#ahit discourse

[werehounded]

Can yall tag your posts about the gaiman drama with appropriate tags ffs

[an-incorrect-quote-in-time]

Hat Kid: Advice of the day, if you ever meet someone who calls Gatorade flavors the actual name of the flavor instead of just the color then they are a certified nerd.

Prince: Yeah but you have to specify, frost glacier or cool blue? You can’t just say blue because there’s more than one blue. Hat Kid: Blue and light blue, nice try nerd.

[howdyfriend]

@guardianscry this you?

Confession 134... Burger relic goes in the lab change my mind

[34saveme34]

btw the reason I pretended to not see when talking about the mxm fankid stuff was because when you try to explain ages in smg4 it becomes. really weird

weirdly dubious cuz like. as far as we know, 3 and 4 have the same age freeze thing Mario does, making them effectively immortal. but there was also stuff saying that's not true??? but then why is Mario perpetually 25 or so?? Idk it's just, really confusing???? and I hate getting into it

so when someone likes mxm I just try my best to ignore it. Even if I don't like it because of the way they are in the show, and how their relationship is seemingly handled. Also the fact that at some point Luke said he really doesn't like them together and I think we. should respect that if I'm being real.

no but what's worse is the whitewashing, like actually crazy- like it's one thing for the colours but the skin too???

I didn't mention it before, I actually barely know anything at all about AHIT so that's my excuse

like there's something SO insensitive about the idea of whitewashing a character in the name of a pairing you have. Like I'm sure he didn't need to choose a black character for this and yet-

BTW IDC =/= ENDORSE, I DON'T LIKE MXM IN ANY WAY AS I'VE SAID, IT'S JUST THE AGE DISCOURSE IS VERY TIRING WHEN YOU TRY TO SOLVE IT I JUST TRY NOT TO THINK ABOUT IT

[the-huxler]

heyo! u can call me Hux or Kammy.

-my second blog for shitposts and reblogs - chaotichellish cha0t1chell1sh. i mostly reblog from second blog. there is also my winx blog - sun4ndk1ss3s.

-my artfight - HuX -my bsky - the_huxler

-u can use my art as profile picture/background if u credit me.

-i don't care if u repost my art on pinterest if u credit me, cuz i don't use it anyway, but don't repost my art anywhere else.

-i read all of ur tags when u reblog my art💕 i'm very thankful for all the nice things people telling me.

-i'm cool with art trades and collabs if i'm not busy. u can send ideas/headcanons/suggestions for characters i'm drawing but i can't promise i will draw them. but i do like hearing people's thoughts!

-mostly sfw but sometimes i swear and draw bloody and creepy stuff but i try to put tw in tags. still be aware. i would not recommend this blog for anyone under 16 years.

-english is not my first language.

-dni: basic criteria like if u map/nomap/map-supporter, any anti-lgbtq+, transphobe/radfem, racist, zoophile, ableist, bodyshamer, nazi, xenophobe.

-also i see zim as a child and like zadr even if i don't draw them that much. i don't participate in age discourse, think what you want.

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[courtjesterrr]

Welcome, Welcome!!

Time to make an actual pinned post (medium post warning)

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[rfks-brain-worms]

Here is a dream I had about tumblr

there was this comic in black and ahite and there was like a group of basketball players talking to this one shorter guy, and one of them turned into a horse as the punch line but the artist sucked at horses so they had his front half crash through a wall so its only the horses back half.

but then it spiraled into discourse over the horses ass or something sayin the artist was a zoophile but the horse had a tail coverin its ass and there was debate on whether it even was a horse so people started rewriting the text and a entire new panel was added

[b4bym0d1ng]

My strawpage

Bigots & pro-contact harmful paraphiles choke and die.

F/Os: Captain Barnacles (Octonauts), Craig (South Park)*, Gir (Invader Zim), Husk (Hazbin Hotel)

Fictotypes: Bill Cipher (Gravity Falls), Kenny (South Park), The Prince/Snatcher (AHiT), Valentino (Hazbin Hotel), Zim (Invader Zim)

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*Post-covid. Not the 9yo.

