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wingheadshellhead · 10 months
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Steve Rogers & Tony Stark in Black Tie Formal
Kevin Wada NYCC 2015 commission / Avengers Unlimited: Infinity Comic (2023) #52-53 / Empyre: Aftermath Avengers (2020) #1 / Captain America Vol. 6 (2011) #5
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Empyre: Aftermath Avengers #1
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scarlet--wiccan · 1 year
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Do you know of any good examples of Pietro being coloured with darker skin? There’s the new SW solo and No Surrender but is there any other that you know of?
I hope the positive change we’ve seen with colouring Wanda correctly will extend to him as well
Depends on your definition of "darker." A lot of what passes for brown or tan in comic books is shockingly light to me.
There are plenty of comics, particularly in the 90s, where Pietro and Wanda are somewhat tan, but that's usually just because the artists were working in a warmer color palette. It's not an intentional choice-- they're usually in the same shade range as other white characters.
Things really started to change with Quicksilver: No Surrender. The color artist, Rico Renzi, intentionally gave the twins deeper skin tones, and I've heard that this is something the writer, Saladin Ahmed, specifically requested from him. Unfortunately, you can't really tell in most issues, since Pietro is mostly alone in a grayscale setting, and the flashback sequences were colored by a different artist. Still, it really stands out in the final issue, and it was the start of a slow but steady change for the entire Maximoff family.
Over the past four years, many artists have begun changing the way they draw Wanda, Pietro, Billy and Tommy. Here's a quick timeline:
Rico Renzi went on to color Wanda and Pietro with brown skin an issue of Squirrel Girl Beats Up The Marvel Universe
Marcelo Maiolo gave Billy a deep tan on the cover of Empyre: Aftermath Avengers and in a splash page of Marvel's Voices: Pride.
Jesus Aburtov gave Wanda noticeably tan skin tone in Darkhold.
Rye Hickman and Brittany Peer drew both Wanda and Pietro with defined noses, curly hair, and brown skin in Who Is the Scarlet Witch?
Russel Dauterman debuted his new design for Wanda ahead of the 2022 Hellfire Gala-- in all of his illustrations and design sheets, she has light brown skin, dark curly hair, and a defined nose.
Peach Momoko began drawing Wanda with brown skin in official cover art and personal pieces during the Judgement Day event, which has been mimicked to varying degrees by several other artists.
Scarlet Witch (2023) is announced, featuring Dauterman's Gala design as Wanda's new definitive look. Dauterman is on covers, with Pichelli and Wilson on interiors. In the most recent previews, Wanda and Pietro both have rich, warm brown skin.
The Maximoff family appears together in Love Unlimited: Hulkling & Wiccan. They are initially shown with fair skin, but by the end of the series, color artist Matt Milla has noticeably adjusted Billy's skin to a light brown.
I had a brief conversation with Dauterman on Instagram last month and he acknowledged that Wanda's new look was an intentional choice and was glad to hear that it's making people happy. I'm delighted that so many artists are starting to take cues from his choice, and Renzi's, to show Wanda and Pietro this way.
Here's Pietro in Squirrel Girl:
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And here's the twins in Scarlet Witch again BECAUSE LOOK AT THEM!
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sineala · 8 months
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18+ 616 Steve/Tony Discord Book Club: Avengers Weddings
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On the 616 Steve/Tony Discord server, our Book Clubs alternate between reading Captain America, Iron Man, and Avengers comics. This week is an Avengers week, and for absolutely no particular reason at all, we are reading a selection of wedding-themed issues. There have been quite a few Avengers weddings in the past sixty years of comics, and we're going to read them all.
Hank/Jan: Avengers vol 1 #59-60 (1968)
Wanda/Vision: Giant-Size Avengers vol 1 #4 (1975)
Clint/Bobbi: Hawkeye vol 1 #4 (1983)
Rick/Marlo: Incredible Hulk vol 1 #417 & #418 (1994)
Luke/Jess: New Avengers vol 1 Annual #1 (2006)
T'Challa/Ororo: Black Panther vol 4 #18 (2006)
Steve/Tony: Dark Reign Fantastic Four #2 (2009)
Billy/Teddy: Empyre #4 & #5, Empyre Aftermath Avengers (2020)
Okay, yes, one of those is not quite like the others, but I wasn't going to leave Earth-3490 off the list, was I?
