#adventchildren

[somebodys-nightmare]

[dutchdread]

"things won’t go well between Tifa and Cloud, even without Sephiroth", the most misrepresented quote in the LTD.

If you've spend any time looking into the LTD you'll probably have heard the claim that Nojima said that Cloud and Tifa were incompatible and that their problems have nothing to do with Sephiroth. This belief comes from a misunderstanding of the following quote.

“‘Episode Tifa’ … first off, there’s the premise that things won’t go well between Tifa and Cloud, and that even without Geostigma or Sephiroth this might be the same. I don’t really intend to go on about my views on love or marriage or family (laughs). After ACC, I guess Denzel and Marlene could help them work it out. Maybe things would have gone well with Aerith, but I think there is a great burden from Aerith."

~ Nojima

The meaning they're trying to take from the quote is that when Nojima says "without Sephiroth or Geostigma", that this refers to a scenario where Sephiroth had never existed. The implication being that the issues Tifa and Cloud are going through are internal, not external, and potentially even inherent to their natures. But what the actual "internal" problems they're facing are is never brought up, which is weird since this is rather important. What they want you to think is that the internal problems are either somehow inherent to them as a couple, aka, they're just not a good fit. Or else that the internal problem is "Cloud is in love with Aerith".

But the problem is that they don't provide evidence of any of this, and worse yet, we KNOW what the actual issues are. This quote isn't a mystery, we KNOW exactly what Nojima is referring to. This quote isn't a refutation to the Cloti telling of the story, like all pieces of evidence it supports Cloti perfectly but is simply unintentionally misunderstood or intentionally misrepresented. Before we go into the problems themselves though it's important to take a minute to notice something. Namely that inherent in the argument that "things aren't working out for Tifa and Cloud", is the idea that their relationship is one where 'working things out' is applicable as a concept. Much like getting a divorce is proof of marriage, using the fact that Cloud and Tifas relationship is going through a rough patch as evidence that they're not in a romantic relationship is....misguided. The next part of the quote makes this even more concrete: "I don’t really intend to go on about my views on love or marriage or family". So whenever people bring up Tifa and Clouds relationship troubles as evidence against Tifa and Cloud, please thank them for conceding that they're in a relationship.

So based on that, lets clearly lay out what is being asserted here in its most general form. The claim essentially has two parts. 1: "Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship, but it is troubled"

2: "The reason for these troubles is related to Aerith being the real love interest of the story"

Note that if they can't prove point 2, then this quote hard cements Cloti. The argument stands or falls on Clotis inability to address point 2.

So let's address it.

First lets address the "without Sephiroth or Geostigma" part. The interpretation that this is meant to be read as "if sephiroth was never born" is patently absurd. This is an interview about a very specific point in time in Cloud and Tifas life, which specifically points at a thing that happens in THAT point in time, namely Geostigma. He doesn't say something generic like "if Cloud and Tifa had never ran into hardships in their life they'd still be incompatible", no, he points at two specific things, Sephiroth and Geostigma. Geostigma we know is only a problem during the time of advent children, it's not a disease going back right through to Clouds childhood. Sephiroth is but he's also very specifically attacking Cloud DURING advent children, he returns DURING advent children. Clearly this quote is addressing the current events of Sephiroth and geostigma, aka, the movie, not the more generic impact that Sephiroth has had on Cloud and Tifas life since childhood. If that was meant to be the case he'd have said "sephiroth, jenova, and Shinra" or something else more chronically substantial. And what are the troubles they're going through? Well, luckily we don't have to guess, since that's been reiterated again and again and again and again. It's mentioned in games, it's mentioned in books, and it's mentioned in interviews.

"As long as Cloud blames himself for Aerith’s death, he won’t be able to move on with his life. One of the first ideas we had for Advent Children was to have Cloud overcome and resolve that immense feeling of guilt. For Cloud, no one other than Aerith can solve that problem for him." ~ pg. 58 of Reunion files.

