#dsaf analysis

[starleavess]

it's honestly kind of crazy how much of dave's behavior you can compare to a dog's. he's lonely -- he lost henry. he's been abandoned -- by henry dying; he's lost the only person who he considered family before jack. he's hurt -- because of henry and his past, even if he doesn't fully realize that. one of dave's first reactions to rejection and abandonment is sadness. the moment when you decline his offer of murdering children in dsaf 1 is an exception, as it's simply an invitation for jack to 'hang out' with him. one of their first interactions in the trilogy is him suggesting they kill kids to get out of this place that jack got hired at like 5 minutes ago. and... that's quite literally all he knows. he was never taught normal things, he was never taught how to play with other kids or how to talk to people or how to do normal, fun activities. he was taught how to take lives instead. he was taught what to do so that things would go his way, even if he doesn't often use that ability to benefit himself. his number one priority seems to be jack, now that henry isn't around anymore. he focuses solely on him, and if he's going to make fazbenders go down, dave'll help him along the way. he considers jack his family, his partner, his second half. he is forced to love the people he considers close unconditionally on top of everything he does, because that's what he was taught to do. it became his instinct, much like a dog's. his instinct, which he couldn't ignore in the end, nor disobey. henry was the one who forcefully drilled that mindset into his brain through all of the abuse he made him go through and how he kept on treating him when he was younger. dave didn't know he was being manipulated nor used and therefore he thought that this was love. if he wants to be loved, he has to obey. if there isn't anything you can compare something to, how can you know it's right? how could he know what love was if he never truly experienced it?

in the bad ending of dsaf 3, he doesn't push jack away. he doesn't struggle against him as he breaks more than his heart. he simply begs him not to do this as all he does is helplessly "sit" still in one place. a dog which knows its doom is near and all it can do about it is accept it. and those still aren't his final words. his final words are "i love you" directed at jack. his family. a part of him does not want to obey. a part of him wants to lash out, be angry, be angry at the world which turned against him. no longer stay the victim. and we see just that in davetrap, which is a live (even if he's dead) manifestation of that part of dave. no matter how much he tries to get rid of his deeply rooted mindset which makes him hardwired to do what others want him to do, he can't. davetrap can't. he can't because he unreservedly loves people who hurt him. he loves henry and he loves jack. it's just like an instinct. when jack tells him to get out of his restaurant in the neutral ending of dsaf 3, he obeys. when henry asks him a question, he answers. they're his family -- how can he not listen to them and trust them with his life? that's what family's supposed to do, anyway. he learned that family members don't keep secrets from eachother. he didn't mention the box to jack until the bad ending in dsaf 3, which means that he did keep secrets from him in the past, long before he confessed he considered him his family. again, you can't keep secrets around people you love. he gave jack a key to the box and asked him to open it with him like it was a tradition. like it was something they've been doing together for 20 years, something dave can't let go of. dave likes simplicity. i can only think of three examples of simple things which bring him comfort, and the last two are not necessarily… uncomplicated. they wouldn't come across a normal person's mind if you had told them to think of something plain they enjoy doing. but those things are simple to Him and i think that that's very important for his character. even if complicated, it is easy to him. the first thing is vegas. in vegas, he has the chance to just have fun. like a normal person. a normal person with a fucked up and soulless friend, but a friend nonetheless. a person who doesn't kill innocent children. a person who wasn't abused in the past. a person just like all the other people currently at a club with him in las vegas. the second example is animatronics and just tampering with mechanics in general. that is something he is good at, most importantly. he's been working with henry long enough to just tamper with fazbender's animatronics for fun or to disable them to his advantage. he got used to this and it became simple to him with time. and the last thing on the list -- killing kids. that doesn't bring him joy, obviously, but it works as a last resort if things go south. an easy option like many other. he has murdered many in the past, so do just a few more children make that big of a difference? jack is simple to him because that's just someone who he is "friends" with, if you can even put it that way. he clings to him. he's simple, even if he is a very complex character. dave himself is, too, or atleast in henry's eyes. the doctor sees him as dimwitted, someone who's unable to comprehend his genius. like a dog, far below a human person. simplicity isn't something that dave was exposed to very often as a child. he had to constantly perform for food and sleep outside and whatnot just to survive. a kid shouldn't have to be on his own for years. simplicity just wasn't something that was available to him for free in those times.