Seriously, these are a whole lot of fun, and pretty much all of them have Steve and Tony showing up for the ceremony. I mean, not Hank and Jan's, because Steve and Tony specifically had some "urgent business of their own" to take care of. Right. Yeah. And also not Clint and Bobbi's because they eloped about a week after meeting each other. And not T'Challa and Ororo's, because Steve and Tony could not manage to peacefully be in a room with each other and had to leave. But, you know, everything else. They also both attended Rick Jones' bachelor party. I bet Steve wishes he had not attended Rick's bachelor party. I also bet Rick wishes he, Rick, had not attended Rick's bachelor party.
One of these weddings was nearly ruined by Mephisto! Come guess which one! (One also had giant snakes, and another one also had Kang, but those two are pretty easy guesses.) If you join us on Discord you can read all the summaries I have been writing and come see a bunch of fun panels I cropped from all of these.
Come join us on You Gave Me A Home, an 18+ comics Steve/Tony Discord server!
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popculturebuffet · 1 year
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Superhero Wedding Valentine's Day Special II: Hulkling and Wiccan (Empyre #5 and Empyre Aftermath: Avengers) (Poll Winner)
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Happy valentine's day all you happy people! And it's time for my now annual valentine's day superhero wedding spectacular! For those not here for last year's event: despite not having been married (and being currently single), I love wedding episodes, so last year I had you fine folks pick a superhero wedding for me to review. Last year it was an overwhleming tie between Spider-man having to stop Doc Ock and Aunt may's wedding, cumilating in a nuclear explosion on a canadian island and Kitty Pryde and Colossus diasterous failed wedding.. leading to Gambit successfully stealing it for Rogue. And since that event was a successs, one of my only polls I both coudl complete due to scheduling conflicts and that got plenty of votes, I decided to do it AGAIN this year. And while we got a clear result (gestures above) this race was even tigther. While last year was a very clear tie between the two winners with nothing else coming evne remotely close this year…
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Yup this year's winner was only by one vote with every patreon putting in a good fight.. and my person choice of yellowjacket and the wasp.. doing horrible because in hindsight maybe I shoudl've thought past the fact Hank and Jan are two of my faviorite characters.. into the fact their marraige ends in utter tragedy and abuse, with Janet moving on from it and Hank never forgiving himself and trying to atone for it quite a bit. Especially against three popular couples. LIve and Learn.
I'm delighted with the winner though: Wiccan and Hulkling! It's our first gay wedding on this feature.. I mean it's our third overall but superhero gay weddings are suprisingly rare, and while there have been plenty this is easily the highest profile one. So join me undre the cut for a long explination of these two's love story, the nuptials themselves and one hell of a reception:
So for those not familiar with the happy couple, let's tell their tale: Billy Kaplan and Teddy Altman had what they thought were entirely normal lives. Billy was raised by two loving jewish parents and became obessed with the avengers and Teddy had a loving single mom working in real estate. Then both discovered they had super powers: Billy could make thigns happen if he said it hard enough I.e. "PLEASEDON'TBLOWUPPLEASEDON'TBLOWUP" and while he struggled at first with that and being gay, a chance meeting with the Scarlet Witch helped convince him being diffrent wasn't so bad and to embrace what he was while Teddy found out he was green and could shapeshift, taking on human skin to fit in till some jackass he had a crush on abused that power and he decided "yeah fuck that. "
Both were recruited by Iron Lad in the wake of Avengers Disassembled. To make a long, poorly told story short: Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch, once upon a time made two children with the vision… literally it turned out as her boys were both magic and were stolen by a d-list villian and made into baby hands
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She had an entirley understandable mental breakdown from that and her husband turning emotoinless.. as well as the fact none of her friends thought "Let's get her therapy ya know?". She apparently recovered but brian micheal bendis didn't do his research, so she later had another break down when an old woman refused to let her just reconstruct her children. Like.. she wasn't breaking into another universe and stealing someone else's kids, Agatha. Comeon. And yeah comics agatha is an old woman it's a long story.
