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so because at one point the hat broke Sneeg awake from the weird mind control brainwashing does that mean that this terrified look was him seeing Charlie literally cut open and mangled and bloody instead of him full of green goop
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mads-is-tired · 10 months
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Ranboo saving Charlie while he was streaming is the direct reason Charlie died I'm not okay
Ranboo said in their stream today that there were two choices that he actively made without the audience's input. One was choosing the security code on his own, and choosing to save Charlie from the brainwashing. Obviously using the wrong code stuffed it all up (which released the wire monster) but they said that because of the time it took to pull Charlie out, by the time they reached the doors the showfall media employees were locking them. Which eventually leads to both Ranboo and Charlie's deaths, and almost mirrors the final choice of episode three, choosing to live but be under showfall's control forever, or to die, only it hadn't been realised yet. 
also SNEEG!!! The poor guy tried to get out and get help again but never made it, and died alone (because of Ranboo’s choice, ouch). While showfall probably wouldn't have allowed it but a storyline where he did make it out would be insanely cool. 
Another thing, while the theory that showfall kidnapped Charlie as a kid and raised him to be their entertainer is very cool and has a lot of potential, I don't think that's the way the story would go. Showfall was(is??) going to use Ranboo until he no longer had any use to them, like all of the other actors, combined with sneeg's death suggests that raising a child and creating a whole personality and audience for slimecicle would be overly complex when they could just take people who have already done the work for them. The slimecicle channel is canon to the genloss universe now, and they likely would have had Charlie continue to stream to keep up appearances like he's not missing. Also, when ranboo finds all the streamers he recognises Charlie by name, suggesting they knew each other before showfall got to them, because iirc the name Charlie is never used in episode 1 or 2. And there is surely enough history between the two for Ranboo to want to save him, but recognises that he can't save everyone. That or he just felt bad for ripping the man's guts out. 
Anyway, I have Too Many Thoughts about Generation Loss and desperately want to know if Charlie and Sneeg are dead dead or if they'll be coming back for more generations because they were both so good in this series.
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cosmicjunkyard · 10 months
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I am so distraught that Ranboo thinks we wanted him dead you don't even know.
He had no idea that when the vote began, majority voted for them to live. He has no idea when we realised that life meant Ranboo being trapped, we tried (AND ALMOST SUCCEEDED) to go 50/50.
Ranboo will probably never find out or realise that when he asked for us to kill them, we swayed the vote because we wanted to help them, to let them choose something for once. He thought that we chose death because we wanted to see them dead WHEN WE DIDN'T.
HE THOUGHT WE HATED HIM SO HE DIDN'T TRUST US
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miss-fortune-thinks · 6 months
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mfs be like "i know a place" and then take you to christian hell
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aliengoose · 9 months
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Hey guys guess what happens when an anatomy student becomes obsessed with Generation Loss. Basically I have thoughts about how the mask works. Closeups and image description below the cut.
Image Description: Drawing of Generation Loss! Ranboo standing with their back to the audience. Closeups of their face in the top left corner. Handwritten text reads;
Electrodes inserted subdermally hidden under mask. Current running through electrodes controls facial muscles for manipulation of facial expression and speech.
Wires enter mouth and run down throat to electrodes. Control muscles of tongue and larynx to manipulate speech and other vocals.
Signals sent remotely to plaque (on the back of Ranboo's neck) where they are routed to relevant wires and electrodes
Wires do not stimulate intrinsic hand/finger muscles, which is why Ranboo is able to tap SOS.
Wires travel outside of body, fibres insert into particular muscles to electrically stimulate them.
Wires to body follow general pathways of major motor nerves to skeletal muscles. Basal random voltage and frequency inhibits motor neuron input. Need motor neurons to function for Day 3 The Choice - requires Ranboo to have conscious control of his body.
No wires along sensory pathways. Ranboo is fully aware of everything happening but cannot express themselves.
Wires start just above C1 spinal nerves. Do not influence brain activity or cranial nerves. Ranboo sees and is aware of everything, thus the "I SAW EVERYTHING" and tapping SOS.
Wires hidden under clothes to prevent suspicion.
