#avatar fire and ash speculation

[nilnether]

No, Neytiri, no 🤚🛑 What would your kids think? 🫣

But this is exactly why Spider saving Quaritch might end up being a net plus. Not only Spider being there with the Sullies stops Quartich himself from using exessive force but it also means Quaritch would want to stop RDA from doing it if Spider might be in the range. He's like a protection spell. And they don't even need to force him to help. He would do anything to stay with Kiri and Lo'ak and Tuk.

(Click for better quality) No seriously, what the hell is Quaritch going to do now?

Try to abduct the Sully kids again? Can't do that, they got Spider.

Goad Jake into fighting one on one? They got Spider.

Find the Sullies location and bomb them from a distance? Still got Spider.

Jake's got Quaritch by the balls and he doesn't even have to do anything cause Spider will keep coming back to him as long as Quaritch is such a shitty person lmao

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[nilnether]

So it looks like the people at the CinemaCon saw the beginning of Avatar: Fire and Ash. Including the new title look of fire and ash:

It looks like they saw a lot of the film opening and that a lot of the concept art (and some screenshots from filming) we saw so far is just from this part (there is nothing about Jake being taken prisoner by RDA and Factory Ship).

It starts with all the kids hanging out - both Metkayina and the Sullys and Spider - and watching Windtraders come in while Jake and Neytiri are flying to meet them.

The descriptions of all the kids hangin out togethers seem so cute. And we had picures of Tsireya and Spider and Spider on the back of Payakan.

And then the Ash Na'vi attack.

It seems like some of the fight with Ash Na'vi attacking the Windtraders will happen in the floating mountains or some similar place so there might be more than one of those as I don' think anywhere near Awa'atlu has a bit of this terrain but not in the amounts and size like shown below. So this might be later - maybe after escaping Mangkwan and Ash Na'vi are chasing them here as that chase is supposed to happen in the forest.

The Ash Na'vi kill people and destroy some of the Windtraders ships. And it seems like they kidnap the kids so Jake and Neytiri go to Ash Na'vi land to save them. Since Jake seems to travel to Ash Na'vi village that's probably means the script about the batle there are also correct.

That's when Neytiri fights with Varang and gets injured. The wound is mentioned in the leaked script and Collectors Edition of ATWOW had this concept art with a healed shoulder with stiches still visible.

It looks like either, or most likely both, Neytiri and Lo'ak will channel their grief into hate of humans and wanting to fight them at all cost. It's understendable but it also dangerous. Jake seems to be worried about the cost of that hate and the danger they put themselves in. It makes sense in both cases. Jake at tthe end of A2 understands Lo'ak more and he probably understands why he would want revenge but it's not worth losing another child. Lo'ak doesn't have the experience to think of consequences.

Neytiri has lost so much that it's almost impossible not to go on a warpath. She tried to leave the fight and let go and skypeople hat had followed her and took her child. How could she not want to burn them all of her world. So it seems like such a great foil to make her main antagonist be another Na'vi. The enemy that challenges her view of this conflict. She firmly rejects Spider no matter what so maybe him proving anything about humans or even himself is not the way for her to question her stance. Maybe it's having Na'vi be antithesis to everything she stands for. Some of the descriptions have Varang say “Your goddess has no dominion here” to Neytrir not Kiri after all.

I'm so excited for more Neytiri in A3 and I can't wait to see what her arc is going to be like. This beginning sounds awesome already.

Bu I also like the option of Varang saying that to Kiri because I need to see Kiri's arc too. I'm just not sure Varang is going to know anything about her powers that early on. I don't think anyone really does, not even her, even after she saves Spider but the leaks made her journey of self discovery look super exciting.

We basically get confirmation that Spider will need to be saved. It looks like they will be escaping the Ash Na'vi in the forest and his mask will get damaged, he loses consciousness and falls of a cliff (sounds terrifying but at least we know Jake gives him a hug). And then leaks shows Kiri gives him ability to breathe without it.

It looks like Jake is there with the kids so this also confirms the leaks which in turn means that Quaritch is also there. Maybe he wasn't helping them escape. Maybe he was chasing them. And then Spider gets hurt.

Because now it's very clear Quaritch will ally himself with Ash Na'vi. He is wearing their paint but also his tactical gear and it looks very menacing. So all of this is for sure happening and Quaritch is all in on the fighting with Mangkwan not against them.

Although, it isn't all like that from the beginning so maybe that's later and first he gets imprisoned and the Varang tries to get into his head and all the other stuff comes later. The photo right above certainly seem like it came from the later part of the film (it might Jake as prisoner on board of Factory Ship).

He doesn't look like he has the paint on here yet when the kids are taken prisoner but then some versions of concept art of the attack have Quaritch there so who knows. Maybe he is alrady with them. Maybe it's a different attack and they teaming up for the Factory Ship attack.

Tonowari is daunted by the prospect of fighting aliens and I suppose this will be how a lot of Na'vi will think (comics showed that too). And it's even worse with humans and Ash Na'vi making an alliance but they cannot avoid this. One thing we know that's probably from the end of the film is that the Factory Ship fleet is coming and the battle cannot be avoided.