Thanks to Agatha Harkness assholery, Wanda had a mental breakdown again this time far mroe grandly because Brian MIchael Bendis didn't think that maybe this was a touch insesntive. And this was back when most of his writing was GOOD. This was the EXCEPTION.
Said exception lead to the deaths of my boys Vision, Scott Lang and Hawkeye. As you can probably guess all got better, but it still left a lasting impact. And anyone whose seen wandavision or int he multiverse of madness can probably guess why i'm telling this story, yet are a tad puzzled.
With the avengers gone a visitor for the future , Iron Lad, showed up with the avengers protocol, recurting people Vision had in mind in case the avengers fell.. which was a bunch of teens instead of old hands, but I find that clever: it's likely this is intended if shit REALLY goes south and most avengers past and present are gone. Iron Lad simply used it because what was left of the avengers woudn't listen to him.
As a result he gathered Billy and Teddy
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Along with Patriot, the son of lost captain america Issaiah Bradley, a super soldier given tuskgee style experiments and lockeda way for decades. Turns out Iron Lad wasn't ENTIRELY up front as he was actually a young Kang the Conquerer, upcoming villian of ant man and the wasp and total prick. Iron Lad is one of Kang's many variants and this one is entirely his fault as he went to his young self to inspire him, to show him what he'd be and assumed naturally his younger not yet jaded, bored and longing for conquest self would be entirley happy to find out
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He very obviously wasn't and gathered the team to fight him, also picking up Cassie Lang, daughter of Scott Lang whose mom and step dad were total pricks at the time and badly wanted to follow in her dad's footsteps and due to being around him and getting saturated in pym particles could turn giant. Together they fought kang, and Iron Lad had to leave after stabbing him but left his armor behind which became the new vision.
While the avengers tried to stop these daring new heroes because they were being kinda dicks at the time, they only grew, gathering new member Kate Bishop Hawkeye, who after being rescued by these lads at a wedding used her vast fortune to buy them a base, new outfits and new equipment.
It was soon after this Teddy and Billy found out shit was way more complicated than they thought: Billy found out he was the reincarnation of one of the Scarlet Witch's twins, something that was naturally rattling as it was exciting and found his brother, Tommy, who had a much rougher life but came to embrace his new family and joined the team as Speed.
Teddy.. had it even worse with his revelation as the super skrull came a knocking, burnt his mom, and Teddy found out the truth: his mom was his adopted mom, which once again gets complicated because the writer of the first run of young avengers, Alan Heinberg, did really well tying these two into continuity, but it also means there's a lot to unpack when your just saying it instead of putting it in a story. During the Kree-Skrull War, long story, Captain Mar-Vell, the first Captain Marvell and a kree soldier turned galactic hero met the princess of the shapeshifting Skrulls breifly. They had a quick affair, and rightly fearing for her child's life , his mom had her handmaiden take Teddy to his father. Said father was dead of cancer so she raised him herself. Super Skrull's natural reaction.. was to burn her.
Klrt ended up atoning a bit, playing Teddy to give both races shared custody, while Teddy remained on earth. Over all this he and Billy had fallen in love and were happy together with Billy's parents gladly taking his boyfriend in, having figured out he was gay (not so much he was a superhero) and warmly welcoming the boy. It's really sweet. The avengers realized they'd been dicks and decided to back off giving the kids full sponsorship.
Billy and Teddy were fan faviorites and it was easy to see why: While Marvel had gay characters before this , most either had to be hidden in plain sight (Mystique and Destiny) to get past censors, or were b-list characters that while great , didn't leave a huge impact (Northstar). While teen versions of the avengers, Billy and Tommy were still fairly high profile and depsite writer and creator Alan Heinberg being busy in CALLLLIFFFOOORRRNNIIIAAAAAA, the Young Avengers were kept pretty high up and a part of most crossovers from then on out in some form. Not only that the fact the two were gay , while something they had to deal with this being the early 2000's, was celebrated and a non issue for their parents, something that was rare in this kind of story at the time.
The two would stick around a while, and Tommy would eventually get his mom back during Alan Heinberg's long delayed The Children's Crusade.. which is kind of a mess and something best left for another time but in short, the twins reunited with their mom, who nicely lives in step with Billys adopted parent (Tommy's abandoned him so he's fine), and Dr. Doom killed cassie lang after bringing back her dad. It's a lot.
