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[sayruq]

Can you see another GoT spin off be successful or what do you think might be a goodstoryline?

I think they should have started with the sequel if they were hell bent on making Snow. Then the prequels should have been set before the Targaryen Conquest because, thanks to the main series, we know how it all ends. Aegon I conquers 6 kingdoms and the Targs are overthrown so who cares about the outcome of the Dance? Regardless of who wins, their descendants will be sent into exile before dying out. In order to make the two eras work, you need strong characterisation and world building (which i doubt we will get because F&B is light on both and HBO chooses the wrong showrunners for these shows).

There's a reason why the only successful Star Wars prequel was the Prequel Trilogy (the Mandalorian isn't doing too hot rn) because

they involved characters the audience already knew

expanded the universe instead of just retreading the same grounds covered by the Original Trilogy

there was a lot of mystery about how the Empire came to exist

This is why I think Robert's Rebellion might not have a guaranteed chance of success because, while we know a lot of the characters involved, the main series basically solved the biggest mysteries of that era. Like, we got flashbacks from Aerys' death to Jon's parents. S1 also had the survivors of the war talking about the war.

HBO should have greenlit spinoffs that were different from GoT. The main series took off because it was good and there was nothing like it when it started airing. So the first spinoffs imo should have been set in the Age of Heroes or in Essos (Nymeria, YiTi, Braavos, Empire of Dawn, even Valyria). You expand the world of the franchise and you give people something new to watch.

HOTD is basically an inferior early seasons GoT with more dragons. That gets boring fast. That's why the ratings decreased in the second half, it wasn't just the cast changes (because out of the main characters only Alicent and Rhaenyra changed actors - Daemon, Criston, Otto, Corlys, Rhaenys, Viserys all kept the same actors). Aegon I's show will likely be an inferior version of s6 and s7 because at least those seasons had iconic characters like Cersei.

[lemonhemlock]

Any thoughts on what would happen if stannis was there during dance of dragons? Green or black? (I know he didn't have a great opinion on rhaenyra but if he lived during that time?)Do u think he would like any of them ? He cares about honor and stuff so i feel like if he can tolerate targs he would be a green. Also him and otto feels like they could be buds against daemon atleast to me.

Shireen was smart enough to realise that both of them egg and rhae were terrible. Do u think stannis would want to betroth his child to one of their teams?

Just weirdly thought of him since I agree with u that got starks and green/black targs won't really mesh well.

One more thing do you think any of got starks would like rhaenyra? Arya, jon, ned etc

The thing is, anon, Stannis already makes his opinion on Rhaenyra abundantly clear in the text; there is no reason for us to make guessing games.

"Rise, Ser Davos," Stannis commanded. "I have missed you, ser. I have need of good counsel, and you never gave me less. So tell me true—what is the penalty for treason?"

The word hung in the air. A frightful word, thought Davos. Was he being asked to condemn his cellmate? Or himself, perchance? Kings know the penalty for treason better than any man. "Treason?" he finally managed, weakly.

"What else would you call it, to deny your king and seek to steal his rightful throne. I ask you again—what is the penalty for treason under the law?"

Davos had no choice but to answer. "Death," he said. "The penalty is death, Your Grace."

"It has always been so. I am not . . . I am not a cruel man, Ser Davos. You know me. Have known me long. This is not my decree. It has always been so, since Aegon's day and before. Daemon Blackfyre, the brothers Toyne, the Vulture King, Grand Maester Hareth . . . traitors have always paid with their lives . . . even Rhaenyra Targaryen. She was daughter to one king and mother to two more, yet she died a traitor's death for trying to usurp her brother's crown. It is law. Law, Davos. Not cruelty."

"Yes, Your Grace." He does not speak of me. Davos felt a moment's pity for his cellmate down in the dark. He knew he should keep silent, but he was tired and sick of heart, and he heard himself say, "Sire, Lord Florent meant no treason." (A Storm of Swords, Davos IV)

Stannis is a legalist if there ever was one. He follows the letter of the law; that is why he spares Davos' life, but cuts off his fingers for being a smuggler. Rhaenyra is legally in the wrong here, so Stannis would never support her, since Aegon has the better claim in accordance with the laws of the time, King Viserys' whims notwithstanding. Stannis obviously doesn't interpret oaths taken before Aegon's birth as having legal value.

