#hawkfrost core

[fruityvermint]

Pov, your brother just sent you to kitty hell after you tried to kill his boss

[xemo-wc-08x]

How about.. hawkfrost applying makeup on Ashfur’s face?(terribly)

Emo make up...

(it's a gif)

This is silly xD

MP4 alt. version:

[autumnal-masquerade]

Okay but what if the Dark Forest and Starclan was more morally grey and it more so depended on what they thought of themselves as?

All this to say that Mapleshade adopts so many cats in the Dark Forest and it starts with Hawkfrost

[brackenfur]

i feel like tawnypelt and mothwing have more of a foundation for a cool dynamic than hawkfrost and brambleclaw did - when you consider that tawnypelt left thunderclan as an apprentice to join shadowclan w her father, that mothwing is in a position where her core beliefs could cause her to lose her job if anyone else knew about it, the fact that both of them aren’t intimated by being tigerstars daughters and yet other cats constantly perceive them as being shadows of him when they barely even Think about him…..but whateverrrrrr

[bonefall]

I know you don’t rewrite arcs until they’re done, but I love hearing about your early ideas while I brood over how badly this arc has let me down. Do you have any like super vague ideas about Splashtail’s motivations yet? He’s like a way worse Hawkfrost in my mind, because they’re both very young cats who Are Just Evil. But Hawkfrost had a genuinely interesting backstory that the Erin’s simply fumbled, meanwhile Splashtail is a cartoonishly evil atheist. I feel nothing towards him, he’s not intimidating or interesting or even funny. Save me Bonefall save me (if I got something wrong please ignore it, these books are so disappointing my brain is making me forget them to protect itself.)

If it helps at all, I'm staying sane with the observation that Hawkfrost is a high charisma character making critical failure rolls, while Splashtail is a cringefail loser with no stats rolling nat20s. He becomes 50% more sufferable when you imagine a long, pungent pause after anything he says, broken only by the sound of an offscreen player tossing some dice. When the silence is broken, it's whatever NPC has been charmed speaking in the beleaguered voice of the dungeon master.

SO my early thoughts are shaping up to be that I'd like to do a slightly more serious version of that.

BB!Splashtail is the Clan equivalent of a 19-year-old, desperate for more power and respect in his society. In terms of his stats, he's promising but not outstanding. A decent fighter, a competent leader. Even in terms of lineage; his father is Sneezecloud, a respected trader and negotiator, but his mother is Havenpelt. An ex-rogue who has sworn to live by the ways of RiverClan.

Curlfeather is the one with the plans. She's the one with vision. Daughter of Reedwhisker, grandchild of Mistystar, with grand leaders like Bluestar, Oakheart, and Crookedstar in her past, greatness runs in her blood. Scandal, too-- but for some reason it's acceptable that her great-grandparents were codebreaking traitors.

Splashtail hates Curlfeather, but he can't get anywhere unless he tries to be her. He steals HER plans. He acts like SHE does. Manages to snatch power from her paws, and then has no idea what to do with it.

I'm thinking that I want his reign to be going smoothly at first, actually, going from a bit of a bossy jerk, to trying to enact Curlfeather's ambitions by launching fights and doing it badly, to active tyranny as he tries to keep control over RiverClan. Depending on how Star goes, I might have Berryheart make some kind of move to seize power over him.

At the core of how I see him though, is that Splashtail has no plan. His ideology leans Thistle Law... in a sort of dumbass 4Channer kind of way. He talks a big game about the glory of battle, but folds fast when his enemy can punch back. The only person he could successfully manipulate was a traumatized child. He will bring back pureblooded glory to the Clan, except his personal family of course

As for the Evil Atheism stuff... lol. Lmao, even. Not needed. If I need to make him a more powerful and serious danger, it's not going to come from the fact he's godless. If being an atheist gave you super murder powers, Bill Nye would have used them to obliterate half of the US government by now.

Depending on how the last book of ASC goes,

The Harelight kill is probably going to get changed to Hallowflight. Harelight watches his dad die, and Splashstar is drenched in the blood of one of RiverClan's most famous heroes. No turning back after that.