In the wake of this a new volume of Young Avengers by one of my faviorite comic book writers, Kireon Gilleon launched and the couple faced some issues despite getting engaged in the wake of Children's Crusade: Billy accidently summoned a dimenson hopping parasite named mother, forcing an all new iteration of the young avengers (Billy, Teddy and Kate along with Progidy, America Chavez, Teen Loki and Marvel Boy), to step up and take her out. The adventure was important as it asked an obvious question.. okay Loki did because who else: Did Billy .. wish Teddy into existance? I Mean his existance was pretty conveient: a struggling gay kid suddenly gets a handsome boyfriend whose also the secret son of captain marvel? He wasn't of course, but it was a good line to explore, the two eventuallyr econciled and peace was had.
The two would go on to be part of New Avengers, a book I loved by another writer I loved and the one who wrote these issues, Al Ewing. They worked with former New Mutant, Avenger and All Around awesome guy Sunspot as he took over former supervillian hive aim and tried to make it something good… by buyign them out as their traded like any company and most of them liked him better as a boss than whatever super villian took it over that week. The takeaway here is the two got an apartment, and Teddy got cemented as future king of space by taking up a cool as hell sword, but refused the throne for now.
This leads us, finally, to Empyre, the event the wedding's a part of.. as a massive twist mid story. It's also really one of the only lasting effects this event had, the other being the major catalyst for two future al ewing books: Guardians of the galaxy, which we'll cover the first arc of in May for obvious reasons, and SWORD which is awesome.
Empyre.. is as bit of a mess and one of MANY marvel events that feels like it's there JUST to be a marvel event. It's especailly hard to look back on after last year's Judgment Day, an event that truly FELT like it needed to be one, had massive lasting consequences for the x-men and nicely tied up writer Kireon Gilleon's eternals run, while telling a compelling story. As you can probably guess it's on my to do list. Empyre.. only is if I ever cover Dan Slott's fantastic four run which given i'm set to cover another disasterous run of his very soon, is thankfully getting pushed back.
Empyre is a long story: the short of it is Teddy united the long fueding Kree and Skrull empires, another thing that stuck ever since, and took them to earth to wipe out the cotai… which echoed history as the kree had done this before but the Coatai had decided thanks to that to wipe out all life.
Along the way Teddy ends up getting kidpanped and replaced by hisg randma who goes mad with power
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Forcing the human torch and carol danvers to run , getting teleported.. to the happy couple's apartment, where Billy not only reveals the ruse (if not whose behind it as he dosen't know) as having dated Teddy so long he knows his facial tics to a t.. and because
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Yup. Props to Slott and Ewing, and it's why I brought up him writing New Avengers: Ewing clearly loved the characters and made it a goal to give them a bigger place in the marvel universe with this event, and also snuck a gay wedding into one of the biggest events of the year. Kudos. Slott helped too, I guess. I mean credit where it's due he did co write it, I just feel this was likely Ewing's push aand Slott, being a progressive, gladly went along with it.
That leads us to issue 5 and to the actual nuptials. We won't be covering this one in full, as there's still a LOT of empyre stuff here. It's what makes covering some of the more mordern superhero weddings tricky as due to being written for the trade stories can often require an entire arc to get there. I got lucky with X-Men as whlie there was plenty of build up, the wedding itself was contained to one issue plus some bonus bits in the first issue of mr and mrs x. This one.. is smack int he middle of a massive and messy crossover event with 80 dozen tie ins. Thankfully the wedding itself is a short scene and the second wedding with a much larger crowd is contained to an aftermath issue. So after much ado let's GET to that wedding shall we?
We open Empyre #5 with Billy explaning it to Johnny and Carol.. who I"m not sure he'd even met before this, but hey, it's comics so the answer is "probably. At any rate he explains the two had an hour before Teddy left to become king of space. And as two 20 somethings at this point they used half of it already.
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I see his point.. also we get a mildy gross bit of Carol apparently deying the eye thing despite the art showing it.. despite being at least twice his age.