Failing to protect people important to him is his sin… Convincing himself of this, Cloud shuts himself off. What does his meeting with Aerith bring him? ~ Cloud Strife profile 10th AU

Two years after returning to the planet, Aerith still lives on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet. And in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to having being unable protect those dear to him, ~ Aerith Gainsborough 10th AU profile.

Cloud feels an incredible sense of guilt for not being able to save her, but sometimes he can still hear her voice in a soft whisper. ~ (Reunion Files, Aerith’s profile)

Zack&Aerith For Cloud, they were people whom he can never forget. The two irreplaceable people, Zack, “who was sent to death because of him”, and Aerith, “who met a tragic fate as he couldn’t protect her” became “the unforgivable sin” in his heart. ~ ACC POST CARD BOOK.

“I’m going to live. I think that’s the only way I can be forgiven. All sorts of things… happened.” ~ Cloud in case of Tifa

"Cloud is scared that the peace he has now might shatter, so he is living on his own." ~ Nomura

Deep down, Cloud knew that he shouldn’t be so hard on himself, but at the same time he couldn’t let go of those feelings of guilt for what happened to Aerith and Zack, or the thought that he could never forgive himself for it. But then his companions made him feel better by telling him to let go. - Takahiro Sakurai (Cloud’s voice actor) pg. 15 reunion files.

"She knew that Cloud was in great pain because he couldn’t protect Aerith. Cloud was trying to overcome that and live on" ~ Case of Tifa.

The happier he is now, The more Cloud is tormented by painful “memories” of the past. ~ Cloud’s 10th AU profile.

The more he realizes how happy he is living with Tifa and the children, the more the fear of losing that and regrets toward the past trouble Cloud… ~ Cloud’s 10th AU profile

"when Cloud contracts Geostigma he disappears. Behind these actions lies feelings of guilt towards his past failure to protect people who were important to him, but through his battle with Kadaj’s gang, the legacy of Jenova, he regains the courage to face reality." ~ FF7 10th Anniversary Ultimania Cloud Strife Profile

"Cloud continued to regret the deaths of his best friend and comrade, who were dear to him, in FFVII. In AC, he says “I want to be forgiven.” ~ Dissidia Cloud’s profile

"Cloud’s heart continued to be tormented by a deep sense of regret and blame towards himself." ~ Cloud’s Dengeki profile

Aerith still lives on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet. And in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to having being unable protect those dear to him, she was a major factor in causing him to close himself off." ~ Aerith’s 10th anniversary profile.

“I want to be forgiven. Mm. More than anything.”-Cloud “By who?” ~ Aerith

“Isn’t it time you did the forgiving?” ~ Aerith to Cloud.

“But… I let you die…” ~ Cloud to Aerith

“I never blamed you. Not once, you came for me, that’s all that matter.” ~ Aerith to Cloud

“Are sins ever forgiven…?” ~ Cloud to Vincent

“I’m not fit to help anyone. Not my family. Not my friends. Nobody.” ~ Cloud to Tifa in ACC

You're too weak to save anyone, not even yourself ~ Sephiroth to Cloud in remake

"You've failed again I see" ~ Sephiroth to Cloud in remake

"It's just like, when I failed you" ~ Cloud in remake

Man, they sure love to go on and on about Cloud feeling guilty and wanting to be forgiven, about failing and feeling like he's not strong enough, that he can't protect anyone and that he'll fail again in the future....it's ALMOST as if Cloud has other things on his mind that don't have anything to do with his compatibility with Tifa and/or Aerith, it's ALMOST as if these things are central to his character arc. You could even say that these are troubles that have been with him for all his life and have been exasperated by the death of Zack and Aerith and his resulting fake persona. One could even say, that perhaps, just perhaps, CLOUD WOULD STILL HAVE STUFF TO DEAL WITH EVEN IF GEOSTIGMA AND SEPHIROTH HADN'T SHOWN UP IN ADVENT CHILDREN AND THIS IS NOT A GOD DAMN TEENAGE LOVE DRAMA! For the love of all that is holy, if you've ever used this quote to discredit Tifa and Cloud, STOP. Stop making this sorry excuse of a "point", stop linking this quote and thinking it supports Clerith, it doesn't, this is insanity, you are demented. So based on everything I've said, here Is Nojimas quote again, paraphrased by me to steelman its meaning. "Cloud is going through an internal arc, his problems are not just finding a cure for his disease and stopping the remnants and Sephiroth, his real fight is internal, he has to forgive himself".

