#anti pacey witter

[paceyjoeydaily]

—  i only see daylight, daylight, daylight, daylight.

[livelovecaliforniadreams]

Favorite Pacey/Joey Moments Per Episode: 6x18 Love Bites (Part 4)

[paceypeternathanslawyer]

I'm so tempted to create a gifset series for Dawson's Creek and it would be the top two characters in each episode (as voted by fans on TVTime.com)... It's delightful truly. Pacey is in the top two with 113 episodes that's all but 15 episodes LMAO

In comparison Dawson... the fucking "protagonist" is in the top two with 9 episodes. I've been crying laughing for about an hour now. My neighbor's are probably all like "who's that maniacally laughing next door?" 😂

Much deserved Dawson motherfucker!! 🖕🏻😂

[movieslover05]

For the people who have audacity to say that Pacey Witter and Spike are the same person, there’s a special place for you in hell

Like, how are you gonna compare this sweet best teenage boy to a old ugly ass vampire 🙄🙄🙄

[jayciethings]

In your opinion, who is more likable?

Dawson Leery or Xander Harris

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I don't know how well the person who sent this knows me but this is a brilliant Sophie's Choice question for me as while I wouldn't say I hate either character there are points where I vehemently dislike both 😅

Both have things about them to like. But both are also flawed in a way that makes you want to shove them off a cliff, rather than makes them relatable.

I think they are both very self-involved and treat the women in their lives appallingly e.g. Dawson's pedestalling of Jen in S1 then total rejection of her when she doesn't meet the cinematic image he's decided on (i.e. blushing virgin who idolises him) and his ongoing terrible control of Joey and treating her like a possession. It's at its absolute worst in s3 at the anti prom when he guilt-trips her into going with him, claiming she's being silly and it's just as friends, then rips into her when she dances with Pacey, saying of COURSE he didn't invite her as a friend and she was stupid not to know that. Not to mention when he nearly kills Pacey thanks to his ego in a boat race. He's much more sympathetic in s4 (which is when Joey behaves badly and keeps trying to have her cake and eat it) and is actually pretty likeable in S5 when he's with Jen. Then in s6 he sleeps with Joey when he has a girlfriend and is just an utter dick again.

On the other hand, you have Xander's possessiveness of Buffy, which turns nasty when she doesn't reciprocate, and ongoing jealousy of Angel as a result which leads to him egging Faith into trying to kill him when he knows Angel is different from Angelus and, of course, the infamous "kick his ass" conversation when he lets Buffy go into a to-the-death battle with Angelus without warning her that Willow is attempting the restoration spell again. Then there is his ongoing awful treatment of Anya where he acts like she's an embarrassment, tries to change her at every turn, proposes with zero pressure from anyone else then leaves her at the altar.

I'm actually tempted to say Dawson cos he's more zen by the end, but on paper, I think Xander may have to win as his terrible behaviour tends more to be in response to romantic prospects but he's still a good friend to Willow and has his cool moments where he really supports someone ("What would Buffy do; you're my hero" "You're not special, Dawn, you're extraordinary"). Whereas Dawson is an appalling friend to Pacey long before Joey is a factor (e.g. his horrific drunk birthday speech in s2) and he turns on him again in a very telling way in s6.

Hmmm... On the other hand, just remembered Xander's terrible slut-shaming of both Anya and Buffy in s6 when he finds out they both slept with Spike. And! And! His horrendous Riley fan-boying where he claims he is the once-in-a-lifetime guy and Buffy has been out of line in how she's treated him - you know, the guy who cheated on her. And it's such a transparent projection of his own crap again cos Riley the human having Buffy but being second to Angel etc is such a trigger for him and his own insecurities and the vestiges of his entitlement towards Buffy.

No, Dawson wins. But that doesn't mean much 😁

PS if Joey had ended up with Dawson at the end my answer would likely be very different.

[love-geeky-fangirl]

The episode ‘Sex and Violence’ is frustrating to watch. Joey acts completely unprofessional and spills cream on Sadia. Pacey tells Joey that he does not have to respect her or even like her, because she’s his secretary. And then they start making out. Am insulated to find this endearing?

One of the reasons I can’t get behind PJ is because, like Dawson, Pacey casts Joey in the role that he wants her to play in his life. In Love Bites he tells Joey: “my whole life you have been the most beautiful thing in my orbit. And my feelings for you were what proved to me that I could be great. And those feelings were stronger and were wiser and more persistent and more resilient than anything else about me.”

He is making his happiness/self-worth Joey’s responsibility. He loves an idealized version of Joey. This mindset is what led to their breakup in ‘Promicide.’ It doesn’t help that Pacey’s speech feels unearned. I’m glad that he danced with Joey instead of leaving her but I find it hard time to root for them.