Having learned well from his time under Roberto, aka sunspot, Teddy already had a crazy wedding scheme ready to go, including a special guest to precede over it:
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Yup that's creator Alan Heinberg, a really sweet gesture.. and one he was well aware of. He and Jim Chung, who co created the characters did a short story for the marvel comics #1000 story staring the young avengers.. in the same outfits they'd wear to this wedding, placing it RIGHT AFTER said wedding. He was of course honored when asked about the cameo and I thoguht it was a sweet touch: he created them, he got them together.. and now he'd marry them, even if he wouldn't be writing it himself.
So surronded by their friends and brother, they marry and it's just.. utterly enchanting. To wrap up the whole doppleganger plot for you guys as it DOES tie into the aftermath issue as you'd expect: the whole connection thing isn't just beautiful poetry, but just as a percaution (Given the Skrulls and Kree asked Teddy to dump Billy already, yes really. ) Billy left a piece of magic inside his husband.. and thus they find the REAL teddy, bring him to the imposter, and said imposter turns out to be the queen of the skrulls, his grandma and someone who should've died when Galactus ate their homeworld. Teddy wins, they stop a doomsday weapon, the plant people are stopped and the evfent as a whole ends with Teddy as king of space. But since only a select few got to attend the first ceremony due to time constraints.. we get Aftermath, a proper wedding issue as the two get married again in front of more friends, Billy's parents, and of course their royal space court.
We open with Teddy visiting his grandma in jail. She explains how she's alive and became a kree infiltrator: she teleported out, leaving her daughter to die because.. well she kidnapped her own grandson and usurped him for power, she didn't have far to fall. She bided her time to try this scheme failled and does the usual villian thing of mocking teddy for his weakness.. before asking how his REAL wedding went.. thus we flash back to the other day
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While Billy was happy with the small wedding.. he's equally happy with the huge rager, featuring tons of characters including those just fresh from the crossover, in case your curious why Wolverine and Spidey are wearing ff style uniforms. Which look dope by the way, they may of been for a fairly meehhhhh tie in but those outfits need to make a comeback. It's a nice spread.
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Among the guests are recent newlyweds themselves ben grimm and alicia masters, Robby Reyes ghost rider palling around with venom, the guardians of the galaxy including recent couple Noh Varr and Hercules, and the richards kids who are for some reason laying down next to each other stoned out of their minds. God I hope ti's just that
We also get a really nice moment from Cap as he admits their constant attempts to stop the Young Avengers was one of his greatest regrets. Granted it leads to registration coming up and thor quickly stops that with a drink for everyone: Skrullian Fruit Juice for Tony, Mead for THor and an american beer for Steve. The toast is not to the groom or the groom, but to the father of the groom, Captain Marvel, and it's a really touching tribute to their absent friend who they know would be proud if he coudl see this.
So we cut to Teddy also thinking about his dad: his mom tried calling him but he was you know busy and in space and likely failed before word of his cancer diagnoiss reached him. Carol however gives the two a nice congradultions in her predecessor and friends stead…. but soon has her own problems as Abigail Brand walks up to her. Abigail Brand is the former head of SWORD, basicallys hield but dealing with space threats, having been raised in space. It also puts her in my wheelhouse. She also works under Carol at Alpha Flight, SWORD'S replacement…. and is rightfully pissed at carol for going to the cotai without bothering to contact the giant space agency she runs.
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And .. she's entirley right. I agree with all of it. The Coatai got in because the avengers ate the hummus as they later put it and Carol tended to just.. call on the avengers. Which was fine when she was just carol danvers and not head of an organzation DESIGNED to counter this sort of thing. Abby is told to back off by Teddy, as while he agrees she has a point this isn't the time or place and she leaves, quitting this bitch.
Carol agrees she had a point and while her friends all assure her "nah they probably woudl've sucked too", though at least Reed Richards agrees she has a point: the earths heroes have acted a bit too unilaterally and have to be better.
Billy however is more unnerved as he noticed something… in a group full of 50 or so avengers, the fantastic four, and the guardians of the galaxy.. everyone looked at Teddy. T'Challa helpfully guides his fellow ruler.
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It's the highest compliment that Roberto probably TRULY dosen't have an actual plan to kill his friends.. incpaciate them or talk sense into them maybe, but it's clear he trusts them to rule wisely. Granted he probably has like.. 80 backup plans if they get overthrown but given he's currently living part time in the shiar empire where a regime change is called "Tuesday" I can't say I blame him.
