#anti love square

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Isekai'd as Chloe: Index

You were watching Miraculous Ladybug on your phone as your bus got hit by a truck. You died, it sucks. But a godly being gives you the chance to start anew in a brand new world. Sadly it's Miraculous, with all the plotholes, and flat characters, and don't forget worshipped while being a sexual abuser Adrien Agreste/Chat Noir. Could your day get any worse? You shouldn't have asked because you were reborn as Chloe and forgot who Papillion was. Someone wanted to see you suffer, that was sure! But you wouldn't give them the satisfaction. It was time to throw canon out of the window and make Miraculous a better show or in your case world!

Main Pairing: Reader/Luka Couffaine/Marinette Dupain-Cheng

Prologue

Chapter 1

Chapter 2

Chapter 3

Chapter 4

Chapter 5

Chapter 6

Chapter 7

Chapter 8

Chapter 9

Chapter 10

Chapter 11

Chapter 12

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When a there is an outside factor building up to romantic leads not ending up together, while also wrecking the pacing of the ship...

And the red herring's being toxic but the writers just hope you pick up on the vibe without holding anyone accountable...

Is when it's time to check your bias.

[starlight-vixen-emiko]

I’m not sure if you’re in the ATLA fandom but l*ve square feels a lot like kat*ang where people can easily criticize female main but don’t you dare not ship canon or criticize our boy!

Childish boy that can do no wrong/ is perfect that needs come before duty or the wants of his partner x woman of color that’s kind and strong which are her best or worst traits depending on when you ask and who must end up with male lead because he earned it

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*SIGH*

Anon...Sit down for a moment.

I am not sure if you read my about me or not but I should I mention I ship Kataang and my blog is a pro Aang blog!

I was going to write up a big response but I think I should keep this relatively short and sweet.

But to start off...How is Lukanette like Zvtara?! Like how?!

Zvtara was more popular than the canon ships before and after Avatar's run. And while Lukanette was popular for a time, it was by no means more popular than that one ship that shall not be named! If anything Zvtara is just as popular as the LS and Zvtara fanfics are similar to Adrien and Marinette's fucked up """"love story"""". I remember reading ZK fanfics where everyone and I mean everyone pushes Zuko and Katara together, Toph, Iroh, they are all reduced to mouthpieces for the Zvtara fanbase. Kind of similar to the creepy ass Adrie//nette cult in the show. I literally found a fanfic where Iroh and Kanna try to get Zuko and Katara together by shoving them in a freezer together, which reminds me a hell of a lot like M*raculous.

And I am not sure why you Z/tara shippers are once again playing victim. Yes, there are Kataang shippers who arrogantly flaunt their canon but I also seen Z/tara shippers who think me and my peers are delusional for not seeing the """"romantic chemistry"""" between Zuko and Katara. I have seen Z/tara shippers act all smug and think they have better reading comprehension than people who ship canon. Not to mention the ZK shippers who think anyone who doesn't like Z/tara hates woman and all Kataang shippers are white men while all PoC are uncomfortable with the idea of Kataang.

And honestly the people who think everyone who hates Z/tara hates women can seriously fuck off! Shipping isn't activism! Some of you really need to get off the computer and touch some grass! And stop talking for all PoC as well! I am PoC! And the way a lot of Zvtara fanfictions fetishize Katara and make her Zuko's exotic girlfriend makes me uncomfortable. Not to mention the ZK shippers who think Aang would force Katara to let go of her culture (Legend of Korra and the comics proved this wrong) while Zvtara fanfics involve Katara completely letting go of the water tribe to become the perfect fire lady.

Not to mention, my friends and I were bullied by Zvtara shippers! I was bullied by a ZK shipper in her 40's who acts all smug and thought she had moral superiority and had better reading comprehension because she ships ZK. She just complains about cartoons all day.......Yeah! Complaining about cartoons all day is what ZK shippers do I guess.

And I am not sure why you Aang antis and ZK deepthroaters go on and on until kingdom come that Aang never faces consequences. He felt guilty for burning Katara, for kissing her at the wrong time, for Katara putting herself in the line of danger during the desert episode. Aang saved Kyoshi Island when it was attacked by the fire nation, and he felt guilty and saved Katara and Sokka after hiding a letter from their father from them.

Unlike Adrien whom the creators literally said does no wrong or doesn't need to apologize for anything. Chat Noir ate up kissing Ladybug in Oblivio...Aang felt guilty for kissing Katara in Ember Island Players and didn't bother her about it again.

And Aang takes his role as Avatar seriously! Even if it was all so scary and sometimes he wished wasn't a 12-year-old boy with the weight of the world on his shoulders...Which is human. The ML bible confirmed AdriChat doesn't give a crap about being a hero he's just in it for the freedom!

And again...Not sure why you guys think ZK is like Lukanette...Is every non-canon ship "Just like Zoootara ZOMG!" now?!

I mean...Luka and Marinette actually liked each other. Zuko and Katara never showed romantic interest in each other. (But I guess that is a hard pill for you people to swallow) And "Katara falling in love with Aang is unrealistic because i would've chosen Zuko!" isn't a valid argument! And yet ya'll claim Zvtara isn't a self insert ship.

Honestly I have seen more similarities between Lukanette and Kataang. Both are best friends to lovers that are brushed off as "just bros!" People dismiss both shippers by the mere virtue that the other choice is "more attractive". I have heard people said that the two year age gap between Marinette and Luka is creepy...Similar to Kataang.

And honestly the fact you people have been watching Avatar the Last Airbender with your eyes closed thinking Aang never faces the consequences or apologizes reminds me of that old drama of how people honestly felt Marinette never apologized and got off scott free with everything!

And Luka and Aang are two sweet boys who get way too much unwarranted hate!

And don't you dare compare Kataang to the LS! Similar to how not all non-canon ships are like Zvtara (Because I hate to break it to you people...But Zvtara wasn't robbed of anything! There are plenty of non-canon ships done far worse than Zvtara!) Not all canon ships are like the LS!

Kataang had gradual development and Aang and Katara were best friends! They were each other's ride or die! They had so much development that I am surprised you people are shocked that Aang and Katara ended up endgame.

Adrien and Marinette didn't have the same development that Aang and Katara did! Don't even compare Kataang to the loathe square around me!

But hey, if you can't see how awesome Aang is and how beautiful and nuanced Kataang is...Sucks for you I guess.

I think I am done now...Sorry if I wasn't here to validate your overhyped erotic wattpad fantasy ship but......I am not a Zvtara apologist blog and you messed with the wrong person.

Edit: I forgot to note!

One of the biggest fandom woes I dealt with in both fandoms is

ZK shippers being like "Katara never liked Aang!!!"

and LS shippers being like "Marinette never loved Luka!!!"

And I am like "Guys I am tired!"

But hey...Lukanette is toooootally not like KaTaang amirite???

I mean you guys only think Lukanette and Zvtara are similar because they are both non-canon right? Even if Lukanette was canon briefly. As short lived as it was...

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

The Love Square: How Did It Lose Support In the Fandom? (Late 1000 Follower Special)

One of the main selling points of Miraculous Ladybug has always been the Love Square. Let's be honest, while there have been a lot of “will they or won't they?” plotlines in TV, very few of them have really had a dynamic like this. The closest thing I can really think that comes to the Love Square is the growing relationship between Usagi and Mamoru in the first season of Sailor Moon, and even then, the only romance at first was between the two in their hero forms before we found out they were reincarnations of two lovers from thousands of years ago.

