#anti Marc Guggenheim

[spite-and-waffles]

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I stan nobody but if I stan anyone I stan Candice Patton and her Iris West. The absolute hailstorm of racism, misogynoir, trauma and alienation this lady and her character has been subjected to from the get-go is unreal. And yet for nine whole years she breathed beauty and warmth and genuineness into her character, even when delivering the worst lines of dialogue she was made to say that she knew would cause huge backlash (apologies for linking Screen Rant. Broken clock etc.). She co-founded "Shethority" with her friends Maisie Richardson Sellers and Caity Lotz in the wake of the Kreisberg scandal. And she always put herself on the line to speak out and hold her bosses accountable as much as possible.

All this while her character was barely allowed to kiss her co-star onscreen, let alone act with the same casual sexuality of any other married TV couple in a 7pm slot, under the guise of The Flash being a "family show". My heart broke for how utterly worn down and traumatized she was by the end, because not only did Berlanti Studios or the CW not protect or accommodate their Black artists and those of colour, they're also known for subjecting them to racist, misogynistic harrassment and severe exploitation of even their white male talent. This woman wasn't allowed a Black hairdresser or makeup artist for eight seasons, was only allowed to show her natural hair on-screen after five years, and had to watch her black co-stars being sidelined, suppressed and subjected to all manner of indignity with little space to offer solidarity or speak out (I don't care if Berlanti hired them for Love, Simon, the way his fucking studio treated Keiynan Lonsdale was a crime). Even her co-star Grant Gustin only woke up and came to her defence against the online abuse hurled her way eight years in.

Berlanti has cultivated a wholly unearned reputation as an envelope-pusher for the gay community in the entertainment industry, while playing it so safe that the gay couples in his shows are barely allowed to make out– the same way they treat interracial couples with one white partner. His buddy Kreisberg finally met his downfall after sexually harrassing the female workers in his shows for four years, but Marc Guggenheim, Wendy Mericle and Geof Johns are also known racists and misogynists. Even after Stephen Amell's breakdown, Ruby Rose going public with her physical trauma, firing Superman and Lois's Black writer Nadria Tucker, numerous attempts by Black actresses to speak on their working conditions in the CW, and the consistent bald misogyny, ableism and racism of these shows' storylines, the white queers in fandom continue to valorize Berlanti. Now with the release of Red, White and Royal Blue on Amazon Prime in August, again using a Mexican director and characters of colour to use QPoC fans as a shield and buttress, Berlanti's stock is going to be even higher.

The Flash had the potential to be a truly great show, and Candice's Iris West a real foothold for Black actresses and interracial romances in the white-dominated TV entertainment industry. Instead it was just another opportunity for it to grind them to dust. Just like so many other Black women and WoC who try to lead the charge. But through it all, Ms. Patton held the line. Y'all never deserved her. I hope she gets to heal and move onto projects that value her and allow her her full range of voice and expression, that recognizes and rewards her incredible talent and work ethic.

Fuck Berlanti, fuck the CW and fuck DCtv.

[azurecanary]

Honestly still annoyed YEARS later that the CW fucked up a perfect opportunity to have a good Green Arrow show complete with proper versions of Oliver Queen, Dinah Lance, Roy Harper, Mia Dearden and Connor Hawke but instead just decided to write a Green Batman show complete with knockoffs of Bruce Wayne, Oracle, Artemis and Red Hood as well as a weird whitewashed Connor Hawke whose fate we have no clue of three years later.

[zaritarazi]

I know its a month old but it just blew up on twitter today so does anyone want a legends in review reading of marc's pathetic letter that he won't be involved in future dc projects

[laurelwinchester]

"Simply put, the Arrowverse hasn't led to any other gigs, so it feels - at least on a career level - that I really wasted my time."

hands down the funniest sentence marc guggenheim has ever written. so ridiculous, so narcissistic, so him.