that was, until he met henry. henry made it better for him, even if there were layers upon layers of abuse under how he was helping dave. he did make it better. he no longer had to fend for himself, alone. he was no longer abandoned, much like a terrified dog picked up from the damp streets. everything was better, so he didn't question anything. he was loved, he had someone close to him, he had shelter, a purpose, even if it was to be used and later discarded, no longer a man with hope for the future. but how could he know? and now, he is drawn to things which he lacked in his childhood. simple things. he loves them unconditionally. they remind him of henry.

[petpetpinixy]

it's probably 100% unintentional but the phoneheads in dsaf not having nametags kinda adds to the dehumanization thing. 2 me

[anangelforsure]

Dave Miller and Frontal Lobe Injury: an analysis?

There is so much to say regarding Dave’s mental state, many angles to approach from. As a psych major (with very little actual knowledge about the brain, mind you, but so tumblr users ever let lack of knowledge stop them) I want to talk about frontal lobe damage. One of my professors brought up the symptoms of said damage causing aggression and emotional issues, and I latched onto to that for later, to write this very essay. I used mostly Wikipedia as my sources for this, but this is tumblr, so that is allowed. Anyways, let us begin with a quote from Henry to set the stage:

“Once a month, I anesthetize William, and remove one of his vital organs, or typically, a portion of his brain. Usually, tissue from the frontal lobe due to it being a generously accessible mass of neurological material.”

The most notable function of the frontal lobe is what is known as “executive functioning”. This label encompasses processes such as planning for the future, setting goals, time management, problem solving, impulse and emotional control, flexibility (adapting to change), and stress tolerance. This portion of the brain is associated with personality and speech production. There is said to be a possible link between the frontal lobe and someone’s will to live, apparently.

“Surprisingly, William doesn't seem to be suffering from dementiated memory loss, but rather, a shift in personality. His conscience is unburdening itself, and he has begun to ask substantially fewer questions about the ethics of our work.”

Memory loss is often thought to be a symptom of frontal lobe damage, however what is seen is actually a deficit in ‘working memory’. Working memory involves the ability to focus attention on a task, as well as the action of retrieving information from stored memory.

What is a symptom of frontal lobe damage is disinhibition, also known as impulsivity. Impulsivity is defined as ‘making choices, or taking action without thinking about the results’. This is concurrent with what Henry observes, Dave is losing his inhibitions, giving less thought to the implications of murder. Manipulating a vulnerable child is no great feat, but it probably became even easier to suggest things to Dave in his disinhibited state.

Another behaviour that increases with frontal lobe injury is risk-taking-‘To jump at the opportunity of a reward, even if the likelihood of receiving the reward is small’; things like gambling addiction demonstrate increased risk taking. This too fits with Dave’s behaviour, he would do just about anything, kill and die over and over for Henry, for just a glimpse of the twisted attention he sees as love…

Already likely traumatized and desperate for connection as an orphan fending for himself, it figures that Dave should be predisposed to attachment issues. He had no parental example to build his ideas of healthy attachment from. Familial bonds are a vital part of child development. If I may, I want to pull from theories like Erik Erikson’s- which posits that there are a number of stages humans must go through to become stable adults. The most basic stage asks the question of ‘trust vs mistrust’, where, ideally, an infant is treated with care and so learns to trust in others. Dave however, never had that care. He was never allowed the luxury of trusting someone else. Living in a constant state of self-defense does not tend to contribute to healthy development. Many victims of childhood trauma find themselves stuck, so to speak, in a childish state of mind, or regressing to childlike behaviours when distressed. This can be due to these individuals lacking healthy coping mechanisms , which should be formed during healthy, secure development.