The point I'm trying to make is that every Miraculous fan at some point supported the Love Square, whether they continue to ship it to this day, or stopped shipping it after a while. But lately, more people have been turning on the Love Square and the romantic plotlines in Miraculous in general. So I want to dedicate this post to analyzing the Love Square across the past six years, the other romantic “rivals”, and how its all impacted the show.

I think I can summarize what changed in the way the Love Square was written and why it lost its charm, interestingly enough, in four points. So, let's kick off this Anti-Love Square with...

#1: The Lack of Interactions between Marinette and Adrien

Obviously the main draw of the Love Square for man was to see the ways Marinette and Adrien could interact with each other in their different identities. Adrienette, Ladynoir, Marichat, and Ladrien all have interesting setups for different interactions.

Most of the Ladrien episodes tend to show Ladybug and Adrien acting slightly nervous but excited to be around each other, which is an interesting idea in my opinion. It does a good job at representing that stage in your life when you're dating or developing feelings for someone for the first time, and you don't really see anything wrong with them.

Most of the Marichat episodes tend to show Marinette and Cat Noir talking casually while acting like they don't know each other, and is one of the more popular sides of the Square. From what little what we've gotten, Marienette and Cat Noir could be good friends if they got to spend more time together.

Most of the Ladynoir episodes tend to show more romantic tension between Ladybug and Cat Noir, with Cat Noir blatantly making romantic moves towards her, while she has to turn him down because she loves someone else, of course playing off the irony that Cat Noir is the someone else.

And most of the Adrienette episodes tend to show Marinette trying to admit her feelings to Adrien while Adrien remains blissfully unaware of her feelings, making Marinette doubt if he could ever see her that way.

Obviously, there's a lot of potential for interactions here, and we got some episodes in Season 1 that really took advantage of the Love Square.

Of course Ladynoir got the most focus in terms of interactions, but we also got “Stormy Weather”, “Lady Wifi”, and “Dark Cupid” for episodes that really put their relationship at the forefront by showing off their chemistry and dedication to each other, like Cat Noir respecting Ladybug's wishes to keep her identity a secret, and Ladybug having to kiss Cat Noir just to save him, despite how uncomfortable it was for both of them at the time.

We also got some Adrienette episodes in the form of “Kung Food” and “The Gamer”. As... questionable as the themes in the former were, we still got to see Adrien and Marinette interact like normal people with Adrien helping to explain some cultural touchstones to Marinette (I didn't say all the interactions were good, did I?) and Marinette simply talking with him in the park while they snack during the latter.

The big Marichat episode was “The Evillustrator”, with Cat Noir being told to look after Marinette as she goes on her date with an akumatized civilian, leading to a great scene where the two work together to escape a trap by the titular Akuma. It was decent to see how Adrien wanted to put on a flirtatious image around someone other than Marinette, showing how this is how he wants to be seen as Cat Noir, but it unfortunately doesn't go anywhere.

And the big Ladrien episode is “Simon Says”, where Ladybug has to look after Adrien when he and his father are targeted by the Akuma of that episode, which segues into some cute interactions between the two where they're both blushing messes, especially the shower scene.

Even putting all those aside, we still get small moments of all sides of the square, like Adrien asking for Marinette's autograph (Guitar Villain), Cat Noir looking out for Marinette and bantering with her briefly (The Gamer), Ladybug being torn up by Cat Noir's “death” (Timebreaker), and more. The first season generally does a good job building up every side of the square and making sure there's interaction between Marinette and Adrien outside of superhero stuff. We still got that stuff in early Season 2 with episodes like “Riposte”, “Gorizilla”, “Glaciator” (again, I didn't say these episodes were all good, just that they focused on a part of the square), and “Frightengale”, but something seemed to change later on.

In hindsight, there were several warning signs towards the end of Season 2, with episodes like “Troublemaker” and “Frozer”, where it seemed like Marinette was struggling to talk to Adrien more than usual, when she was shown to be able to hold a conversation with Adrien in earlier episodes (Kung Food, The Gamer). Coincidentally, Season 2 was when Astruc got more involved in the writing process. I wonder if there's a connection...

And then we got Season 3, where there were far less episodes focusing on different sides of the Love Square. On the one hand, I can understand because this was the season where there were far more plot-focused episodes, but even the episodes with subplots about Marinette doing a thing to impress Adrien started to lose their goodwill with the audience, like when she teamed up with Chloe to sabotage a potential rival for his feelings (Animaestro), sneaked into an all-guys party at Adrien's house (Party Crasher), tried to confess her feelings for him on the anniversary of his mother's not-death (Felix), and was shown to have already made gifts for Adrien's next 35 birthdays (Chrismaster). All of these happened while there were less episodes where Marinette and Adrien got to interact in their different forms outside of the Akuma fights.

While the more Adrienette-centric episode, “Startrain”, had a nice scene where the two slept together and the other kids in their class supported them,  the Ladrien episode, “Desperada”, only served to highlight how unhealthy the way Ladybug and Adrien viewed each other was (which I'll talk about in a little bit), and the Marichat episode, “Weredad”, was basically dedicated to showing how much Astruc hates the pairing by having the two vehemently deny their feelings for each other while thinking having Plagg and Tikki acknowledge how frustrating the Love Square is at this point is a cute meta joke and not screwing with the audience by doing nothing about the Love Square. I'm not making this up when Astruc once said on Twitter that there can't be any Marichat scenes because of the “irony”.

Dude! This is the focal point of your show! I don't care if he's implying the irony that Marinette and Cat Noir don't know who the other is is what makes it a romantic moment when he's ignoring the potential idea of the two possibly developing feelings because the whole idea behind the Love Square is the two developing feelings for each other by interacting with their civilian and superhero identities respectively. Instead, he just said a side of the Love Square essentially doesn't matter because THIS IS WHAT THOMAS ASTRUC ACTUALLY BELIEVES.

Added to that, Season 3 showed Marinette struggling to spend time with Adrien, not just because the writers might think hearing Cristina Vee stumble over her dialogue is the funniest thing in the world, but because Adrien gets shoved into the background of some episodes and only gets a few lines before transforming into Cat Noir.

Like Season 3, the lack of exploration of the other sides of the Square in Season 4 can be explained due to the increased focus on the overarching story and the schism in Ladybug and Cat Noir's partnership, there were still way too many scenes exaggerating Marinette's weird behavior around Adrien, especially her stuttering. It's why “Mr. Pigeon 72” and “Glaciator 2” are really hard episodes to get through for me. And remember, this is supposed to be the season where Marinette steps up and embraces her newfound responsibility as Guardian, yet she still can't muster up the courage to talk to Adrien?

Like, how did they expect us to react to seeing the same joke being repeated over and over again? “DUDE, THOSE SCENES WHERE MARINETTE FAILS TO TALK TO ADRIEN ARE SO FUCKING FUNNY, THEY MAKE ME WANT TO MERGE WITHOUT LOOKING!” Then again, considering Astruc thinks “Backwarder”, an episode focused on Marinette humiliation, is one of the funniest ones, that might be an accurate statement.