Furthermore, the second reason why Stannis would never support Rhaenyra is because she is trying to place her bastard children in the line of succession. Stannis' entire war for the Iron Throne is predicated on Cersei's children being bastards and, thus, very much not Robert's heirs. To think that Stannis would accept Jacaerys as King is preposterous.

Shireen was smart enough to realise that both of them egg and rhae were terrible.

Shireen, as sweet as she is, interprets the civil war through the lens of human suffering. However, the unfortunate practicalities warrant that one can't not choose a side, since someone has to occupy the hollow of the crown, as the very foundations of society demand it. Leadership vacuum leads to political instability leads to lawlessness and violent conflict. The breakdown of the state is never a peaceful time, as so many failed/fragile states in our own history have demonstrated. "Not choosing" would not spare Westeros from the suffering of its most disadvantaged.

This is a much more complicated discussion and people can choose to disagree with me on this but I personally and philosophically do not believe that societies can prosper outside of the social contract and for that you need a structure in place to enforce it. Call me a white bitch brainwashed by the European conceptualization of the state, if you want, but I'm not going to be suggesting that the answer to Westeros' problems is to transform overnight into an anarchical utopian society.

Therefore, IMO, an alternative universe in which neither Rhaenyra, nor Aegon make a play for the throne is a foolish scenario. When in history did that ever happen? When has that ever been believable in the slightest? So how do we make the transition of power if we do not follow the law? The answer is seizing the throne by conquest. If Rhaenyra wants it so much, she'd better come and get it with fire & blood.

All of this, of course, begs the question of how do we achieve a better, more egalitarian society, when the law clearly isn't the fairest it can be? Well, how did it happen in real life in the first place? The answer that nobody wants to hear is through incremental progress, slowly, with difficulty and constant struggle.

Do u think stannis would want to betroth his child to one of their teams?

IMO if Stannis would have been Lord of Storm's End during the Dance, he'd probably accept Aemond's betrothal to Shireen.

One more thing do you think any of got starks would like rhaenyra? Arya, jon, ned etc

Rhaenyra's rule is predicated on a dozen norm-transgressions, so no. :))

[goodqueenaly]

Do you think that Rhaenyra's children were definitely Harwin Strong's kids? It... seems like a bit of a rookie mistake on her part if all her kids were illegitimate, considering her claim to the throne was already being threatened. Though, obviously the situation was probably more complicated, as it was up to Leanor as well, and we don't really know what their relationship was like. (TBC)

(Continuation) Of course, it couldn't have been proven a 100%. Eddard Stark and Jon Arryn did a lot of research before they came to the conclusion that Cersei's children were not fathered by Robert, and Rhaenyra was also an Arryn through her mother (though her mother was half Targ), so it's theoretically possible that her kids could have gotten brown hair through their Arryn side. We see Targs in the future with brown or black hair.

Yes, I do think all three of Rhaenyra’s Velaryon sons were fathered by Harwin Strong. I think this conclusion is strongly (no pun intended) suggested by the text: the in-world authors all appear to agree that this was the case, while the narrative both consistently emphasizes Laenor’s lack of interest in Rhaenyra (or any women, especially compared to other men) and Rhaenyra’s closeness to Harwin Strong and very blatantly presents the specifically non-Valyrian appearance of Rhaenyra’s children without any attempt to justify such a look in the context of her marriage to Laenor. I don't think the author is trying to be obtuse or misleading here; he's presenting the most obvious conclusion with really no alternative explanation.

Now, because the conceit of Fire and Blood Volume 1 places the narrator (as well as the author) at arm’s length from the characters in the story, we don’t have a way of knowing exactly what was in Rhaenyra’s head when she decided to have children by Harwin Strong. Nor do we know to what extent Rhaenyra understood the risk of having children who might not (and in fact did not) look like either herself or her husband (although it seems that in-universe, the very obviously non-Valyrian appearance of her sons drew immediate comment on their potential illegitimacy). Rhaenyra herself certainly never did anything either to suggest that her sons were not the products of her marriage to Laenor or to explain their distinctly non-Valyrian appearance.

So if I were to guess, I would say that this choice was the conflation of the personal and political for Rhaenyra. From her early years, she had been feted and praised as the "Realm's Delight"; at the age of eight, she had been proclaimed heiress to the Iron Throne. Ostensibly, she was the most important person in the realm after her father, and should have the second-most power in the kingdom ... but when it came to the question of marrying and propagating the dynasty, Rhaenyra found that she had no more power than the least smallfolk woman. Viserys very bluntly equated her political rights with her willingness to breed with whomever he selected for her; all those years of being celebrated and dueled over by the greatest aristocrats in the realm suddenly evaporated in the face of the patriarchal Westerosi expectation that, as a woman, her first responsibility was to churn out the next generation of (male) royal heirs.