[ulkaralakbarova]

The story of Richard and Mildred Loving, an interracial couple, whose challenge of their anti-miscegenation arrest for their marriage in Virginia led to a legal battle that would end at the US Supreme Court. Credits: TheMovieDb. Film Cast: Richard Loving: Joel Edgerton Mildred Loving: Ruth Negga Grey Villet: Michael Shannon Sheriff Brooks: Marton Csokas Bernie Cohen: Nick Kroll Frank Beazley: Bill Camp Lola Loving: Sharon Blackwood Raymond Green: Alano Miller Garnet Jetter: Terri Abney Judge Bazile: David Jensen Phil Hirschkop: Jon Bass Theoliver Jeter: Christopher Mann Musiel Byrd-Jeter: Winter-Lee Holland Deputy: Michael Abbott Jr. Percy Fortune: Chris Greene Virgil: Will Dalton Chet Antieau: Matt Malloy Laura: Andrene Ward-Hammond Alex: D.L. Hopkins Hope Ryden: Jennifer Joyner Cousin Davis: Lance Lemon Cousin Gerald: Marquis Adonis Hazelwood Older Sydney: Brenan Young Older Donald: Dalyn Cleckley Older Peggy: Quinn McPherson Middle Sidney: Jevin Crochrell Middle Donald: Jordan Williams Jr. Middle Peggy: Georgia Crawford Toddler Sydney: Micah Claiborne Baby Sydney: Devin Cleckley Infant Sydney: Pryor Ferguson Clara – Cashier: Karen Vicks Reporter #1: Scott Wichmann Construction Worker: Benjamin Loeh Court Secretary: Bridget Gethins Store Pedestrian: Mark Huber Drag Race Spectator: James Matthew Poole Secretary: Coley Campany Secretary: Sheri Lahris Construction Worker: Jordan Dickey Telephone Man: Coby Batty Drag Race Spectator / Bar Patron: Chris Condetti Richard’s Racing Crew: Logan J. Woolfolk County Clerk: Robert Haulbrook Bricklayer: Keith Tyree Spectator: James Nevins Prisoner: W. Keith Scott Photojournalist: Tom Lancaster Street Walker: Lonnie M. Henderson Court Audience Member: Brian Thomas Wise Drag Race Spectator: Ken Holliday Antieau’s Secretary: Terry Menefee Gau Driver: Marc Anthony Lowe Racetrack Spectator: Jay SanGiovanni D.C Teen: Tyrell Ford Baby Boy #1: James Atticus Abebayehu Phil’s Dad: Jim D. Johnston …: Derick Newson Boarding House Boy: Miles Hopkins Construction Worker: Kenneth William Clarke Reporter: Robert Furner Secretary: Victoria Chavatel Jimison Field Hand / Drag Strip Attendee / Shot Gun Shack Attendee (uncredited): Darrick Claiborne Courtroom Spectator (uncredited): Raymond H. Johnson Drag Race Driver: Dean Mumford Pregnant Girl: Rebecca Turner Magistrate: Mike Shiflett County Jailer: Greg Cooper Supreme Court Reporter: A. Smith Harrison Press Conference Reporter: Keith Flippen Soundman: Jason Alan Cook Courtroom Spectator (uncredited): Lucas N. Hall Film Crew: Director: Jeff Nichols Editor: Julie Monroe Producer: Peter Saraf Executive Producer: Jack Turner Executive Producer: Jared Ian Goldman Executive Producer: Brian Kavanaugh-Jones Unit Production Manager: Sarah Green Art Direction: Jonathan Guggenheim Casting: Francine Maisler Production Design: Chad Keith Storyboard: Nancy Buirski Associate Producer: Oge Egbuono Producer: Colin Firth Producer: Marc Turtletaub Set Decoration: Adam Willis Producer: Ged Doherty Unit Production Manager: Will Greenfield Costume Design: Erin Benach Music Supervisor: Lauren Mikus Original Music Composer: David Wingo Still Photographer: Ben Rothstein Director of Photography: Adam Stone Script Supervisor: Jean-Paul Chreky Special Effects Coordinator: Gary Pilkinton Special Effects Technician: Trevor Smithson Property Master: A. Patrick Storey First Assistant Director: Cas Donovan Second Assistant Director: Tommy Martin Stunt Driver: Dean Mumford Key Makeup Artist: Katie Middleton Second Second Assistant Director: Ben LeDoux Construction Buyer: Roslyn Blankenship Assistant Property Master: Hannah Ross Dialogue Editor: Brandon Proctor Genetator Operator: Maxwel Fisher Post Production Supervisor: Susan E. Novick Boom Operator: Proctor Trivette Leadman: Stephen G. Shifflette Second Assistant “A” Camera: Stephen McBride Sound Effects Editor: David Grimaldi Foley Mixer: Judy Kirschner Makeup Department Head: Julia Lallas Hairstylist: Brian Morton Sound Effects Editor: Joel Dougherty ADR Mixer: Chris Navarro Sound Effects Editor: P.K. Hooker ...

