#detective conan movie spoilers

[yyuuraii]

to non detective conan fans this is like finding out that sasuke and naruto are cousins after decades since their manga release. Check on your kaishin shipper friends today

[writing-in-sin]

KAISHIN OPINION: NO FUNERAL

I've been seeing a lot of tags on twitter after the whole cousins reveal spoilers such as 'KaiShin Funeral' or KaiShin is Over' and a lot of condolences (and even those who offered different BL ships for Kaito or Shinichi 😅)

Now while the condolences are appreciated, personally, I won't be needing it. Because I knew KaiShin was never gonna happen for 20 years now and if I didn't want to ship them, I would've stopped back in 2004

To those who wish to stop shipping KaiShin, then that's okay. It's your right and no one should make you feel guilty for that. Its the same for those who DO still wanna ship KaiShin (whether as cousins or otherwise is entirely up to you), don't feel guilty for enjoying what you love. Ship KaiShin for as long as you want. Enjoy whatever you can for this fictional media

I can't personally speak for the KaiShin community but for me, let me make this clear:

NO FUNERAL!

LONG LIVE KAISHIN!

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As always, thank you so much for your time and for reading this far. If you’d like to specifically see more KaiShin or DCMK, you can find me on my this side account here on Twitter @ moonlit_death

[good7luck]

My rough theory on Haibara & the supporting character woman in Detective Conan Movie 26: Kurogane no Submarine

The Reason Why Haibara Was Crying In Tears & More

feat. my own made-up assumptions & delusions XD

* mainly based on the official preview videos, NOT the actual movie!

* Note: I originally wished to make this post earlier and more organized, but time flied OTL and now the movie is already at theater in Japan XD I think I will NOT try to read the movie spoilers (by fans) myself anytime soon, though..!

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First, we all know Haibara = Shiho = Sherry is the main character for this movie, who is an ex-BO member, who lost her big sister Akemi.

Apparently her name is Naomi Argento, so I’ll call her just Naomi!

The very “supporting” character that appears in the previews more often than Ran and the Detective Boys trio... I wonder why! So suspicious :’))

To me, Naomi feels like Akemi & Elena Miyano, Haibara’s big sister & mother. At first, I didn’t know her name was Naomi, and now there’s even more similarity with Akemi & Elena asdfg

The Europol woman who was killed (probably) by Gin has the (almost) same hair color & forelock as Naomi’s, so they might be “related”...as (bio) sisters :’)))

Maybe, the murdered Europol woman is Naomi’s big sis. The engineer Naomi developed the new system related to the security camera & face authentication in order to find out who killed her big sis - so that she could take revenge on the culprit(s) - Black Organization = BO. However, the BO obviously hated the new system already. That’s why BO kidnapped the engineer Naomi, and the battle or war came to begin.

I’m kinda 50:50 (lol) if Naomi = Pinga (the new BO member to die for this movie) or not. I mean, Pinga seems to have some similar hair color (& braid) to Naomi’s...idk XD

Besides, Pinga appears in the movie poster, even if s/he barely appears in the previews...while Naomi isn’t(?) in the poster, even if she appears in the previews quite a LOT (again, more often than Ran!). It looks like Naomi is even staying together with Haibara after both got kidnapped. I know the new BO member is more important than some supporting character, but still lol

(yeah, I think that’s Naomi on the upper right!)

If Naomi = Pinga, then Naomi & Haibara would share even more parallels - the active BO member now totally betrays BO after their big sis got murdered by BO. This adds even more dramatic elements, so I high-key wish it happen for real tbh :’)))

Vermouth knocked Naomi out and stole some secret info from her, without killing her right away. But it might be that Pinga was very secretive like Vermouth or RUM, and so BO members never knew Pinga’s daily or real face = Naomi. If this is true, then Naomi was so unfortunate that she got picked up as the targeted engineer? asdfg Or it’s just destined to happen at some point from the start, cuz the new system is that dangerous and threatening to BO...