Worse, perhaps (at least in her mind), Rhaenyra had (male) familial examples which only contrasted with the expectations placed on her. Her father had flouted a politically convenient Velaryon marriage in order to marry Alicent Hightower for love, yet he expected her to make a politically convenient Velaryon marriage and not pursue a love affair of her own instead - and when she balked, he dared suggest that the eldest child of this love marriage would replace her dynastically. Her uncle Daemon, for his part, had abandoned his politically advantageous Royce marriage to take up with a mistress, but she was expected to be faithful to her politically advantageous Velaryon marriage and have no male equivalent of a mistress.

So I could see where someone like Rhaenyra might have been deeply offended at such a suggestion, and looked for a way to assert her power (or what she saw as her own power). If her father could flout a Velaryon marriage for his personal romantic/sexual happiness, then she would do the same (and with an aristocrat just as highborn - the Strongs might never have been kings, but they still boasted descent from the First Men, and since the days of Jaehaerys I ruled the mighty seat of Harrenhal). If her father had decided that she was no more than the vessel for future (male) royal heirs, then she would give him those male heirs - but fathered by the man she chose, getting their royal claim solely from her and not from the male dynast Viserys had selected to share her bed (just as Viserys' children by Alicent, whom he had used to threaten Rhaenyra into the Laenor marriage, boasted Targaryen descent only from Viserys, and not also from their mother as Rhaenyra did). Just as her uncle Daemon had flaunted his Lysene mistress, pointedly leaving Rhea Royce in the Vale to live (and fly) with Mysaria on Dragonstone, so Rhaenyra would flaunt her lover Harwin, leaving Laenor on Driftmark while she kept Harwin on as her sworn shield on Dragonstone (and even publicly gave him her favor at her wedding tourney).

Again, this isn't outright stated in F&B, and it's completely possible Rhaenyra had other motivations. It's also worth comparing Rhaenyra to other sources of inspiration: to Cersei, who "want[ed] [Robert] horned" after confirming his infidelity early in their marriage; or to Marguerite of Burgundy of The Accursed Kings, who "felt that she was justified" in "tak[ing] an equerry for lover, receiv[ing] him in one’s husband’s house, and load[ing] him with gaudy presents" because "she had been married to a prince whom she did not love, and whose nocturnal advances filled her with horror".

[a-secret-bolton-vampire]

Been wanting to do this one for a long while. Thinking a lot about Fire and Blood because House of the Dragon is coming up, and there are quite a lot of parallels between the Dance of the Dragons and the main ASOIAF series. More below...

The Dance of the Dragons happened, in part, because the legitimacy of Rhaenyra's children was in question. Jacaerys, Lucerys, and Joffrey (how fitting, two bastard children named Joffrey) had brown hair instead of the typical silver-blonde hair of Targaryen and Velaryon children, and their father was not Laenor Velaryon, but rather Harwin Strong. Because of this, Rhaenyra's claim to the Iron Throne was contested, since her heirs would be bastards.

Not too dissimilar to the beginning of the War of the Five Kings, where Cersei, the beautiful queen of King Robert, fathered three bastard children in secret with her brother Jaime, all of them with the golden blond hair of the Lannisters. Then when Robert died, Joffrey ascended the throne, and Ned backed Stannis, who was in truth the rightful heir to the throne... we all know how that went of course. Also, while Rhaenyra's Joffrey was the youngest of the three, Cersei's Joffrey was the oldest of the three.

Rhaenyra and Cersei are very strong parallels. Rhaenyra was secretly involved in an affair with a family member (her uncle Daemon) whilst Cersei was involved in a secret affair with her own family member (brother Jaime). The difference, of course, being that Rhaenyra ended up marrying Daemon because Targs do Targ things, and Cersei just kept her affair with Jaime secret because they weren't Targs. In addition, Rhaenyra ended up losing all three of her children, becoming more and more bitter and distraught, becoming prone to paranoia.

