#anti dean forrester

[saltygilmores]

@frazzledsoul shared an absolutely baffling take that she spotted on Instagram . Someone claimed "People are so distracted by Jess' looks that they overlook the fact he is a calculator (calculated?) person only at the age of 16 it's alarming and SICK that Jess knew how to manipulate Dean and Rory's relationship to make them feel uncomfortable with each other! Jess did this to make Dean feel insecure and paranoid so Rory got progressively more distant and Jess can take Rory away from him!" Dean wasn't insecure and paranoid until Jess showed up? I smell a trash take! Lessgo! I notice Dean's supporters who blame Jess for being a big ol Ruiner seem to gloss over Dean's jealousy over TRISTAN (who was nothing more than a bully and a harrasser that Rory wasn't dating or even interested in). If everything was so dang hunky dory for Dean and Rory (Lol, that rhymed) before Jess shows up, what is Dean's excuse for being insecure, paranoid, and making Rory uncomfortable for the entire first season of the show, another 5 episodes of season 2 until Jess shows up, then another some odd epsiodes into season 2 until Dean and Jess even just meet each other or are simply aware of each other's existence? The first time we truly see the rivalry between Dean and Jess start brewing on screen isn't until Bracebridge Dinner (2x10), and then it heats up for realsies in A Tisket a Tasket (2x13). So before 2x,10, who was using their psychic abilities on Dean to "make him" treat Rory like crap for 30 some odd episodes? He treated Tristan with the same jealous contempt as he did Jess, and I would argue it was even worse. in fact in Love, Daisies, and Troubadors, Tristan grabs Rory's books without her consent while Dean is in the Chilton parking lot. All he has to do is see Tristan with Rory's books (that she didn't want him to take and was trying to get back from him) and he doesn't ask Rory any questions. His temper is instantly set off and he becomes scarily jealous in the school parking lot and starts raising his voice at Rory in front of hundreds of other students.

Not to excuse Tristan for being a bully. Poor Rory is exhausted and she should probably just give up on boys, run away and join a nunnery. But we're talking about Dean The Butt Forrester here. Just seeing another boy carrying Rory's books was enough to set him off.

Just a very select few examples of Dean being insecure, paranoid jealous, and just a garden variety asshole, and Rory's "comfort" with him, long before Liz stuck Jess on that bus to hell:

See, he's more than capable of being a butt clown all on his own! Sorry Dean Lovers, ya'll get five seasons worth of your lover boy and we only get 1 and a half of Jess. You can't use Jess as a "get out of jail free card" for every shitty thing Dean does.

[butchjess]

@pheebebuffy: am I irrational for being angry that they repeated a literati line but tainted it w dean. bc I don’t feel irrational but. am I

NO! YOU’RE NOT! it makes me feel insane i sat in silence when i heard that line i completely forgot they paralleled the literati phone call… the oh yeah? yeah is theirs only its a literati staple i can’t believe they did this to us. like yes i know it’s supposed to show that rory’s entire motivations for getting close to dean again are completely rooted in loving jess, even that she’s so attracted to a guy that looks and talks exactly LIKE jess but yknow. is nothing LIKE him. and this pretty much turns her off immediately bc he’s kind of a meathead fratboy type, like… well, dean. remember when he stumbled around town drunk with his friends. he would’ve been a perfect fratboy.

but its just… to do all that buildup on rory very clearly and obviously still being hung up on jess and going well now there must be a catharsis there must be a wallowing scene for him! this is great! and then rory’s doing literati Remake Remastered Redux but with dean as jess and this is supposed to be the catharsis. this just looks like more repression. this is just more repression. there is no catharsis to be found here.

[djgrannyglasses]

Since I love most of my mutuals but not all their interests I am going to give you a list of my anti tags

Anti Barchie

Anti Jabitha

Anti Taylor Swift

Anti Rogan (both the ship and the comedian)

Anti Logan Huntzberger

Anti Dean Forrester

Anti Matt Healy (but like if you support him unfollow me????)