On that note I'd also make the fight longer and bloodier. A butchery of an execution showcasing Splashtail fighting like a beast and Hallowflight like a trained warrior.

I REAALLY want to make Splashtail's death a drowning. Curlfeather, demon she is now, finishes him off by dragging him under. To protect her daughter. They will have to do something VERY satisfying for me to not do this.

[troutfur]

Rewriting the journey out of TNP would just give the story a much more coherent core and the room to really breathe in the actually interesting plot points. There's a lot you could do just with the WindClan civil war alone. And I think having half an arc of relationship development between Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost before we get to the evil plotting with Tigerstar would significantly improve that bit. I would still want there to be some kind of upset or catastrophe to overcome in that first part that takes out Mistyfoot and Graystripe so we can have the brothers take leadership roles and we can have both build up to that plot of Bramble's and give them an avenue to form a bond and collaborate (BloodClan remnants perhaps? I know secondhand that that comes up in Graystripe's Vow). But for the rest of it I really see no utility in the move to the lake and with some fiddling you can absolutely fit all the emotional arcs into that.

[goldenflame-au]

what's ivypool up to in your au? i absolutely love her so im excited to see your plans for her!

Hi, thank you for asking! I actually love talking about my Ivypool :3!!

The beginning of her story isn't quite so different. As Ivypaw, she's recruited into the Dark Forest not by Hawkfrost, but by two mollies: Hopeshatter and Wishrot. These two are used to being shafted out by their sibling, and relate to Ivypaw feeling left out and left behind. (Bonus points to whoever can figure out who these cats are lol)

She trains in the Dark Forest, and the cats there breed her hatred; she finds herself hating her sister Dovepaw, and wanting to be stronger than her at any cost. Once she delivers the "sign" to Goldenstar and starts the battle with Shadowclan, she really realizes where she's gone wrong.

So she plays spy. When Tigerheart begins to make advances on her, now Ivypool, she plays along, only to grow angry when she realizes that Tigerheart has also been making advances on her sister, Dovewing. She never had feelings for Tigerheart, but the fact that he's playing both of them, as sisters, doesn't sit right with her at all.

Before The Great Battle, Ivypool reconnects with Dovewing, and they talk out their differences; Ivypool is glad to have her sister back, and wants to catch up, but something seems... off, about Dovewing.

With the return of Hollyleaf, Ivypool sees her a lot; she connects with her about feeling unwanted, out of place with their only siblings in a prophecy. They actually bond a lot! And Hollyleaf says something damning: she doesn't think Starclan is listening.

This is a lot to think about for Ivypool, and as The Great Battle begins, she fights at her sister's side. And the end of the battle shakes her to her very core.

As Hawkfrost is killed in battle by his father, Tigerstar, his spirit immediately rises from his body. However, it's chained to the living world, as Starclan and the Dark Forest stop fighting; a live trial, to decide where Hawkfrost's spirit will go. Fawnshine fights for his character, and as Yellowfang gives her essence to make a neutral afterlife, Ivypool's faith is challenged more than it ever has been or ever will.

After a third of Thunderclan leaves with Hollyleaf after the battle, desperate to find a new life away from Starclan's scrutiny, newly made Bramblestar announces Ivypool as his deputy. She takes her duties extremely seriously, and is proud of her position. But when Dovewing disappears from the clans (see: Tigerheart's Shadow), she becomes a wreck, desperate for the return of her sister. Tigerheart returns alone, with two kits, and Ivypool berates him, threatening to send him to the Dark Forest herself if she ever finds out that he hurt even a hair on her pelt.

In A Broken Code, when Bramblestar is possessed by The Impostor(Ashfur), his body decays and rots, ripping him of all 9 of his lives as soon as Ashfur stops possessing the body. So Ivypool becomes Ivystar, and names Mousewhisker her deputy.

And currently, all the way up to Changing Skies, Ivystar stays leader!! Thank you for asking about her, I love Ivypool and Dovewing and I'm so happy to talk about them ^_^!!!