Meanwhile, Cersei has thus far only lost Joffrey, but the valonqar prophecy states she will lose all three of her children. Like Rhaenyra, though, after the death of Joffrey, she does become more prone to paranoia and is increasingly bitter. Rhaenyra was eventually fed to Sunfyre by her half-brother Aegon. If Jaime is truly the valonqar, then Cersei might end up being killed by her brother as well. Eventually, Rhaenyra did end up becoming estranged from Daemon, and currently Cersei is estranged from Jaime.

However, a better Dance parallel with Cersei and Jaime is Rhaenyra and Criston Cole. They were lovers, a future queen with a member of the Kingsguard. They later suffered some sort of estrangement (the nature of which is a source of conflict in terms of what is real) that led to Criston eventually siding with the greens over the blacks during the Dance. Criston also was made Hand of the King, while Cersei presses for Jaime to be made Hand, but he refuses the position.

However, Rhaenyra isn't the only Cersei parallel. Alicent Hightower is another. Like Cersei, she supports her eldest son in claiming the throne against its lawful heir, and is the dowager queen of the former king... And she is the daughter of the Hand of the King, who is a member of one of the richest, most powerful families in the kingdoms. However, Rh

But the parallels run even deeper than that. It shocked me to see how far these go. The story of Aegon III and Viserys II as children is not too dissimilar to both the story of Daenerys and Viserys after Robert's Rebellion and some of the Stark children. Like Dany and Viserys, Viserys II ended up spending a lot of time in the Free Cities, specifically Lys, although he was captured in battle and returned as a hostage, whereas Dany and Viserys spent time in Illyrio's mansion as guests. Arya also went to Braavos, a Free City, but that's about where the similarities end so that isn't very intentional, I think.

Nonetheless, both Aegon and Viserys spent the majority of the war separated from each other and only reunited after it ended. Likewise, the Stark children were separated from each other for the majority of the war as well, and seem poised to reunite after the initial War of the Five Kings is over. And speaking of Starks, Aegon III does have a slight parallel with Bran.

As confirmed by George, Bran will be the King of Westeros by the end of the books, and there is a moniker given to him in the show that actually does appear in the books, of Bran the Broken. Meanwhile, at the end of the Dance, Aegon is now the King, and he is known as the Broken King, because of his extreme PTSD and depression from his traumatic experiences during the war.

Doesn't even end there. Now we get into some of, in my opinion, the biggest parallels with the Dance and ASOIAF proper. We all know about R+L=J, and the Dance has not one, but two big nods to this. First is the story told by Mushroom of when Jacaerys visited Winterfell. Supposedly, he fell in love with Cregan's bastard half-sister Sara Snow, and the two secretly wed before the Winterfell heart tree. Regardless of the validity of the story, Cregan and Jace did end up agreeing to what was called the Pact of Ice and Fire, wherein Jace's firstborn daughter would marry Cregan's son Rickon... son of a Targaryen king marrying the daughter of Lord Stark? Hmmm....

However, the other one is a lot more significant, to me anyways, and that would be the relationship between Crown Prince Aemond One-Eye and Alys Rivers. During the Dance, when Aemond took over Harrenhal, he took Alys Rivers as his paramour. The mysterious Alys was said to be a witch who was a bastard of House Strong, a House that has strong ties to the First Men. So, Valyrian crown prince and a First Man woman in love... but don't worry, it gets extremely apparent afterwards.

Aemond impregnates Alys and leaves her in a tower to go fight Daemon, during which Aemond is killed, leaving Alys all alone. Rhaegar impregnates Lyanna and leaves her in a tower to go fight Robert, during which Rhaegar is killed and leaves Alys all alone... then, years later, during winter, the Hand of the King Tyland Lannister tries to get together a force to retake Harrenhal, as it is held by brigands and thieves and broken men, only to find Alys there... with a young child she calls her and Aemond's trueborn son, and the rightful King of Westeros.

If that isn't enough for you, there is a very distinct similarity in the armour of Rhaegar and Aemond. Rhaegar's armour is mentioned to have been;

Seventeen and new to knighthood, Rhaegar Targaryen had worn black plate over golden ringmail when he cantered onto the lists.

And:

The day had been windy when he said farewell to Rhaegar, in the yard of the Red Keep. The prince had donned his night-black armor, with the three-headed dragon picked out in rubies on his breastplate.

Compare this to Aemond's own armour.

Vhagar had come at last, and on her back rode the one-eyed Prince Aemond Targaryen, clad in nightblack armor chased with gold.