[afaimsarrowverse]

250(ish) Favorite Arrowverse Episodes: Part 8: 75-51

Picked from „Arrow“, „Black Lightning“, „Supergirl“, „Legends of Tomorrow“, „The Flash“, „Barwoman“ Season 1+2 and „Superman & Lois“ Season 1+2. I did consider kicking „Superman & Lois“ of this list, but since it pretended to be part of the Arrowverse for its first two seasons I left it on here.

 75.  Zari, Not Zari (L5x8)

76, Written by: Morgan Faust, Tyron B. Carter, Directed by: Kevin Mock

 „You can't kill me. I'm a god.“

„Yeah? I've faced worse.“

 74.  Freakshow (Legends of Tomorrow 3x2)

35, Written by: Keto Shimizu, Grainne Godfree, Directed by: Kevin Tancharoen

 "We're bringing the circus to the circus."

 73.  The Magician (Arrow 3x4)

50, Written by: Wendy Mercile, Marc Guggenheim, Directed by: John Behring

 "I apologize for involving you in this. My quarrel is with your father." "My father's been dead for years, you crazy psycho bitch." "Not Robert Queen. Your true father—Al Sa-Her. 'The Magician.' Known to the uninitiated as Malcolm Merlyn."

 72.  Crisis on Infinite Earths 1-5

Part 1: Supergirl Episode 5.9/96, Written by: Robert Rovner, Marc Guggenheim, Derek Simon, Jay Faerber, Directed by: Jesse Warn, Part 2: Batwoman Episode 1.9/9, Written by: Din Whitehead, Holly Henderson, Directed by: Laura Belsey, Part 3: The Flash Episode 6.9/123, Written By: Lauren Certo, Sterling Gates, Eric Wallace, Directed By: David McWhirter, Part 4: Arrow: Episode 8.8/168, Written by: Marv Wolfman, Marc Guggenheim; Directed by: Glen Winter, Part 5: Legends of Tomorrow Episode 5.0/68, Written by: Keto Shimizu, Ubah Mohamed, Directed by: Gregory Smith

 "It was not supposed to be like this. This is not his ending I foresaw."

"Things are turning out differently than expected. But one thing is certain. Everything we know... everything there is... and everything there ever was... is doomed."

 "You have suffered a horrible loss, but you have every reason not to lose hope. Seven in fact. Across space and time exist seven heroes, Beings of the purest will, who can ultimately defeat the Anti-Monitor, and help save the multiverse. They are known as Paragons."

 "It is time... to end the age of heroes, and everything you hold close."

 "You have failed this universe!"

 "Oliver died so that we could continue to fight. He sacrificed everything for this new world, and we will not fail him. We will not fail this world. For Oliver."

 71.  The Getaway (Legends of Tomorrow 4x10)

61, Written by: Matthew Maala, Ubah Mohamed, Directed by: Viet Nguyen

 "At least we got a road trip, at least it was with you guys. You know, maybe that's what "family" is: the people you don't mind being annoyed by."