[transfemzedaph]

Does the tma haterism come from being a mechs fan because if so. same

hdgsjdhs yeah a little bit. but also eh i was in the fandom from quite early on. the ace discourse was fucking horrififc and i kinda stopped losteneing for a while and ended up just getting fucking sick of seeing tma shit on my dash bc i was like So Over It & so i blocked all the tags and then like earlier this year i was like huh maybe ill unblock the tags but then. magnus protocol. so i blocked more tags instead. also really frustrates me that when people write hc/tma crossovers n ahit its not tagged with both fandoms in the fandom section on ao3 so they show up even though i have crossovers filtered out

[another-au-in-time]

Okaaayyyyy,, hopefully this will be the last time I post about this

So first off, I would like to apologize for my own ignorance and to the non-Subcon artists in the fandom for going off without actually knowing what I'm talking about or what all this discourse is actually about. I haven't been in the AHiT tags in, well over a year now, so I didn't know what was going on nor the scope of it. Basically, I was completely wrong and jumped straight to conclusions based off like. 3 or 4 posts I've seen floating around. That's entirely on me. It's cool if you forgive me or not, I'm not making this post for pity-me points

So, what this all seems to boil down to is non-Subcon content creators are frustrated with the disproportionate attention Subcon content receives, NOT because "Snatcher is too popular and I hate seeing him and if you like him you suck >:(" like I initially thought. Non-Subcon meaning AHiT content that doesn't have to do with Subcon (characters like Snatcher, Vanessa, Subconites, etc). And they're right, there is a fairly dramatic gap in between content that gets more likes and reblogs versus content that doesn't. Essentially, they are asking that if you see their work, regardless of the character that's in it, reblog it so other people can see it too, so we can foster a more equal distribution of content and attention for all characters and creators

Now, I'm gonna shoot myself in the foot here: realistically, in every fandom, there is more or less the same problem; for example, in Undertale, Sans is by far THE most popular character in comparison to literally anybody else, and Papyrus is only as popular by proxy. In the SCP fandom, I'd say an overwhelming majority favors 049 over any other SCP. In Pokemon, Charizard is so ridiculously popular Game Freak may as well make it the main mascot instead of Pikachu. And in A Hat in Time, the favored character by far happens to be Snatcher

I'm not trying to say "Oh, well it happens all the time so get over it!" I'm saying it does happen and it is frustrating. Personally, I can't stand Charizard. I wish some of my favorite Pokemon were more popular because they hardly get attention. Everybody sleeps on Gastrodon I swear…

But my point is, A Hat in Time's fandom is tiny in comparison to other fandoms. Are people obligated to reblog content they don't care for? Of course not. You can't make people like or reblog stuff they don't care for no matter how many posts you make about it. That is something we all need to come to terms with. The internet is fake, the Tumblr numbers are fake. It really isn't anything to be upset by. However, it can be and is upsetting when you pour your time and energy into a piece and it gets less than 20 notes. I like to hope the fandom is kind and will try to help out the smaller, less popular content creators by circulating their work when you see it. There are quite a lot of characters and even locations in AHiT that really get no opportunity to shine. That does come down to a matter of personal taste, but still. There are more characters and places than Snatcher and Subcon. It's a small community that I think should be helping itself out a lil bit

Like I said in my last post, Snatcher is my personal favorite because he's purple and evil. I like his design, I like his premise. I tend to favor villains as is, and I end up reblogging content for him the most because I like him the most. But I also get tired of seeing the same stuff for him, it gets bland. Sometimes I wanna see background characters. Just today I was thinking about Cooking Cat and Empress and wondered if there were any specific creators for them to follow. Yesterday I couldn't stop thinking about Tim's Friend. I still can't stop thinking about Tim's Friend

There are so many talented people in the AHiT fandom, and I feel like we should nurture that instead of being hostile and misconstruing stuff. I'm tired of the discourse, I'm sure everybody's tired of the discourse. I'm really really tired of the discourse

Tl;dr I was wrong and I'm sorry. Let's help out our smaller creators and less popular characters please and thank you. Nobody is trying to make you, but it would be very cool and awesome if you did : )

PS: there is nothing wrong with liking Snatcher. I want to make that clear. It's okay to not care for the other characters, just don't forget about our content creators who don't make Snatcher stuff

[lesbian-roguefort]

Stop spreading misinformation.