Riverdale Negativity

Fandom Drama

Anti Billy Hargrove

[liopleurodean]

Season 7, Episode 5: Shut Up, Dr. Phil

... interesting music?

Nice

Something is gonna go wrong with that thing

It's too hot?

Whoa

Yeah, same

Sleepy Dean

Uh oh

Oh, Dean...

Where's Sam?

"freaky accidents"

The beginning of Sam's jogging

Lot of heat problems

Don't ask, Sam

Yikes

I mean, he's totally lying, but he's also got a point

Yeah, okay

Teenagers™

A day and a half is already too long

Poor girl

Hm...

Ten minutes, actually

Poor guy

Different priorities

Well duh

Oh, he would be

Dean, come on

Ew, I hate that kind of truck

That's a horrible way to go

Now that's just strange

It's like a snake

At least he was zipped up first?

Yikes

So, well-off people? Business owners?

Prosperity. Prosperous people.

Oh, that'll do it

Of course there's someone else

Touche

Anti-Dracula

That really is weird

Mr. Stark.

She gives off weird vibes

That whole conversation felt off

Right...

That looks more like a hotel room than an actual living space

Interesting

What is that?

DONALD TRUMP

Sam, tread carefully

Do I know that actress?

Dean

A business associate?

A waffle iron.

That's why they're there, to investigate

Dean knows what's up

It still seems a little off

Yikes

Thanks, Bobby

Why would you start unpacking the knickknacks first?

Whoa.

Bold words

Rip

Uh oh

Hey, there we go

Run, Forrest, run

There we go

She does bake cupcakes!

Oh, that's nasty

Poor girl

There's a lot of places for it to hide

When in doubt, shoot it!

At least it worked

Poor girl

No, Dean

Good question

Something still feels weird about this situation

EW asdfghjkl

Oh, it's the friend

Alright then

In a public place? Really?

WHOA. That's a development.

Uh oh

Yikes

Will you?

Dean.

THE WAY HIS VOICE GOT HIGHER-

Nice

Do you need your own room?

Dude. Right next to his pie?

Germophobe Dean <3

So they're both witches!

Mm, I think he can

...like that

Dean!

Dean's worst nightmare

Well that sucks

It's go time

It's not gonna work

Sam.

Bold move, Dean

This looks like French Mistake Dean

This is gonna go so well

Oh, definitely

Wow...

Dean. Stop

Sam, no

Sam.

Not the bees!

Ew

Poor Dean

Okay...

Well that was fun

That's true

Not exactly

Did he just... spit out the bullet?

Hey, thanks!

Yeah, okay

Sure.

Ciao!

Yeah..?

Sam, stop

SAM JUST SHUT UP

[theharpermovieblog]

#HARPERSMOVIECOLLECTION

2023

I re-watched The Missouri Breaks (1976)

A lesser talked about western that is made great by the eccentric performance of Marlon Brando.

While getting revenge on a land owner, Tom Logan's gang of rustlers is hunted down by a vicious hired psychopath.

Arthur Penn is an excellent director. Helming films like Bonnie and Clyde, The Miracle Worker and Little Big Man, Penn's career speaks for itself. This is one of his films my father showed me many years back, and I've been meaning to rewatch it ever since because of the impact it had on me.

If you need more of an excuse than Penn's fantastic skills to want to watch this movie, The cast is top notch. Jack Nicholson, Marlon Brando, Harry Dean Stanton, Randy Quaid, John Ryan, Frederic Forrest.

Brando is exceptional at playing a wild, almost comical madman of a villain and Nicholson is a more reserved version of his usual self, playing the film's anti-hero.

Penn uses lighthearted moments to ingratiate us to Nicholson and his gang of rustlers. It's these older style scenes that are juxtaposed with the brutality and grittiness of the newer wave of films that came in with the 1970's in American filmmaking. A kind of new violent Hollywood that Penn helped lead the charge of when he directed 1969's Bonnie and Clyde.

No film do I think expresses that change in styles and the acceptance of the new style more than this, The Missouri Breaks. The old school western seems almost infiltrated by Brando's vicious psychopathic killer. A true madman who could only come from 70's film and who could only come from an actor like Brando.