It gets even more frustrating when even after four seasons, Marinette is STILL struggling to even hang out with Adrien on her own when they spent time together in other countries (the New York and Shanghai specials), while Adrien “Has Legions of Fangirls” Agreste doesn't even think Marinette is the slightest bit attracted to him. It's moments like this that are why he has the reputation of being an oblivious moron among the fandom. I get that they can't spend all of their time together, but you would think for the main pairing of the show, there would be more interactions between Marinette and Adrien, not helped by...

#2: The Fact That Both Marinette and Adrien Put Each Other on a Pedestal (And the Unhealthy Behavior It Causes)

When we're younger, we tend to view certain people and relationships in a different light than we do now. While it can be an issue at any age, it's especially prevalent as a teenager figuring out how this whole romance thing works. This is also true with the way both Marinette and Adrien view their crushes, but unfortunately, neither of them really learns the problem with this mentality.

With both Marinette and Adrien, they both tend to view the other in an ideal light that gives them the drive to keep pursuing the other, Marinette for Adrien and Cat Noir for Ladybug. While the idea of them showing a high level of admiration for the other is an interesting one, but more often than not, it does more to show how unhealthy this dynamic is.

Take Marinette's feelings for Adrien for example. While I can understand the idea of the show sort of exaggerating her crush on Adrien like a celebrity crush, more often than not, it becomes very creepy and unsettling to watch. Episodes like “Rogercop”, and “Desperada” show off how highly Marinette views Adrien, and how much of a bias she shows toward him, but she only gets called out on it so she can learn the moral for those two episodes, so the lesson on how to view Adrien never sticks. Other than that, there's also the countless times she manages to follow Adrien in an attempt to confess her feelings to him (Stormy Weather, Gamer, Volpina, Oni-Chan, Party Crasher, Mr. Pigeon 72, Glaciator 2, Simpleman), the times she's said she has his schedule memorized (Gigantitan, Shanghai Special), the times she's attempted to sabotage one of her potential rivals for his affection (Animaestro, Ikari Gozen) or the times she's taken her admiration for Adrien to uncomfortable levels by touching things associated with him (The Puppeteer 2, Cat Blanc).

This isn't funny or a charming quirk. It's uncomfortable to watch for a variety of reasons. Obviously, the fact that Marinette rarely gets called out for her behavior is a horrible lesson to teach anyone, no matter the age. Even after episodes where she talks to Adrien and gets to know him more, her attraction to him comes across more as a physical one, as if she's only head over heels for him because of how pretty he is, despite the show acting like she gets what he's really like. If this was actually part of a character arc for Marinette to go through where she learns to appreciate Adrien for more than his beauty like Astruc likes to claim, I'd get it. Instead, all we get are unfunny jokes about Marinette simping over Adrien and memorizing his schedule to the point where it's common for the fandom to label her as a stalker.

Because a majority of the Marinette storylines in the show revolve around her feelings for Adrien, it only puts her flawed view of him on full display. And do I even need to mention that Astruc himself thinks that Marinette's crush on Adrien counts as a personality trait?

THIS IS WHAT THOMAS ASTRUC ACTUALLY BELIEVES.

As for Adrien, he's obviously just as guilty of having a strange view of the girl he loves, Ladybug, only for different reasons. Adrien clearly has this idealized view of Ladybug ever since “Origins”, and like Marinette with her crush, sees it as an excuse to do whatever it takes to become an item with Ladybug. Throughout the show, Adrien has attempted to kiss Ladybug or confess his feelings to her as Cat Noir, has gotten turned down multiple times by Ladybug, yet still doesn't see anything wrong with his behavior (Stormy Weather, Rogercop, Prime Queen, Glaciator, Frozer, Weredad, Glaciator 2). He constantly violates Ladybug's personal boundaries, refuses to see the problem with this, and it could honestly qualify as sexual harassment with how often he does it. Hell, there have been episodes where he was supposedly turned down by Ladybug, and when he got pissy over it, he blamed her for his problems (Frozer, Glaciator 2). You can basically describe a lot of Cat Noir's behavior during the Ladynoir-centric episodes with this one quote with how entitled he feels he is to Ladybug's feelings.

Of course, the one time he actually realized how uncomfortable Ladybug was in “Glaciator 2”, it was after she had to toss him into a trash can in the middle of a fight and scream how much they weren't an item, and even then, he went back to his old ways by the end of the episode.

And just like Marinette, we're supposed to see Cat Noir's obsession with Ladybug as a charming little quirk, as if we're supposed to encourage this behavior. “Lies” was an episode that really highlighted how immature Cat Noir is, as he was excited at the idea of someone getting akumatized because it meant he could see Ladybug, without understanding the amount of stress the girl he supposedly loves is under now that she's Guardian.

Yes, you can see Cat Noir can be loyal to Ladybug as a partner, but there are times where he fails to see how fallible of a person she really is, or will take the chance to revel at the slightest amount of encouragement. While Ladybug and Cat Noir kissed during “Dark Cupid” and “Oblivio”, even though the context for both instances was very specific, Adrien sees it as proof that they're meant to be, as if one kiss is all it takes to confirm their feelings for one another. Now, this could be an interesting idea to show how romance isn't as easy as fairy tales make it out to be (a deconstructive take Disney has experimented with in the past decade), but we never get told that what Adrien does is wrong, and because this is obviously the endgame ship, the show is pretty much saying this mentality is okay.

Adrien's entitlement can be especially bad in scenarios he really should have learned a lesson from. Take the infamous episode, “Ladybug”, which was where I lost a lot of my tolerance for Cat Noir before Season 4 showed me he could sink even lower than that. To recap, Mayura created a Sentimonster copy of Ladybug to covertly steal Cat Noir's Miraculous while supposedly confessing his love to him, but is stopped by Ladybug. This is a standard television cliche, where one character has to figure out who is the real person, and who is the impostor. You would think that for how much the show says Cat Noir understands Ladybug, he would realize that the ideal Ladybug who randomly confessed his love for him isn't real, right? NOPE! Instead, Cat Noir falls for the evil doppelganger, and is never called out on it. How the hell do you screw up one of the most standard conflicts in TV history, and not even give it any lasting consequences?

This really should have been a wake-up call for Adrien, or at least, a sign he needs to reevaluate his views on Ladybug. You're telling me we're still supposed to believe that he really understands Ladybug when he literally fell for an evil doppelganger who only “proved herself” because she gave him what he wanted? Again, if this was a flaw that Adrien needed to work on, I'd get it, but this betrayal of Ladybug's trust and the audience's common sense is never mentioned again, even in the episode. Because I guess it's more dramatic to see the evil clone's death than it is to see Ladybug lose faith in her partner, am I right? Also, remember how when something very similar happened in Season 4, and Marinette actually faced consequences for what happened? Funny how something bad happened to her in that situation, but Adrien got off scot-free in “Ladybug”.

And despite all of these examples, we're supposed to see Marinette and Adrien as being the only people who understand each other more than their other friends and family. With “Origins”, Marinette supposedly fell in love with Adrien because he showed her kindness and gave her his umbrella. A decent idea, but beyond that, not much is done to show how this affects Marinette, and what other qualities she likes in him. Ironically, it makes her seem just as shallow as Chloe and Lila with how often she gushes over his beauty. Adrien is slightly better, as he at least saw a more vulnerable side of Ladybug before she established herself as Paris' guardian, showing that while she is very courageous, she has a tender side. But like with Marinette's feelings for Adrien, Cat Noir's feelings for Ladybug just seem surface-level as he always has this idealized view of Ladybug in his head without really seeing how flawed she was in “Origins”.