I’ve seen a lot of misinformation floating around my dash lately in regards to the recent Snatcher “discourse.” Particularly, @/snatchersnatched’s post makes blatantly false accusations against me and other people whose actions have sparked this “discourse” into action.

No one is “shitting on other people’s aus.” Poking fun at how absurdly popular something is is not harassment or “shitting on [it].” And absolutely none of us are being “rude” to content creators. Where the fuck did you get that? Is “ahit fandom when (no) has Snatcher” fucking harassment? Seriously? If you’re actually serious that a meme counts as harassment, I’m genuinely concerned.

Now, if there’s really been some quiet harassment going on that I somehow haven’t heard of, I agree; harassing popular artists just because they post Snatcher is absolutely immature and childish. I believe I speak for everyone when I say that harassment of content creators is, indeed, unacceptable. Except, from my knowledge, that’s not been going on. So maybe look a little deeper into the situation before you throw out blind accusations?

(If there really is harassment going on, please tell me. I don’t want to be associated with anyone who is harassing content creators.)

So then what event sparked everything, anyway? Clearly it was something huge and not just a huge over-exaggeration by the AHIT fandom, making straw men of people who want to see content other than Snatcher, right?

Except that’s exactly it.

Being on the other side of this “discourse,” I can tell you exactly what’s been happening. In fact, let me list it.

- Lighthearted fun has been poked at Snatcher’s popularity (see: the sans jokes)

- Jokes have been made about the absurd popularity of Snatcher in comparison to anything else (see: “ahit fandom when haves Snatcher”)

- Good points have been made about Snatcher’s absurdity in dominating the AHIT scene (see: all these posts)

And that’s it. Where you’re getting “malicious attacking of Snatcher as a character as well as those who are fans of them,” I have no clue.

Then what’s the point of it all, you may ask? Let me lay it out for you (since clearly my other posts about this haven’t been able to get the point across).

The point of this movement is not to get rid of and trash the popularity of the current Snatcher content and AUs, but to redirect the AHIT fandom’s priorities so that content creators are not discouraged from creating content other than Snatcher. Many artists and other content creators I know have spoken out about the only content of theirs getting notes being Snatcher. At surface level, this is understandable: everyone loves Snatcher! Of course the content is going to get notes.

But then you take a deeper look at the absurdly disproportionate note count between AHIT posts that are Snatcher and AHIT posts that are not.

Examples:

Bow Kid (24 notes) / Snatcher (553 notes) 

Cooking Cat (31 notes) + Nyakuza Cat (13 notes) / Snatcher (183 notes)

Alpine + Shapeshifter (126 notes) / Snatcher (707 notes)

Alpine + Alpine + Alpine (combined 38 notes) / Snatcher (319 notes)

Hat Kid (68 notes) / Hat Kid + Snatcher (452 notes)

Timmy (51 notes) / Snatcher + Prince (472 notes)

Mafia Boss (57 notes) / Snatcher (727 notes)

Alpine + Hat Kid (158 notes) / Snatcher (1,446 notes)

This is what we’re fighting against. Not the Snatcher content itself, but the disgustingly unequal treatment the AHIT fandom gives to posts that are not Snatcher.

Which takes me to why I’ve been putting “discourse” in quotation marks throughout this post.

Classifying this movement as “discourse” (a disagreement between two or more parties) (the “disagreement” being that people who post anything other than Snatcher shouldn’t be discouraged from creating content) tells me that you don’t care about people who don’t post Snatcher.