Of course, It is this very juxtaposition that does sometimes make the film feel a bit off kilter. But, if you ride the ride it all leads to a very successful payoff and a moment that I think speaks to not only the violent films of the 1970's, but to the very idea of what an anti-hero is capable of doing, and what an audience will put up with and wants in a hero. After all, there was a time when a John Wayne refused to shoot someone in the back in western films because it went against some code of ethics that heroes were supposed to have. Nicholson's character actually wrestles with this in the film, and though he may be the hero of this story, he's still a dangerous criminal.

The connection to the film comes with Nicholson's anti hero's realization that he enjoys working the land over being an outlaw and that he may be falling in love, just as he comes closer to death and danger than he ever has, and as he begins to lose everyone in his life. That's the real sticking point of the film. The heart of it and it works very well the more the story builds, because I suppose the overall message is that some form of redemption takes a price.

There are flaws and missteps along the way. The film takes about an hour to settle into itself and as a result is a touch too long. But, nothing stops the film from being a classic western and a classic 70's film.

In my opinion, the movie is underappreciated and deserves a second look by anyone who dislikes it. It's a film that was made during what might be the greatest decade of 20th century film and it showcases a lot of why that decade is remembered as such.

[literatigifs]

anonymous asked: You know the most baffling thing about seeing Jess hate in the tags is when you immediately find out that the same people that hate him as a character and love Logan or Christopher or Dean then say something like "sure, Jess had it rough, but that is no excuse for how he behaved!" and yet they seem, completely fine?? With how the rest of the men in this series behaved?

I gave up on going into the main tags for this exact same reason because once one of them starts complaining, an entire league just picks up the pace and you get the same old points be regurgitated by the same 3 people over and over again. It's just boring at this point, like they spend so much time obsessively hating Jess and yet they can't even make up new reasons for it? I know that going as far as saying shit like "he probably sold meth as crystal candy to underage toddlers in New York in order to make some money in season 5" takes a lot of creativity but if you can't beat that, then your obsession with this character seems pretty pointless lmao.

And it's always the same with their reasons for liking Logan and Dean or preferring them, too! There's literally zero substance or interesting takes being given about these characters from their fans and it's so baffling to see at times?? Like the reason I love Jess is because his familial relationships, and even his ongoing connection with Rory are ripe for analyzing and talking about. I would extend this favor to Logan to a point because while his rich boy background is overwhelmingly generic (emotionally absent father who drinks habitually and cheats on his wife, mother who is a nervous wreck and the stereotypical wife of a rich man who married him for his money), there's still some aspects you could lean into and even dissect like how his destructive tendencies can be easily paralleled to his father's behavior AND to their relationship with each other. But again, nothing is done with this by his fans! They just repeat the same shit over and over again about how Logan was "the most perfect husband material to ever exist", despite the fact that there's various red flags given throughout the series even in season 7 where he goes back to his old habits and doesn't even communicate with Rory properly before he abruptly proposes, then ditches her. If they would at least admit that the so-called "ignorant writing choices" are also part of a larger pattern with his character and embraced his faults I'd get it, but they don't?

The same thing goes for Dean's fans. Dean has frankly nothing to credit him as being an interesting character because he practically exists to be Rory's first boyfriend (and then first experience in being the other woman 🥴). Every other relationship we see him in like with Lindsay, Luke or even Lorelai border on embarrassing to incredibly frustrating and negative, given how Dean seems to be completely fine with demeaning Luke's relationship with Lorelai because of his own personal history, or freely taking part in an affair despite being married to Lindsay. Like, he literally gives Lindsay more consideration only AFTER he has cheated on her and publicly humiliated her with that fact. I'm truly confused as to how Jess antis go on to say that even Dean was better than him when he willingly ruined his marriage with an affair by sleeping with Rory, an act that neither Jess or Rory ever did when she was with Dean. Last time I checked, Rory didn't try to sleep with Jess multiple times in season 3. And of course his fans just vaguely say they don't support that before then going on their 500th tirade about how Rory, an average high-schooler who's only dated one guy in her 17 year life by that point, had the audacity to develop a crush on a guy who liked her back and just wanted to spend time talking to her. Their reasons are frankly predictable at this point and honestly for all their complaining about Jess fans, the ones I see in the tags don't come off this obnoxious and holier-than-thou as they do.