Q. But, if Naomi = Pinga, then how about her own face getting recognized by the new system...?

A. I have no idea :’))) She’s the engineer for it, so maybe she exceptionally corrupted some data in regards to herself with the administrator mode? Ooops XD

Maybe here Naomi is ranting to Haibara about how much she wanted to take revenge on Gin and destroy BO for her big sis’ death on her own (the new system), how frustrating it is that her plan got completely ruined, and that there’s no hope left now, cuz BO kidnapped them to kill them soon. She probably thought Haibara could never understand her feelings, oops :’)

There’re some lines from Haibara in the previews, like “I’ve changed...so, have faith!”, as if...she’s trying to encourage “someone” that a BO member is still able to make a choice to change their life for the better in the light, no longer living as a criminal in darkness, or such :’))

I mean, current Haibara is supposed to be (acting like) a 7 years old “kid” and hide her actual identity from almost everyone else. I genuinely don’t see why she would say that kind of line to “a non-BO, ordinary person” who she just met as fellow kidnapped victims, much less to any of the few people who already know her true identity.

To persuade Naomi who gave up, Haibara revealed her personal backstories in regards to her own big sis and parents. And how much her life has changed thanks to Agatha, Conan = Shinichi, Ran, the Detective Boys trio, and so on. And how OP Conan is XD that they, especially Conan, would never give up on her and would definitely come to save her, no matter what. Naomi quickly understands in regards to Conan cuz that young boy suspiciously dodged the new system too well, perhaps XD

In fact, Haibara low-key gave up, too, after getting kidnapped (”Bye-bye...Edogawa Conan-kun.”). But she was not alone there, really, and Naomi in despair reminded of her past depressed self and also how she still has been saved by others several times. Now Naomi got impressed to see the girl being genuinely hopeful in a serious manner, even if she looks / is much younger than herself.

After their long and deep talk, Naomi finally agrees to cooperate with Haibara and try to get out of there “alive” together. Two is better than one, and doing something to survive is better than doing nothing but just waiting for death, right? Not to mention both used to be BO members and so have some more than zero(0) (lol) info and knowledge about BO! Once they get to meet Conan, Naomi might be protected by FBI or such (and/or live in the Kudo residence with Subaru = Akai XD near Haibara’s current home ;w;).

However...of course it’s not easy to run away from BO and their traps, after all, especially when even RUM is actively involved. At some point, only one of the two could possibly survive in some super evil situation, and Naomi sacrifices herself to protect Haibara, so that Haibara would not die right there.

If Naomi betrays Haibara and makes her die alone, then both will simply get to die in vain, and she knows it. Even if Naomi alone survives and escapes somehow, realistically she (probably, oops) has NO remaining family members or friends or colleagues she can safely rely on right away, much less against BO - unlike current Haibara, who has her safe place and kind people to go back to.

Besides, Haibara and her ally Conan have some amazing / potential colleagues from Shinichi’s own OP parents, the great(?) detective Kogoro, Japanese Police, FBI, CIA, MI6 (soon lol), etc etc, who could actually stand against BO. That’s why Naomi decided to leave everything to Haibara - even the revenge on BO. Naomi entrusted her life to Haibara, and Haibara is of course so sad :( She got attached to her, only to lose her so soon, because of BO again :((

(This crying scene might be when Haibara just realized she got kidnapped by BO, but shhh XD)

# Naomi was like Haibara herself - she was an active & capable member of BO, but she got mad at Gin/BO for killing her big sis, and so she fully betrayed BO in the end. The two could’ve been not only great colleagues but also close friends and even semi-family sisters who share such a similar life...

It might be also that both didn’t really realize their product (APTX4869 / the new system) would cause the horrible chaos in the world that much until it’s too late.

# Naomi was like the big sis Akemi - she’s (probably) older than teenager Haibara/Shiho, so she might start to see Haibara like a little sister. And/or Haibara sees Akemi from Naomi first, more and more (strong and weak, smiling, actually kind, etc). Naomi eventually died to save Haibara from BO - similar to Akemi, who tried to take Haibara out of BO.

Haibara might scream “Big sis!!!” out loud, and Naomi would get surprised and smile at her “like an angel”, right before she dies or they get separated, possibly ;_;

# Naomi was like the mother Elena or an aunt - she’s probably in 20s or 30s, and her big sis might be in 30s (or 40s?), while Haibara is in like 7 years old body. If Naomi’s big sis lived an average ordinary life, she might’ve had a child of that age, and then Naomi would’ve been an aunt for the child. Haibara was like a niece to Naomi because of the body age gap, which made her even more protective of her. Or even like her own child, if she were not a criminal.