 70.  Midvale (Supergirl 3x6)

48, Written by: Caitlin Parrish, Jess Kardos, Directed by: Rob Greenlea

 "That was the first time I really became Kara Danvers." "It's a good thing, too. Got us through the next 10 years."

"Think I remember... thinking I would never feel at home on Earth. I still don't, in a way. But I feel at home with you." "Always."

 69.  For the Girl who has everything (Supergirl 1x13)

13, Written by: Andrew Kreisberg, Ted Sullivan, Derek Simon, Directed by: Dermott Downs

 "Kara Zor-El is at peace, which is more than she deserves. She has everything her heart desires."

 68.  Aruba-Con (Legends of Tomorrow 3x1)

34, Written by: Phil Klemmer, Marc Guggenheim, Directed by: Rob Seidenglanz

 "You don't think you need us anymore. Look Rip, this is our mess. You have to let us fix it."

"Using your team to fix anything is like doing brain surgery with a chainsaw."

 67.  Crisis on Earth X 1-4

 Part 1: Supergirl 3.8/ 50, Written by: Robert Rovner, Jessica Queller, Andrew Kreisberg, Marc Guggenheim, Directed by: Larry Teng, Part 2: Arrow 6.8/ 123, Written by: Wendy Mercile, Ben Sokolowski, Marc Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg, Directed by: James Bamford, Part 3: The Flash4.8/77, Written by: Todd Helbing, Andrew Kreisberg, Marc Guggenheim, Directed by: Dermott Daniel Downs, Part 4: Legends of Tomorrow 3.8/21, Written by: Phil Klemmer, Keto Shimizu, Marc Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg, Directed by: Greogry Smith

"Best wedding ever!"

 "This is sick."

"You mean looking at your reflection and seeing only weakness? I agree."

 "It's hard to believe a place like this actually exists, on any Earth."

"I wish I shared your sentiment. But in all my travels to distant times, one thing that sadly remains constant is man's ability to feel hatred for other men."

 "When you think about it... compared to the cosmos, one's life is but a blink of an eye."

 66.  Here I go again (Legends of Tomorrow 3x11)

44, Written by: Ray Utarnachitt, Morgan Faust, Directed by: Ben Bray

 "I have spent so much time with you guys. You're my family now. You deserve to be happy and if I can be a small part of making that happen, then this will be worth it."

 65.  Unthinkable (Arrow 2x23)

46, Written by: Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg, Directed by: John Behring

 "To fight the unthinkable, you have to be willing to do the unthinkable."

 64.  Luthors (Supergirl 2x12)

32, Written by: Robert Rovner, Cindy Lichtman, Directed by: Tawnia McKiernan

 "People don't remember this, Kara, but Clark and Lex Luthor used to be best friends. For years. And Clark believed in Lex for the longest time. No matter what people said. No matter what kind of proof he saw with his own eyes. No. Lex was his friend. But Clark was wrong."

"Lena is not Lex."

 63.  Checkmate (Arrow 5x16)

108, Written by: Beth Schwartz, Sarah Tarkoff, Directed by: Ken Shane

 "Oh... I'm ten steps ahead of you and you haven't even figured out what game we're playing yet."

 62.  The Virgin Gary (Legends of Tomorrow 4x1)

52, Written by: Phil Klemmer, Grainee Godfree, Directed by: Gregory Smith

 "Well, not to pressure you, but the entire fate of the Sexual Revolution is in the balance here."

"That is my favorite revolution."

 61.  The Man Under the Hood (Arrow 2x19)

42. Written by: Greg Berlanti, Geoff Johns, Andrew Kreisberg, Keto Shimizu, Directed by: Jesse Warn

 "'Cause if I knew who he really was, then he'd become a person, right? Maybe he's got a family. Friends. People that care about him. Someone with a life. That he couldn't be what I needed him to be. What this city needs him to be. It's the Arrow that matters. The man under the hood isn't important. Look at me. Can you imagine what it's like to be him? What he has to live with day in and day out, what that's gotta be like? Hey. The least I can do is sit here and do a little bit of time for him."