The point I'm trying to make is that even though the show keeps saying Marinette and Adrien understand each other more than anyone else, the show rarely explores this bond, and as a result, does nothing to really get us invested in them as characters. Of course, the show keeps trying anyway, which leads to my next point...

#3: The Way We're Told to Ship Them and Not Shown

A hallmark of romantic stories is giving the audience reasons to support whatever pairing is being focused on in different ways, mainly through showing how compatible they are with each other. Obviously, this isn't what the show tries to do with the Love Square.

Now to be fair, there were some genuine attempts to show how similar Marinette and Adrien are. “The Gamer” and “Guitar Villain” were episodes that revealed that Marinette and Adrien shared some of the same interests and gave them some decent interactions where it felt like they got to know each other better. If we got more episodes like this, it would be a lot easier to see the two as a couple. Season 2 also showed Marinette and Adrien getting some more personal interactions, like the dance scene in “Despair Bear”, the semi-date they went on in “Gorizilla”, and the kiss at the end of “Heroes' Day”. It felt like after seeing Marinette all but show Adrien what her feelings for him were like with a kiss, Season 3 would be the turning point in their relationship when they started to grow closer and become an official couple. What did Season 3 actually do to progress the Love Square?

Yeah, like a lot of stuff in this show, Season 3 was really where I lost my tolerance for dragging out the Love Square stuff. Not only did the show completely ignore the kiss at the end of Season 2, it really went out of its way to either distance Marinette from Adrien, play up her anxiety and erratic behavior around him, or generally humiliate her whenever she tries to get closer for her crush. Yes, her behavior when talking to/about Adrien in some episodes really wasn't acceptable (Animaestro, Desperada, Chris Master, Party Crasher, The Puppeteer 2, Cat Blanc, Felix), but other times, whenever Marinette tried to do the simple thing and try and figure out how to confess to him, she either got screwed over or humiliated in some way (Backwarder, Reflekdoll, Cat Blanc, Felix). Yes, this was done in earlier episodes (Stormy Weather, The Bubbler, Dark Cupid, Gigantitan, Glaciator, Troublemaker, Frozer), but those were early on into the show's run. Nobody expected Marinette and Adrien to get together by the end of the first or second season, but you can't say it's bad to be impatient when you're three seasons in and you can count the number of conversations Marinette has with Adrien without stuttering on one hand, with no sign of any meaningful development. The writers really wanted to maintain the status quo here, only it was to the detriment of the Love Square.

“Weredad” in particular was an episode that really highlighted how nonexistant Marinette and Adrien's chemestry was, and how the writers really didn't get the idea that part of the appeal of the Love Square was seeing the potential interactions from all four sides. Thanks to a misunderstanding, both Marinette and Cat Noir are mistaken as a couple by Tom, leading to a conflict of interest between Marinette and her parents. This could have lead to an interesting character study for both Marinette and Adrien, as this opened the possibility of the two starting to consider their other alter egos in a romantic light. Instead, neither of them think twice about giving this accidental relationship a chance, decide to break it off in an over the top fashion, all while the writers have the balls to make meta jokes about how ironic this is. “Isn't it funny how frustrating this plotline is? Are you laughing yet? If you aren't, we'll save the reveal for Season 11.” This could have worked, but rather than explore Marinette and Adrien's feelings for each other through the use of Marichat in this episode, they make it more about how bad Marinette's dad feels about the breakup instead of Marinette or Adrien. How does this show expect us to get invested in these two as a couple when they barely get to build chemistry together and interact like human beings?

It feels like the writers are subconsciously aware of this, as there are a lot of episodes where characters like Alya are leading the charge to get Marinette to confess

Other episodes try to make them seem like they're close friends, like “Riposte”, “The Puppeteer 2”, the New York Special, and “Psycomedian”. “Psycomedian” in particular tried to make the idea of Adrien laughing at Marinette's eccentric behavior, something she's deeply ashamed of, a heartwarming thing that makes it seem like he accepts her flaws... I think. And who can forget when Adrien claimed that Marinette was one of his best friends in “Ephemeral”? Seriously, outside of the whole humor thing established in “Psycomedian”, we don't get a lot of reasons as to why Adrien sees Marinette in such a good light. At least with Ladybug and Cat Noir, Ladybug is able to appreciate his humor and willingness to comfort her when things get tough, but we don't get that in their civilian lives. Sure, they try something like that towards the end of Season 4, but all Marinette did was talk to Adrien when he looked visibly upset while nobody thought to do the same thing. “Wow, you showed basic social awareness. You really understand Adrien more than anyone else, Marinette.” The show barely does anything to show how close Marinette and Adrien view each other, platonically or romantically.

But now, let's talk about the seven dirty words that even the ghost of George Carlin isn't willing to say: “Those two are made for each other”. While the phrase were a few passing mentions of it towards the end of the first season (Princess Fragrance, Origins), it got used more after the New York Special, as if the writers thought this would catch on as a meme like “She's just a friend” did. Not only did Aeon and Jessica, two people who didn't even know Marinette and Adrien, say it in that special, but Kagami said it at the end of “Mr. Pigeon 72”, and even Andre during “Glaciator 2”.

So many characters have to tell us how it's supposedly obvious that Marinette and Adrien are the perfect couple within five seconds of meeting them, instead of giving us a reason to actually care about them being a couple. Even their alter egos aren't immune to this mentality, as whenever there's a big report on Ladybug and Cat Noir kissing, everyone is willing to ignore the context and see it as proof that they're an item (Prime Queen, Oblivio, Glaciator 2). It gets to the point where the only people who aren't actively shipping Adrienette or Ladynoir are the villains. Remember how we were supposed to hate Kagami for supposedly being a roadblock for Marinette in her quest to get together with Adrien, even though she wasn't nearly as mean as Chloe or Lila were? 

That's a pretty good way to summarize the way the writers view the audience's perception of the Love Square. As soon as anyone gets in the way, good or bad, they're automatically an enemy for daring to stop Marinette and Adrien (who are totally made for each other, you guys) from being together. It's especially rich when you remember all the times the writers have dragged out the plotline in ways that had nothing to do with Kagami, Chloe, or Lila, yet we're supposed to act like these three dragging out the plotline is far worse than any other episode that does nothing to progress Marinette and Adrien's relationship. And speaking of, let's get into our final point...

#4: The Lengths the Writers Will Go to Drag Out the Plotline (And Why It’s Ultimately Detrimental to Both Characters)

Look, I get that the Love Square is the main attraction according to the writers, and that the buildup to Marinette and Adrien getting together is one of the primary story arcs in the show, so we shouldn't expect them to get together by the end of the second season. The biggest problem I have with the Love Square isn't just how dragged out the dynamic is, but how the current situation with the Love Square harms both Marinette and Adrien as characters.