The sources with the details under the cut

This is io9 description of the trailer

Cameron wasn’t there in person, but he put the presentation in the capable hands of Neytiri herself, Zoe Saldaña. The footage began with the water tribe, the Metkayina, as characters swim through some kind of wreckage (maybe from the end of the last movie?), followed by scenes of the kids like Lo’ak, Kiri, Tsireya hanging about.

“The strength of your ancestors is here,” Tsireya says to Lo’ak as she touches his chest.

The Wind Traders show up, and all of the Metkayina are excited. It’s friendly. People are cheering, and some of the younger characters like Kiri and even Spider are riding with them. Cameron films these scenes with a real love for these people. These are basically flying pirate ships with sails made up of almost translucent material. Members of the tribe bark out orders around the ship like you’d see in an old pirate movie but the ships just keep gliding along. This is peaceful. This is beautiful. This is nice.

The ships slowly float through the mountains with some other Na’vi, like Neytiri, riding alongside on her Ikran. Spider playfully dangles his foot off the side. Again, everything is quiet and calm. But not for long. Neytiri spots something watching them from the sky and screams for Jake. It’s the Ash tribe and they have a much more menacing presence than the Na’vi people we know, thanks in large part to the bright red war paint they wear and the sparks coming off the back of their Ikrans.

The Ash tribe swoops down and attacks our heroes in a massive midair battle. Jake fires his gun. Neytiri fires her bow and arrow. But the Ash tribe shoots arrows with fire, which start to burn down the Wind tribe’s ships.

We see Jake seemingly trekking across Pandora by himself, walking by massive volcanoes and eventually arriving at what looks like the gate of the Ash tribe with his hands in the air, giving himself up. He and Neytiri are having problems with Lo’ak and tell him, “You can’t live in hate!” They hug him.

Tonowari, leader of the water tribe, says that they can’t defeat enemies that come from the stars. We then see the Ash tribe seemingly teaming up with Quaritch and the rest of the human army.

Neytiri is in the hospital and screams for her children. A raid is happening. There’s a quick shot of the eye of a Tulkun. Things end with a massive battle that’s happening on what looks like floating rocks. They seem to be in the middle of some kind of floating wreckage from a battle that’s still happening. Neytiri and the leader of the Ash tribe, who we’ve seen throughout the trailer, are fighting but Neytiri’s snarls come up against her flame thrower type weapon. “Your goddess has no dominion here,” the Ash woman says, confirming they don’t believe in Ewa. And that’s the end.

So you have the serenity of the Wind tribe, the kinetic energy of the Ash tribe and in the middle, the water people, which now includes the Sully family. We have a feeling not everyone is going to make it out alive.

Here is the Discussing Film one:

Exclusive Footage Description: CinemaCon 2025 showed audiences the first ever footage from Avatar: Fire and Ash in the form of a sizzle reel. The first footage we see is the water tribe floating on a strange jellyfish-like ship. The detail is out of this world, with the high frame rate photography looking genuinely cinema-redefying. The next scene involves an aerial attack on Jake, Neytiri, and their clan by the Ash people, who have red paint on their mouths to indicate their tribe. We then transition to more of a traditional trailer.

The Ash People are a vicious tribe, pushing the Water Tribe out of their home. One of the biggest threads is a rage growing in Neytiri, which Jake calls out in a harrowing moment. Jake hugs Spider. There’s a tense confrontation between Neytiri and the leader of the Ash Tribe. Similarly, the leader of the Ash Tribe tells Kiri that “her God has no dominion here”. Spider at one point has his mask smashed. The last thing we see is hints of a massive action sequence in the sky, with platforms surging up to towards the top of the sky. The footage is completely unreal stuff, delivering on more than expected.

The Hollywood Reporter:

Here's confirmation about Quaritch's new look and alliance with Asn Na'vi:

[proffesionalalpaca]

OKAY!!??

Official title : Avatar 3 - Fire & Ash

D23 Ash Concept art

I was hoping they’d go into that dark, ritualistic (getting major hellblade Senua’s Saga vibes) vibe but Goddamn this is went hard and is genuinely terrifying imagery - I LOVE IT!!

Severed Kurus worn as trophies, sharp claws (extensions?) and even a long serpentine tail with a lack of tail tuft. Fairly close to the forest Na’vi but ghostly pale and lacking stripes/ markings of any kind.

They also appear like most besides Varang herself are starved and emaciated (man in the back may just straight up be a sacrifice/mummified corpse) , desperation may be their main motivation - not sure if they’ll do full blown cannibalism. They’ll probably tone it down for the official film but I really hope it’s not too much.

In another concept we see that the ash Na’vi ride a new species of ikran - a gnarly looking creature with many horns and pale colouration. And there are A LOT!

This implies the ash people number in the hundreds if not thousands - a force well prepared to go against any of Jake’s Na’vi forces.

This version of Varang seems closer to what we’ll probably be seeing in the final film - wearing her riding pants and minimal wardrobe that we saw in the motion capture render footage last year.

And if my eyes don’t deceive me - flying right behind her is a Na’vi man carrying a firearm - who I’m betting is Quaritch. Will he be cosying up to the ash Na’vi temporarily for short term gains or will this be for a more long term goal?

Varang’s signature face paint seems to be a forehead triangle - we saw that exact style on ‘Quaritch’ in this leaked image, so he may be wearing her mark during a big battle.