 60.  Welcome to Earth (Supergirl 2x3)

23, Written by: Jessica Queller, Derek Simon, Directed by: Rachel Talalay

 "Do the Hatfields mention the McCoys?"

"I take it your two planets didn't get along?"

 59.  Witch Hunt (Legends of Tomorrow 4x2)

53, Written by: Keto Shimizu, Matthew Maalaa, Directed by: Kevin Mock

 "People always fear what they don't understand. And that fear turns them into monsters. But we can't let it turn us into monsters, too. We have to be better than them."

 58.  Helen Hunt (Legends of Tomorrow 3x6)

39, Written by: Keto Shimizu, Ubah Mohamed, Directed by: David Geddes

 "Wait... You're that talent agent from the party."

"I assure you, I am something far more ruthless than a Hollywood agent."

 57.  Deathstroke (Arrow 2x18)

41, Written by: Marc Guggenheim, Drew Z. Greenberg, Directed by: Guy Bee

 "They're calling you Deathstroke."

"That's a bit flamboyant. I like it."

 56.  Present Tense (Arrow 8x4)

164, Written by: Oscar Balderrama, Jeane Wong, Directed by: Kristin Windell

 "Someone told me the only way to change the future is to start doing things differently now."

 55.  Phone Home (Legends of Tomorrow 3x4)

37, Written by: Matthew Maala, Directed By: Kevin Mock

 "You know, I felt alone for a long time. So long, that I just figured that's how things were going to be. It turns out there were people out there for me that I didn't even know I wanted. You'll find your people too, I promise. You just have to keep believing that things will be okay, even when it's hard."

 54.  Supergirl Lives (Supergirl 2x9)

29, Written by: Andrew Kreisberg, Eric Carrasco, Jess Kardos, Directed by: Kevin Smith

 "Imagine my excitement when one of my fighters told me about Slaver's Moon. I jumped at the opportunity to help expand its market."

 53.  Heir to the Demon (Arrow 2x13)

36, Written by: Jake Coburn, Directed by: Wendey Stanzler

 "We all have to keep secrets, Ms. Smoak."

 52.  Tagumo Attacks!!! (Legends of Tomorrow 4x5)

56, Written by: Keto Simizu, Ubah Mohamend, Directed by: Alexandra LaRoche

 "Guys. I think we're gonna need a bigger timeship."

 51.  Honor Thy Fathers (Arrow 5x21)

113, Written by: Marc Guggenheim, Directed by: Laura Belsey

 " What I can tell you is that nearly ten years ago, in a moment of... of immense courage, Robert Queen chose to sacrifice himself so that I might live. So that I had the opportunity to leave behind a better legacy than he did. So that I might return and one day serve this city. Today, we took a step forward. With help from the Green Arrow and his team, the Throwing Star Killer is now behind bars, and our streets are a little safer. Tomorrow, we'll take another step forward. The day after, we will take another one."

[claudia1829things]

I just finished watching the “ARROW” Season One episode called “Lone Gunmen”.  I just saw a scene in which Laurel Lance stopped a nightclub fight by putting the moves on some guy, who wanted to beat up Oliver.  I mean . . . what the fuck Guggenheim?  Why did the show runner thought it was necessary to seriously downgrade Laurel’s fighting abilities after Season One?

[ljones41]

I just watched the Season Five episode of “ARROW” called (5.11) “Second Chances”.  This is the episode that introduced Tina Boland aka Dinah Drake.  Oliver had witnessed Dinah murder two criminals in cold blood out of revenge for the death of her partner/lover.  And his first inclination was to recruit her to join Team Arrow as the new Black Canary.  What was Marc Guggenheim thinking?

[twicetolivetwicetodie]

HELP 😂

[jules85]

Wow.

Marc Guggenheim really goin out of his way to make me hate him a little bit more with the Green Lantern show announcement and no sign of David Ramsey being involved. What was the point?