With that Kate breaks out crying as she met them at a wedding.. and now this is happening. We get a sweet moment as everyone reunites.
Back in the present we get some more Empyre wrap up as Teddy rebukes his grandma but shows that while a kind just ruler.. he isn't soft. He lays into Super Skrull, who helped with the coup, for murdering his mom, slaps the guy and rather than give him the easy out of death.. he gives him the job as ambassador, to help save lives to make up for all those killed which he graciously accepts. General Glory, the kree equilvent refuses and agrees to a cell instead saying Teddy will need him.. and we flash forward as he indeed does as things are dire.. until the calvary arrives.
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Welcome to SWORD.. a story for another day surely… but for now A toast to the groom to the groom to the groom to the groom , and to the other groom the other groom the other groom, may they always be satisfied and may some idiot not break them up. For now though this status quo has held, these two are happy and they rule over space, together.. as it should be. THanks for readnig and happy valentines day.
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kippahkaplan · 2 years
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to my surprise i'm about to kriish right into this blog in the year 2022 with one of my comfort comics for the two years it's been out for, EMPYRE : AVENGERS AFTERMATH ( 2020 ). as much as i've heard people call this the "jewish" wedding of billyteddy, which it is, i've heard similarly the call for a third wedding with billy and teddy following kree-skrull traditions. the concept of a third wedding is spectacular ( and if we're going with school house rock's opinions on numbers, 3 is the magic number ), but i think a lot of people forget the fact that there were kree-skrull traditions involved with the second wedding — such as the one shown above. while it is a technical crowning of billy as both prince consort and court wizard, they are also rejoicing in billy and teddy's union.
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other examples involve the two elders, kal-torr and j'bahzz ( whose names i will constantly forget because they're a part of the fantastic four tieins and i didn't really pay attention to that part of the storyline whatsoever lol ), both of which nod to the idea that the kree and skrulls are both warrior races and fighting, even in the presence of a marriage, unbelievably, is a part of both of their traditions. going off topic, i do like the idea that these two empires are pretty integral in traditions because of how intertwined their histories are, even if they're at the opposite ends of each other's swords. with that being said, in all honesty, i like the concept that this marriage is both a jewish wedding and a kree-skrull wedding. i don't really think there's a need for a third wedding, because the second one, in a way, is combining both billy and teddy culturally as it is spiritually. billy did want "a wedding wedding," after all, as said in NEW AVENGERS VOLUME FOUR ( 2015 ).
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i don't think the first engagement was all that perfect, the second one proves itself just as more put together as the last. while not excusing how rushed the ending of AVENGERS : THE CHILDREN'S CRUSADE ( 2010 ) was, i think them having a neat little parallel of a hurriedly put together wedding then a proper wedding is well contrasted. plus, THE LAST ANNIHILATION : WICCAN & HULKLING ( 2021 ) holds one of the most jewish moments we've ever gotten with billy, and that's him referencing song of songs 2:16. my live reaction on twitter of this is brief, but the importance of it still remains near and dear to my heart.
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all of that to say : i think the amount of weddings they've had is perfect and just in the traditional way had billy wanted them to be.
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srslyarts · 1 year
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A little life update! I finally got back home from my trip!!
Bought some fanmerchs at SGCC yesterday
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Got myself some autographs as well 🥰
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Some comic haul (I've been looking for Empyre Hulkling and the YA cover of the Avengers Empyre Aftermath since it came out 😭😭) + a Rainbow Dash figure from the same store to add to my collection (which is cramped rn 😂)!
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And lastly!!! My two-sided GO totebag finally arrived! There's something so fullfiling about making a fanmerch for yourself <3 (enjoy my cat cameo too lol)
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Sorry that this is a bit long!! The past few months have been trying and this trip is the break I needed and have been waiting for 🥲🥲
That said, hope everyone else have a nice day and the rest of the month 💕🌟
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youngavengerscameos · 2 years
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The cover and a variant cover of Empyre: Aftermath Avengers (2020) #1
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jabberwockey · 2 years
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Avengers (2018)
Empyre: Aftermath (2020)
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moontours · 3 years
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WE CAUGHT UP TO EMPYRE’S AFTERMATH BESTIES WE MADE IT
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evilhorse · 4 years
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Well, boys, that was my first outer space same-sex Jewish wedding, but I hope it’s not my last.