Make cc!Ranboo's burns canon to Generation Loss? Malfunction of wire lying along spine, possibly meant to stimulate muscles of the back? eg. erector spinae. Causes "odd" changes in posture. I just also think it's cool and messed up if they're in pain but physically cannot express it. End image description.
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here-there-be-drag0ns · 10 months
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okay okay okay something i saw that i havent seen anyone else talk about is the sequence of shots when sneeg gets dragged back in and "reprogrammed" (for lack of a better word while still missing information).
Just about everyone ive seen talk about how intense and revealing that scene is focuses on the shot with sneeg in the foreground and the puzzler in the background, and the majority of takes ive seen say something along the lines of "he's in shock, he knows something is wrong, and all he can do is stare at sneeg getting put back" but here's the thing: thats not it!!
it wasn't something i noticed till it ended - not really - but they weren't staring, they weren't in shock. They were paused.
The Puzzler is mid-comment, the victims were all still begging and sobbing, and ranboo has his hand on the controls with the carousel spinning- and then Squiggles popped up with only the message "Please hold." and everything goes silent. And then sneeg starts screaming.
We see the carousel stop, we see ranboo with their hand on the controls, and we see the Puzzler frozen in place with his mouth still open mid-remark. Even the Rats dont move. All of that is pretty quickly skipped over and forgotten as the focus is on sneeg's recapture, reprogramming, and reinstallment.
Then the shot that pulls the most attention, sneeg in the foreground and the puzzler in the background with the focus alternating between them. we see the producer that placed sneeg leave the set, then another shadow cross the scene, then a few more beats to allow the other producers to leave the set... and then everything comes back all at once.
The carousel starts moving again, the victims all start sobbing and begging all at once, the Rats continue to hop around, the Puzzler finishes his exclamation and moves away from the cage, and ranboo finally shifts his weight.
I wont pretend to know what exactly all of this means. However, i believe it shows exactly how much control Showfall Media has over the production so long as their "characters" have not broken free.
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the-blaze-empress · 10 months
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so genloss is all about breaking the 4th wall right? right. when ranboo wakes up he realises that there is no 4th wall. every time the stream ‘glitches’ we’re seeing through to whats actually happening, we’re seeing beyond the 4th wall and potentially so are the characters (im looking at u sneeg). the mask is what keeps the 4th wall in place for ranboo, but thats not where it ends. the breaking of the 4th wall doesnt just stop with the characters.
what im loving about genloss is the psychological horror and how well and uniquely its handled. its fairly clear at this point that ranboo is not in control of their actions, but has been able to break free/has tried to break free at multiple points. showfall media is the one in control, not ranboo.
but thats not where it ends. genloss is a live show for a reason, and that reason is chat. without chat, genloss would not be able to be what it is. throughout the stream there’s things to do; buttons to press, decisions to make, pipes to rearrange. they exist for a reason.
the first episode was relatively tame compared to what we’ve seen since. options were things like ‘where should i look’ and ��what wacky device should i use against the guy made of slime’ (i could probably write a whole other post about the connotations of blood and slime but that is For Later). those choices dont seem in spirit with something advertised as psychological horror. the entire first episode was kinda... tame honestly.
theres a reason for that. think back to the inauguration video chain. the first question was harmless, cats or dogs? it got you used to the mechanics of the ‘game’, made you familiar with the concept of ‘pressing buttons’. the first episode serves the same purpose; desensitise chat to pressing buttons, so when the decisions switch from ‘where should i look’ to ‘who do i leave to die’ all they really see is a button, without any real consequences. it’s just a button, we should press it.
showfall media isnt just manipulating the characters, its manipulating us.
what i found really interesting is jerma also being able to manipulate the controls, as such, when he solved the pipe puzzle. it established that chat arent the only ones able to use these controls, and i fear what it’s going to bring. i think that showfall is going to start rigging things in their favour, but we won’t be able to tell. one person alone cannot tell what thousands of others voted in this scenario, so there isnt a way to tell that the vote was rigged from the start. and it gives showfall such an easy way out. chat voted, thats what they wanted. we are going to be tricked into ‘wanting’ what showfall wants, ‘doing’ what they want us to do, even if we’re not the ones with the masks that connect to our fucking brains.
there was never any 4th wall. we’re just as deep into this as ranboo is
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bluesky42 · 10 months
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Hi so I really don’t want to think about the possibility that Frank is a real actual dead body and we are seeing him as a plastic skeleton because of the Showfall filters keeping his real form hidden.