[umbrellatori13]

Does Ass-truck hang out with Marc Guggenheim or sumthin?

Maybe that’s where he gets his ideas for “secret siblings/relatives” or “organic perfect heroes”

Ew.

[azurecanary]

Actually let's talk about the racism both Juliana and the character of Dinah Drake faced at the hands of the show and the fandom.

1. Is hated simply for holding the name Dinah and the mantle Black Canary. And don't tell me that it's because they botched the history of the Canary legacy. Because, sorry to say, the mantle is so fucking convoluted anyways. Did you know that Dinah Drake and Dinah Lance used to both be the same person? Or that the Canary Cry was originally a wizard's curse? So yeah, it's not about story inaccuracy. And it ain't about the hair colour either, cause both Laurel AND Dinah Drake from the comics had naturally dark hair.

2. The marketing of Green Arrow and the Canaries whitewashed Dinah and gave her blonde hair, and so does multiple fanarts of both Arrow!Dinah and DinahSiren.

From Guggie himself.

Come to think of it, they botched Mia's design too. Where's the curls? The hood and mask? Even the suit looks drastically different.

As for DinahSiren, I dare you to look up fanart and try to find a single one within the first twenty that has Dinah with skin darker than Laurel.

Also, ngl, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason Dinah was never considered as a love interest for Oliver, despite being one of the most prominent of them in the comics (yes, Ollie dated Dinah Drake too).

Just thought I'd bring this up since I've never seen it discussed and I've just seen so much unjustified hate towards Dinah and Juliana from Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy fans and Olicity fans alike.

[zaritarazi]

marc guggenheim spent 10,000 united states dollars of his own money to make this podcast happen. thanks marc, for your continued patronage of the arts. 

[laurelwinchester]

marc guggenheim being kicked off the dc writing team for good and then throwing a manbaby tantrum about it on his substack has made my day. i love when men like him lose. :))))

[keeloves]

4 years ago E1 Laurel was killed

Four years and one day ago Earth 1 Dinah Laurel Lance was murdered! That was when people realized that Marc and Wendy are morons! They killed her before she reached her full potential. From jump the writers and the fandom treated Laurel like shit! My biggest issue is that the Flarrowverse will bring back everyone from Sara to Roy and even Damian Darhk the man who murdered her but bringing back Earth 1 Laurel oh no that can't happen? I really wish they would have faked her death she goes off gets a bunch of training and comes back as this bad ass Black Canary but nope! Sara has been given multiple second chances, her existence has ruined Laurel's life, erased two Asian women's agency. I won't go into depth on why I despise Sara Lance because I have done that enough. The fact there were several and I mean several ways to bring Laurel back makes it all the more frustrating. Katie Cassidy was and is the best actress on the show! Another annoyance I have is that the Black Canary character was stripped of everything, from her Canary Cry her fight skills and even down to her first name. I would have let that go if she would gotten those things. Laurel's first name is Dinah, I wouldn't have an issue with calling her Laurel to avoid confusion with her mother Dinah, however that wasn't the case, you took the name Dinah Drake and slapped it on some OC and you gave her the meta gene with a Canary cry. It would have been more interesting for Laurel to take the Black Canary mantle from her mother, after her mom died, then instead of going by Laurel she goes by Dinah one becasue she is named after her mom, and 2 it would be away for her to honor her mother. It would also symbolize how she is done taking everyone's shit. I am just so tired of the blanatant disrepect towards Laurel and Katie. Bottom line she deserves better!

[colins-bridgerton]

Did not see the error finale but ppl are actually complaining that Oliver got screwed in the end? Where you all when they screwed over THE BLACK FUCKING CANARY from s1 onward? I am glad it’s over. Oliver from Error is not Oliver Queen. He shares the same name but he is not at all the iconic character from the comics and part of it is Marc Guggerdouches fault and part of it is Stephens.

I am laughing at the hypocrites again in that fandom and so glad I don’t watch

Maybe the DCEU will actually handle Oliver better.