I’m so F*CKING EXCITED!

[nilnether]

I read this and at first got really excited about the adoptive son part but then I saw the brackets...

You are not getting me again. This isn't what the writers called him. Just because an editor put it there doesn't mean I will treat it as official confirmation. You got me once. I will not believe it again just because it's in the press. I need here it from the source.

But the "ripped hearts out" part is official. It came out of Cameron's mouth. And I can't wait for it

SPOILER speculation

And since it's something that comes out of all that happened before I think it will be related to the fact that Spider has been constantly abandoned so far. Neytiri excluded him in more obvious way but Jake did it also. It was exclusion of "not my problem" kind. Whenever it became inconvenient, he would leave Spider to RDA - from the comics to not even considering rescuing him when recoms took him to the islands - but I hope this time he won't.

Jack metioned in interview Spider getting everything he wanted and Spider always wished he could belong with the Sullies. He always idolized Jake and wanted to be more like him. Jake finally sticking around for him when he is in danger would be proof that Jake really cares.

But, of course, a lot has happened in between. I wonder if there will be some resentment too. And then there is Quaritch and the fact that he is alive. He already declared Spider his son and it's clearly complicated for Spider.

I can't wait to see how it all will turn out 😱💀💙

[nilnether]

Yes, I too wondered if the cut kuru could be from past leaders/ancestors. hat concept art sure looks like some kind of ritual. Ash People might believe in absorbing the strength of those these kuru belonged to. This may mean the strength of the enemies she defeated (or even Ash Na'vi who either she challenged or who challenged her for the title of Olo'yekte) but it could also be the strength of her Ash Na'vi predecessors.

It looks like, at least in the movies, each kind of Na'vi will have a different mount they use. Ones that seem more fit for the environment they are from and their lifestyle. This seems to be true for both Ash Na'vi and the Windraders in A3.

Avatar 3 D23 musings and analysis

Images drop on some BIG screens at D23 seems like!

First off, great new looks and close ups of Varang!

First off it's super dope. Look at her fingers! Looks like she's wearing claws (bone? forbidden metal? body mods). The notches on her belly and legs also look like potential scarifications!

Stuff I want to scream about on a personal level: The tswins... I made my Txepiva (ash Na'vi) fan clan to be warrior like, living in more desertic areas, and cutting queues as part of warfare. I also recently made a sketch to illustrate an idea to a friend that they may wear these queues in a bandolier tied to shoulders and hips as a show-off.

My Txepiva also have bare tail tips, and Varangs fits this too in this art, though I'm sure it's just the light rendering technique. If not, then I should apply for a job on the brainstorming team lmao.

Though I appreciate the idea of warfare and tswin cutting, I want to point out it's also possible that she's not actually wearing the tswin of her enemies, or at least not in the "this is how we kill other Na'vi" way.

The others around her are in obscuring and impractical headdresses, and this looks like a ritual. IMO it's very possible that the tswin she wears are that of ancestors, or old leaders, great warriors, or even enemies, collected and rebraided to create this distinct look. I particularly think it'd make sense for it to be made of the hair of past leaders and worn as a sort of crown, as nobody else is rocking that look in the image.

Next we have her weird not-an-ikran.

Glorious beast with 10 winglets where ikran have 4. It also has mouth frills, jaw frills, and a spike over its head, making it closer to stingbats in that area. Here's a super obvious comparison with an enlarged stingbat picture:

So their mount probaby evolved independantly from ikran. Would be fun if they also have poison.

Another FUN detail : GUNS!! Does it look like guns? Could be recoms then, Lyle, Q , and some new red shirt recoms... or could be Omatikaya wil RDA guns...

But for real, there are only two types of Na'vi with guns: the Omatikaya clan and the recombinants. Given past images in leaks ((remember this?))

It's most likely that the people interacting with Varang are going to be recoms and not Jake's people. BUT who knows where the plot will go. If it's recoms, I'd looove to know if it's 3 moffos because Q+Lyle+Mansk, or if we're getting new recom red shirts or what.

Then we have views of air ships, so we're getting to see the promised Wind Traders, with Neytiri in the forefront, and the Man'o'war inspired floaters being pulled by sky manta ray...

Not much to say about those. I just hope we get some high definition version released online soon.

If this reignites your hype for Avatar, go vote in this poll!

There's 20h left to vote, and I think we could all benefit from an event around december 2024, to pass the time before fire and ash's big dropin 2025.

[dreaming-of-the-reality]

Avatar: Fire and Ash theory

Potential theory for the upcoming third film in the Avatar franchise regarding Neytiri and Varang:

So I’ve been looking into some of the stuff that James Cameron has been teasing about the newest Avatar film, and it seems he keeps hinting at how devastating the next film will be.

He claimed that his wife watched the film and had a very emotional reaction, and that she couldn’t stop crying for 4 hours. He’s claimed that audiences will be saying “Fuck, that’s not what I signed up for” when they’ve finished the movie, and has hinted that this film will obviously be a lot darker than the last two.

So obviously everyone’s first assumption is that someone else is going to die. While this may still happen, I just don’t think they would kill off another Sully member after the last one’s ending. Who knows, maybe Aonung or Tonowari will get killed off?