Humans are observant creatures, and Dave learned his ideas of ‘love’ from the one person who showed him any sort of attention in his childhood. Take, for example, this interaction between Jack and Dave.

“I thought you loved me, Old Sport”

“You’re a fucking eggplant”

“I thought I was your fucking eggplant”

We can look at this through our past observation of Dave building his ideas of affection off of Henry’s treatment of him. Dave’s non-reaction to being insulted suggests that Old Sport may speak to him like this regularly. Pairing this with Dave’s belief that Old Sport loves him..It is possible that Dave is repeating patterns from his childhood, attaching himself to people who show him the same kind of “love” that Henry did.

Another thing we know about Dave is that he is a pretty vulgar person. Whether or not this was true of him before his surgeries, is unknown, but here is a quote about the most famous survivor of frontal lobe damage, Phineas Gage:

“after the man recovered, and while recovering, he was gross, profane, coarse, and vulgar, to such a degree that his society was intolerable to decent people.” Allegedly, he was not like this before his accident. (Full transparency, Gage’s case is shrouded in misinformation, and is often dramatized, but still, interesting if true). Frontal lobe damage has been said to impact the personality of the victim, so perhaps Dave could have been made a bit more intense by his surgeries.

“William cannot follow simple instructions, cannot control his emotions, and is even too afraid to leave his vessel for even a second, even when incentivized with controlled shocks.”

Emotional dysfunction is another symptom of frontal lobe damage. In my image of it, it’s somewhat like the frontal lobe fighting with the primal instincts. When the frontal lobe gets damaged, the more animalistic traits have more pull. Aggression is also observed in those with frontal lobe injury because of this.

Some examples of Dave’s emotional issues include: his obsession with Old Sport. He has extreme reactions to Jack’s decision to join him or not (“I sure am wild about old sport” vs. “he’s going to pay for this”). He even goes as far as showing up with intention to shoot up the restaurant in one route if Old Sport turns him down, saying “this is the last time you break my heart”.

[Keep in mind though that Henry has his own slew of problems. He is far from an unbiased account, and may be misrepresenting Dave’s behavior. ‘Refusing to leave the vessel’ as he put it, is not an indicator of impaired brain function, in fact quite the opposite. Why the hell would anyone in their right mind want to do that]

If you made it this far, thanks for reading! In summary, I think Dave would definitely be a contender for a frontal lobe injury diagnosis, if we didn’t already know Henry stole it from him. It may even explain some of his erratic behaviours!

(If you see a typo,, please let me know. It’s like. 1am as I type this out to post hehe)

[peter-daily-strikes]

gives him a hug

[DAY 60]

He appreciates it :)

[the-acid-pear]

Not to get into drama the first fucking moment I open my eyes after but calling the Phoneys slaves is such a bad take because the whole game is about that not being true. Like the whole fucking point is that by All Means they're not people. Not to the law, at least, and much less to Freddy's. This is the narrative you've been sold on since the very first game and that it's trying to disprove. Trying to show you thru their back stories and ending dialogue that, hey, these are actual people too!

Sure Jack can still be a turbo cunt to them but the Phoneys still do whatever the fuck they want if they so wish. Jake LITERALLY threatens with walking out on you like on the first month he's in. But this is also a major part of the plot like Where Else will they go if they're not here. Their choices are fucking dying or working at Freddy's Independent of Jack. AND THE POINT ALWAYS TENDS BEING FOR JACK TO BE BETTER BOSS THAN EVERY ONE THAT CAME BEFORE (unless he's evil but he rips Dave's head off he's just off the shits there he killed a baby dude c'mon he's no point of comparison for anything.)