It seems clear to me that George is trying to tell us something. I think Aemond and Alys are a sort of dark mirror to Rhaegar and Lyanna. Rhaegar was considered a very noble, chivalrous prince who was well loved by the smallfolk, and Lyanna had a strong sense of Stark justice (as seen in the Knight of the Laughing Tree story). Meanwhile, Aemond was a narcissistic, psychopathic mass murderer who seems almost Ramsay-esque in his demeanour. And Alys seems more power hungry and eventually took over Harrenhal as its witch queen. But the fact they have what Alys claims to be their trueborn child and true king of Westeros does strongly suggest Rhaegar and Lyanna did eventually marry and Jon is their trueborn son, not a bastard.

I hoped I would be done by now, but there is still even more parallels. Cregan Stark and Eddard Stark are parallels and foils. Ned becomes Hand of the King and travels south to uncover who poisoned the previous Hand of the King, before the War of the Five Kings starts. Meanwhile, Cregan travels south and arrives at King's Landing after the Dance was over, then becomes Hand of the King to uncover who poisoned the previous king (Aegon II). However, while Ned was cautious and not really a big player of the game of thrones, Cregan was ambitious and knew what he was doing, even if his actions weren't always the best (attacking Storm's End, Oldtown, and Casterly Rock after the war was essentially over? Not a good idea, Stark).

The Regency of Aegon III in and of itself is a metacommentary to the writing process of ASOIAF. Originally, after GRRM finished ASOS, he decided to do a 5-year gap between that and what was to be ADWD. However, that ended up not working out, so he scrapped it all together. During that time, Tommen would've remained king, and his reign would be under a regency. So thus, Aegon III having a 5-year regency (from 131 to 136 AC) during that time alludes to that.

And then you get to Unwin Peake, my least favourite character in Fire and Blood. He appears to be a combination of Mace Tyrell and Randyll Tarly. Personality wise, he is very much like Randyll. He is a very outspoken misogynist, a very proud man, and a noted warrior wielding a Valyrian steel blade (that he likely stole from Tumbleton since Orphan-Maker was from House Roxton originally). He also changed out Aegon III's master-at-arms to be Gareth Long, who was a very harsh taskmaster, who routinely engaged in abusive tactics with the boys he trained when they didn't meet his expectations, including days without sleep, doused in tubs of ice water, being beat, and having their heads shaved, which is very reminiscent of Randyll's abuse of Sam as a child.

Unwin and Randyll also dealt with lawful punishment in very harsh ways, as seen by Randyll's treatment of those who break the law at Maidenpool, and Unwin's clearing the Red Keep cells during the Feast of Our Father Above. However, Unwin has a lot of similarities with Mace Tyrell as well. Mace is on the small council, and has routinely tried to engage in nepotism by implanting allies and family members of his into positions at the council and at King's Landing, including marrying Margaery to the king, becoming Hand of the King, having Paxter Redwyne be the lord admiral and Randyll Tarly the lord justiciar, try to bring his uncle Garth to become the new master of coin, and Garth's bastard sons to join the gold cloaks, not to mention the Conclave nearly sending his uncle Gormon to become the new Grand Maester (something Mace will surely approve of), Mace having his son Loras join the Kingsguard, and even try to betroth his heir Willas to Myrcella.

Meanwhile, Unwin engaged in much more rampant and unchecked nepotism. He was Hand of the King and Lord Regent, had Ser Gareth as master-at-arms at the Red Keep, since he was master-at-arms at Starpike, while his widowed aunt Clarice Osgrey was put in charge of Queen Jaehaera's household, Lord George Graceford (a member of the Caltrops that Peake himself was involved in) was appointed as the Lord Confessor, and Ser Victor Risley, the other surviving member of the Caltrops, was appointed to the position of the King's Justice.

He even dismissed Septon Eustace and replaced him with Septon Bernard, another relative of his. He also had his nephew Amaury and his bastard half-brother Ser Mervyn Flowers put onto the Kingsguard, while his uncle Gedmund was made the master of ships. Not to mention his attempted marriage between his daughter Myrielle and Aegon III. So basically the Peakes are the Tyrells of their day, trying to take control of the Seven Kingdoms and the Iron Throne.

And that is all that I can remember! I'm sure there is a lot more, but it's striking to see just how many parallels there are between the Dance and ASOIAF itself.