But I feel like those deaths wouldn’t be that devastating to leave someone crying for 4 hours and have everyone teasing how emotional the next movie is going to be. It may not be the loss of a character James was hinting at, but an emotional and spiritual loss instead.

My theory?

I think Varang and Neytiri are going to face off against one another, and Neytiri will lose, resulting in Varang cutting off Neytiri’s Kuru.

This would be the most traumatic, emotional loss that any Na’vi could go through. It’s already been hinted that Neytiri will get injured, and it’s been speculated that she will lose her arm, but what if it’s her kuru instead?

Varang has been quoted saying “your goddess has no dominion here” and Ronals quote to Neytiri from the last movie “it seems Eywa has turned her back on you” could be foreshadowing this as well.

This would ultimately mean: Neytiri will lose her entire connection to her home, Eywa, the spirit tree which would mean she could never see Neteyam, her father, or her sister ever again. She would never be able to bond with her ikran, or anything on pandora. Her connection would be completely severed.

They’ve already teased the image of Varang wearing a kuru necklace, and from memory, they cut a scene from the first avatar movie where Tsu’tey had his kuru cut off and it was described as a fate worse than death? Maybe they cut that scene out because they were going to use the idea in a later film?

I just think that would be the final nail in the coffin for Neytiri’s sanity - shes hanging on by a thread after Neteyams death, and this could be the thing that totally has her go off the rails.

I just think that would truly be the most shocking and absolutely soul crushing thing to happen to Neytiri, and I wouldn’t rule it out as a theory. It seems VERY possible to me and would change her whole dynamic. She could turn on Kiri and become envious of her connection to Eywa, she could turn her back on Jake, etc.

What do you think?

[sepublic]

I really like how the finale to Crystalized refers to the elemental dragons as the ninjas' elements. Their very own powers. Like this isn't a dragon of fire, a fire dragon, etc. This is literally Kai's power of Fire, incarnate.

It hearkens back to the Elemental Dragons concept introduced in S4, in a way that really re-contextualizes it. Similarly in Crystalized, the Overlord describes the elements of the ninja as sentient entities, capable of finding new hosts/champions even if they did die without having an heir to pass them on.

So between this and the Elemental Dragons, and now the Source Dragons of Dragons Rising and it's like. It feels like the elements have been recontextualized as dragons. Children of the Source Dragons. And I love that idea; They're primordial gods. The very concept of fire didn't exist until the dragon known as Fire came into existence, and all fire comes from it.

The elements are primordial gods and the source of that which they embody. They found mortal champions to wield their power for them, so they could influence events in a way not exactly direct, but not entirely neutral either; So like their parental Source Dragons' philosophy, but with a bit more leeway. They lend their power to others, who can briefly manifest an avatar representing their element's true form.

The Elements might be fairly neutral because they can't really choose or decide what their champion does; So you have Smoke choosing a champion in Ash, only to transfer over to Cinder, who is quite the villain. They've granted mortals the privilege of making use of their powers, but as mortals decide and choose for themselves, so even someone like Chen can just seize the Elements for himself and they won't go against him. It's not exactly Source Dragon neutrality, the refusal to interfere in mortal affairs, but it's derived from a similar philosophy.

Given the speculation that Source Dragons played a role in the Merge, plus new elements coming into existence. And this implies that the Source Dragons have created new Elements, leading to Technology, Heat, and Fusion, maybe more. These concepts became dragons, rather than the other way around; As if the Source Dragons coalesced them into individual entities, ‘adopted’ them if you will.

This does make me wonder about Zeatrix's element, given it was around pre-Merge. Similarly, how does Time work, since it's been split into four powers, across two hosts... Only for those powers to be trapped in different Time Blades. And what of Water and Wind, which are said to belong to Wojira? Morro and Nya can both summon dragons, and in Nya's case she became one. Did Wojira create the elements of Water and Wind, did she contain them within her amulets, what's up with that?

[buzzkillchainsaw]

Avatar 3 predictions and speculations (timestamp: 15.08.2024)

Disclaimer: These are just my random thoughts, not a serious theory. I haven't purposely looked for leaks, interviews etc. (ofc I've accidentally seen some, heard some etc) bc I want to go into the movie as blind as possible (I did the same for Avatar 2, didn't even watch the trailer. 10/10 would recommend) so there might be some already confirmed/disproven info here. Avoid reading if you don't want to accidentally get spoiled.

1. Spider's desire to become Na'vi - either by gaining an Avatar (not sure the human resistance has the resources for that since we don't see any "new" Avatars pop up in A2) or by whatever "kuru mind control" is (I've seen these words be thrown around, from an interview maybe).

