots of Zanzo's office taken with help of a camera mod. While I'm unsure if I can repost the images here, (I don't have any way to contact Caelum), I did want to talk about them. So here we go! Text incoming.

The first image is a closer look at the couch. In addition to revealing the full pose and intense expression of the body pillow image, Zanzo has his top secret Vandelay reports in plain sight. *Sigh...* Maybe Zanzo thinks hiding things in plain sight is a good strategy, but still.

The second and third images are closer looks at the book stacks. There's a Weekly Vandelay Comic issue featuring a story called Karate Dragon. ("Defeat The Enemies!") A Vandelay branded video game strategy guide ("You can clear this video game!!") - its cover shows a knight fighting a dark shadowy figure under a lightning filled sky and surrounded by fire. (A project from the now defunct Vandelay Game studios?) A Men's Fashion Magazine which is, you guessed it, also Vandelay branded. Beneath it is what I assume is another comic book called M-Y (Monkey? Mercy? Muscly? Mighty? Mayday? IDK) KAR.

It's difficult to see what the other books/magazines in the stack are because they're covered but there are some more comics. I can see a Vandelay logo magenta and white cover under Karate Dragon. Under Strategy Guide is COMIC, another M-Y KAR, and a book titled "M- F or E-". There's a strategy guide on the stack next to the men's fashion magazine. Are all of these individually textured like the vending machine drinks? 🤔

All of the cover models appear to be robots. The one on Karate Dragon looks similar to Ryuu from Street Fighter. Fashion model has slicked down hair, round purple glasses, a yellow jacket over a red turtleneck and green pants. (I'm picturing Zanzo dressed like that in my mind's eye. ✨)

Vandelay Technologies sure has their thumb in a lot of pies. I'm inclined to think this is Kale era exclusive. But we don't know for sure. 🤷‍♀️

Fifth image is a close up on the taped up papers. The top row is concept art and calculations for the ZP-1500 (that giant robot boss from Chapter 11).

Points of Interest Left-Right: First equation sheet. Zanzo is aware of the laser arm elbow joint stability. Sticky note I can't read. (I or / something h-e? Here?) Head of the Robot with parts labelled. "Light", "Eye", "Ear". The jaw is denoted as "Joe". (Out of universe, it's probably the artist's signature. In universe, Zanzo might have had a brain fizzle moment.) "20 × (5-x^2)=??" That doodle of a robot getting fried by a laser. "Huge!" written on sticky note. The laser has a 30 degree angle blast field. Second equation sheet. "Zanzo's Perfect Robot" and another labeled drawing - this one full body. Back "Booster", "Laser" arm, central "Core".

ZP-1500 apparently has an "eject" feature in the pelvic area. (Written in blue, harder to read.) Let's not speculate on that. 😅 (Developer/Designer Joke?)

The finance section of the Vandelay News is part of this paper collection. Roquefort's portrait is scribbled out. There's also a graph next to a Research Result paragraph. "Tampered" is written over the graph.

The sixth and final picture Caelum shared is a front facing perspective of raised brow Chai and serious Peppermint at Zanzo's computer. Cool. 👍

[clinesmaddie]

So, me, you, Sabrina and Nicky all matching and hanging is my new favorite thing. Also, please let's all enjoy the Magic Kingdom together. We're going to just have the best time. [ @therestayzakhar ]

[spidersonicbatl0]

My response to daily zoophobia thread about me and nobody zoophobia

First off, what I meant by “yes I know some of these are real” is that some characters like Damian are canon lgbt characters. Should’ve has word it better.

Nobody thought I believe in some of these Headcannons. So her reply was aim at me, not you dailyZP

When I say ‘I’m leaving the fandom’ I was angry because aimlovesmusic finally block and she (I don’t know if gender fluid people use all pronouns for male, female and nonbinary. So correct me if I wrong) was the only I could still talk to and the fandom hated me for what I said about tdd. I got this account to interact with people in this community, so I Ieft out of angry and came back a few days after I calm down.

Also tally the post daily zp is referring was criticized them for use Headcannons when ask what they favorite lgbt characters is! So I not attacking people Headcannons (btw I like aimlovesmusic zoophobia ngau and Tom is trans in that)

I didn’t notice that I put ink in hard smash till I post it (she need therapy more than to lose her v card) and I didn’t know kestral is underage. Also why waiting for someone to turn 18 to have sex is pedophila?