[warsofasoiaf]

Do targs go in condiment when birthing like mediveal people did “When Rhaenyra, the Princess of Dragonstone, learned of it, she fell into a rage. She was, at the time, in confinement at Dragonstone, awaiting the birth of her third child to Prince Daemon.” but first men and andals don’t? Hence why sansa was shocked at Robert nit being at the birth of Joffrey? Or is it per different kingdom? And I’m Stormlands they bring special rocks and deeds head like Robert did, but Westerlanders watch?

First off, this autocorrect of confinement to condiment was absolute glory and you should be proud of yourself, Anon.

While we would need more births to confirm, I think it might have to do more with northern culture (not shirking the hard tasks even if they are unpleasant) and the fact that Catelyn and Eddard actually like each other, or conversely, that Robert and Cersei despise each other.

Thanks for the question, Anon.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

[me-up-blog]

Details for my ASOIAF RP search

Hello everyone! I'm 20+, live in Europe, and am looking for a 1x1 RP set in Westeros/Essos. I have read and loved all the books and I watched the show up until season 4. I have many plot ideas, some detailed and others vague, and have been interested in playing this for a long time. The play need not to be ship-centered, but I find that it always helps to develop a gripping plot.

I play lit only.

The length is flexible depending on the scene. I usually write 200-400 words in a normal post.

I like some communication about the plot, but also the freedom to do what we want to.

I like and offer semi-regular posting. I don’t need and cannot deliver daily posts.

Now onto some of my ships and concurrent ideas! Characters with a * are characters I'd like to play.

In general, I like prequel stories. I can set a story in basically any era in Westeros. I’m also very interested in Essosi-based stories. Some times I would especially like to play in: Robert’s Rebellion, the Doom of Valyria, the Dance of the Dragons. I also like AU settings of the current time, e.g. “what if Robert’s Rebellion had failed” or “what if Rhaegar had married Cersei” or something like that. I’m curious what other ideas you might have!

Canon characters I’m fond of playing

Female: Cersei, Arianne, Sansa, Dany, Melisandre (!), Asha, Rhaenys (daughter of Rhaegar), Myrcella, pretty much all historical Targs - open for other characters too, as long as they’re not characters I won’t play (see below) Male: Theon, Oberyn, Jon, Stannis, Loras, Young Griff/Aegon VI, JonCon, pretty much all historical Targs - open for other characters too, as long as they’re not characters I won’t play (see below)

Characters I won’t play

This does not mean I dislike these characters - I just don’t see myself having fun playing them. Rhaegar, Ramsay, Balon, Euron, Sandor, Tyrion, Robb Brienne, Margaery, Meera, Missandei, Ygritte

Canon characters in ships

f/f Rhaena*/Elissa Farman Arianne*/Dany Sansa*/Asha Elia*/Lyanna* (!) Melisandre*/fOC (!) Dany*/fOC* Myrcella*/fOC

f/m Cersei*/Jaime Cregan Stark*/Alysanne Blackwood* (!) Arianne*/Aegon VI Baelon*/Alyssa* (!) Daemon*/Rhaenyra*

m/m Theon*/Viserys (!) Oberyn*/Willas* Young Griff*/Jon* Loras*/Renly JonCon*/Rhaegar JonCon*/Oberyn* Daario*/Hizdahr (!) Daeron*/Ser Jeremy Norridge (!) Kermit Tully*/Benjicot Blackwood* Laenor Velaryon*/Joffrey Lonmouth Jon*/mOC JonCon*/mOC*

I have concrete ideas for: Arianne/Dany, Melisandre/fOC, Elia/Lyanna,  Cersei/Jaime,  Daeron/Jeremy, Loras/Renly, Theon/Viserys and Young Griff/Jon. But I would still love to play all the others too!

Ships I won’t play

I’m generally open to any ship you suggest to me, even crack ships. There are some ships I’m not interested in playing, however. Not because I don’t like them, or because I think they’re uninteresting - I’m just not interested in playing them specifically. For some of these, I even hope they’ll be endgame, but I still don’t wanna play them. Arya/Gendry, Lyanna/Rhaegar, Brienne/Jaime, Petyr/Sansa, Robb/Theon, Margaery/Robb, Margaery/Tommen, Joffrey/Sansa

OCs

With OC/OC ships, I usually only play f/f or m/m unless you blow me away with your idea, haha.

Generally, I'm very interested in playing m/m in one of the men-only communities: Night's Watch, Kingsguard, a sellsword company, even the Citadel. I can play at any point in time. I'm also interested in two lords or something similar, of course.