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wingheadshellhead · 3 years
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steve and tony finally reaching a place where they can joke about civil war without either one having a mental breakdown that’s GROWTH
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Empyre: Avengers Aftermath #1
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Billy betraying Teddy for/against list, kind of (a.k.a Empyre Aftermath theories)
Again this is going to be based on my personal views and options/ideas I’ve seen around. If you see an idea or thought that you have discussed with me please point it out and I’ll tag you.
Points/Clues for Billy being the traitor
In Strikeforce the Vridai guy said “Like any plague, we infect the weakest. Those among you who steal, lie, cheat and backstab for your goals.”. I’m not too familiar with the other characters in Strikeforce if I’m honest but I guess at least with some of them that makes sense but can’t say it for all. However, I have no idea how that could really fit Billy, unless it refers to his magic use. Which is what made me think (and fear) that it is some sort of foreshadowing notion on his half? This is maybe the biggest hint/clue that made me wonder that maybe it is indeed Billy afterall...
He is in the last supper frame. Yeah he’s there, that’s about it. 
His betrayal would REALLY hurt Teddy. Like no-one else is that close to Teddy. No-one else could really have his FULL trust in any situation. Also others might side with Billy if this happened. Like after all he is from Earth, and possesses a crazy amount of power. Like we’ve seen what he can do, wouldn’t want to be on a wrong side of him would you?
If this ties in with the Cotati getting their weapons, Billy has the powers needed to get those weapons I suppose. But then again why’d he do that to start with? He sees that it will lead to Teddy taking his seat as an emperor? Why’d Billy want that, he doesn’t seem very power hungry himself so yeah Cotati weapon stuff kind of put some odd light on Billy when thinking who would have the power to help them but otherwise it just raises questions. 
Magneto/Wanda approval or whatever. It’s been thrown around and yeah I guess that would be an option and there is all the Krakoa business going on and it ties to Billy too. 
Ways it would be believable in any way (personal opinions)
Mind control (un-interesting imho) not even going to think who it could be but like umh it wouldn’t then even really be Billy because he wasn’t himself. Also we kind of saw that in the NA already with that odd leech thingie. 
Shapeshifting (un-interesting imho) yeah someone trapping Billy and taking his form. Who would it be, don't know, Teddy’s granny? But yeah the storyline was used just last year for the same characters so just ugh no boring, don’t do it Ewing (if he even is in control of all this)
Billy sees the possible realities and sees that only by betraying Teddy he can reach safety of someone/most who are involved in whatever conflict is going on. Or he can wipe stuff out and do some reality warping magic. Well why do it in the first place if you are just going to erase it all? Just yeah...not a good way to go imho.
If Kaplans were in danger. Like they are his family, his parents and his brothers. He’d probably do anything for them and probably only people in the world that could be equal with Teddy for Billy. Surely he’d be torn making that decision but might end up choosing his family’s side as they are in a way more vulnerable than Teddy (no super powers, no empyre etc.). They’d need Billy more and I actually think Teddy wouldn’t see that as a betrayal as such and would understand being Teddy after all. 
Honest, I personally can’t see any satisfying way of making Billy the traitor in a believable way outside the Kaplan one. Ewing really has to pull some mad man surprises here to make this work.
Why I think it is not or at least shouldn’t be Billy
It would be a bit too obvious and a boring choice in my opinion both as a writer and a reader. Would personally avoid that kind of plotline.
Yes he is in the supper frame but then again he is not on Judas’ spot or even on the same side. Had to actually google that because well not too familiar with all this bible related stuff. Was wondering though if this actually hints that those who betray Teddy are on the “Judas” side and those who don't are on the other side? Anyone more familiar with Jesus and his follower shit? Would make sense though that A.I.M guys would be behind this after all they were turning their coats and having secret plots (excluding Billy and Teddy) during the NA run as well. 