Joey’s indecisiveness is really annoying as well. She tells Pacey (and Dawson) that she’s all in and then changes her mind. Joey choosing Eddie after he ditches her twice makes very little sense to me. Maybe the fact that he isn’t her high school ex bf is appealing to her.



Yeah omg I just watched this episode! I mean I'm not gonna lie, they had sexual tension when they were arguing about whether Joey is jealous or not and when they started making out it was hot. But when just like you said, Joey's behavior was unprofessional and annoying and Pacey's: "I don't have to respect you!" was just... yikes. I don't even know who I hated more in that moment.

I don't like what Pacey has become in season 6. Most people praise him for being a "feminist" and "ally to women" but he has his also moments like this one or the episode before (a great episode btw probably the highlight of the last two seasons) when he yelled at Joey that she isn't more devastated about their breakup when it was HIM who broke up with HER and went on to date other people right away as if they never even happened.

While I don't know which speech you're talking about because I haven't got that far yet, you're right that Pacey acts as if his self-worth was Joey's responsibility. It was evident from his outburst in Promicide. While I do think that Joey making him feel bad about himself is a red flag in their relationship, it's not her fault or her responsibility to make him feel good about himself. Just like you pointed out it's similar to Dawson- he aleo feels like everything bad that happens in his life is Joey's fault and she should be there for him to carress his fragile male ego no matter what.

I haven't got as far as when Joey chooses Eddie over him but I disagree with the claim that "Eddie ditched Joey twice". The first time he ditched her but the other time she TOLD him to go. Not defending Eddie or anything (ditching someone once is still one too many times) just setting the record straight

[infjwinchester44]

I honestly hate that I started watching Dawson's Creek. I thought Dawson would get better, that he would mature. But I'm now at the end of season 3 and he's even worse. And now I can't stop watching because I absolutely adore Pacey. So in order to enjoy this amazing character, I have to deal with Dawson's toxic whiney self.

[smnthwrd]

finally forcing myswlf to watch s5 of dawsons creek and i! am! puking!!! dawson leery is the bane of my existence and jack and jen are the only thing getting me through this season

[djgrannyglasses]

Remember when Joey was nervous about telling Dawson she lost her virginity? Like why? Why did it concern him??

[paceyjoeydaily]

joey’s relationship with dawson vs joey’s relationship with pacey 

[blackxones]

things that make me happy: this picture

[paceypeternathanslawyer]

I’ll tell ya... no TV family makes me quite so angry as the entire Leery family and Leery in laws.

Today i’m feeling pure rage towards Aunt Gwen (Dawson’s aunt and Gail’s sister). I’ve been rewatching “Stolen Kisses” and that is a creepy psycho bitch and she needs to be separated from all children.

This is the first sniff of Aunt Gwen being more than just a harmless kooky artsy woman. She is conniving throughout this entire episode trying to force a connection between Dawson and Joey. Also it’s a bit weird to invite only a bunch of kids to your house and then proceed to single out two as them and say only you two are gonna help me shop. You three rando kids who were allowed to be in my care by your parents... ya’ll are on your own. How about you explore the crappy pool hall where God knows what kind of unsavory folks hang around? Also woman!! Why didn’t you fucking shop for food before your guests got there?

OH MY FUCKING WORD!!! This woman needs to get a life instead poking her ugly nose into a bunch of children’s love lives. I know your husband died but maybe it’s time to find a new one cause clearly you can’t help your compulsion to live vicariously through your fucking nephew!!

Seriously woman!! I know you live a boring life in a boring small town but maybe you should find some good activity aside from obsessing about these children’s love lives! Just a thought!

Okay!! Now this is all starting to make sense!! Not only is Aunt Gwen a witch with a capitol B... she’s also an actual witch!!! 

NOOOO!!!! Gwen is a fucking psycho!!! Who paints two children you know because you want them to be in a relationship!?!? Psycho Aunt Gwen does!!!! Get these children away from this woman... i’m seriously scared for their safety!! Also this is a really ugly painting!! This is an insult to the art of painting!! 🤢🤢🤢

It wasn’t until like 20th watching of this episode that I noticed how creepily Aunt Gwen looks at Joey after she says that the Dawson and Joey picture is her favorite. She’s a bit too close to Joey, and she kinda looks at her in a suggestive way that is clearly meant to imply that she is showing Joey this picture to instill romantic feelings towards Dawson. You can kinda see it in picture form but it’s even clearer in video form and I gotta say chief... I don’t like it. I don’t like it fam... it makes me uncomfy how invested Aunt Gwen is in the love life her nephew and this girl she hardly knows.