The quote has nothing to do with Nojima trying to disprove Cloti, and only the most fanatically misguided shippers would ever think otherwise. Shippers are often accused of making everything about romance and when it comes to Cleriths they are right. The idea that Nojima here is just looking at FFVII as a romance story, rather than him addressing the specific events that happen in ACC and OTWAS is childish to the extreme. Cleriths thinking that this quote does them favors only serves as more proof that they simply don't know what they're talking about, this is a childs interpretation of storytelling and anyone agreeing with it should feel a deep sense of shame concerning their own lack of comprehensive reading skills.

[vitinho2004]

FINAL FANTASY 2000 AMV- IT'S MY TURN TO FLY

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[spiritgamer26]

[CP] FF7 ADVENT CHILDREN COMPLETE enfin au cinéma

Suite au lancement de FINAL FANTASY™ VII REBIRTH le 29 février 2024, SQUARE ENIX® et CGR Events, en association avec Sony Pictures et Park Circus, ont le plaisir d’annoncer que FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN COMPLETE, la version longue du film culte en images de synthèse se déroulant après les événements de FINAL FANTASY VII, bénéficiera pour la première fois d’une sortie dans les salles françaises les 16 et 17 mars en VOSTFR.Les places seront mises en ventes à partir du 1er mars à 16 heures auprès de plus de 100 cinémas dans toute la France. Pour retrouver la liste complète des cinémas participants, rendez-vous sur le site de CGR Events (la liste des cinémas est sujette à modification) : https://www.cgrevents.com/programmation/levenement-final-fantasy-vii-advent-children-complete

Grâce à cette ressortie exceptionnelle, le public pourra découvrir la version longue pour la première fois au cinéma dans des conditions optimales. Nous invitons les fans à arriver à temps pour la séance afin de profiter d’un contenu vidéo inédit, proposant notamment des interviews avec les créateurs :- Tetsuya Nomura : réalisateur de FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN et directeur créatif de FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE et FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH - Naoki Hamaguchi : réalisateur de FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH - Yoshinori Kitase : producteur de FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH, de FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN et réalisateur du jeu FINAL FANTASY VII originalCes derniers reviendront sur l’histoire de FINAL FANTASY VII, son lien à FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN, et vous partageront les coulisses de la création de FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH et plus largement du projet de remake.Enrichi de 26 minutes supplémentaires par rapport à la version cinéma et offrant des scènes retravaillées avec des visuels améliorés, FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN COMPLETE poursuit l’histoire racontée dans le jeu à succès FINAL FANTASY VII. Deux ans ont passé depuis l’effondrement de Midgar, témoignage des sacrifices nécessaires afin de ramener la paix. Néanmoins, le monde ne va pas tarder à devoir faire face à une nouvelle menace : une mystérieuse maladie se répand à une vitesse vertigineuse. De vieux ennemis refont leur apparition et Cloud Strife, qui avait abandonné sa vie de héros pour se retirer du monde, doit de nouveau intervenir.