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knine-nights · 10 months
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Genloss Theory #2
More Theories
Well, back again back again! Here for another theory. This one is a bit more solid and may be accepted as canon for all I know but I’ve seen some debate. Keep in mind, this is my personal theory, it may be completely wrong. 
So, we all remember the scene in Episode 3 when Hetch has “died” and Ranboo stabs an employee only for wires to come out instead of blood. The generally accepted understanding is that the employees bleed wires. Which does make sense but I’m here to offer a possible counter explanation. He’s just not seeing the blood.
Earlier in the episode, Ranboo and Charlie find an employee who was killed by Security:
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Clearly he’s bleeding real blood and not wires. There is the argument to be made that he simply hasn’t been under Showfall’s control long enough to be filled with wires but I have another idea: this is what really happened and when we saw the employee bleed wires, that wasn’t real.
We already know, based on Ranboo’s stream, that the video turning more cinematic is meant to show that Showfall is still in control and Ranboo just no longer sees the cameras. So, what if the employee who bled wires was actually bleeding real blood but Ranboo was back under control enough to only see wires? It would explain the discrepancy between this employee and the other. 
Just like how, in Episode 2, Charlie “bled” slime because everyone’s perception was controlled by Showfall, the employee in Episode 3 bleeds wires because Showfall is exerting their control again. 
That’s my theory anyways, could be wrong. If anyone has anything to add, feel free to comment or reblog!
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theflamingtrash · 8 months
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GENLOSS THEORY TIME
what if the main cause of all the occurrences in generation loss was caused by some kind of nuclear disaster?
Just hear me out okay?
Evidence 1:
A lot of the Genloss OST has some kinda clicking noise that sounds a lot like a Geiger counter in the back of it, however it's just the songs that can be associated with hetch/showfall and the portal that was on the starting soon of episode 1 (example below)
Evidence 2:
The door that the genloss twitter posted is described as a "submarine or bunker door", ranboo confirmed it's not a submarine, meaning there's a good chance it's some kind of bunker? Why would there be a bunker in generation zero? Some kind of nuclear incident.
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Evidence 2.5:
Adding onto that, there was a fallout shelter sign in the trailer for generation 1 episode 2, and it didn't get any further elaboration for it? It's a really weird thing to focus on with no kind of elaboration in the episode at all
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Evidence 3:
The dimension doors in episode 1 of TSE are very apocalyptic like, the first door having that weird mysterious noise with it, the red sky in the second one, hell Ranboo described the third, unused door as "getting nuked"
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Evidence 4:
Just think about the name "lostfield" for me with the potential of nuclear apocalypse in mind, what's the easiest way to lose a field (probably a town or city tbh), a nuclear explosion of some kind?
Evidence 5:
Apparently large amounts of radiation breaks down and destroys VHS tapes, increasing the rate of generation loss, which Ranboo has actually previously stated he's researched before (however I don't know where the clip is, sorry)
So, what's my current working theory?
So there's the portals that brought us to generation 1, based on the OST for that part of the stream being called "the holding portal" and in the game on the genloss website the red orb behind the dumpster working like a portal. I think that the founder, trying to make one of these portals in lostfield, messed up at some point, and caused some kind of nuclear incident, aka the Lostfield incident, a bunch of VHS's were in Lostfield and they all went through generation loss. They're the VHS' we're watching
I may discover more evidence in the future for this however for now that's all I can think of, so I'll add more as I think of it, and if you've read to here, thanks for reading, it means a lot that you like to listen to my dumb ramblings :D
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athenahennah · 10 months
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Generation Loss brain dump
!! Spoilers for all 3 episodes bellow the cut !!
Okay so the first thing that my brain has latched onto is the slime, or more specifically, the reality filter.
The slime in generation loss is not actually slime. It’s blood. We see it during the glitch in episode 2:
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and there’s also a bucket of blood, shown in the finale, labeled slime
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The implications of this are fucking wild. Like the spirit of the cabin is genuinely a demon covered in blood, sticking to things- not because of slime, but because he’s covered in blood. It means that Charlie ate a bowl of blood and guts, it means that Sneeg was coated in blood, it means that there was a chest of blood in the bedroom. What about the slime dimension? And don’t even get me started on “I mean slime. I mean slime. I mean slime-” And that’s just episode one.