Like to boil it down to "jack x phoneys bad because they're slaves" is literally Ignoring the whole game and all its trying to say. People starting these dramas are probably still in school you can't be so bad at reading baby it's concerning.

[ouijathicc]

Old Man Yaoi May Not Be So Old

So there’s a segment in the DSaF fandom that beleive Dave and Jack are visibly old men. I’m fine with it, I used to, and in fact love the designs especially because there’s seems to be an almost taboo of drawing old people to a point and it’s homely really great that people here are doing it, but I don’t think that’s actually true canonically like I used to. I must stress though DRAW THEM HOW YOU LIKE. They can be old or not it doesn’t concern me.

Both of them are corpses. In terms of age, yes, they are quite old, but corpses don’t tend to age. And we see this in DSAF with the Phones not aging visibly, perhaps it’s just that it’s stock photos but Harry, despite being Gen 1, is physically not old. Why? Because Harry isn’t alive. None of the phones are. The phones are just well preserved and act like living creatures.

You know what else isn’t alive but acts like it? Dave and Jack. While they’d be in terms of numbers, old, in DSAF 3, given their ages at which they died it’s unlikely they’d physically get any older. And don’t say some kinda magic thing because we know for a fact that both behave like corpses, especially Jack. Jack paints himself orange to look alive (a weird colour choice but I digress), he does this because his body is rotting, likely turning black or purple (this also means any cursed colour swap between the two, the Jack side may just not have put on his makeup yet lol). Jack is rotting, definitely not alive body behaviours. Dave also does not behave like a living person. How many of those do you know that can do what he does. There seems to be a consensus that Davetrap is rotting but Dave is too nothing happened to Davetrap to kickstart the process that would mean Dave could not have before, it’s likely the pests just got in because he was stationary and likely far slower.

Let’s also talk about their behaviour. It’s not great to go off of but Jack doesn’t act like a mature adult and neither does Dave, they act like they’re rather young adults still figuring themselves out. Jack especially is quite childish, as if he never got a chance to mature. You could bring up Dee, but Dee’s situation is far different. It doesn’t seem like Dee has actually mentally matured so much as she has been put in a position in which she has no choice but to take on a more mature role and tries to fit that, she has no reason to mentally age, and none of the other children have meaning if she actually got older there would have to be more to it. Dee is as old as she always was, any maturity added is not due to age but due to her situation. Dave and Jack are immature people, and with this in mind it paints a somewhat grim picture of the fact that they never got to mature.

One could mention the ending in which Jack dies of old age… but the phones also have beards here and Jack is actually established to be semi immortal so dying of old age just doesn’t make sense, he can die, but it seems like he gets back up. So let’s be real the beards are fake, and Jack probably ate something weird, and will be fine in like 12 minutes. The game probably ends when you die because it would be weird if it didn’t even if you do get back up.

The only time I’d say Jack permanently dies is when he’s burned. Which leaves no body behind, which by the same principle as the others, means there’s nothing left to come back which sucks for him because oops no soul either.

Jack can also get rabies but… this also doesn’t feel like a sign he is alive.

Dave actively does rot in the game as Davetrap, Jack rots constantly, it’s safe to say their bodies do not work like human ones especially considering not having organs is not something that kills Dave. At least not that we know.

With all of this in mind, yeah. They are corpses. And as I’ve said before, corpses do not age in DSAF physically or mentally, even Blackjack is incredibly immature if you actually look at his behaviour. He’s also an asshole who never gets character development but that’s a story for another time.

It actually makes more sense if they don’t age given the very little change in their behaviour or character between games even after a massive Timeskip nothing seems to have changed at all which makes sense logically too, because why would Fredbear give Jack the ability to age? Let’s be real here if Jack can age eventually that will become a problem given that he is immortal seemingly as long as he has a body to return to. There’s no reason to give him the ability to age and plenty of reasons not to.