Une projection cinéma exceptionnelle de FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN COMPLETE

Cette projection cinéma exceptionnelle de FINAL FANTASY VII: ADVENT CHILDREN COMPLETE fait suite à la sortie de FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH, lauréat du prix du « Jeu le plus attendu » de 2024 lors des Game Awards, disponible depuis le 29 février 2024 en exclusivité sur PlayStation®5 (PS5®). Cette nouvelle histoire indépendante, qui a reçu les louanges de la critique internationale, emmène les joueurs aux quatre coins d'une immense planète pleine de vie. Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Aerith et Red XIII fuient la cité dystopique de Midgar et explorent le vaste monde. À la poursuite de Séphiroth, un être tout droit surgi du passé de Cloud et déterminé à contrôler le monde, ces héros inattendus joignent leurs forces à celles de nouveaux compagnons comme Yuffie, la vaillante shinobi, et Cait Sith, un chat robotique moqueur. Les joueurs vont contrôler ces personnages au combat pour défier le destin, explorer des lieux bien connus, désormais plus détaillés que jamais, profiter de dizaines d'heures de contenu annexe, de missions de chasse et de mini-jeux, et découvrir la riche histoire des différents peuples et cultures de la planète.FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH est la suite de FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE, le premier volet de la trilogie sorti en 2020 et encensé dans le monde entier, aussi bien par les fans que par la critique. FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE a reçu plus de 20 scores parfaits de la part des médias et a été inclus dans la sélection de la rédaction de PlayStation®. Il est également le jeu au format numérique le mieux vendu sur la plateforme PlayStation® de l'histoire de SQUARE ENIX, avec plus de sept millions d'unités écoulées tous formats confondus depuis sa sortie.FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH est disponible exclusivement sur PS5® depuis le 29 février 2024. Le titre a été classifié PEGI 16. De plus amples informations sont disponibles sur : https://ffvii.square-enix-games.com/fr/games/rebirthVersion : VOSTFR Durée de l’événement : 2h19 Read the full article

[enrageddivinebeast]

various guardian angels

[femvaylin]

I can’t believe I’m going to have to go through the sameeeee stupid lore speculation I went through in 2003 💀

[davejolina]

Day 8 | COUGHING UP A LUNG | exotic illness, “Definitely just a cold”

“Sir, why didn’t you tell m-“

“It’s nothing, Tseng. It’s just a cold.”

@tizzie-lizzie and I did some Tsengru and geostigma angst for your Friday.

Photos shot by @ questionable_cos (IG)

[the-enzyme]

I finished painting my Monst Savage Baby head sculpt over the weekend. I kind of f-ed up and didn’t do a mock up before I planned opening the eyes. I was certain I would love the eye-sculpt the head has as default, because I find the sculpt adorable. However, I didn’t think about how I am not into droopy, “precious moments” sort of eye-shapes. I find them incredibly cute, and love looking at the figures based on them, but I don’t own any because it’s not my cup of tea. I always, always do mock ups but this time I thought it would be okay if I didn’t and that was a major fail from me.

I had to rebuild a lot of the eye to get the shape I wanted. The sculpted eyes are super big, although they don’t seem to be, but mostly super tall and “droopy. Which again, is not my cup of tea. It’s all my fault of course, for sucking at life. I was contemplating just purchasing a new head (which I might do anyway), and starting again. Having said that, I hate being wasteful, so I just went and “fixed” the idiocy I committed. My Aves Apoxie clay is freaking old, and kind of no longer useable, but I am able to reconstitute it to a certain degree. I did a few mods on other heads successfully and even added nips to my Xinyiwawa bod, so I thought I was okay to use it. However, it is now creating clumps, while I’m mixing it and it’s hard to smooth things, Which is key (IMHO), to doing even, smoothly blended additive mods. I wasn’t able to create such a smooth transition between the rubber (Monst claims these are rubber, so...) and the clay, so I had to add a very thick eyeliner just to cover some of that not well blended surface. It’s not too noticeable IRL, but it bothers me and i hate it, to be completely honest. 