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If you think about the fact that Charlie was likely pleading for his life after being torn open past just the surface, you realize that Sneeg probably saw Charlie bleeding out on a gurney. That means that the Puzzler was putting a bloody hat on people for fun. There also the fact that Frank is a real dead body, a genuine rotting corpse- but we’ll get back to him.
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And then you can look even further and see what we would’ve seen as slime in episode three. If you put the reality filter back on, this sign is a whole lot more on brand.
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Now, let’s look at the biggest piece of the puzzle: the bulletin board. Firstly, Frank is dead. He is a corpse and here’s our evidence. Secondly, there’s the image that discusses the reality filter. The text on it reads “Are you seeing what you should be seeing? Contact HR if you may need a quick rewiring.” Accompanied by green dots surrounding red and diagram of the brain. The dots are pretty self explanatory, using green to hide the red, but the diagram of the brain is more damning. The highlighted portion is called the occipital lobe. It is responsible for visual perception, including colour, form, and motion. Damage to your occipital lobe can cause difficulty locating objects in your environment, difficulty identifying colours, and hallucinations. That part of his skull is where the back of his mask presses.
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The reality filter does so much more than just change blood to slime. It’s probably why Ranboo missed obvious parts of his environment occasionally. The part of their brain that controls visual perception has been under the control of Showfall, and only when it was shut off did we get to see how absolutely horrifying each episode has been.
Anyway, gotta go draw my goopy guy in a new colour pallet-
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don’t mind me just further proving my theory that the back of gl!ranboo’s mask is connected to his brain
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faloverfae · 8 months
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Oh my god Zero's gonna find the Generation 1 tapes aren't they....
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sussusamogus47 · 10 months
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I just wanted to call to attention the board games in the final puzzle room, bc I haven't really seen anyone talk about them all that much.
I genuinely can't tell if they were all deliberately chosen for what they are, or if instead it was a case of what the set designers (of Genloss, not Showfall) could get their hands on, but the relative obscurity/odd choice of games makes me think that for the most part it was deliberate.
Lemme explain, starting with the most interesting one first.
Game One: My 2 Homes
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This game is most notable because it's the one boardgame that Ranboo actually calls out by name, and one of two (if i remember right) that they ever interact with. What's clever though is how it could easily be written off -- Jerma asks the three of them for examples of things in the room, and he provides one. End of story right?
But consider first that the mind control over them has been getting stronger and stronger, and the past few rooms we've been seeing them become more NPC-like, interacting with things less and less, taking less of an interest in other things.
What makes it more interesting in my opinion though, is the fact that the game is meant to help children "communicate and process their feelings about divorce".
What does this mean though?
Well, looking at the verb definitions of divorce, there's two ways it can be taken:
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You could make an argument for the first definition, sure. But just look at that second definition. Separate or dissociate something from something else. Aka Ranboo and reality.
Suddenly Ranboo's calling out of the game looks more like a call for help. To use the game for its intended purpose and say "I'm still here, please help me. I don't want this to continue."
I could be stretching here. But the subtly of it is really good, and imo wouldn't be out of place.
Game Two: Maul of America
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The pun in this one is actually what made me notice the oddity of some of the choices of these board games. For those who mightn't know, the Mall of America is one of the largest malls in the United States.
The premise of this game is simple: You're in a mall during the zombie apocalypse, and have to fight your way out. One player controls all of the zombies, and each other player controls themselves, obviously.
The parallels here alone are honestly astounding lol
But wait, there's more!! Upon rewatching this entire section, I believe this is the only other board game that Ranboo ever interacts with. Even more interestingly, I believe this might be the only game in the room that has its pieces outside of the box and partially set up.
For reference:
Here's an image of the board + some of the pieces, courtesy of boardgamegeek.com
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And here's the closest, best shot I could get of the board:
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Notice the standing pieces, the flipped over ones, and their positions relative to one another. Red is flipped, blue and orange are standing up. One zombie is standing, the rest are flipped. Blue is by red, and orange is by a zombie.