Something the show really wants to remind the audience of is how deep Marinette and Adrien's feelings for the other is, as a majority of the episodes throughout the entire series revolve around Marinette or Adrien attempting to make a move on the other in some way through whatever zany scheme they come up with (Stormy Weather, The Bubbler, Copycat, Mr. Pigeon, Dark Cupid, Horrificator, Kung Food, The Gamer, Reflekta, Volpina, Riposte, Gigantitan, Glaciator, Frozer, Heroes' Day, Animaestro, Backwarder, Reflekdoll, Weredad, Onichan, Desperada, Ikari Gozen, Party Crasher, The Puppeteer 2, Cat Blanc, Felix, Ladybug, New York Special, Shanghai Special, Mr. Pigeon 72, Psycomedian, Glaciator 2, Simpleman, Ephemeral, Kuro Neko, Risk). When the complicated relationship between Marinette and Adrien is put at the forefront with no signs of any character or plot development, it only serves to highlight how poor the overarching story is.

Most people were okay with some of the writing in Season 1, with episodes like “Copycat” and “Volpina” being starting points for Marinette and Adrien to grow more as characters and get to know each other. Unfortunately, as the show progressed, both of them essentially stayed the same, though Astruc will still claim Marinette being forced into becoming the Guardian somehow counts as character development.

THIS IS WHAT THOMAS ASTRUC ACTUALLY BELIEVES.

Yes, Astruc said he wanted to keep the characters consistent as a way for new views to ease into, but this makes it damn near impossible for any kind of development to happen. You can't have this both ways. You need to decide on making this a fun Saturday morning cartoon with no high stakes, or a serialized cartoon with shifting character dynamics and a changing status quo. If you want people to take the Love Square seriously, you need to focus on making the show as a whole the latter. Unfortunately, the show tends to lean more into the former, so Marinette and Adrien's perception of the other never really changes on any corner of the Love Square, even after four seasons. Again, Season 1 should have been a starting point. Nobody thought the dynamic between Marinette and Adrien would be almost exactly the same as it was, with the exception of them occasionally referring to the other as a friend for some reason.

And because so much focus goes into the Love Square, and the way both Marinette and Adrien act in the name of their respective crushes, they rarely get called out on their boundary-pushing behavior. Because I guess it's okay to do morally questionable things in the name of love, am I right? Marinette never gets called out for trying to steal Adrien's phone to delete a message (Copycat), trying to frame Adrien's bodyguard for a parking violation (Gigantitan), trying to humiliate Kagami in order to ruin her chances with Adrien (Animaestro), or trying to sabotage one of his photoshoots just so she has an excuse to talk to him (Simpleman). Meanwhile, Adrien never gets called out for lying about being in a relationship with Ladybug (Copycat), acting like he was stood up by Ladybug when she never confirmed she would be free for their “date” (Glaciator), trying to use a Miraculous he isn't familiar with just to get brownie points with Ladybug in his civilian life (Desperada), or refusing to realize Ladybug isn't interested in him even after getting beat up by her in frustration (Glaciator 2). It's been four seasons since this show started, both Marinette and Adrien have done terrible things, yet rather than use this as a point to show how they can grow like what Crazy Ex-Girlfriend did with its main character, the writers either gloss over this behavior, make jokes about how weird it is, or have other characters try to justify it.

This is a terrible way to portray any main character, and the fact that Astruc sees nothing wrong with either of them really shows how he doesn't understand the idea of writing romance.

But it seems like the writers weren't sure how else they could pad out the show's runtime, so they decided to introduce some more sides to make this Love Square a Love Hexagon in the form of Luka and Kagami. The main idea behind secondary love interests is to add drama to the current romantic subplot. Before Friends really started to run the Ross and Rachael subplot into the ground, Julie made for an interesting complication in the second season. Just as Rachel was coming to terms with her feelings for Ross, Ross himself was seemingly starting to move on from his feelings for Rachael through his relationship with Julie, leading into them eventually getting together for the first time. It's clear that Luka and Kagami were meant to fill the same role that Julie had, making Marinette and Adrien reevaluate their feelings for each other, but the problem was that their dynamic didn't really change as a result. Sure, there were some episodes where Marinette was conflicted on whether she really had feelings for Adrien or Luka (Captain Hardrock, Frozer, Silencer), but it wasn't enough to have much of an impact on her feelings for Adrien, which got a lot more focus in the second and third seasons. As for Kagami, she arguably got it worse because Adrien seemed less conflicted and seemed to care more for Ladybug than he did her, not helped by her focus episodes not doing much to build up her relationship with Adrien (Riposte, Onichan, Ikari Gozen).

But hey, maybe some time in a real relationship for the first time was what Marinette and Adrien needed to really learn what they need to do to make their romantic lives work, right? It's too bad the writers never considered that, because Lukanette and Adrigami ended as soon as they started. Sure, the idea of their breakups being explained away by their conflicting feelings mixed with the stress of being superheroes sounds interesting (funny how the writers never considered that could screw up Adrienette, isn't it?), but even if you aren't a hardcore shipper, it's hard to get invested in these relationships because we didn't get to see how their lives changed outside of a single episode.

While Ross and Julie broke up offscreen, there was still plenty of time dedicated to showing how genuine their bond was, and why it was so hard for Ross to choose between her and Rachael. Here, it feels like the writers had no idea how to write either pair, so they broke them up to make things easier and go back to the stuff they're comfortable with, the Love Square. This whole fiasco really shows how much time the writers are willing to waste if it means drawing out the Love Square, no matter how contrived the drama could be. It just leaves you asking what the point of focusing on these relationships was if they would ultimately amount to nothing?

And even if the writers try to build up the idea of how awesome these two would be as a couple, seeing how they're made for each other, they can't even do that right without showing how terrible things could be if Marinette and Adrien got together. It's pretty clear that “Cat Blanc” and “Ephemeral” were episodes meant to explain why it's too dangerous for Marinette and Adrien to get together and know each other's identity, but it ultimately gave people more reasons to not support them as a couple. Both episodes essentially followed the same premise: Marinette and Adrien learn each other's identity (in “Cat Blanc”, it's by accident, but in “Ephemeral”, it's on purpose), but as soon as Gabriel learned his son was Cat Noir, he decided to psychologically torment him and causes the end of the world.

We're meant to see this as a reason why it's too risky for Marinette and Adrien to be in a relationship, but the issue is the negative connotations that come with these episodes and how Astruc himself likes to explain them. With “Cat Blanc”, Marinette's plan to deliver a present for Adrien by sneaking into his room as Ladybug, as innocent as it was in concept (pillow sniffing aside), the episode said that the reason the world itself ended was because Marinette delivered said present to Adrien, which caused Gabriel to accidentally find out his identity and eventually akumatize him into Cat Blanc. They didn't say Gabriel, as in, the main villain who can brainwash anyone having a bad day, is the major reason as to why it's too dangerous for Marinette and Adrien to know each other's identites. Instead, they framed the simple act of Marinette trying to give Adrien a present and potentially confess her feeling to her with no intention of finding out he's really a superhero, as what ultimately caused the end of the world. Bunnix and Cat Blanc himself said that the act was caused it, not Gabriel for akumatizing Adrien in the first place. And don't forget when Astruc himself claimed that she caused the Blancpocalypse and billions of deaths for the unforgivable crime of wanting to give Adrien a hat.

THIS IS WHAT THOMAS ASTRUC ACTUALLY BELIEVES.

And while it isn't as bad in “Ephemeral”, as their relationship was only secondary to how they function as partners, when talking about the episode on Twitter, Astruc once again blamed Marinette for starting to date Adrien and once again caused the end of the world, according to his twisted logic.

THIS IS WHAT THOMAS ASTRUC ACTU—You know what? You get the point.