Now that’s not to say their bodies don’t change, they do. And if you realistically want to draw DSAF 3 Jack in his most canon possible form… which I doubt many do… Jack doesn’t age he rots he’s probably just a lot worse for wear if he hasn’t found a way to stop rotting yet. Him being an old man is unlikely, but a very decomposed zombie? More likely than you’d think.

And before anyone brings up the tapes, Dave may just look like that, pretty much every piece of art in that game is by a different person who is not Doggo, while Dave seems to be a bit older Jack does not. The tapes are in the past if we are saying that is Dave’s age in DSAF 3, sorry no.

DSAF 3 has incredibly inconsistent art to a point I’d say fans can largely disregard it but that’s an essay for another time just know art in that game isn’t as canon as people seem to think it is. At least not by my observation.

Dave and Jack are old men in age, but not in body. No in body they are most likely the age they died at which seems to have been pretty young for both of them like we know Jack was in his early 20s and Dave is a few years older but also died at the very least a few months before Jack. They aren’t old men, at least not canonically.

I must stress I mean they probably are not canonically old because honestly the DSaF fandom needs to take a chill pill and stop being angry at people for making their own designs, literally do what you want as long as it’s not illegal or like super fucked up. Don’t make Jack 12 and Dave 60 and ship that, but if you want to draw them old be my guest. This essay was just my observation of the idea that the fandom calls them old men and people seem to think they are canonically but it just seems unlikely.

[whomstdvelynt]

alright gang have dave in a dress before i go pass out or something because i hate writing essays forever and ever.

[dee-in-the-box]

ALRIGHT GUYS!

IT'S HERE!!

i've made the Dee Analysis! it ain't perfect, far from it, but hey! i like it, i think it turned out pretty good!

[davesdressanon]

So I am still plugging away at my analysis of Henry for the “silly thing��️”

My thoughts as of right now would be giving him a Dendro Vision but that’s still Subject to change, I have at least ruled out the following elements:

• Hydro - Henry lacks a conviction tied to Justice, Good Will, or Chivalry which would juxtapose him wildly against the canonical Hydro Allogenes

• Pyro - Henry may be passionate about his work but I wouldn’t say that passion alone would be enough for him to garner a vision from it.

• Geo - Geo Allogenes on average have gained their Visions in showcases of Tenacity and unwavering refusal to back down despite potentially insurmountable odds

• Cryo - All Cryo Allogenes have some form of Duality tied to them, Henry doesn’t seem to tote that trait at all unless you count his belief that he is the protagonist of the world against his true position as the overarching antagonist of the dsaf canon

But this still leaves me with avenues to consider for Electro and Anemo, but progress is progress

[light-wrath-art]

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[paintedplum7]

Dave Miller’s Character—From the Perspective of an Age Regressor

Slight disclaimer: This is not meant to be a 100% ‘yes this is the intended reading’ kind of analysis post on Dave Miller. I’m mostly writing this for myself more than anything, but I also feel like there is something here, intended or not! Take in mind I’m also not going to be using supplementary material like ask replies from Dogman into account, just the games! Feel free to take anything I say with a small palmful of salt ;]

So when I got back into DSAF earlier back in November, becoming familiar with Dave after realizing that I was an age regressor sort of made me put his character in a new light. Recently, I played through all three DSAF games in order, and there were several moments—particularly in DSAF 3—that sort of made me go “oh yeah, he totally is an age regressor”.

Dave’s regression is more psychological, more permanent, similar to my own, so that’s the lens I’ll be viewing Dave from for the remainder of this post. Usually, when I think of Dave, there’s a Bojack Horseman quote that pops up in my mind every time. Paraphrased from memory, it’s “People who become famous in their twenties stay in their twenties,” and I think that quote applies to Dave very well. Even Jack, who similarly died in his twenties, still matures with his franchise if we take his dialogue options at face value. Dave however, never changes all that much. Yes, his character is refined in between DSAF 1 and 2, but after that point, he remains largely stagnant.