[queenfopsie]

Tigerclaw, Goober supreme

This guy just won't die! He lives on in his kids and then literally has to be killed again. He's the lifeblood of the series essentially considering he's the core of a lot of the conflicts even if he's not directly involved, because if he's not then its one of his descendants. Includig Hawkfrost or tigerheartstar

I think he's a good but a tad overused villain, he has his motives and he sticks by them

[the-owl-tree]

One thing that I wish would've happened in TNP is Tawnypelt and getting Brambleclaw's arc. Thoughts?

i wouldn't personally give Tawnypelt Brambleclaw's arc beat for beat, but I do like the idea of her being a point of view character!! I actually really like the idea of Tawnypelt as somewhat of an opposite: confident in her loyalty and her ability to serve the Clan. She's the Tigerstar spawn that knows their father the most, the one who spent the most time with him when he was alive. I actually like the idea that she sympathized with him, was open minded when he began to appear in her dreams, and was about to bite into the apple he was offering....

Then Nightstar comes to her in a dream and she suddenly meets a group of cats from different walks of life and her original core beliefs are challenged. How can she call the cats she's walked with moons, hunted alongside, and looked out for her enemies when they come back? How can she see Feathertail and Stormfur as lesser, as deserving of death for who they are, when every night she would trust them to watch her back? I like the idea of Tawnypelt losing her faith in her father and begin to reject everything he stood for (instead of just Knowing Better like she seemed to in the books).

I'm not sure how this would fit in the latter half of the arc. Maybe she tries to talk Hawkfrost down instead? I don't know, I like the drama of Brambleclaw hesitating (WHICH SHOULD NOT HAVE LANDED HIM THE ROLE OF DEPUTY!!). But yes, maybe not like an exact recreation of Brambleclaw's arcs but one where she is given more depth would be fantastic! Like I said, BIG missed opportunity to make a POV when we know much less about her than her brother.

[blorboclaw]

what character is the character you think the fandom always gets really almost insultingly wrong? for me its mapleshade

I’ve got a few, but I also made posts for some of those already, namely that Leopardstar is not a fascist apologist and has spent all her life guilt-ridden and trying to atone for Tigerclan and Stonefur’s death. There’s also the fact Tigerstar Sr is not racist (although he sure pretends to be), but I made a post about that too.

I’m starting to think that Brackenfur is done dirty too but I’m going to wait until I finish re-reading the prophecy begins.

Mothwing might be a good beginning, not because I think there’s much more than the text says, but because the fandom doesn’t even seem to have read the text.

Mothwing according to the fandom: Lesbian medicine cat who should have eloped with Leafpool instead of Crowfeather. The erins don’t kill her off because they would have to answer the question of where she would go since she’s atheist.

Mothwing according to the text: A medicine cat (so basically a doctor and priest) who saw her brother drown in front of her, saw her mother abandon her other brother and her in a clan whose entire culture circles around water, who learned a new faith, sacrificed her whole future life (couldn’t have a mate nor kits now) for the good of the clan when Star Clan designated her to become a medicine cat (yes she wanted to but still), then discovered her brother, the only family she had left, had betrayed her trust, and made up a sign, which in turn broke her faith in Star Clan.

She’s also, but tries to move from it, the daughter of (one of) the greatest criminals who ever walked the forest. She was thrown as the only medicine cat in the clan rather young, when Mudfur decided to stay behind in the forest (also he didn’t decide because he was actively dying but that’s not my point). She has had her share of traumatic events, including discovering her brother (again, her only family left) was an awful guy, almost failing to save a drowning apprentice, being abused by her brother, having to hide her lack of faith, etc.

The only friend we know to her that is her equal (and not like, her apprentice or a much younger or older cat) is Leafpool, and they care deeply for each other, but would both still put their clan first.

So why I think everyone got her wrong:

Her core, the center of her whole being and personnality, rests on the fact she is, somehow, broken, but in a Kintsugi way (kintsugi is a japanese word which basically means mending something with gold to make it even more beautiful and unique than before).

She’s such an interesting medicine cat because she doesn’t have faith in Star Clan. If, after The Last Hope, she believes there’s a life after death (which I’m not sure she does) she still believes they are flawed, and dying doesn’t make you smarter. We know Jayfeather had kinda the same reaction but in his case it was more like rebelling because people told him to do something he didn’t want to. In Mothwing’s case, it’s all about knowing that there are bad people who died, too, and flawed people. She’s seen many people from Riverclan die, and we can imagine she has seen some when she still was having visions, before she learned about the moth wing Hawkfrost put up. So she knows Star Clan cats are not inherently wise.