This is a terrible message to convey, as it states that Marinette doing something for Adrien, or even trying to take a risk by starting a relationship with him is a terrible idea, because both times we saw them become a couple, Gabriel exploited it through no fault of their own. I know it sounds like I'm only bringing up how this is bad for Marinette, but the point I'm trying to make is that in general, despite constantly telling the audience to advocate for Marinette and Adrien eventually becoming an item, whenever it's actually shown in canon, it leads to something bad. It ultimately paints the idea of Marinette and Adrien revealing their identities to each other as something we should dread, not something we should look forward to. If we're supposed to want Marinette and Adrien to get together, how come both times it's actually happened, it ends in tragedy, and said tragedy is blamed on their relationship?

Conclusion

I don't think anyone wanted to end up hating the Love Square as much as they do now. Like a lot of things in this show, there was clearly a lot of potential to use here, but unfortunately, it was squandered by a terrible execution. Marinette and Adrien have been shown to be a terrible match for each other because of their own behavior and personal issues. And of course, if you don't like the Love Square, you have no choice but to deal with this show's attempt to make us ship Adrienette, but only ends up making us hate the ship more than ever.

As of the time of this post (June 7th, 2022), Season 5 is about to premiere next week. Supposedly, the reveal will happen for real sometime this season, but it doesn't sound as exciting to me as it should be. Rather than be eager to see Marinette and Adrien realize their feelings for each other, I just want to see the show finally put this subplot to rest with them deciding to hook up as soon as they figure out each other's identities. It's pretty sad that this is the kind of mentality I have regarding the state of this subplot, isn't it?

[fandomsarebrainless]

Do I care about Adrien? Not really. He is and always has been designed to be incredibly bland so that he has no faults for Marinette. These writers as we've seen can't write a complex character to save their children. Which is why I don't feel the same empathy for him as I do Chloé. The plot will save him because dare he have conflict. I know it's hypocritical, but what am I supposed to do? The show hasn't given me any reason to care about him and is more concerned with his love life than his downplayed abuse. Which is why it's fucking downplayed to begin with.

[brickercupmasterx3]

I'm not going to lie but the whole Ladybug is a huge mess, I can't deal with Mari...Her friends are honestly to stupid to realize that she WANTS to forget about Adrien but I feel like thet are forcing her to like him. Idk..I guess I'm fed up with the series thst I can't stand it anymore...It makes me sad really.

Only more the reason why I quit the show, anon. I cannot and will not stand for mistreatment of Mari. I'm actually SUPER CLOSE to rewriting ML to fit my own canon & standards. One where Adrien will actually face consequences for his actions, because it's downright ridiculous that he can get away with absolutely everything, whereas Marinette faces all the backlash & consequences as if she doesn't already go through enough! Marinette has too many responsibilities! LET THE POOR GIRL BE HAPPY FOR ONCE, DAMN IT! So yeah... I hate canon and I can't even be bothered to follow along with it anymore. Luka & Kagami supporting Adrienette? Eww... No! THAT'S THE LAST THING SHE NEEDS! Those two can't possibly be this dumb! Kagami broke up with Adrien for a reason, so why would she push Mari forward to get with her ex? She would be so much smarter than that. And Luka? >_> I love this boy to bits and pieces, but please... he's also so much smarter than this. He needs to protect the girl he loves and see that Mari clearly is uncomfortable with "Adrienette". He's made her feel safe for so long, that she needs that safe space again... Away from Adrien, and just with him. Also what’s with the whole Kagami & Lila suddenly being bffs thing that I heard about? Umm... No. I do not approve of that. I know I'm extremely biased and I will NOT apologize for it. I do plan to bring back some ML content soon, but I won't make promises as to when.

[miraculermarinette]

Determination was so frustrating. As a Lukanette shipper, having Kagami and Luka both support and push the love square was plain annoying. 

[emixion]

I cannot stop thinking about how outraged I am on Marinette’s behalf that the show writers have decided to suddenly make her in love with the person who’s been ignoring her rejection for the past 4 seasons straight.

[most-canon-non-canon-ship-poll]

i fucking hate them

Why Marichat/Ladynoir/Adrienette/Love Square/Etc is shit - a submission-based essay, part 2/2

Whatever the fuck it's called - a canon (endgame?) het ship from the Miraculous Ladybug fandom between Marinette (Ladybug) Dupain-Chang and Adrien (Chat Noir) Agreste

The narrative puts a lot of comparisons between her feelings toward Adrien and Adrien's Supervillain father's feelings toward Adrien's (presumably dead) mother, without ever really calling attention to the fact that marinette's kind of descending into unhealthy areas. Much like Adrien's entitlement to Ladybug, Marinette's obsession is never called out as anything other than to either point and laugh at or coo over how 'devoted' it is. Also all of those words i gave you up top about marinette being overworked with too much responcibility on her back were only about 5% of episodes 10% are friend drama, and the other 85% have something to do with Adrien or Chat Noir in a significant way in marinette's plot. this show couldn't pass the bechdel test ONCE. Not to mention that literally everyone except for the 'mean cruel bullies that only want Adrien for themselves' all SUPER TOTALLY SHIP THEM YOU GUYS. At one point a normal kid also wanted to date adrien but when she broke up with him she immediately turned to marinette and said 'hes perf for u tho sweetie' literally at one point in a special two new characters are introduced and spend 90% of their time on screen trying to get them together, not for some sort of 'oh we already knew marinette or adrien and we want them together bc they'll be happy' no literally these two complete strangers look at these two complete strangers and go 'Oh those two are MEANT TO BEEEE' and go out of their way to matchmake alongside their friends. Speaking of their friends a lot of Marinette's schemes to woo Adrien aren't even her own, they're mostly orchestrated by her friend group to where Marinette is a reluctant at best patron of. (except for when she makes wooing plans on her own then her friends think it's annoying and that they have better things to do point and laugh at the cringe please) at two separate points the show goes out of its way to be like 'if you two get together rn the whole world is doomed btw' one of which it's implied to have pretty seriously traumatized marinette btw, but please keep pointing and laughing at her venting to what she believes to be a wax replica of Adrien and nerely kissing him only to reveal it was Actual adrien that whole time pretending to be a wax statue for... idk to mess with marinette? she clearly thought she was alone and was spinning her private thoughts and he doesn't even apologize for what was technically an innocent prank that went way too far too quick But never mind all that never mind all that because they had enough 'cute' scenes in the first two seasons that the fans at this point are so thoroughly emotionally invested that they scream about it anyway no matter how it's going to get. #niceguy that unironically says m'lady and stalker with a stutter are MEANT TO BEEEEEEEE and if you even imply otherwise on a twitter post the literal showrunner will subtweet you calling you an idiot that doesn't understand the nuances of his perfect flawless never bad ever ever ever show.

[western-magical-girl-confessions]

“I genuinely don't understand why people find the Love Square interesting. It's perfectly serviceable but given we've seen multiple renditions of what it'd be like when they get together in the show, it's hard to be intrigued or invested in it. There's no mystery or wonder to it, and whenever we get it the show just retcons it away anyway. Fanfic pairings are more interesting because we haven't seen them already and we get pairings that aren't retconned/over in an episode.”

[timidgarden7]

How to easily trigger miraculous fans...