Naomi might leave some last words of advice and encouragement to Haibara - “like a mother”; don’t push everyone else from yourself, don’t try to do everything by yourself alone (like I did), get along with good people (like you’ve been recently), go survive and fight & punch BO in some way (for yourself and me) together with Conan, achieve an ordinary happy long life, and such, perhaps.

...and Haibara did her absolute best as much as possible indeed, not only for herself but also not to make Naomi’s will meaningless. She struggled and almost despaired in the last minute, cuz at that point she’s alone and reached her (physical) limit - until Conan came to rescue and finally found her (= no longer alone).

Haibara reunited with Ran, who is like Akemi or “an angelic big sis” but never going to die.

I wondered for a second if the color is orange overall here because of the sunset in the early evening - but nope, it’s probably from all the fire in the background asdfg The introduced cool facility and ships got exploded and wrecked again XD My point is, I believe this scene is from the ending part = at night / dawn, after Haibara got rescued by Conan and almost everything got wrapped up somehow. (maybe) Ran is hugging Haibara tightly like that, and Haibara is making such emotional faces.

PS. I’m so curious if Haibara would actually take the APTX4869 pill = become an adult(?) and wear dead Naomi’s clothes for hours...or maybe the staff low-key deceived us, and she never takes any pill lol XP

PS. I read some complaints (long ago, not Tumblr) if both Akai and Amuro really had to appear (again) even in the movie where Haibara is supposed to be the main. But, when you think about it...both are deeply related to Akemi; Akai & Akemi were tragic lovers and cousins, and Amuro & Akemi were childhood friends. Additionally, Akai is watching & protecting Haibara now, and Amuro recently(?) tried to “take”(...) her under his wings, out of BO, even if now he thinks she died then.

PS. If my guesses were so wrong here, then welp, my guesses were wrong, I guess uwu XP

Thanks for reading my long, incoherent ramblings!! :D

[hoegender]

kaishin nation i am so, so sorry

[asteralley]

if anyone is confused about what's happening in the detco fandom.

[sparkleofstardust]

didn't have "mangaka decides to reveal that the popular gay ship actually turns out to be cousins 30 years after the manga started" on my 2024 bingo card

[kugisakiss]

watched m26 hehe, sorry for the word vomit

if anyone was wondering how i was counting how many movies they appeared in, i made a little timeline when i was trying to figure it out for myself ↓

all dcmk movies are released on golden week which is in april. shout out to the detectiveconanworld wiki i couldn't have done it without you x

the real enemy is conan because he's got a perfect 100% movie spotlight

[autumn-foxfire]

So, apparently these are the lyrics of a song in the movie that plays over Shinichi and Kaito's interactions.

Cousins, huh...

Those are some damn fruity cousins.

[dogt-eeth]

Screenshot redraw from movie 27 uhmmm. Me when I stare homoerotically into the antagonist's eyes.

[calimera62]

Message to the DCMK fandom

In light of recent events (the revelation from movie 27), I would like to say to the fandom and most of all the non KaiShin shippers:

Don't harass or attack KaiShin shippers

Don't mock them

Don't make them feel bad

Don't push them to delete their KaiShin content/blog

Celebrate all you want, but don't brag to KaiShin lovers. For most of us, the revelation hits us bad. Don't rub salt in the wound.

And please, please don't harass them for still shipping KaiShin. Don't make them feel bad for still enjoying a ship that bring them joy still. This ship has over 30 years and, until the latest movie, we never suspected such revelation to be ever canon

Please be normal and let's keep peace and civility in the fandom.

Thank you.

[kakapim]

Unpopular opinion but I actually do like the concept of Kaito and Shin being cousins, I prefer that over the shipping. What actually pisses me off is Toichi being alive. I want to kill that old fucker

[detshin]

Some people might be unhappy about the cousins thing, some might be excited about it (me included).

But I think we can all agree on ONE thing.

Toichi is indeed alive and he sucks because of it.

[writing-in-sin]

KAISHIN OPINION: COUSINS REVEAL?

Since I haven't watch the movie yet, I can neither confirm nor deny the whole cousins spoiler thing. Whether or not its true, 20+ years is a long ass time and I've ignored canon before so this won't stop me.