And that’s a very rare thing, to see a cat who does believe Star Clan exists in some extent, but questions their judgement. We see Nightpelt/star doing that, too, but Mothwing’s a medicine cat, aka the only place in the clan in which it is necessary to believe in Star Clan, to have faith in it.

She’s also a descendant of Tigerstar, but she’s not like her siblings. Hawkfrost tried to take over the lake, Bramblestar became leader the legal way, Tawnypelt had kits... whether politically or genetically, they’re all carrying a bit of Tigerstar in them and propagating them. Mothwing doesn’t fight, and Mothwing can’t have kits. Plus she doesn’t believe in life after death enough to receive visions or dreams, so she can’t even see Tigerstar in her dreams. She’s the only one who severes the ties of Past and Future. She’s a Present embodiement.

She also shares the name of the first medicine cat ever. She has friends in all four clans. She was a warrior before becoming a medicine cat.

She is so much more than a baseless ship the fandom is parading around the streets...

Yeah anyway she’s one of my “Only-I-Have-The-Right-Opinion-About-Them” characters.

[thornquillthefiendish]

Currently while drawing this Mapleshade thing I’ve been thinking about an idea I’ve had for awhile and

Would anyone be interested in a rewrite mainly focused on Tnp? Because I’ve been focusing on this part of the series a lot recently and I think it was filled with so many interesting concepts, but sadly laid groundwork for tropes that would either be furthered later on or worsened previous issues from tpb. I just. I really like the idea of a journey in most stories and I wanna write something about that wonderment and danger, and the kind of found family angle that is so easily applicable to these characters is so good.

Some of my ideas rn are

- rework Crowfeathers personality intensely (core asshole will be preserved I just want real development and consequences, and how those consequences will affect him later on)

- more emphasis on how close the prophecy cats get — suddenly interrupted by the jarring realization that things cannot stay this way forever

- maybe hawkpaw tags along too (moth is also important I just want them both to be more heavily mixed into this plot because of the innately interesting stories they have)

- bramblesquirrel won’t happen here — for plenty of reasons personally but also because I think the omen leafpool got could’ve been foreshadowing for something more interesting (coughFirestar adopting all of Tigerstars kidscough)

- ofc, gay

- interpersonal and relationship struggles are explored more so (what is family, where loyalties lie between friends amongst different factions) to kind of highlight a growing issue that is the code just. Not working

- soft rewrite of tpb, things like altered bloodlines, character names, timeline even (I don’t want to rewrite tpb at least now because I feel like that’s easy for me? I don’t love tnp and I wanna challenge myself)

- hawkfrost redemption arc (with real consequences for his actions)

- StarClan revision (benevolent StarClan because while I like evil StarClan I have this really neat narrative idea I think would work well to combat the lack of real progression in the series from a certain standpoint and also I just really don’t want to have them torture squirrel and leaf like in the books it’s so messed up when you think about it)

- I can promise that the story begins very similarly but the direction it’d head towards would be extremely different or at least plays with altering aspects of the story a lot more.

- lots of added stuff and other alterations that will be a surprise :)

I’d also like to know if I should just do that on here or make a separate tumblr, might make things nearer or might give me a better way to schedule things around here.

[xemo-wc-08x]

my boy bramble

Tigerstar's sons

[birdsong-warriors]

Will you do bramblesquirrel still or will you change It to crowSquirrel?

(Wow, this turned into an essay, I am so sorry bcjsbxjsb)

My current idea is that Squirrelflight uses Brambleclaw as a cover for her relationship with Crowfeather, in a kind of Thrushpelt situation. However, Brambleclaw still exhibits nasty behaviors, making everyone pretty uncomfortable. They aren't truly romantically involved, but he's still her close friend and still very abusive at times.