Kagome and Inuyasha are better protagonists than Marinette and Adrien will ever be and they are also teens as well (Inu is a teen, he is stated to be 15 like Kagome not 200+). Plus Inukag is ten times better than entirety of Love Square and It isn't love build on obsession and image of perfection. They at least have a decent chemistry unlike stupid love square.

(edit because I was too aggressive and not kind)

Sorry but you need to respect my opinion. I will never like a ship which is build on obsession and not on chemistry.

[empressofthesunwriter]

Isekai'd as Chloe

You were watching Miraculous Ladybug on your phone as your bus got hit by a truck. You died, it sucks. But a godly being gives you the chance to start anew in a brand new world. Sadly it's Miraculous, with all the plotholes, and flat characters, and don't forget worshipped while being a sexual abuser Adrien Agreste/Chat Noir. Could your day get any worse? You shouldn't have asked because you were reborn as Chloe and forgot who Papillion was. Someone wanted to see you suffer, that was sure! But you wouldn't give them the satisfaction. It was time to throw canon out of the window and make Miraculous a better show or in your case world!

Main Pairing: Reader/Luka Couffaine/Marinette Dupain-Cheng

26.06.2023: Here is the improved and longer version of the chapter, hope you like it ^^

Chapter 8: Noir VS. Blanc

“I should have now!”, you said under your breath as you run for cover to transform. Thank the Kwamis Chat Blanc was more interested in destroying buildings than hurting people, at least that. “I should have now Agreste wouldn’t accept that he couldn’t be Chat Noir anymore! Of course, Papillion would get to him.”

You finally found an abandoned alleyway and let Plagg out of your purse.

The kwami of destruction had his flippers crossed.

“Now, now, don’t blame yourself too much. Only Papillion is to blame here and don’t start with you shouldn’t have or you should have, we can never know what can happen.”

You blinked surprised at him.

“That actually was good advice.”

“Whatever, transform so I can go back to my nap.”

“And just like that it’s over.”

Still, you called for your transformation. You hoped Marinette was already transformed as you called her from your Baton to her Yoyo.

“Calamity, I bet you already know what’s up.”, greeted Ladybug’s voice.

“Difficult to not, when this crazy white cat destroys anything in his fucking way.”

“We need a plan before he hurts someone!”

“I have one.”, you told her with a sign. “But you aren’t gonna like it.”

“…How much I’m not gonna like it?”

“A lot, but Blanc thinks with his dick, that’s the best strategy against him.”

“What?”

You started to explain your plan. Indeed Ladybug didn’t like it, but after some good arguments from you, she agreed that this would be the best.

You bet she would take after this a long shower. Not that you could blame her.

As Adrien- no he was Chat Blanc now awoke today and didn’t find HIS ring, his whole world collapsed.

How should he now see his lady?

How should he now get out of his house?

How should he now live happily ever after with Ladybug after she finished playing hard to get?

Chat Blanc didn’t have an answer, but the purple butterfly, who hand flew in the camembert wheel carton in his hand did.

Maybe he and his lady were too hard on Papillion. The men seemed to understand what it felt like to be separated from your true love.

In any case, Papillion made him stronger than he ever was. He would hunt down with his new power the one who stole HIS ring and show his lady that he was still the best partner in the world.

Okay, maybe destroying some buildings wasn’t that good of an idea, but he didn’t have any other means to contact his lady.

And Miraculous Ladybug would fix anything, so there wasn’t a problem.

He was whistling a little tune, making his way to the Eifeltower, randomly destroying a building here, a monument there.

The screams of the people got on his nerves. Couldn’t they see that he just wanted Ladybug’s attention?

What did they need to be so dramatic?

That’s when he heard how two persons land behind him.

He turned around and let out a happy gasp.

It was his lady in all her spotting glory. In her Yoyo was tangled a girl, the thief of his ring.

Nobody else but this girl in a black cat outfit could be it.

A girl dared to still his ring?

What, did she want to be like Ladybug?

No one could be as perfect as his lady.

“My lady.”, he purred happily. “You found for me the person who stole my ring!”

Ladybug smiled cutely at him, his heart was beating hard seeing this wonderful smile on her rose lips.

“Of course, chaton. I know you would only take an Akuma to get your powers back.”, she said to him sweetly.

Papillion’s voice came into his head, commanding him to take the ring and the ladybug earrings, but he wouldn’t do this to his lady.

He just wanted his ring back.

“Give me this thieving girl, I will take care of her and we can be a team again!”

“This would make me so happy chaton!”, she declared and batted her eyelashes at him. Oh wow, she never has done this before. He felt himself turning red. “When I saw her instead of you, I realized how much you meant to me.”

“My lady!”, he gasped happily.

He took a step forward to embrace her when suddenly anything happen in a blurb.

The female cat untangled herself without problems from Ladybugs Yoyo and shouted: “Cataclysm!”

Her attack hit him on point and he fainted.

You stared down at Chat Blanc shaking your head.

Goddammit, he really thought only with his dick!

You were so scared of him, but in the end, he was probably the easiest Akuma in history.

“I can’t believe that it was that easy!”, shouted Ladybug raising her arms to the sky. “He truly is obsessed with me as you said.”

“Yep, let’s search for the Akuma and be done with it.”

You two got to work and found a little box in his pocket that was formally pulsing with energy.

Bingo, here is the Akuma.

Ladybug called for her Lucky Charm, which was a winner trophy, ha, then purified the Akuma and used her Miraculous Ladybug.

All was restored and good in Paris.

You hold her by the hand as Chat Blanc turned back to Adrien.

She needed to see this.

Shocking would be an understatement for what you saw in her eyes.

A lot of emotions were battling in her.

Finally, with a groan, Adrien woke up.

“Oh, what happened?”, he wonders. Then he saw Ladybug and turned into an excited puppy. “Ladybug, my lady, oh dear it wasn’t how I wanted to reveal myself to you, but at least you can give me back my ring!”

You so wanted to say something, but you needed to see if Ladybug would do the right thing.

“A-Are you out of your mind!”, she declared in disbelief. “Even if I wanted you back as a partner, Papillion knows your true identity now. You can’t be anymore, Chat Noir.”

“Oh…but we could be still a couple!”

Adrien got down on one knee and stared at her with a creepy look. He thought probably it was romantic, yet it made you wish for a shower.

“We will be like Superman and Luise Lane, doesn’t it sound delightful my lady?”

Ladybug blinked.

One.

Two.

Three.

Times.

“You…are out of your mind! You would just date me as a civilian, do you know how dangerous it is for you?”

“Aww, you are again, playing hard to get. When will you stop?”

Oh no, he didn’t just say that!

“I beg your pardon?!”, hissed Ladybug.

“We are meant to be my lady, you are the only one we can’t see it. With or without the ring, I’m yours, as I will love however is under the mask!”

“Really? What if I was Chloe Bourgeoise.”

Yeah, let her drag your possessing Chloe’s ass into it. Hey, you were nice now! What would it take her to see it too?

You saw for a second the fear in his eyes and Ladybug did too.

That was enough for her.

“Come Calamity. Let’s go.”

“Right behind, you L.B.”

With that, you both left the scene, before the reporters came to ask Adrien out.

Now that it was known he had been Chat Noir there would be surely a lot of questions asked.

You and Ladybug feed your kwamis and then transformed again.

It was Ladybug pleading to you since she needed somebody.

At that somebody was you.