We know that Dave associates his young adulthood to be his childhood, and seeks to recreate his childhood via Jack. Well into his middle ages in the nineties, and even after his soul is split apart between realities, even after he learns the truth of Henry, and leaves Jack, he still clings those memories. That much is obvious. Dave’s childhood at Fredbear’s is tied to him all throughout the series; it dictates how he acts, but that’s explicitly stated in the games several times. I want to dig a little deeper, because I think his regression extends more than just him being close to the diner.

Dave is incredibly childish, even for someone that’s presumably stuck in his twenties due to the experiments conducted by Henry. Henry said himself that Dave’s conscience ‘unburdened itself’ after he started taking tissue from his frontal lobe. Some aspects of his childishness include:

Talking to himself.

Being a messy eater.

Throwing tantrums. (I’m sorry for the dip in quality. I had to boot up my computer to get these specific lines of text because there was no useable footage online, and I had to use my shitty phone camera to get these pictures because Windows makes transferring screenshots to mobile devices so DIFFICULT).

And squabbling on whether Chica is a duck or not with Dee, to name a few. (I find this fight to be interesting on Dee’s end, too. Dee and Dave are foils. Dee believing herself to be an adult despite being six years old, and Dave’s childish tendencies well into his adulthood is just one of the many examples of them being foils).

Even his fears display his immaturity!

This is just off the top of my head, too! If I’ve missed something let me know!

In spite of that, Dave loves feeling useful, and I think it’s in due to the fact that Henry frequently infantilized him in their time together, and him calling Dave ‘Willy’ is only scratching the surface of examples.

(Mollycoddle means to give someone an absurd amount of protection, or pampering, typically towards men and boys).

I know that feeling of knowing that you’re less mature than your other peers, and having the need to make up for it, and I think Dave encapsulates that feeling very well.

I think what I love the most about Dave and his regression is that he’s still unapologetically raunchy! His childishness, his immaturity, his regression, whatever you want to call it—it doesn’t exempt him from that part of himself. It’s easy to associate what isn’t the perfect pastel-colored box as ‘ugly regression’, a term that I hate because it implies regression needs to look a certain way. It doesn’t; that’s not true at all. I’m very glad there’s a character like Dave I can relate to, even if I am grasping for straws out here lol

This was a really fun, self-indulgent analysis to make, and while I doubt most of it was intentional, I think there’s something you can get out of this, particularly with Dave and Henry, but that’s it for now!

[fastrainbowdas]

Hi hello I saw you didn't want to reach the tag limit on that reblog but I would very much like to hear your full character analysis on dsaf Jack

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HIIIIII THANK YOU FOR ASKING <333333333

ok um. so.

The biggest thing abt Jack's personality is his apathy. He doesn't really care about anything other than his own amusement (and one other thing but I'll get into that later)

Yes, he agrees to help Fredbear (but what was he supposed to do? Just die?) but he doesn't actually Care about the dead kids. It's why he agrees to kill w Dave so easily! In fact, all Dave has to do to persuade him is to tell him how it would benefit Jack and Jack never argues that it's wrong. (I don't think he doesn't know that - he simply doesn't care)

He also... doesn't really care about his siblings either. He says he does, sure, but he doesn't, really. He has no problems killing them on evil routes (and while technically it is only Legacy Jack that does this, it still applies to Regular Jack and I'll explain why in a bit)

Here is where we get into differences between Regular and Legacy; Legacy actually cares about his siblings' deaths (insane, I know). Yeah, that is different from caring about them bcs. as stated before. He kills them in cold blood. lmfao

But he also gets Pissed when Dave flaunts around Dee's scarf and says it's his "most prized souvenir" to the point where he rips his fucking head off. So clearly Legacy cares that his siblings were murdered.