With Magneto and Wanda related ideas, not sure Billy would choose them over Teddy. Really I see Billy’s bond with Teddy being way WAY stronger than Wanda and Magneto. And honestly Billy already has a perfect and loving family without Maximoffs’ approval and all so why’d he choose them over Teddy in any world? Don’t see him really needing them at least that much that he’d ruin his marriage and relationship with the kindest creature one can find. 
As said earlier can’t really see any way it could be done well or without going OOC and being believable. 
Just a little bit too tragic trope for a gay couple to break them up after a massive wedding hype last year. 
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Valentine's Superhero Wedding 2: Electric Boogalo
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Yes folks, I decided to take one of my most succesful poll (and one of the few that was succesful at all ) and make it a yearly tradition. So to explain for those of you who weren't around for last year: I love wedding stories in any form of media, and I love superhero comics, so I decided to take both and mash em together, and let my patreons and myself each pick one from the very weird and wonderful halls of comicdom and let you fine folks pick one for me to review. The poll is above if you just want to jump into it but if you need a tad more context, here's a quick summary of each nominee! Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) and Hulking (Teddy Altman) (Empyre #5 and Empyre Aftermath Avengers #5): It's a classic love story: Android Boy meets Witch Girl, they fall in love, they have two children, an evil demon makes them into his baby hands, boys somehow get reincarnated back in time, boy meets other boy whose son of two aliens, they fight crime, they fall in love and then hurridely marry each other before the other boy becomes king of space. Billy and Teddy are one of the biggest queer couples in comicdom and due to a combination of weird comic aging, being out of focus for some time and general shenanigans it took the two a while to finally tie the knot as the only intresting part of a fairly dispaointing event. While said event involves Billy having ot save his husband from his grandma and also a bunch of plant men who want to do a genocide, long story that, the real focus is these two crazy kids finally getting married and getting to be happy. Not every major event comic has a gay wedding but it should damn well be a requirement. The Thing (Benjamin Grimm) and Alicia Masters (Fantastic Four #5 and Fantastic Four: The Wedding Special): Look let's be blunt here: Dan Slott's run on fantastic four was mostly a shit show, with lots of good ideas.. but the execution of a man who knows his past brilliant works have given him carte blanche to half ass it even with a job he seemed to be a perfect fit for and even while doing some of his best work AT THE SAME TIME THIS BOOK WAS PUBLISHED. But even with my bitterness toward a lot of Dan Slott's run very present.. I can't deny having Ben Grimm marry Alicia Masters was not only long overdue after a string of failed attempts to pair him with anyone else, but done beautifully. Outside of a near interpution from doom it's a wonderful wedding and the accompanying tie in nicely handles the bachelor and bachelortee festivites. The run may be .. a lot that i'll have to deal with some other day, but I can't deny one of my faviorite marvel characters got a lovely wedding. Batman (Bruce Wayne) and Catwoman (Selina Kyle) (Batman #50): This one.. is painful for me and something I avoided reading. After a year of well done build up, and one storyline with Booster Gold being character assinated I thankfully also avoided.. I found out said wedding wasn't going to happen for the very stupid reason of "batman can't be happy". I mean it is a problem for him sure.. but it'd be more intresting to explore that through the marriage than have Selina's completely destroyed character wise in this reboot best friend Holly Robinson tell her that as part of an overly complicated plan for revenge by Bane and his legion of doom consiting of girl whose doing this because reasons, Psycho Pirate, and Bruce's alternate dad. You know normally I like when comics get weird, but this is just hilariously dumb. Will this actually be a good issue despite what came before and after? Guess you'll have to vote for it because I don't know.
Yellowjacket (Hank Pym) and The Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) (Avengers #59-60):
I haven't talked about it a lot on this blog but i'm a massive fan of the Ant-Man family: Hank, Jan, Scott, Cassie, Bill, Razz Nadia, even Eric. So it's a touch weird i've never read Hank and Jan's wedding.. or maybe not given it involves hank developing a second personality who claims to have killed hank, Jan protecting him by planning to marry him, and then holding Hank to the marriage despite the fact he wasn't at all cognizant. Also snakes and crime circuses are involved. That and ya know, said marriage ended in horrible tragedy and one of the darkest moments in avengers history, but the actual wedding itsel fis messed up enough to warrant my nomination.
So vote now! Voting closes in one week from today so vote asap to see your wedding of choice get a review this valentine's season!
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