I have 6 male OCs I'm interested in playing, the first 3 are lowborn, the latter 3 are highborn: Morgan, a peasant orphan from Dorne who grew up to become a skilled archer and warrior; Ser Gwayne Waters, bastard son of Lord Celtigar, an honorable and idealistic knight; Ser Symon of the Sea, son of a thrall and professional liar; Valerion Targaryen, a prince and dragon rider; Tymor Lannister, heir to Casterly Rock, proud and able; Ossyfer Tully, Lord of Riverrun; Vorian Royce, who prays to the Old Gods.

Regarding f/f, I’m interested in a play set in Dorne or at the royal court, between a ruling lady and one married to someone, or her handmaiden, or something like that. I’m also very interested in a play with a Targaryen princess. Generally, I’m very open here.

I have 4 female OCs I’m interested in playing: A female Targaryen princess, dragon rider; Lady Aliandra Dalt, ruling lady of Lemonwood, a Dornish beauty; Hazel, a spearwife and warg of the Free Folk;  Cerelle Serret, to be married to Lord Lannister.

They all have distinct characteristics and I'd love to talk about them with you if you're interested in a OC/OC play.

Please send me a PM to get things started! I'm most comfortable with Discord, but I'm also open to other platforms.

[sherlokiness]

“You have your mother's eyes. Honest eyes, and innocent. Blue as a sunlit sea. When you are a little older, many a man will drown in those eyes.”

“The man kept staring at him, with eyes  as big and black as wells. I will fall into those eyes and drown.”

Why not just say men? Why many a man? It makes you think specially that Jon’s answer is a perfect fit like in the highlights. I also love that Jon will not merely drown, no, he will also fall. The use of “will” is also important as you will see with the other drowning eyes references below. Jon will fall and drown, like it’s a certainty, like a promise.

I wouldn’t call it reaching because when it comes to Jon and Sansa, they are like puzzle pieces. They answer each other’s dreams and wishes. George is the biggest troll. I see you and I love you.👀👀👀 Taken out of context, Jon’s response is the only drowning of eyes that isn’t akin to falling in love. In context, he says he will drown in the eyes of the innocent man he’s being forced to kill to prove he’s not a crow anymore. Well, he didn’t kill the man. He’s still a crow and Old Nan says “Crows are all liars.” He’s a crow who slept with a woman to prove his loyalty. Bam! Take that, Aegony.

These are the only other references to drowning in eyes I could find: And they are just delicious. Such sweet coincidences.

“No, she was one of mine, gods love her, black hair and these sweet big eyes, you could drown in them."  

Could drown and no eye color? Gods love her because they answer her prayers." I think Lyanna's eyes are blue. Benjen has blue-grey eyes and there is no mention of the color of Lyanna's eyes. GRRRM is hiding something but it's been revealed in the first book. "blue as the eyes of death" are Lyanna's eye color. Just replace death with love and you have your answer. love=death.

"But he does not know you," Dontos insisted, "and he will not love you. Jonquil, Jonquil, open your sweet eyes, these Tyrells care nothing for you. It's your claim they mean to wed."

Robert is talking about Jon’s mother and her sweet eyes while Sansa also has sweet eyes.They did all they did for love. It fits in the context too because Ned wouldn't know about the WW. Val's eyes turned blue, another hint.

"Long dark hair and blue eyes you could drown in, and he had."Tyrion drowned aka Hugor Hill, a King.

"She could only imagine…to run her fingers through those thick brown curls and drown in his deep brown eyes.” 

She could only imagine, huh? So Tyrion drowned and he married her. 

“Cersei had almost drowned in the depths of his sad purple eyes.”

 Almost drowned like you almost married Rhaegar?

Sweet-Big blue eyes: King Robert talking about Jon’s mother, Lyanna Stark. Wolf. Sansa.

Sad-Deep brown/purple eyes: Queen Cersei talking about Jon’s father, Rhaegar Targaryen. Dragon. Jon.

The perfect set. King and Queen. Wolf and Dragon. Ice and Fire. Sansa and Jon. Stone and Snow. Sweet and Sad

"Sweet and sad as love.”

This phrase basically says that sweet and sad together means love. So Sansa really will have her happy sweet ending.

The story of Florian and Jonquil, Sansa’s favorite, was described by her as sad but in the D&E novella, it was “sad and sweet” after Florian has defeated the giant which I think is Dany. The sweet comes after.