I know I’m not as large-and-in-charge as some other people who have made posts about this, but please, please listen to me. I honestly can’t stand seeing this misinformation on my dash anymore.

TL;DR: No one is “shitting on other people’s aus” or “harassing content creators,” and every post that claims something similar to that is false information. If there truly is harassment that I’ve been unaware of, I speak for everyone in this movement by saying such behavior is unacceptable. The purpose of this movement is not to kill the popularity of the current Snatcher content and AUs, but to redirect the AHIT fandom’s priorities so that content creators aren’t discouraged from creating content other than Snatcher.

[ID: A DNI-style banner with a galaxy background and two Hat Kids holding guns on either side of text in the center. The text reads, “This post must be read by all AHIT fans!” End ID.]

[hatconfessionbooth]

Confession 81... I’ve been in the AHIT fandom for several years now, and although I’m not as active in the community anymore, it still holds a special place in my heart. But… I’d be lying if I said the fandom discourse wasn’t always exhausting. From character hating, gatekeeping, shipping discourse, or just plain old fandom drama, it’s always been a mess. So what if you think Vanessa or any of the cut characters are cool? So what if Snatcher, Conductor, Empress or any of the other “overrated” characters happen to be your favorites? So what if people like to make found family, nice AUs, shipping content, or selfship scenarios? That’s completely valid! And if anyone doesn’t like it or wants to see different content? They can block tags, move on, and/or make that content for themselves. Life’s too short to let anyone tell you how to enjoy funny hat game ;3

[fedoraspooky]

GO OFF- i love subcon just as much as any other part of the game, tho i can agree its a little over rated it still doesnt mean that people have to talk badly about it and the fact that people make content for it. Moonjumper is a HUGE comfort character for me and seeing the people i look up to censor their name and talking about how tired they are of seeing him.. is not fun.

Ugh, yeah, you’re not the only one getting tired of the negativity. It was dragging me down before, not gonna lie, but when they brought my friend into it that was the last straw for me. But fuck it, I’m gonna go off again because all of this has been absolute bullshit:

Snatcher isn’t overrated. AHIT’s a TINY fandom, he isn’t completely inescapable like the onceler fandom. Most people on this site don’t even know who he is. Does he get a lot of art compared to the rest of the fandom? Yes. Does he get a lot of notes? Also yes. Know why? Because people like him. And people are capable of liking more than one character at a time!! Wow! But!! Sometimes people hyperfixate or have a special interest for just one character at a time as well, and that’s fine too!

Moonjumper isn’t overrated either, he’s not even canon for crying out loud! At least the other characters got screen time in the game, he got nothing! Most of the stuff of him is purely fan creation, so anyone who’s shitting on him is shitting all over the fans who breathe life into that character and come up with their own things for him.

Honestly? I’ve seen more people leaving this fandom because these sadsacks keep venting about not being popular enough in the main tags and bringing the mood down for everyone, than I’ve seen people leave because of anything else. People have legit been feeling guilty about LIKING THEIR FAVORITE CHARACTER because these people keep saying it’s an “actual problem” and “killing the fandom”. As if people making content is somehow destroying it, or doing actual harm to people???

They act like this is some big conspiracy of people PURPOSEFULLY and MALICIOUSLY not reblogging their pictures or some shit. People draw what they like to see. They like art that they like to see. And they reblog art that they want to share. It’s really that simple, nobody’s evilly wringing their hands together cackling and going “BWOHOHO I WILL NOT REBLOG THIS PICTURE OF A GOAT ON PURPOSE”.

I’ve seen people get sad about only getting ~50 notes (which is still a lot of people by the way just saying)-

I get it. It feels discouraging, I’ve been through that shit with dead fandoms and my OCs back before I made any comic stuff for them. My ocs are still not nearly as popular as my fandom stuff (but that’s okay, because I draw fandom stuff because I like it, not because it gets me notes or some shit.)