So you hold her, while she cried over Adrien, probably in her mind regretting ever falling in love with him, with this creep who thought with his dick and had put her on a pedestal.

He never would truly love HER, only the made-up version in his head.

This was a bitter pill to swallow.

Even more, if she also realizes what stupid stalker shit she did in the name of love.

Sadly you couldn’t say these things, since you couldn’t know them without telling your whole story.

No, it wasn’t the time.

She needed to handle this first before you told her about yourself and how canon would have screwed her over.

So you just hold Ladybug in your arms, humming a little melody to calm her down.

You don’t know how long you two stayed like this. Time didn’t matter while you hold her. The world didn’t matter.

A meteor could come crashing down and you wouldn’t even take note of it.

Ladybug was a shaking and crying mess. She struggled to talk, she wanted to get her emotion also out in words, yet she couldn’t.

It was too much for her soul.

So you just shushed her, stroking her hair.

Your suit was wet with her tears and snot.

You never saw someone crying this much.

You had wished to save Marinette/Ladybug from trauma, from all the trauma she would have faced in the future, sadly you didn’t think that new traumas could take place.

You had a feeling it would take a long time, till she let anyone back into her heart.

But this was okay.

You would wait for Marinette till the end of the world.

And you know a certain guitarist would do this too after he meet her.

The sun was going down when Ladybug calmed down enough.

You both were sitting on the rooftop, she in your lap, hugging you tight, while you rocked her back and forth.

“Calamity.”, she rasped out. “I—Thank you. I…I needed that.”

“Anything for you.”, you simply said.

She signed and put her head under your chin.

“You didn’t need to do all this, yet you stayed without asking anything in return. You…you are a good partner.”

“I want us to be friends, L.B., if it helps you snotting all over me then, by all means, do it any day.”, you tried to light the atmosphere with a joke.

It worked since she snorted.

“Today…was a lot.”, she whispered, snuggling up to you. You hummed, stroking her hair. “I…I need to rethink a lot of things…I need to look at myself too…I did some really questionable things I realized, thanks to Chat—thanks to Agreste in my civilian life.”

“The first step to being a better person is to admit their mistake and work on them.”, you told her softly.

It was good that she realized what a creepy stalker she had been.

You have read before dying and becoming Chloe the theory that after original Chloe and Kim played this cruel joke with the spiders on Marinette, she become obsessed to know anything about her crushes so something like this would never happen again.

Well, one could understand her. She nearly drowned and if it wasn’t for Socqueline’s original Chloe would have posted online the cruel joke played on her.

Yet, it still was wrong.

Cool motive, but still murder, you know?

You hoped with all your heart that she would grow from it.

You were now back at the hotel, sitting on your bed, freshly showered, and thinking and writing down your thoughts in your little notebook.

Plagg was sitting like a king on a pillow beside you and eating 100 times his weight in camembert.

“What’s with that face?”, he asked you, gulping down a whole wheel.

How in the name of the kwami he managed that was the real mystery of life.

Where did all this cheese go in his little body?

“I’m just thinking.”, you answered him, scribbling down. “My memories I have from watching the show, and the memories I inherited from Chloe have made a little mess in my head. I forgot this girl named Socqueline Wang who was Marinette’s friend and stood up to the original Chloe. Today I remember her again. I need to apologize to her too.”

“Don’t worry so much about that. Sanura had the same problems. It takes a while before you can live with two mindsets and remember things right.”, he told you.

Curious you looked up from the notebook.

“Sanura, the Egyptian black cat who was a Dimensionwanderer just like me and had to misfortune to be reborn as a boy even if she was a girl?”

“Exactly.”

“When will you tell me her story?”

“When this pharaoh Akuma comes. Would be too simple if I told you all right now.”

“You are a meanie.”, you whined. “Also after today with Chat Blanc, could be I screwed canon totally over. This could be bad. We need that Papillion appears on Hero’s Day, so we can catch him and Mayura and end this show before it drags on.”

“So bad was the future?”

“You have no idea, it was just so dragging, and stupid and like how can someone have three moms and not expose themselves!”, you talked rapidly and angrily.

Plagg frowned.

“What? Who has three moms and doesn’t expose themselves?”

“A girl named Lila Rossi. A manipulative and serial liar. She will be joining at the end of this season my class, then stay away for the whole of season two, till Heroes Day, then be back in season three. All besides Marinette will kiss her ass and she will become the Papillion of the future. But if we manage to get Nooroo and Duusu back this headache doesn’t need to happen.”

The kwami frowned even more.

“Are you sure, we will be ready till Heroe’s Day?”

“We need to be ready.”

You put your notebook down.

Writing on it were all potential new holders for the bee, fox, and turtle.

Alya and Nino couldn’t become Rena Rouge and Carapace, even though Alya knew Marinette was Ladybug she still believed Lila and Nino just followed his girlfriend along.

No, you needed strong people in mind and body to catch Papillion and Mayura.

You had already a few in mind.

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I've been rewatching miraculous ladybug recently and I feel like the majority of the fandom really brushes off Chloe being racist in the episode Kung Food (which that episode as whole gives me bad vibes) the way Chloe attacks Marinette and Alya can already be seen as racially charged but after that episode it's hard to ignore. This also had me thinking about the episode where everyone is celebrating Chloe leaving Paris and Adrien tells Marinette he's dissapointed in her and "she should be the bigger person". Marinette's obsession with this white boy is really beyond me like if my crush told me he was dissapointed in me for being happy that my racist ass bully was leaving my interest would immediately be gone. All this to say Marigami and Alyanette are S tier ships and the love square is F tier.

(I've had these thoughts for a while now actually I just decided to finally put them on tumblr. Also I know Marinette has terrible flaws but idk if her being a stalker because of the bad writing is as bad as Adrien being racist apologist in the show due to the show's entire racism problem. Adrien lovers please don't come for me I use to love him when I was younger)

[starlight-vixen-emiko]

How do you feel about Feligami?

Random question...

I just don't like Feli///gami. I feel it's a massive disservice to both characters. Felix was only interesting when he was evil and apparently it's Kagami's job to make Felix good. Felix redemption arc only happened because he fell in love...And that's so incredibly lame.

Not to mention I love how Felix doesn't feel a single hint of insecurity. Kagami mentioned she still loves Adrien so this kind of feels like rebounding. But considering Adrien rebounded off Ladybug with Marinette I guess rebounding is a common theme.

So yeah...Don't expect any Feli//Gami from me, at all...Kagami's character was ruined in S4 and this is just the icing on the cake.

Adding to this!

Basically Felix is Kagami's rebound. She'll only love Adrien so she'll settle for Adrien 2.0.

And this is a way to get Kagami away from the Adrie////nette

I find it slightly stupid that Feli////gami needs to exist because apparently Adrigami and Kagaminette is a threat to Adrie///nette (Another reason I roll my eyes over Zoe being a lesbian for a diversity point when the writers clearly have a personal vendetta toward the Kagaminette ship.)

It really is something how apparently everything is a threat to the ls...I even seen hate square stans get upset over how Alya is closer to Marinette than Adrien.

Felix is basically Kagami's award for being a good little Adrie///nette advocate. Missed on Feli///gami being a "cute" relationship but the M*raculous fandom is the most easily impressed fanbase in the world.

[lierenprotectionsquad]

Don’t ask me to elaborate, I won’t.

[fandomsarebrainless]