#helluva critical

[masonteagan]

It's kind of ironic that they sell more merch of 2 side characters at Hot Topic than Moxxie and Millie who are supposed to be one of the main leads.

[officeobject]

If Beelzebub is so good, why the heck did she use the scariest form she has, on someone who insulted her? And like, she goes to parties, she's the one in charge of Hellhound pounds, she is the one who has lived for longer, so like, shouldn't she have heard so many different insults by now, and had much more "thick skin", as people say (and as much as I hate that as a concept)? And like, I seriously mean the "good" sin, used her scariest most powerful form, that she only has because of her power and status, VS someone whose past she was responsible for, who happens to be at the lowest rank and using her default form, all because she disobeyed and insulted her, at a party ...

AND THEN SHE WAS LIKE "oops, sorry, didn't wanna get a lil' mad, it's fine, right?! Anyways, let's DANCE!"

Like ... WHAT?

[toestychonk]

I love how Vivzie always says she care about suicide but then BOTH her shows are littered with suicide jokes and even plotlines (looking at you C.H.E.R.U.B). Like, girl. Just admit you either don't give a fuck at all or you only give a fuck when it's convenient for you.

I think that would be far more respectable instead of this performative shit. Like if you care that much like you say you do, get a fucking sensitivity reader/viewer, get better at writing jokes that are accessible to everyone, or please, please shut the fuck up. You're making yourself look worse with each argument.

Also, sensitivity readers/viewers are incredibly important and the sheer amount of controversies from her shows along is very telling that she/her team just doesn't have one and they don't care to get one.

[fortunelowtier]

Ok so i saw a post mentioning how Spindlehorse was hiring animators again, and i thought "huh yknow im really curious what the turnover rate of animators is in this studio" because i mean its a genuine question considering how i swear theyre hiring new animators every other week

So then i checked IMDB...

Before i go on i wanna put some context because its kinda needed for what im about to say:

On IMDB there's a section of the cast and crew page labeled "Series Animation Department". This is the section meant primarily for animators and storyboarders among other jobs in the same vein.

Now. Can you guess how many animators/storyboarders Helluva Boss has gone through in less than 2 seasons?

444.

That is four hundred and forty-four individual credits, a majority of whom didn't stay for any longer than a few episodes. I have never in my life seen an animator turnover rate this skewed.

But i saw this and i went "well it cant be that bad right, what about other shows?" because admittedly i didnt know a lot about animation so for all i knew this was normal. So i went to the IMDB pages of other animated shows

RWBY: 164 credited animators over 9 seasons

Murder Drones: 11 Animators over 7 episodes

The Owl House: 88 Animators over 3 seasons

Amphibia: 73 over 3 seasons

Steven Universe: 44 over 5 seasons

And just to be fair let's include Hazbin Hotel, which had 62 in 1 season

This means that for one reason or another Helluva Boss has gone through more animators in less than 2 seasons than shows that ran for SIGNIFICANTLY longer go through in their entire lifespan by several times and that astounds me

[xnixnbvg]

Fuck you, Valentino is getting grounded grounded grounded for everything.

[66kenobi66]

Here's some good Hazbin/Helluva critical videos I've seen (since it's so hard to find good ones on YT)

(Both are by GalXE!)

(Left one is by HezuReviews, right is by Autistic Swag!)

(Both are by Madeline Maye!)

(Both are by Cassidy Whiskey!)

Please go check these people out, all of them are extremely talented. Some of them even shared some insight and clever criticism into this series that I hadn't even thought of! (I especially like the Madeline Mayne ones as they poke into how both HB and HH fail at their queer representation.)

[nana--lover]

Hazbin Hotel hate

Bee and Puppycat is better adult animation than Hazbin hotel and Helluva boss. I said it. like compare all of the pilots to HH and HB like, the care put into bee and puppycat for shows made and published on Youtube before Netflix picked the show up. obviously Netflix polished up the story and animation from 2017, and took some liberties. The character development and arcs are so beautiful. I don't hate you if you like hazbin hotel or vivzies work, but you can't pretend like the show isn't problematic in it's own accord.