But Regular never ??? does anything ??????? to imply he gives a fuck ??????????? Like sure he says he cares but like. idk considering he knows Who his siblings are now and he has no problem lying to and/or killing them. I'd say he doesn't really care.

Anyway to get to the other thing Jack cares about - Dave! There's no arguing on this, Dave is the only person Jack couldn't bring himself to lie to in the good ending of dsaf 3 and directdoggo has confirmed that that entire monologue was just Jack going around saying "I love you". And we can tell Legacy also cares about Dave, since in dsaf 3, you only solidify the evil path with the line "Dave... I missed you." Which is really fuckin weird to say if you don't care about the person you're saying this to and only want to kill people again? And it's not like Jack can't do it by himself, not to mention Legacy could've easily just. Said he wants to murder again, there's no reason for him to lie about missing Dave. He wouldn't gain anything from lying and Dave was desperate enough to the point where he absolutely would've taken "ok fine lets kill again" more or less the same.

And before anyone tries telling me that Legacy is possessed by Henry or whatever the fuck. That's just misinterpretation of the text. Please go back and rewatch the evil ending, Henry literally STATES he cannot directly control Jack, just talk to him.

SO ALL THIS TO SAY. Both Regular and Legacy Jack care about Dave.

And- that's kind of weird, isn't it? Why is caring about Dave like. More or less the only thing they have in common? Why Dave specifically? What's so special about him?

Well I've given it some thought and. Simply put - nothing. There is nothing special about Dave. What is special is the circumstances in which their relationship formed and developed.

Dave is the only person Jack has gotten to know after he became soulless. Not only that, but they've hung out repeatedly (both the child murder and vegas) so it makes sense Jack would care about him, no?

As for why he doesn't care about anyone he got to know before dying. The most accurate way I can think to phrase it is that losing his soul reset all his feelings.

Anyway. To the part that fucks w me the most.

The similarities between BlackJack and Legacy Jack.

This should Not be a section that I need to make. What the fuck is this. If anything they should be polar opposites, no? BlackJack is literally this guy's soul and they very much clash at the end of the dsaf 2 pure evil ending so what the fuck am i talking about

And I could mention the whole. killing in cold blood thing. But honestly, even Regular Jack does it? If you go w Dave but don't go for the pure evil ending, Jack is still a murderer and all.

So for actual things BlackJack and Legacy have in common that Regular Jack doesn't. The first one that comes to mind is absolutely the enormous ego. (BlackJack thought he could deal with Henry all on his own (which is like. fucking insane. when you actually get to the fight you realize all of blackjack's attacks are fucking useless lmfao) and Legacy LITERALLY LOOKED GOD IN THE EYE AND SAID "I AM GOD". THATS ALMOST KINDA SICK. WHAT THE FUCK DUDE) And because of said ego, they also treat everyone else as inferior!! So that's fun. (BlackJack's entire monologue about how everyone in your party is a monstrosity and he'll show Henry what he's created and if he doesn't feel bad abt it he'll kill him!! And Legacy straight up calling Peter his prey in that one scene)

The last thing is that they're... kind of the only versions of Jack that actually care about their siblings' deaths? Like I said earlier, Regular doesn't give a fuck and both BlackJack and Legacy make it very clear that they're upset about it.

I really like what my friend said on this matter - that BlackJack and Legacy are coping with their tragedy in a similar way, while Regular Jack is coping differently. For BlackJack and Legacy, revenge seems to be a big thing, so it's not really a shocker that the more they care, the more cruel and violent they are. Simply put, caring serves as motivation for doing terrible things.

Um. I am very passionate about Legacy Jack.

Moving on from him though. Regular Jack is really interesting too.

Bcs he doesnt really. change between the different endings. Really, the only difference in Him Specifically between whether he saves the kids or not is just. Does he regard the promise he was forced to make as more important? or does he not give a shit and only think of his own amusement?