[scoopsgf]

i’m rewatching s5 and i’ve noticed that both lindsey and rory had to like almost walk on eggshells around dean? like lindsey and rory both kept saying they didn’t want to fight especially when they did nothing wrong in the situation like ugh i hate him so much

oh my god you’re so right wtf… like they’re both so afraid of making him angry and saying the wrong thing because he’s so sensitive and prone to going off the rails at the drop of a hat. and the worst part is they can both do so much fucking better than dean. he is so hateable i actually can’t tolerate looking at his stupid face

[literatikoo]

Jess Mariano's alleged communication problems

If there is one thing the Gilmore Girls fandom agrees upon, whether you're team Jess or Dean or Logan, it's that Jess isn't great at communicating. There's just a consensus that he's not great at discussing his problems and that's the number 1 reason why his and Rory's relationship blew up in their face in season 3. But... this is a (somewhat) unfounded complaint? Don't get me wrong, I know Jess can be harsh and rude and really knows how to hit the nail on the head sometimes but there are also multiple instances where he talks after being pushed a little. Like every single time he's talked to Luke about Rory problems ("The girls I like don't give a damn about me," "I told her I loved her" and the infamous swan episode) or when he tells Rory, a girl he barely knows, that his mom doesn't want him back for Christmas.

The problem with Jess is that he picks and chooses who to communicate too. He definitely doesn't talk about Liz to Luke because he knows that Luke just doesn't believe that Liz is a bad person and a neglectful mother. And seriously, we've seen Luke enable Liz' terrible behaviour multiple times on the show, do you really think he would've believed whatever Jess had to say about her? He talks to Rory about Liz that one time and she doesn't believe him either and both we and Jess know that she has a right to that because she's never met Liz, but this is still enough for Jess to never bring her up again (at least from what we see) because he's a 17 year old kid with a terrible relationship with his parents. NO 17 year old kid who's been treated bad by their parents would want to open up about it because it's pretty strongly ingrained in us that having negative emotions against your parents is WRONG. On the other hand, Jess knows that Luke sees his and Rory's relationship and may even help because he has his own unique relationship with the Gilmore Girls, which is why he's much more open about Rory and even seeks advice on occasion.

Now, let's talk about Jess' less than stellar communication moments:

1. Lying about school and Walmart: Jess skives off school a LOT to work at Walmart and save up money. He doesn't tell anyone about it. Why? Because for everyone else in Stars Hollow, and for most of us too, school is important and education is a positive thing needed for growth. But who knows how often Jess went to school before SH, we already know he has a bad relationship with the educational system but why? When he goes back to NY in s2 it's obvious he's not going to school and we know Liz moved around a lot so he may be a lot more behind in school than we know. Yes, he's smart and he reads a lot but that's not enough to do well in school; you need to be able to conform a fair amount and I don't think Jess even went enough to know that. Jess already wasn't planning on going to college and he knows that living with Luke is temporary, which is why he puts more importance into saving up money. He was already working for the future, just in a different way from everyone else. It's obvious that he also wasn't planning to flunk out of school, it happened because he wasn't attending enough not because he was failing (which pisses me off so much don't even get me started). He was going to graduate and then he was going to use the money he saved up while looking for a job that suited him. And that's a pretty solid plan honestly, especially since he didn't have the luxury to suddenly decide to go to 4 year college because his girlfriend told him too like Dean. But this is something else he just couldn't talk about to Luke or Rory, who both think he's capable of great things within the academic sphere. Mind you, once Luke found out he was skipping school he didn't deal with things in the best way either. He stole his car, effectively cutting off Jess' last bit of independence. I really feel like Jess was just waiting to graduate before he had THE talk with Rory about their future, and it was obvious he was thinking longterm ("22.8 miles"). That is before everything goes to shit.