[helluvabossrewrite45]

I'm so proud of her. Cut him out of your life Octavia. It's for the best.

[carto0ncritter]

You know what’s the downside of being an anti, not getting enough sunlight.

I wouldn’t say this under anon unless it didn’t mean my notifications being stained

If only sunlight cured bad takes.

In all seriousness though, It's always been funny to me how some think antis are these terminally online people who don't touch grass, just hating and hating all they long. FYI, I *do* have a life outside of Tumblr. That's exactly why I don't post every day.

Next time, try not to hide behind anon if you can't handle a reply, k?

[nutella4658]

I've commented this on yt but i'm gonna post it here too

it's about the way that Paimon treats his butler, even though he's supposedly a "shitty elitist father"

​ yk that part where Paimon says he doesn't want to "smell the poor"? There's a bleacher exclusive for Goetias and one for imps. Instead of the butler staying with the rest of the imps, maybe stretching his arm to keep Paimon's mirror away from them... he's there, in the Goetia bleacher with Stolas, not to mention that Paimon doesn't seem to care.

Now compare this to how Stella and Stolas treat their butler (I think his name is Pringles i'm not sure)

Ye, I understand that Stella is the irredeemable one of the relationship, and that's why she acts that way... but why does Stolas also treats him like trash? Not even Paimon did that dude. (Now I wonder if they'll bring Paimon back someday just to make him even more shitty and maybe retcon that bleacher scene)

[floral-cavern]

I swear, this newest episode of Helluva is just the perfect example of how Viviziepop can’t let men face consequences. Millie was right, they have a job to do. The guy cheated, but it’s ok because he’s gay and he’s a man! Because suddenly Blitz has a moral compass about who to kill. And, of course, the woman who was the victim of the cheating had to be an absolute bitch who everyone hates. Because of fucking course.

[doodler16]

You know it's weird how they barely made any merch with Verosika and Vortex together despite Tex being Verosika's personal hellhound instead he's paired up with Bee just for the sake of shippers who barely buy merch of them together.

Honestly, it’s for the best that there is barely any merch of Verosika and Tex. Realistically who would buy it? People barely buy merchandise of Tex and Bee.

[floralcavern]

No. I refuse to believe that Vivziepop actually cares about SA victims. Every piece of evidence points to the contrary. 

CW for images that discuss or showcase rape. Tread cautiously.

First, let’s look at the Glitz and Glam Valentines merch. In this merch, they’re seen groping each other and making a scissoring pose.

The common excuse for this is that they’re just playing into those twincest tropes because that’s their whole brand in the show. But the merch exists outside of the show. This merch was not made in the show to show how the porn company will do any depraved fetish for a quick buck. This merch was made for people in the real world, people who have actual twincest fetishes. You can have merch of them playing into the fact that they’re twins without making it to where they are sexualizing one another like that.  An example of this trope done right are Hikaru and Kaoru from Ouran High School Host Club. These 2 often times play into the twincest trope for money, it’s their whole brand. But the show is very clear in showing us that this is not truly them. We never see them behave this way outside of work. Outside of work, they act like actual brothers. They’re doing it just for money. (And it’s also kind of trauma, but watch OHSHC if you want to see that in depth lol)

I was discussing something with my friend, how fiction does affect reality, since fiction is a direct byproduct of reality, which is why things like incest or age gap ships are inherently wrong. My friend (who is a big Hannibal fan) goes “I get where you’re coming from and I agree, but I’m also a simp for fictional cannibals.” And to that I said you are less likely to meet someone who is a cannibal or done that heinous crime than you are to find someone who’s a victim to incest abuse. It’s similar to how Vox doesn’t receive hate from the fandom for killing lower income workers, because that’s almost cartoonish in how bad it is.