I once again don’t like being wasteful and Aves doesn’t sell smaller containers, so I don’t feel like getting another knowing I probably won’t be using it and it’s just going to age poorly. On the other hand, if I do get another head I would mod this one to be a closed eyed version of the same character, and I would then need new clay! Freaking dilemma of my life right now. Overall, I am happy with the way the head looks, I find it incredibly cute and love him very much as is. Even if it’s not what I would have done (the super thick eye-liner), had I not f-ed up in the first place. He is going to be my chubby baby version of Kadaj, so that’s why he is wearing ill fitting eyeballs I got for my custom Sephiroth MNM and Kadaj MNM heads a million years ago. There is another struggle right here too, getting eyes for him when DTS doesn’t do custom eyeball orders anymore (and I hate the thought of owning resin ones). T__T;;; 

I kind of want to try my Kadaj’s MNM wig on him, but I think despite how large this head looks, it might be too big on him.

[wolf117]

Big swords aren't just for Omnislashes and fighting baddies, it's for protecting those you love. Right, Cloud? Now go on and kiss the girl!

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[somebodys-nightmare]

Cloud and Tifa will always have each other

[topmousecomics]

Still in a video game illustration mood. Every so often I like to draw Sephiroth. Like follow share comment and enjoy. #drawing #illustration #sketch #pencils #sephiroth #finalfantasy7 #videogames #VideoGameArt #AdventChildren #CrisisCore #onewingedangel #Comics #ComicArt #FanArt #MakingArt #DrawEveryday #LoveWhatYouDo #QuickSketch #QuickDrawing #pencildrawing #pencilsketch #facestudy https://www.instagram.com/p/CR1-NKPsB6w/?utm_medium=tumblr

[vitinho2004]

FINAL FANTASY 2000 AMV NOT QUITE PARADISE

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[vincentsnow-art]

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My Kadaj cosplay for pass the brush video. (I will share the full version when I figure out where it can be posted/reformat it.) #kadaj #adventchildren #closetcosplay #transcosplayer #ftm #lgbt #finalfantasy #finalfantasy7 #goth #silverhair #passthebrushchallenge #ff7 #sephiroth #finalfantasyvillain #otaku #カダージュ #ファイナルファンタジー #コスプレーヤー (at Guam) https://www.instagram.com/p/CAaX4rwJAo9/?igshid=1tv1w2ijws8rd

[kidmachinate]

SOLDIER

"Don't worry...I was in SOLDIER"

Were you though? Were you really? Everyone knows the answer. So why talk about it? Because we live in two worlds. Reality and well...not reality. Let's call it Dreamland. It sounds more pleasant.

For a long time, Cloud Strife, one of the most popular characters in Final Fantasy and gaming as a whole, thought he was someone he isn't. Building up that image for so long it can become real easy to forget who you are. Who you really are. Without a label. I mean...in Cloud's case it is literally the entirety of his character. The missions he went on. The memories he had. It wasn't just about a title for him. It was the entirety of who he was. This is why Advent Children was so great...err...tolerable for fans. 

In Advent Children, you get to actually see Cloud embrace who he is without the illusion. He's still kinda standoffish and a dick at times but he's got a heart. He takes in orphans with Tifa and they run a damn courier service. That's amazing. True potential. Cloud also tends to be stubborn however because he tries to do things on his own from time to time. How I get that. However, only with the help of his friends, he becomes able to take out Bahamut SIN. 

We all want to do something in this life. Hopefully leave a legacy behind of sorts. We all try our best to hopefully...never...be a memory.

...y'all though this was over didn't you?

Can we seperate a man from his art? Is it possible that a man has to write or sing about something and do those same things in real life? Maybe they need to be the same in order to get respect. Or maybe we just shouldn't care. As a solider, you can take on whatever comes your way. You fight for honor. Sometimes you get so lost in the job and become a merciless killing machine that your forget who you were before you took the label or being a soldier. We've come back around to identity haven't we?

Knowing who you are is very important. How can someone fall in love with you if you don't even know who you are? They will meet someone you are not and then what? Can't be a solider through that mess. You're just done for. Be true to yourself, always.