Frankly considering that he murders children for kicks and that BlackJack is implied to have been. Very Brutal when killing Henry. It really makes me wonder about what Jack was like before he died (or Alive Jack as I call him).

To me, Alive Jack is the biggest mystery regarding Jack because it's so hard to say what behaviors of all other versions of Jack are a result of Jack's tragedy and what are simply What he's Like. I'd love to say more on this topic but there simply isn't anything to say, all we can do is speculate.

Anyway yeah!! I think that's everything!! I didn't expect it to be so long lmao rip

Thanks for readinggggggggggg :]

EDIT: Hi here's a link to a thread where I answer a few questions :]

[r4spberry-vinaigrette]

okay so. after i do dsaf comfortember stuff for the rest of this month and give myself a break because wow doing 3k+ words a day apparently takes a lot out of you sometimes no matter how fun it is to finish fics. would anyone want to read a dialtown roger/peter 5+1 fic based somewhat off my peter analysis here ... i will probs write it no matter what if im still jiving with the idea later on but. just wondering

[aggressivedaikons]

ok idk if you’ve read the whole book but I’ve noticed an uncanny amount of similarities between Bill Cipher and Dave Miller.

They’re both really scary villains but are just really lonely and don’t want to confront their trauma or actions. Also the Great Gatsby connection applies to both of them.

I’ll probably do a full analysis on this at some point but I just needed to scream about it.

THIS THIS THS THIS I’ve been rambling to my sibling about it esp. since i’ve been rewatching a ton of DSaF playthroughs.

they both have a very narcissistic/apathetic personality, disregarding most other people’s opinions on morality, and only pursing their own desires overall. (Dave’s is partially done out of ‘revenge’, but he’s killed people for apparently no big reasons, i.e., when he shot a dude getting beer in DSaF 2)

one small thing but that’s big to me is them viewing themselves as ‘silly little guys’ n ‘just a goofy fella 😋’. I can’t quote where in DSaF Dave says this, but I do recall a scene were he says something along those lines, and for bill, the time baby wanted poster is what comes to mind first.

the other thing I noticed is the blatant GNC coding played for jokes?? It’s a weird thing but they do refer to themselves in feminine terms at one point and another, and generally are not fully hetero/cisnormative in the way they’re written.

also, I think the way they see their own mortality seems similarly dismissive. They both are some shade of immortal, and are very casual about the concept of death, for themselves and others

but NO I’ve had this exact same thought and I keep finding parallels if you ever have any more ideas PLEASE IM IN THE SAME SITUATION THEY ARE SO SIMILAR AUGH

[the-acid-pear]

Last night I was pretty insomniac as usual and I started thinking of the DTrap fic again and I still adore it bro Literally was exploring his body. Literally just checking out and manhandling his dick then got mad when the guy who hasn't been touched in years and now is being touched by the most special person in his world reacted positively to this. Honestly Jack's even uncertainty about the whole thing is a very well piece of writing that encapsulates the differences between these two and their feelings. Also I just woke up and haven't even eaten yet so I'll share my little theory that whatever Jack stuck his dick into was Not his ass (so we can be canon compliant).

[0rangejulius]

What do you think Dave and Dee talked about while Jack was gone for a month in DsAF 3? Like I know they say they made a plan, but surely there was other conversations had too? Especially since directly before Jack leaves is when you learn both Dave AND Dee’s backstory. I wonder if they talked anymore about that? If Dee shared some more memories before she died. Or if Dave shared little (non Henry) related things. Similarly, during the month period after you see Steven and Peter, I wonder if similar conversations happened. Did Steven and Peter have a long talk about the past and reconcile? Did Peter and Dee reminisce about the past? Did Dave ever befriend Steven? Or at least share how he was one of his more favorable bosses? Did they all talk about how they hated Matt??? Ok slight joke for the last one but like… I wanna write analysis of these convos so much… or draw stuff…

Gotta do it while I’ve got it on the brain .2.