If they truly are cousins in the movie and it ends up being canon in the manga too? Then fuck it. It won't be my canon. Especially when Aoyama is also the one planning to make Toichi alive after literally putting Kaito through horrific trauma of witnessing his father's murder and mourning him

No. Just NO

I respect that its his manga and his characters, and I as a fan, I am only borrowing his creations. But even so, as a fan, I have the right to chose what I wish to do with whatever happens in canon in my FANWORKS

Either I acknowledge that they're cousins and continue shipping them (I'm asian so the whole cousins being lovers thing isnt anything new in my culture nor is it a crime in my country...or a number of asian or southeast asian countries if I'm not mistaken. Granted, it doesn't usually happen simply because people tend to fall for friends or colleagues but cousins marrying dont raise any eyebrows here)

Or I ignore canon entirely and they stay unrelated in any way

However, if those who followed me for my kaishin content then dont worry, I'll still post anything of kaishin that comes to mind

Most likely, I'll ignore them being cousins if it ends up canon. Because honestly? There's a lot of things in canon I dont agree with so ignoring them as cousins won't be the first thing I've ignored or changed in canon. In that same vein, I'll ignore Toichi being alive too because while something like that is usually something to rejoice in any other situation or story, the whole thing is unnecessarily cruel and borderline an inhumane thing to do towards your own child. In my opinion, Toichi should not be written in such a way so for my fanworks, he will not be

To those who want him alive, thats okay. Go ahead but I will not acknowledge that canon

Also, for those who are uncomfortable at the possible canon cousins reveal then thats more than okay. You are free to unfollow or block me or any kaishin posts

So....yeah, I'll ship kaishin whatever the outcome is because in the end, the characters and manga are FICTIONAL so I can change, acknowledge or ignore canon as I wish

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Anyways, thanks for reading this far. Also, here! This is my twitter side-account for all things DCMK & KaiShin moonlit_death because I'm a petty couch potato and will NEVER stop shipping KaiShin dammit!

[hiromiikunn]

guys… 

Episode 1080,, if you wanna see it

[lmeg9]

I don’t care about the movie. I’m still going to ship Kaishin. I’m going to continue writing kaishin fanfics, read fanfics written by others, and look at fan art. The movie isn’t going to stop me.

I don’t care about canon. It’s not like Gosho was ever going to make Kaishin endgame. If I cared about canon, I never would have shipped Kaishin to start with.

[wandering-tides]

Are you kidding me.... ARE YOU GODDAMN KIDDING ME!????

You are telling me to abandon the ship i've been shipping for 10+ yrs, that the fandom has been shipping for 20+ yrs?????

I am sorry but, that's just insane. How could you do that to us??? It hasn't even been 2 weeks since Kaishin day and you drop that on us Gosho?????

How could you make kaishin, cousins just to justify their similar looks (and other similarities).....

Yes, I'll forever believe this was the reason why he gave us a cousin reveal (after 20+ yrs!!).... and also cuz kaishin was taking over his canon couple,,, no matter what other reason might be there or what he may give.

You wanted them to be cousins from the beginning? Then why the hell did you wait for over 20 yrs to reveal that??? Yeah no, I am not believing in any of the reasons Gosho gives for "revealing" them as cousins after over two decades.

Canon can go into the trash can and fuck itself (and f u too Gosho).

If they were going to be cousins from the beginning, they should have never given us the kaishin food for all these yrs. Neither in the manga, nor in the movies.

All that poetry Shinichi spouts everytime he is describing Kaito? That one time Shinichi held his dick? Those kissing noises in M 3? That trust they show in each other M 8 (and that train arc??)?? And I can go on and on and on about all the times they added flame to the fire and made kaishin shippers grow into what it is today.

And then suddenly they drop "cousins" on us

And you want me to accept that?? Yeah, no. Not gonna happen.

Kaishin has helped me cope with so many things, I am not gonna drop it, I am not accepting this canon.

If people want to, they are free to do so. If they want to purge their kaishin fanworks, you can do that (tho it would be incredibly sad to loose the fanworks. This fandom has some of the best fics and fanworks i've come across), if you want to leave the ship, you can do that too (which, again, would be very sad, cuz I've met some of the nicest people in this fandom, and it's one of the few fandom ship spaces that is not so tixic... as compared to many other fandom ship groups)

And that's all from me for now over this reveal. I just had to get this out of the system y'know? This reveal sucks. They are giving kaishin akai/akemi treatment, dammit.