But many people can tell you that drawing Subcon characters is NOT a guarantee of notes, and even then, and most importantly- NOBODY owes reblogs to anyone, popular artist or not. Popular artists are PEOPLE, not a PLATFORM TO BOOST YOUR NUMBERS. If nobody’s supporting your friends, that’s for YOU to do. Bullying or guilting other people into it’s only going to create resentment for you, resentment for the characters you’re trying to promote, and sour the fandom for everyone.

Don’t wanna see certain characters? Block the tags for those characters. Too many blocked posts in the main tags? Follow the tags for the characters you do wanna see. AND instead of sitting around feeling sorry for yourself and literally saying a character has “toxic popularity” (what the fuck even is THAT) because more people like them- MAKE THE THINGS YOU WANNA SEE. SUPPORT OTHER PEOPLE MAKING THINGS YOU LIKE SO THEY MAKE MORE OF THOSE THINGS. FRIEND THEM ON DISCORD AND CHAT ABOUT YOUR FAVES THERE! IT’S NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

You don’t need an auditorium full of people to have fun!

And for the love of pete, STOP PUTTING YOUR HATE IN THE TAGS. I thought that shit was basic tumblr etiquette, but here we are!

If people think that a bunch of fans enjoying a funny evil noodle or a puppeteering moon zombie is THE WORST PROBLEM going on right now... Uhhhh, boy... do I have news for ‘em!

[sixxpy]

nhshshdhd okay so I know I don’t get a lot of attention on this site and that I’m barely active here when it comes to posting and reblogging but I just wanted to post here because everyday I scroll on this site and I saw the recent drama, so here’s a meme that’s basically my opinion on this thing. 

Ya don’t need to tell people to stop liking something/try focusing on something else, the fandom was perfectly FINE until this happened, to be honest. Those memes getting into main tags are the reason why everyone is so upset about posting snatcher content. 

[fire-bay]

Those few weird a hat in time posts I came across in the tags are something man (edited because i realized one point wasn’t good and needed to be re written)

You cant demand people to like a certain thing more or have something have less popularity since it's very popularity is linked to people genuinely liking and enjoying it. and you dont know how attached an individual is. 

 the sentiment of "this character is too popular” is already weird, already saw someone use the term “toxic popularity”, which is not a thing but okay.  and “people should support other artists with content they might not enjoy and it's bad for artists moral" is not a bad point, it is valid to feel like this, but people who tried to address the issue basically made a huge guilt trip saying its the fandom liking one character too much is the real issue..  trying to encourage people to reblog from other smaller artists is good but trying to convey the message by saying the ahit fandom focuses too much on one character is just, such a bad take. 

It's a nice sentiment to want more attention to underrated content. Then you go and support those artists instead of going the opposite direction, insisting one content is snubbing the other. a fandom is here for individuals to enjoy things, not some quota you have to fill, as harsh it may sound, no one is entitled to that you know.

[cherriiikat]

Btw regarding my last post!!!! If you're upset with the amount of content for a certain character, THAT IS 100000000% FINE

Just please do not mention specific aus or artists by name and put them in a bad or mocking light!!!! You can mention that you want to see more aus for specific characters- just please don't mention the aus or artists' specific names. Some people aren't exactly. nice. And if they see a specific name mentioned and they're angry about something,,,, they could VERY EASILY go and attack the creator.

People who are upset with the over-saturation of Subcon are not in the wrong! It's fair to want more recognition for other characters! The problem only really comes in when actual usernames and au names are mentioned- that only makes it so much easier for cyber-bullies to attack the artists.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO MENTIONED THEIR NAMES ARE TRYING TO SEND PEOPLE AFTER THEM. I AM JUST SAYING THAT IT COULD HAPPEN IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL!

Yes, while this fandom is mostly pretty nice, it's not 100% clean of bad people- no fandom is! And that's normal, there will always be bad eggs

TLDR; if you want to rant about aus having Snatcher often, don't make it easier for people to harass artists- just say "some aus" or "this one artist" or something like that! Please try to be vague to avoid harassment.