Seeing as there is already a confirmed and accessible way for the Omaticaya Na'vi to transfer a human permanently into their Avatar, I'm curious to know if other clans can/have utilised something like that. This is where the "kuru mind control" comes in - if it's possible to impose your own mind on someone else's, would it be possible for perhaps Varang to connect Spider to some poor Na'vi's body and let him take it over? Or at least promise it to manipulate Spider? What if Quaritch initiates this because he wants his son to be happy (by becoming Na'vi) and this why he's seemingly working with Varang? Spider's conflict in this movie would be interesting, being forced to choose between Jake's family (and in turn the human resistance and accepting that he must stay human and never "fit in with the Na'vi") and Quaritch/Varang (although these two could still have differing motivations, I can see Quaritch staying loyal to the RDA and hiding his true intentions from Varang)

2. The ash clan's motivations - what do they want? Will they be weaponized against Jake's family (and by extension the entire Metkayina clan)? Will they be promised something they currently don't have (territory, safe home, food to hunt) if they help in a possible attack against the Metkayina? The name "ash clan" makes me think of the Nightwings from Wings of Fire - for those who don't know, this is a tribe of dragons who lived on an active volcano and their main motivation in the first book series was to find a new home before the old one is destroyed by the volcano. Perhaps the ash people urgently need a new home for similar reasons?

3. Quaritch's arc - it would be predictable for him to undergo a similar arc to Jake, learning to love Pandora, perhaps by falling in love with a Na'vi (perhaps Varang) but I just don't see that for him. He'll definitely need to come to terms with staying on Pandora until he dies (can't bring a recom back to earth, can't stuff him back into his human body) so he'll need to do some introspection. I can see him focusing on Spider a lot more because of this, to keep the only family he has left safe. So if he makes major plot-affecting decisions, they'll likely be because of Spider (see point 1)

4. Jake will have to die at some point, and since (I heard) A3 will no longer have him as a narrator, a possible theory could be that he dies in A3. But somehow I doubt it, it seems too early.

5. Opening eyes parallel - James Cameron has made a point to end (and start? I don't remember) both movies with a shot of someone's eyes opening. A1 ended with Jake opening his permanent Avatar body's eyes for the first time, A2 it's Jake again after Neteyam's funeral. So we have a new life -> death parallel. A3 could follow up with someone waking up in the "afterlife" (Eywa) or we go back to new life, so perhaps a new baby or (as mentioned in point 1) Spider's new Na'vi body. But somehow I doubt that Spider will get such a prominent role, since both previous eye shots were taken up by Jake - the main character (less so for A2) and narrator. Seeing as Lo'ak is seemingly the narrator in A3, that opens more possibilities. I don't think Lo'ak will die (or maybe he will and they'll just cycle through the Sully kids as narrators?) so he might get his "eye opening" moment some other way.

6. Kiri's role - she obviously has some "religious" undertones, with her mysterious conception, reincarnation or Grace and close connection to Eywa. A2 showed her literally controlling animals with her mind (no kuru attached) so we can expect more of that in A3. Someone like that is definitely very useful no matter which side we're on, so I can see the RDA and/or Varang's clan trying to get their hands on her/her abilities. If we ham it up to eleven and say that Kiri is a metaphor for Jesus, there might be sacrifice waiting for her at the end of her story.

Do you have predictions/speculations? I'd love to hear them 👀

[fruitmilkshake]

Explaining My na'vi oc's clan; Teyreyma clan.

My native lenguage isn't English, so i'm sorry if i make a mistake at writing this, and i'm sorry if this has Spelling mistakes or if the pronunciation is wrong, with that said, enjoy

Alright... So... Before i start with this, I just wanted to give Credit to @shifterandswiftie on Tiktok, thanks for the na'vi clan name, I was having a hard time finding a name for my Na'vi Oc's clan i decide to name it that way, I was also having some trouble with some ideas for my clan, so all of this is thanks to them, so... With that said, I'm going to start explaining my fanmade clan where my Na'vi oc; Ta'ra, belongs in;

So, the Teyreyma clan, a clan located in the high up of the Iknimaya mountains, here's an example of how would their households look like;

Their ancestors come from the ash clan, as it is said, the next kind of na'vi we will see in Avatar 3, are the fire na'vis, some people are Speculating that the skin of the ash na'vis will be white. So, following that teory, the Teyreyma people come from the ash clan, who are very aggresive and in danger from being finded by the RDA, so some of them emigrated to the mountains so They could avoid the RDA attacks and battles/conflicts.

The apperience of the Teyrema na'vis is basically like the Omatikaya people, the only diference is that their tails are longer, their ears are pointer and that They're albinos, well.... Not really albinos, white... Yeah, Let's you say white.

Since they're childs, the Teyreyma na'vi are made to climb, since they're babies, even before their born, their genes make their hands and feet stronger than a forest na'vi.

The usual name for what they're call is "Seraphites" (Tlou2 reference because of the bridges and the high vigilance places)

Their main way of transporting themself are with the ikrans, also, some of them, the ones that couldn't bond with an ikran, use the direhorses.

funfact, because of their hermit way of living, They call the forest clans, the ones that are on the ground (Like the Omatikaya, the Tayrangi, the Olangi, etc) "The undergrounds".

Their soul tree looks like this, their soul tree is attached to the cealing, while their roots are attached to the wall besides it, and some of them are long enough for them to get attached to the floor;

A few traditions of their clan;

When a na'vi get to a certain age, which is 16-17-18, They have to do a ritual of inication to become hunters and warriors for the clan, the initation ritual consist on a race around the iknamaya mountains, The firsts ones on finishing the race, become the new hunters of the clan. (bassed on the idea from @shifterandswiftie and Horizon Zero dawn)

Before the race, They do a small festival (Like the dream hunt festival) where they give tribute to Eywa for all the new children and future hunters of the clan.