“Sweet lady," said Florian, "all men are fools, and all men are knights, where women are concerned."It was a good show, sad and sweet both, with a sprightly swordfight at the end, and a nicely painted giant.

"Myrish. 'The Seasons of My Love.' Sweet and sad, if you understand the words.” 

Fourth verse could very well be “ I loved a maid as sweet as spring, with flowers in her hair.’

"The dragon has three heads." He went to the window seat, picked up a harp, and ran his fingers lightly over its silvery strings. Sweet sadness filled the room as man and wife and babe faded like the morning mist, only the music lingering behind to speed her on her way.” Sweet and sad are related to TPTWP.

"I am composing a new song, you should know. A song so sweet and sad it will melt even your frozen heart. 'The Roadside Rose,' I mean to call it.”

What song could possibly melt Sansa Stark’s frozen heart?

Sansa’s eyes: Big blue eyes.

A king’s wife: “The Maid brought forth a girl supple as a willow with eyes like deep blue pools that Hugor took as his first wife.”

Tyrion, Sansa’s husband, used the name Hugor Hill. Sansa is going to be Jon’s first wife. 

Jon’s eyes are deep dark purple. He has Valyrian eyes

"Dornishmen were small and swarthy, with black hair and small black eyes, but Ned had big blue eyes, so dark that they looked almost purple.” 

So blue eyes could be mistaken for purple.

“Jon’s eyes were a grey so dark they seemed almost black, but there was little they did not see.”

That’s how Jon’s eyes are first described.

"The colors are strange," he commented as he turned the blade in the sunlight. Most Valyrian steel was a grey so dark it looked almost black, as was true here as well.

I think Jon might very well have Valyrian eyes. GRRM wouldn’t want it be too easy of course from the first book. The description of Jon’s eyes and Valyrian Ice are almost the same. We even have several passages of eyes=ice.

The Kings of Winter.

He was walking through the crypts beneath Winterfell, as he had walked a thousand times before. The Kings of Winter watched him pass with eyes of ice, and the direwolves at their feet turned their great stone heads and snarled.

Jon, he'd said, but Jon was gone. It was Lord Snow who faced him now, grey eyes as hard as ice.

There was an agelessness about him, a stillness; on Roose Bolton's face, rage and joy looked much the same. All he and Ramsay had in common were their eyes. His eyes are ice. 

We have a Brandon called this,

Brandon Stark this was, Edrick Snowbeard's great-grandson, him that men called Ice Eyes.

It might be why he gave us FAegon. If dark blue eyes could be mistaken for purple, then why not dark grey eyes as dark purple especially that the Daynes and Targs have the genes for purple eyes?

“Young Griff had blue eyes, but where the father’s eyes were pale, the son’s were dark. By lamplight they turned black, and in the light of dusk they seemed purple.” FAegons blue hair make his “blue” eyes dark blue. His hair emphasizes his blue eyes and hides his purple eyes which are said to be a lighter shade than Rhaegar’s.

“The man had her brother’s hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac.” 

Dark indigo is more blue than purple. Indigo plus blue= dark purple? If we use the old meaining of the word indigo then we would end up with “indigo dye.” 

Indigo dye is an organic compound with a distinctive blue color (see indigo). Historically, indigo was a natural dye extracted from the leaves of certain plants, and this process was important economically because blue dyes were once rare.

So indigo = blue. The old word Azure denotes “blue dye.” Azure is another word for sky-blue. 

Jon doesn’t need to have Valyrian eyes to be Darkstar’s foil.  But Jon is also the dark and dangerous poison to Dany. His eyes are angry.

“He had collar-length black hair and eyes that caught the deep blue of his doublet.” Dunk thought.

John the Fiddler/Daemon Targ had blue eyes because of his blue clothes and black hair.

“In the dimness of the lamplit cellar they looked black, but in better light there true colour could be seen: deep and dark and purple. Valyrian eyes."

Dunk says Daemon has Egg’s eyes were deep dark purple once he learned that Egg was actually a Targ. If Jon really had Valyrian eyes then it would be a bit contrived if everyone were wrong about his grey eyes all along. But it would be an undeniable proof that he’s blood of the dragon too and rightful heir.

If we apply the same logic to Jon, his eyes might not be the dark grey/black people think they are. He has brown hair and dresses in black so people would think his eyes are dark grey/black but are actually dark purple. The lights also have to be taken into consideration.