Then there’s Val. The show is constantly fluctuating between him between a genuine, sinister threat and then him being a ridiculously silly evil man that we shouldn’t take seriously. I can almost understand what they’re going for, showing that he’s an absolute loser that we’re meant to point and laugh at, because he is a loser (fuck sexual abusers). However, there’s a huge disconnect. It’s jarring when you switch between the two on a dime. And I think part of the reason they do this is because of his relationship with Vox. Vox is meant to be a silly, goofy villain and so pairing him with the genuine sinister and disgusting version of Val that we all know and hate, it would feel weird. But here’s the thing. NONE of the Vees should feel cartoonish and stupid like this. They’re supposed to be perceived as actual threats, apparently. So, instead, make Vox genuinely sinister and evil too! ACKNOWLEDGE HIS CAMERA IN ANGEL’S DRESSING ROOM! ACKNOWLEDGE HIM MARKETING VAL’S DATE RAPE DRUG! Don’t add these background details if you’re not going to acknowledge that Vox is a predator as well. 

And then there’s Charlie, who has the power and authority to take Val down if she wanted to. But why doesn’t she? Because, in her words, “That would be so meaaaaan.” …I have nothing to say to that. 

And then there’s Angel. He is not deep in the slightest. They tried so hard but failed miserably. He’s supposedly from a mafia background. You would never know because he’s never seen outside of anything sexual. Sex jokes, comments on how he’s sexy, talking about how he’s a sex worker, all that jazz. He has nothing going for him outside of sex. Which is bad when his whole arc is meant to be how he hates being sexualized deep down! I understand that the show is trying to show us that he’s hypersexualizing himself because of his trauma. But this rings hollow when the show refuses to show us literally anything outside of him being sexual! Apparently, he likes to sing and dance. But you wouldn’t know that! (I know he sings, BUT EVERYONE SINGS. IT’S A MUSICAL. Even Vaggie sings when she clearly didn’t like it in the first episode, so Poison doesn’t count). You wouldn’t know anything about his interests because all he’s used for is for sex. It doesn’t help that literally almost all of his merch surrounds him being sexualized in some way, feeding into the idea of him hypersexualizing himself not being taken seriously. 

This is especially bad when you remember that when Viv was marketing the music video for Poison, THIS WOMAN MADE A CUM JOKE! Yknow, the music video all about sexual abuse? Ya, let’s make a stupid sex pun because that’s not tone deaf at all! Fuck you Viv.

And only certain characters get their sexual abuse shined on. But if you’re, say, Blitzo, Sir Pentious, or Husk, your SA experience is completely swept under the rug and ignored. Why? Well, because Blitzo and Husk are more masculine characters than her twinks who get acknowledged for their abuse. And Pentious is a character we’re supposed to be pointing and laughing at. 

And don’t even get me started on Raphielle. This person is a storyboard artist for the show, and the storyboard artist for Poison. AND THIS MOTHERFUCKER HAS A RAPE FETISH! I kid you not! This person has even drawn art of Angel being raped by Vox and Val. I refuse to believe Viv cares about abuse victims when she has someone like this on her pay roll (whom she actively defends, mind you). She even lied, saying that this person is a victim of sexual abuse, to which this person admitted was a LIE. 

Also, how she treats fans who are also victims of SA. Everytime someone comes forward, saying that they didn’t like the depiction of sexual abuse in the show, Viv will dogpile on them (the most famous example of this being Limus). But then if a fan who is a victim of SA praises the depiction, she will put them on a pedestal. This is tokenization at its finest!

And, hey, let’s talk about Viv’s catcalling comic, too!

In this comic, two women are being catcalled. One hates it and the other likes it, saying that it means they’re attractive. The one who hates it then starts yelling at the other girl and based on the framing of the scene, it feels we’re supposed to hate the first girl and think that the second girl was right. FUCK. THAT. This comic could’ve been such an interesting commentary on victim blaming and unhealthily coping with SA by justifying it to yourself. But no. That’s not what was done here. Great. 

EDIT:

I feel like this video is also appropriate to add here

This was her response to people’s criticism about how she handles SA in her shows. She dresses up as the rapist from her shows, flaunts around, and says he’s based on her. Classy.

[kynerdybird]

✨Oh Blitzy...✨

Thank you @GrimJimmy for working with me on this collab piece! I really love how these both turned out and came together❤️

[66kenobi66]

Shoutout to my girl Angel Gabby for being a better representation of Religion, Angels, and trauma than all of the Hellaverse!

She's literally me fr.

(Please go check out Angel Hare on the The East Patch Youtube channel!!!)