When a warrior/member of the clan passes away, that's the only reason the na'vis of this clan go down to the forest clans, to do a funeral for the deceased, more close to Eywa.

During the cold weathers, the na'vis use this for their advance to hunt on the "undergrounds", taking advance that thanks to their white skin among the fog, their Camouflage is better than when it's sunny.

And to finish this, the songs that remains me of this clan;

Well, that's all, I would have added more images, now that I know how to do it, but to do that, I would have to go to google and use Tumblr from there, and it's a pain in the ass to make posts from there, so.... Yeah, Let's say that's all, I'll do more post referred to this one, but for now, this is all I'll do.

So... Yeah, with that said, take care, I hope y'all enjoyed reading this, bye!

[xenomorphee3]

What do you think about Varang, the Ash Clans of Acatar 3? If you can, do you have any predictions on what you think Varang will be like, her relationship with Quaritch - we know for sure from spoilers that they will make some contact as well as if they will mirror a darker side to Jeytiri, and what the culture of the Ash Clans will be like - we just know they’re more hostile than the other clans

Can’t wait for the next chapter!

Hey this a great question and I wish I knew! In fact, my anticipation for the Quaritch dynamic with the Ash People is one of the biggest factors in me writing my story. What's funny is that I was not aware of like leaks and stuff for Avatar 3 or even Varang's name. I only knew based on what Jon Landau shared that there would be "Ash Na'vi," that their elemental symbolism was fire, and that they would represent a "darker" side to Na'vi.

With this information (and being catastrophically down bad for Quaritch lol 😅), in early January I started crafting my own version of the Ash People and created our beloved Zu as a "Varang" stand-in. So in a way my story IS an embellished version of what I think could possibly happen/is at least plausible at a broad theme level (particularly in the earlier chapters). Now for Avatar 3 whether or not the Ash People will have any positive rapport with the RDA is uncertain. However, I think it could be very possible given that it's near certain Quaritch will be working with them, but I imagine he'd keep his loyalty to the RDA for a good bit of time (at least two more movies worth--much longer than I depict in my story).

I also do think the Ash Na'vi in Avatar 3 will potentially exploit Pandora a bit more than what we've seen other Na'vi do. The reason for this is just based on who James Cameron depicts as villains in Avatar. He is very explicit that the bad guy thing in Avatar is exploitation and destruction of nature (and colonization). So I would expect the Ash Na'vi to keep with this theme. And such matches their associated symbolic element of fire-- which burns and was necessary to the industrial revolution. Probably not to an extreme extent, they are still Na'vi, but... it would make sense. This is why I depicted my Ash Na'vi as embracing of human technology and a little more environmentally destructive than other Na'vi. But we'll see!

I have no idea what Quaritch and Varang's dynamic/relationship will be like to be honest, and I think many people (myself included) are making a lot of assumptions that may or may not hold true in the end. But it's just fun speculation! The Quaritch fan in me ships them *very* hard haha as, yes, kind of like this anti-Jeytiri. Na'vi but dark compared to what we have seen. There is an interview Stephen Lang saying:

"Hope doesn't exist without despair. Eden doesn't exist without the serpent. Quaritch is a necessity, he becomes part of the fabric of Pandora, even if it's to test it."

So that vibes with the idea that he's this dark antithesis. In particular, Jake's anti as it seems Cameron has presented him in Way of Water with his uncanny parallels. Regarding a relationship with an "anti-Neytiri" which may be what Varang is, there are set and cast photos of Stephen Lang and Varang's Actress Oona Chaplin looking close and friendly, but eh that could mean SO many things!

Beyond my just liking Quaritch, I personally think it would be super cool and make sense to the story-- I'd love to see Varang help Quaritch come to embrace being a Na'vi and Pandora, but in a dark way, the way Neytiri did for Jake. Because then you also have the unique influence of Spider who will clearly be some helping hand for multiple characters in the films (Socorro means "help" or "aid). Of course, some people don't want this and think it'd be a cheap knock-off of Jake and Neytiri and could make things too messy for Quaritch's as a character given that Spider is already his primary relationship, and I can fully respect that! But James Cameron cooks.

Naturally, I'm just along for James Cameron's Avatar ride. Whatever direction he takes Quaritch (If Quaritch doesn't get a hot bad bitch Ash Na'vi girl in the end or just flat out dies, I still have my story lmao)

I was kind of bummed about the leaks at first because it felt like they took the wind out of my story's sails where it was existing in, at that point, an uncertain Avatar future. Some of the Avatar 3 script leaks even had dialogue that was freakishly close to some I'd written. But ultimately, this kind of worked out so that my stories would just be a reasonable alt-universe from the get-go. Though, I wouldn't be at all surprised if my story has genuine similarities with how some things go down since I think Avatar 2 has done a good job of broadcasting some overt aspects of Avatar 3 (in a good way!) and I worked hard to be keen on them. Many writers have! Anyway, this last paragraph is a tangent.

Sorry for the long answer! Next chapter of Happiness is Simple is up by the way! 💙

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These are so cool 🤩

The details on those Windtraders living ships are really amazing and it looks like they really go everywhere.