2. Keg! Max!: Let me preface this by saying that Jess definitely made irreversible mistakes in this episode... but it wasn't for the lack of trying. This is the episode that he finds out he's not graduating and we can see him struggling with this information, he's tense and angry and his emotions are simmering. His interactions with Rory, which are usually so easygoing, are surrounded by this air of finality. At this moment, he knows he's going to lose her and his home with Luke because that's what the deal was. But he still goes with her to that party and he still does the bare minimum of mingling. Throughout the party he tells Rory that he wants to leave, I'm guessing to talk to her about what happened. But they don't (this is NOT Rory's fault btw, she had no way to know what happened either) and instead Jess' emotions get the better of him. This is the first of the two instances where we really see how non communicative Jess can be. However I still maintain that if Dean hadn't gotten involved, Jess and Rory would've been able to talk. (fuck Dean)

3. Jess leaves: This is the second case where we see him being truly non communicative, and unfortunately I don't have much to say in his defence. Except that he probably was still reeling from losing his home and meeting his Dad and just didn't know how to put that insane amount of emotion into words. He also probably thought that Rory just didn't want to talk to him anymore because of how terribly he treated her, especially since he was just going to give her more bad news. He could see himself self destructing, and didn't want Rory to be collateral damage.

4. Smaller instances (Swan song, Not calling Rory, fighting with Lorelai): Okay, I think the swan incident was Rory's fault, because he was telling her the truth and just didn't want to get into it in front of Emily. But she wasn't ready to hear it until she talked to Dean, which honestly was a sucky move on her part. The not calling her when he said he would while they were dating in that one random episode was also a similar misunderstanding. The thing in common with both of these instances was that he was ready to learn afterwards; he said he was willing to go back to Emily's house and he bought them tickets to the Distillers and from what the show tells us they had a lot more consistent date nights after that. This was Jess' first proper relationship and he was really trying. Now the Lorelai thing... he just didn't want her in his business. They had no relation to each other and she was very condescending to him the first time they met, he wasn't great either but when an adult talks to you the way she did after you've just been uprooted at your mothers whims, you tend to hate them a little. And honestly I always thought that Jess being weirded out by Lorelai's involvement in his and Rory's relationship was more normal 17 year old behaviour than Dean being overly friendly with her.

So, in conclusion, because he made two big fatal communication mistakes, he's labelled as the broody non talking type. When we see most of the characters actually do the same (Rory drops out of Yale and cuts off ties with her mother, Lorelai sleeps with Christopher after months of miscommunication with Luke, Luke doesn't tell Lorelai, his fiance, that he has a daughter), seriously, they've all made mistakes and this doesn't diminish the mistakes that Jess has made and the hurt he has caused, but he also doesn't deserve to have non communicative as a personality trait. If it was seriously that big of a problem, he wouldn't have been able to grow from it that quickly (by the end of s4) and by reading self help books of all things. I also think it comes off like that because he was in the show for so little time, and that's what the writers chose to focus on.

So tldr, Jess isn't as non communicative as the show wants us to believe and he definitely isn't broody.

[nevergonnabemuchmorethanweather]

Riley Finn 🤝 Dean Forester

Oh, absolutely. I just tried to decide which one I hate more and I honestly can't. Although I guess I don't really hate them because, frankly... they're really not interesting enough to properly hate.

[mrsmess]

Arc-enemies: On Dean and Jess

Tonight, as I ranted Mr Mess’s ear off about this, and not for the first time, I came to realise that I have to expand my thoughts on Dean Forrester, previously mentioned here. I find his character arc super interesting, perhaps mainly because of its opposition to Jess Mariano’s. I wanna make it clear that I really dig Dean, because he’s an exceedingly well-written character; This is in no way meant to bash him, but to take a closer look at his arc and characterization. Here are my thoughts: 

Dean is privileged in a way Rory isn't – via his normalcy. His parents are married, he has a sister, traditional values apply. In this way he’s the one boyfriend who shares the least common ground with Rory. Nevertheless we fall for Dean through Rory's AND Lorelai's eyes: He is the perfect first boyfriend. He's committed and willing to participate in her world, but he doesn't always do so well, especially not with her grandparents or Luke, who all think Rory deserves something more than normal, something exceptional, although they define what that is differently.