Now I'm sure you know, but for Dramatic Effect ™ I'd like to point out the primary colours of each person's outfit in this room:
Red
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Blue
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Orange
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So then, Ranboo, Sneeg, and Austin are obviously intended to be the players here, with either Showfall (or the founder) controlling the zombies. Sneeg's blue token is likely closer to Ran's red one to indicate that they know each other, which supports some of the other theories around that.
But then why's Ranboo's token flipped? And what's with the zombie?
Well this is where we pull into Speculation Station, because I'm honestly not too sure. I'd like to say that the flipped token indicates Ranboo's mind controlled state, but then why isn't Sneeg's flipped too? After all, we all saw him get forcefully controlled by the Showfall Crew. My only other guess is that it hints at the ending, where somehow Austin and Sneeg survive and escape Showfall where Ranboo doesn't, but I feel like that's shaky at best so idrk.
Similar problems occur with the zombie, too. You could say it's Ranboo being mind controlled by the zombie player, but then Sneeg should have one too if that's the case. It can't really be Jerma bc he's well, dead by this point. It could maybe be the camera operator? But we also see the rats behind the curtain so wouldn't they have one too?
I really don't know honestly. But I've been going on about this one for a while lol so I should probably move on.
Game Three: Anti-Monopoly
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This one is basically what it says on the tin: Anti-Monopoly, or a trust busting game where players have to go around dismantling large corporations. Depending on the size of the company, (oligopoly, trust, or monopoly) you need one to three tokens respectively to take them down.
I'd imagine that Showfall is a pretty large corporation, so my guess is that the symbolism here is meant to be Hetch's (or even Ranboo's) intention to dismantle the company. If the former, it could maybe mean that Hetch isn't here to actually help Ranboo, but is instead using him for in order to dismantle Showfall, which would be a twist for sure.
Game Four: Twister Moves
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This seems like a version of Twister with maybe a musical chair-esque aspect to it. Someone plays as the DJ and plays music, and calls out moves to the other players.
If I had to guess, this is meant to symbolize Showfall's control over people, and how they tell them what to do.
Miscellaneous Games
These ones I don't really have much (or anything) for, honestly. I'm mostly putting them here in case anyone has any ideas, or in case they're somehow relevant.
I also have to stop adding images unfortunately bc I've hit the app's limit :(
Battleground: Crossbows and Catapults
Interestingly enough I had this as a kid lol. Used to play with just the lil plastic castles and guys a lot, not really playing the game. Anyway, the premise is you use the rubber-band powered disc launchers on top of the castles to knock down the other team's guys. Apparently hitting their flag gets you bonus lives or something, so maybe that's relevant?
Star Wars 100 Piece Puzzle (1996)
I.. actually really doubt this one's relevant. It seems a bit too mainstream for it to be, and it's also a puzzle. The date could maybe be relevant? Piece count? Or somehow the characters on it (Luke, Leia, Vader) are, but I just can't think of anything that'd work here, so my best guess is it's a red herring.
Classico (??)
I literally couldn't find anything on this one that matched the box, so I'm at a total loss.
Closing Remarks
Well, I hope that was all comprehendable :D I spent the past two hours or so putting it all together, and honestly in the process of doing so found wayy more to it than I initially thought.
And with that, I bid you adieu!
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misvin · 9 months
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ok i know this is probably just some twitch thing i dont understand but i think its very interesting how the showfall extension integration whatever it is Still active on ranboo's channel. its almost like They're Still Watching.....
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kityenok · 9 months
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So yknow how alot of people have talked about how the RGBtrio or atleast Charlie grew up at Showfall? Well i have a lil theory on what happened to Charlie's parents because im insane
I think that Charlie's parents are actually brainwashed employees of Showfall. They're no longer human, and no way of returning to how they once were. I think that for awhile Charlie lived a semi-normal life while his parents were just starting working at Showfall, but once they started becoming what they are now, they came and took Charlie away and covered it up somehow, not sure how yet. But either way, i think this is... much more horrific. Because, even if Charlie did make it out with Ranboo, what would they have to go back to? No family, no friends, just eachother, and that's it.
Im actually going feral over this. btw
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