Varang's flying a six-limbed creature like toruk but smaller. Her people capture Quaritch and they already have guns so he isn't there to show them how to use guns.

I wonder what is that meeting of Metkayina and tulkun going to be about. Maybe where tulkun can go to avoid the hunt. Maybe some tulkun decide to fight back.

New Avatar 3 concept art!!

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BREAKING: Jared Leto will appear as Morbius in the 2025 film Avatar: Fire and Ash. According to the official press statement, "Morbius comes to Pandora in search of the rare mineral Morbium, which fuels his powers."

"I'm excited to morb it up on screen again," Leto said in an interview with Jimmy Fallon. "Those blue bastards won't know what hit 'em."

The announcement has ignited fan speculation that Morbius and the cast of Avatar will appear in the sixth Avengers film, recently re-titled Morb Wars.

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Short Story: Naomi Kanakia “Everquest”

If you are a trans gamer, it’s practically a guarantee that some of your first experiments with gender were digital. I absolutely created more than a few female Night Elves on my friend’s World of Warcraft account when I was a deep-in-the-closet preteen. Naomi Kanakia’s “Everquest” dives deep into this relationship between avatar and self. By literalizing the fantasy of this transformation, Kanakia captures a uniquely trans feeling of escape that gaming allows and ends in a space that is both melancholy but also undeniably hopeful and at peace.

The short story is available for free in the Lightspeed Magazine.

This short story is also available in the book:

We’re Here: The Best Queer Speculative Fiction 2020 by C.L. Clark

Book Genre: Fantasy, LGBT, Short Stories ISBN # 9781952086274 Edition Language: English Date of Publication: 2021-8-

We’re Here 2020 includes the following stories from 2020: “If You Take My Meaning” by Charlie Jane Anders (Tordotcom, February 26, 2020) “A Voyage to Queensthroat” by Anya Johanna DeNiro (Strange Horizons, August 2020) “Rat and Finch are Friends” by Innocent Chizaram Ilo (Strange Horizons, March 2020) “Salt and Iron” by Gem Isherwood (Podcastle, May 2020) “The Currant Dumas” by L.D. Lewis (Glitter + Ashes, edited by dave ring) “Everquest” by Naomi Kanakia (Lightspeed, October 2020) “Portrait of Three Women with an Owl” by Gwen C. Katz (The Future Fire, February 2020) “The Ashes of Vivian Firestrike” by Kristen Koopman (Glittership, May 2020) “To Balance the Weight of Khalem” by RB Lemberg (Beneath Ceaseless Skies, March 2020) “Thin Red Jellies” by Lina Rather (Gigonotosaurus, February 2020) “Body, Remember” by Nicasio Andres Reed (Fireside, November 2020) “Escaping Dr. Markoff” by Gabriela Santiago (The Dark, March 2020) “The Last Good Time to Be Alive” by Waverly SM (Reckoning 4, edited by Danika Dinsmore and Arkady Martine) “Monsters Never Leave You” by Carlie St. George (Strange Horizons, June 2020) “The Wedding After The Bomb” by Brendan Williams-Childs (Catapult, April 2020) “8-Bit Free Will” by John Wiswell (Podcastle, November 2020) Our incredible cover is by Sajan Rai.

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After Zoe's interview where she said Sullys would "go their separate ways" I've seen a lot of people worrying about Jake's and Neytiri's marriage.

“It’s going to be an emotional roller coaster,” she says. “The way ‘The Way of Water’ ended was unimaginably painful for the Sully family. Now, they have to make really strong decisions. Do they stay united and find common ground, or do they go their separate ways? And God knows what’s going to happen to the existing children.”

I think they do have different ideas on how this war should go as we saw even in ATWOW with Jake being tired of war (he avoids it until he can no more) and Neytiri wanting to just fight until all the invaders are gone (she's right but it's easier said then done). Fallout from Neteyam's death and the whole thing with Spider (staying with them, Quaritch) won't help either. Still, I don't see them breaking up ever. I think they will just make choices that will separate the family.

I have some ideas about what will happen but these rely on leaks (here if you want to read them) and other spoilers so only click below if you don't mind spoilers/already know.

I think the Sully family is getting physically separated - 1. because the kids are being sent away for safety and 2. because Jake is getting captured by RDA. And the strong decisions are what they have to make in each case.

After Spider gets his ability to breathe, he is set to become prime target for RDA since they would love to have that for their people. And Jake is already a prime target, even more after the SeaDragon battle and after he gets back into the fight and creating anti-RDA alliance. Sending kids away from the main forces means they are less likely makes sense but it also means their parents aren't there to protect them. I think they will all be sent back to Awa'atlu including Spider to Neytiri's displeasure.

It seems like a lot of the movie will also separate Jake and Neytiri during different events. We see only Jake is there during the initial escape from Ash Na'vi with the kids and Quaritch (Neytiri finds them later with the rescue party as Quaritch escapes with Wainfleet). This means Jake has to cooperate with Quaritch and they seem to be able to reach a temporary truce. This also shows Quaritch willing to soften his stance as he's not as hellbent on killing Jake as he was during AWOTW. He is now willing to bring him in alive (dead only if he has to).