Dean can’t compete with Rory’s intelligence, booksmarts, unconventional and adventurous dreams and friendships or posh family connections, leaving him feeling inadequate, which makes him incapable of accepting Rory’s hesitance at his confession of love. Even though they make up, Dean is left more vulnerable for it. He can never shake the (correct) feeling that she doesn’t, or can’t love him back, at least not the way he wants her to. This makes him react with aggressive jealousy when Jess enters the stage. 

When Rory indeed starts dating Jess, Dean only moves on on the surface. He follows through with the pretence to a fault, even compromising his own beliefs by entering into matrimony without giving up hope about his ex. He continues pining for Rory and sleeps with her the first chance he gets. When Rory sends him a Dear John letter, Lindsey gets hold of it, and kicks him to the curb. This is sort of a turning point for him as he sees what he’s done, however, he also takes it out on Rory, more so than an honest man would have. 

In spite of all this, they still continue their relationship but it is stained by the bad things they’ve done to each other and he eventually gives up and fades into the dark (or drives off with his sibling to hunt monsters, if you will), having lost his faith in both his heritage (marriage, normalcy) and love.

It's an interesting journey to watch because of his start as personifying young love, then succumbing to a seemingly safe normalcy, and making so many bad decisions that it sort of turns him bad. Or at the very least, tragic.

Meanwhile: Jess starts out in stark contrast to the entirety of Stars Hollow, even Rory, on the surface. In reality he shares the status of being an only child of a single mother with her, not to mention their love of books. But where Rory has a loving mother and access to money, Jess has nothing. His mother is unable to care for herself or him, she is however the sister to Luke, which anchors Jess to both the story and a family in a permanent way. His arc is the near opposite of Dean’s; one of initial decline but ultimate ascension.

Since all decisions affecting his life are made without any regard for his feelings, both by Liz and Luke, but for different reasons, he interacts with everyone the same way, not communicating directly or honestly, at least not verbally. Rory’s with Dean, but Jess, at this point lacking respect for traditional values, pursues her anyway. Their relationship is difficult. They have a lot in common, but the small town has already passed judgement on him and he has very few allies but a few very enthusiastic enemies, primarily Dean, having picked up some ugly tricks (possibly from watching him). Jess cannot communicate his issues to anyone which alienates him from everyone. 

His and Rory’s relationship implodes and it takes a depressingly realistic amount of time, and hitting rock bottom for him to swallow his pride and finally start working with himself. He announces this to Rory at Yale, but she rejects him. 

He does not fade into the void with that, however, but uses his newly found acceptance of Luke’s support and his love for Rory to launch him into a rising arc. The next time we see him he has his life pretty much in order, and is big enough to forgive Rory even when she tries to use him. I know a lot of people dislike the fact that he’s hung up on Rory but I really like it and not just for obvious reasons; To recognize a person’s significance in spite of the pain they might have caused you, to understand that your life ultimately is better from the love you feel, even if it’s not reciprocated, is a strength.

Since I ship literati this might seem like some excuse to take cheap shots at Dean, but it’s not intended as such. I guess what I like about it, him, Dean, is that his development seems completely plausible. Love can lift a person up, but it can also wreck you if it means losing yourself. And I think Dean’s character in some ways is meant to embody that. Likely decisions in writing depended on a lot of external factors, but it is well done. And contrasted to Jess’s arc: frickin’ elegant. I enjoy that.

[justanoutlawfic]

Let us count the ways that Dean breaks up with Rory.

1) On their anniversary, in a car he was building for her, when she wouldn’t say I love you. I don’t entirely blame him there, even though I also don’t blame Rory for not saying it.

2) At a very public dance marathon, in front of a bunch of people. He could’ve done it weeks prior, but he didn’t.

3) At her grandparents’ house, once again in front of a bunch of people for seemingly no reason.

But yeah...he’s what safe feels like.