WHO THE FUCK CARES!!! Maybe if everyone in Dawson’s life didn’t pussy foot around his feelings maybe he wouldn’t be such a fucking spoiled man baby who goes insane whenever he doesn’t get his own way. Or gets scarred whenever he sees a woman make her own decision and not allow him to treat her like a trophy that belongs to him to be put on his mantel and brought down whenever he damn well pleases!! 👿👿

Okay, i’m gonna need ya’ll to file what Aunt Gwen said here in the back of your mind because it’s gonna be important real soon. She told Joey that she needs to tell Dawson about her and Pacey kissing.

This is un fucking believable!!! So she insists that Joey talk to Dawson. Right after she walks in on Joey clearly about to have an important talk with Dawson, interrupts them and then instead of insisting that Joey stay she allows Joey to leave and then fucking Aunt Gwen pulls out that creepy picture and gives it to Dawson. Knowing full well that Joey had just been kissing Pacey and had feelings for Pacey.... she is still conniving to get Dawson to act upon his feelings for Joey. What is her endgame? Her best case scenario is that Joey abandons Pacey for Dawson. How cruel is that? To see that this boy named Pacey Witter has feelings for Joey and then to connive to have Joey break his heart and her own heart in the process. Or worst case scenario for Gwen is it blows up in Dawson’s face and Joey rejects him for Pacey which ulimately happened. How is that being a good aunt? Setting your nephew up for heartbreak? Setting up some other kid for heartbreak and setting up Joey for heartbreak. Aunt Gwen you aren’t even worth a pile of shit!!! Go to hell you witch!!

I find it funny how all throughout this episode she is trying to connive Dawson and Joey back together yet she’s continually pushing Pacey and Joey closer together. Just by her being mostly. She’s this artsy woman that Joey relates to and she was in a boring marriage that the writers are clearly comparing to Dawson and Joey. And they are comparing Pacey to Richard who is the man who “stole” Aunt Gwen from her husband and made her feel alive. And this is clearly how Joey feels... Joey is seeing Dawson as Gwen’s ex husband and Joey is seeing Pacey as the Richard figure who makes her feel alive. So Aunt Gwen is saying how Richard made her feel alive thinking that Joey is gonna realize that Dawson makes her feel alive but in reality Joey is falling more and more in love with Pacey the more Gwen talks. Isn’t it ironic in the words of Alanis Morisette.

In conclusion... the entire Leery family is trash and should be sent to their own ugly toxic island where they can’t infect the rest of the world. 

Also it’s because of this episode that I have fantasies of Aunt Gwen being forced to attend Pacey and Joey’s wedding and seeing once and for all that her conniving did not work one iota!!! True love won out in the end and Dawson got nothing.... I hope his movies will keep him warm at night cause Joey certainly won’t and I can’t imagine anyone putting up with his crap for more than a week!! 😂😂

[italychick]

oKAY so you know that episode of Dawson’s Creek in season 3 where they’re at the prom (you know the one don’t pretend you don’t) and Joey is UNDERSTANDABLY miserable, she has to dance with Dawson all night while staring at the guy she loves as he dances with his ex-girlfriend? And she gets mad at Dawson because he’s acting like this is a date and rubbing it in Pacey’s face even though Joey clEaRLy stated that this was not a date and they were only going as friends? And then instead of acknowledging all of her very real concerns and reasons to be upset?? What does he do????

He gets the world’s most obnoxious grin on his face and says, “It’s just Dawson and Joey, at the prom, having a good time”

NO SHE’S NOT YOU STALE EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING SHE IS NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME.

Uch so anyways. That happened.

[thencomethecherryblossoms]

Nathan and Haley, Pacey and Joey, I am so sorry people compare you to bughead, you absolutely deserve better xo

In what fucking world can you even begin to believe they are in the same stratosphere I -

[jocysambags]

Dawson’s Creek live watch 4x16

Yep.

This is sad, Joey I’m sure you “love” Pacey. But you don’t deserve him.

At least not rn. He adores Joey but she seriously doesn’t feel the same for him.

She likes him a little more than Dawson but she always chooses “taking care of” Dawson over Pacey.

Pacey does not deserve that.

Am I wrong? Am I just being biased over my sweet summer child Pacey?

Gretchen calling her out was awesome but not really? I WISSSHHH she would’ve been more angry on behalf of Pacey. That’s her little bro and the way Joey seems to still be favoring Dawson.

As a big sister that’s a big NO. And I wish she would’ve been more team Pacey instead of team “my bf of a few weeks” ugh 😒

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[love-geeky-fangirl]

Remember how when Joey was doubting her party-throwing skills and was worried her party was going to turn out to be a disaster and it was Pacey who encouraged her that it's going to be all right, not Dawson, despite the fact that Dawson was her main love interest that season and Pacey was with Andie and they weren't even really friends at that point?? And what did Dawson do? Sing in public about her gay ex-boyfriend, ruin the party Joey threw for him and then try to force a kiss on her in front of everyone. Anyway that's reason #123047104 why it should've been called Pacey's Creek not Dawson's Creek.