This matters because there are indications that Jake does get captured eventually. There was a material (now removed) in behind the Scenes showing Jake in handcuffs with Quaritch and Wainfleet and attacking Parker Selfridge. It is possible that it's also Jake in orange prison jumpsuit on the screenshot showing Quaritch and Lyle in some high tech room (possibly on board the Factory Ship).

So this initial moment of cooperation to save the kids probably keeps Jake alive later. I'm sure, however, it didn't make Neytiri happy that he let the man responsible for the attack that killed Neteyam just leave. Not after all they went through in that battle.

She certainly seems to disagree about sending Spider with the kids. She might be right since both he and Jake get captured by RDA, possibly because Jake finally doesn't abandon Spider, but her solution seems to be to kill Spider instead so no wonder they don't see eye to eye there. (BTW I hope the implication she would rather have him dead is either a misreading or gets toned down like Parents from Hell were).

And it seems like the kids each will go in their own direction to - Spider captured and maybe experimented on because of his new ability; Kiri investigating her new abilities; Lo'ak becoming even closer with Payakan and maybe other tulkun. They too probably only come together again at the end.

But I think this capture of Jake is their big separation. I think Jake will try to keep Spider safe instead of abandoning him this time and that will get him captured. I think that finding that common ground about Spider with Quaritch will keep him alive. And I have no doubt Neytiri will lead the effort to free Jake while he will try his best to come back to his family. Possibly in that big Sea Battle we saw teased.

This might be after the rescue

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I think all Sullys leave at the beginning of the film but then after Spider gets the ability to breathe Pandoran air he is going to be sent back to Awa'atlu. I bet all the other kids are sent there too. I wouldn't be surprised that after that Lo'ak promises to never abandon Payakan again.

This might be even more true if Payakan is still alone back then, or worse, the council rejects him again. Lo'ak would never stop fighting for his brother. Or maybe they go through an official spirit sibling ceremony and get matching tattoos.

I wonder if the no romance thing is never or just for now.

The June 2025 Empire UK issue is here and with it another article about Avatar: Fire and Ash. And this one is all about Payakan! Source

Payakan gets a lady friend named Ta'nok in the next movie, but she is not a romantic partner, as the article stresses out. So I guess there goes our ship :(

The article also mentions that Lo'ak will not leave Payakan, so I guess he's gonna stay with the Metkayina, or at least near the ocean in the future. Not really surprised about it, I mean even Tsireya is adapted to the ocean, so it'd make sense for him to stay there anyway.

There's more tulkun characters coming up, including the Matriarch and Patriarch, and there'll be a council meeting and a rite of passage type ceremony (that we may have seen the concept art of before) with the tulkun. I can't wait to learn more about their society!

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Avatar 3 Theory: Varang is Pandora’s Cleopatra

Potential Quaritch x Varang relationship dynamic

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So I’m a soft-core Quarang shipper, I think it’d be cool to see but we have so little information at this time, that it could go wherever with them. It might happen - it might not but let’s entertain what their dynamic could be in a potential romance.

For Funsies :D

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Firstly let’s touch base on Varang herself - again, as of May 2024, we know next to nothing.

We know she is the leader of the ash people and that she is ‘a strong and vibrant central character who encompasses all the sequel saga."- quoted from an interview. Then, seen in behind the scenes from the way of water, she will interact with Quaritch - with him potentially wearing ash Na’vi attire in a later scene.

That is it, the following is all speculation.

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When I think of strong female leaders from history, of course the first woman who pops in mind is Cleopatra - despite being most known for her beauty she was actually an adept mind who received the best education there was, becoming disciplined in many arts and sciences such as chemistry, strategy & politics, also speaking 9 languages. A woman with great theatric flare and a penchant for the extravagant to say the least - all apart of her persona and psychological manipulation of her allies and enemies.

This all reflects how I think we’re going to see Varang portrayed, a beautiful but fearsome leader who is capable of so much more beyond the surface - strong & vibrant enough to persist through the rest of the franchise as a central character.

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So I’m thinking that Quaritch & Varang’s relationship will mirror Cleopatra’s relationship to both Julius Caesar & Mark Antony.

Quaritch would, in this scenario, represent both Julius Caesar & Mark Antony - he is both the older military leader & strategist, while also being the strong & young, bull-headed Antony - he is both the experienced old human man and the young yet to be tested Na’vi man.

When you read about the three of them, especially Cleopatra & Mark Antony you can see potential parallels with Varang creating alliances via wooing the leader/high ranking recombinant Quaritch of the RDA-human faction.

The romance of the relationship ultimately secondary to the political power and actual military power gained by both sides:

- The ash people gaining a powerful ally that will cement their future upon Pandora above all other Na’vi, protecting themselves in human expansion whilst emboldening their power - antagonistic but maybe not necessarily villainous.

- The RDA gaining a native fighting force with potentially knowledge of the entire moon at their fingertips (outcasts from all over the planet having joined the ash people). An entire faction of ‘Pacified hostiles’ one may even say. It would also do the RDA well to have some natives who aren’t opposed to their presence - especially for optics with Earth.

A powerful alliance to control Pandora - just as Egypt & Rome under Cleopatra & her Roman lovers - is cemented with a union between Varang & Quaritch.

Anyway this is just all speculation based on nothing really, but I think it would be cool to see if historical figures could inspire this franchise going forward.