[christinegrrl]

The number of times Rory says "I'm sorry, please don't be mad" to Dean while they're dating...

[aadmelioraa]

Remember how Dean broke up with Rory in a super public setting with no discussion or regard for her feelings out of pure insecurity and jealousy not only once, but twice?

[lovelylogans]

not to post a different fandom on the sideblog that’s meant to be dedicated to the sanders sides fandom, but like. i get why people ship rory with logan and want it to be endgame. i get why people ship rory with jess and want it to be endgame. what i do not understand whatsoever is people who ship rory and dean and want it to be endgame

[toomanyshipstoolittlelife-blog]

Gilmore Girls! :)

You are my very first ask on this site! 

fav character: Rory, especially the Rory of the first few seasons! Paris, Lorelai, Jess, Lane and her mom all rank a close second

least favourite character: TJ, Liz, Logan’s friends and sometimes Logan himself, Zach until the final season

otp: literati! 

brotp: Rory and Lorelai, Rory and Paris, Lorelai and Sookie, the Jess and Paris friendship that I pretend existed outside of just that one episode

notp: Also known as the part where people who ship any of these start to hate me! Rory and Logan, Rory and Dean, Luke and Nicole, Lorelai and Max, Lane and Zach 

[literatigifs]

anonymous asked: Its so irritating that in teach me tonight lorelai doesnt want to lie to dean if he calls abt rory tutoring jess and even said maybe u shouldn't be doing this if dean wouldnt like it. Its just so crazy that she could see her daughter scared of telling her bf she is tutoring a friend that she tells rory to not do something bc of her bf, its just feels icky idk that lorelai wouldn't see that its not healthy for rory to have to lie abt something just so dean doesn't get mad, i mean idk why lorelai kept pushing dean on rory even if she knew she liked jess. Plus its so weird that everyone acts like jess is some kind of murderer when none of his actions r that bad besides like petty theft. Like all u can say was he wasn't friendly or nice to ppl but that's hardly makes him evil, just an angsty teenager

I agree, I never really understood Lorelai pushing Dean onto Rory especially during the period when she could tell that Rory was at least beginning to like Jess more than she let on. I guess I could chalk it up to her trying to use Dean as a way to get Rory to spend less time with Jess, which could be a better explanation rather than her being some weird cheerleader for her daughter's romantic relationship (let alone her first with any guy whatsoever). But still, at times those scenes just rub me the wrong way because as you said, if you have to lie to someone repeatedly about spending time with other guys in order for them to not get mad and yell at you, then chances are that relationship isn't all that balanced. Another scene that reminds me of this is when Lorelai finds out Rory kissed Jess and then goes on and on about what a prince charming Dean is and how 'terrible' Rory has been treating him. Like first off, Rory just kissed Jess and then ran away to DC. It's not like she had a months-long affair with him while Dean didn't know. And it becomes obvious that Rory is emotionally torn about liking another guy while being in a relationship with Dean, it's why everyone wringing their fists at Rory over Dean always confuses me because she didn't even 'properly' cheat on him. She kissed one guy, and I'm not saying it's somehow completely excusable, but she was conflicted over it and tried to make it work with Dean for his sake.

Jess's behavior in season 2 isn't even remotely as bad as some people try to make it out to be. Even the whole "bad boy" act the series tries to paint off as troublesome or deplorable from his side mostly just comes off as funny because honestly, it's not even half as bad as the stuff other bad boys in TV shows do. Jess doesn't steal valuables or huge sums of money and he doesn't even deal drugs, all he did was steal a couple of garden ornaments and supplies and drew a chalk outline in front of a market. That's not even destruction of public property, since you could easily wash the chalk off. As for him being rude or not welcoming to the adult townsfolk, I've stated this before but I just find it obvious how the same fans that use this reasoning endlessly have no trouble laughing at Luke literally hurling customers out of his diner when he's mad, and Luke is a grown man, mind you. It's also easily explainable that Jess wouldn't have the same approach as anyone anyone who grew up in Stars Hollow when it comes to treating the adults with some weird propriety since he grew up in New York.