Ashfur in particular is very concerned for his niece (in this AU, their relationship is entirely platonic/familial) and gets progressively more upset each time she bails on hanging out with him in favor of hanging out with Brambleclaw. Squirrel is one of the last members of his family, so he can be a bit codependant with her, and the fact her and Bramble seemingly had kits when their relationship is so toxic leaves a bitter taste in his mouth about her kits. He doesn't hate them, they're still family, but he can't help feeling uncomfortable around them sometimes.

The famous fire scene plays out very differently as a result. Ashfur doesn't ransom the Three, he helps them all across, but Squirrelflight makes a comment about her concern for Brambleclaw, and Ashfur chooses a very inconvenient time to confront her about the whole mess. She finally yells "they aren't his kits!" This is enough to stop the problem for the time being and they race to safety.

Once safe, the Three confront Squirrelflight about the truth, and it unintentionally attracts the attention of the whole Clan. She confesses the truth, that Hollyleaf is her and Crowfeather's kit, and Jayfeather and Lionblaze are Leafpool and Hawkfrost's. Hollyleaf is shocked to her core to learn her siblings are not truly her siblings and that she is a half cat. After walking off her initial feelings, she starts to blame Ashfur for making all this come out to begin with. All her negative emotions about the situation are concentrated on him. She still kills him, but is soon wracked with guilt for her crime, and runs away. She is adopted into WindClan, where she bonds with her father, Crowfeather, and half brother, Breezepelt.

Not sure where it goes from there, but this is what I came up with while brainstorming last night, haha. A lot of it will probably change over time.

[bonefall]

Two questions! What's Leopardstar doing after her death? She got dammed so hard that there was a comet in the sky iirc, and Starclan happily gave Mistystar her lives, so I imagine that Lep is PISSED that her murderer is being welcomed as a hero, while she's rotting in the DF. I would like to know how she feels about Tigerstar's plans, since BB Lep was an active supporter of his idealology

I thiiiink the fallen star thing was a joke, but it is a very funny image to think that any damned spirit becomes one tbh

But actually! Leopardstar and Mudclaw are both kind of ashamed of what they did. Leopardstar is more resigned to her fate, while Mudclaw eventually decides he wants to atone and gets involved with the StarClan bridge.

Being around Tigerstar and a bunch of the worst offenders of TigerClan has brought a lot of it back. Distance had made her begin to feel that there was no need to "throw the kitten out with the tonguewash." Tigerstar himself was bad, yes... but is it *really* so wrong to want a pure, strong Clan? What's wrong with putting RiverClan first?

But now she's back under his claw. Being spoken over, used as a pawn, just like old times. She hasn't confronted the CORE of how her ideology is bad, but she does remember know how humiliating this situation was, and how terrible Tigerstar really is.

But at the same time, she is proud. She cannot let Mistystar go unpunished. She wants "revenge," though, to her "revenge" is a rematch.

On the day she died, Mistystar attempted to poison Leopardstar's food, in a way unintentionally similar to how Leopardstar poisoned Crookedstar before them. So she recognized it right away. It struck her in that moment that she was sick of these dirty, dishonorable tactics.

So she pushed it aside, leapt to the top of the stump, and announced that she had learned of a pack of vicious rogues on the border. "Mistyfoot and myself will confront them. Alone. Don't follow."

Mistystar only won the fight through luck. There was a stone in the river where they fought, and she smashed Leopardstar's head on it until she stopped moving.

So, Leopardstar uses this in her death to hold a grudge. I think on some level she knows it's an excuse, or perhaps a quirk of her pride, that she feels her death was unfair. She believes she gave leadership to Mistystar by covering for her own murder-- and she WANTS that perfect fight.

But before the BOTTE, I plan for her to have a conversation with her apprentice. Hawkfrost's arc is to break free of his father and his legacy... and he needs to speak to his proud, strong leader, who he comes to realize is being used like a tool.

It's another step in his revelation about cycles. How he was used, how he's done the same thing to Ivypool, how people have been doing this to his loved ones long before he was born.

[troutfur]

thistlebush helping kill silverstream, but also maybe helping shelter leafpool and squirrelflight and their kits from the worst of snow even in such a weak power level while they rest in a nearby tree or something, because even if leafpool shouldnt have kits, even if theyre half clan and he's not happy about that she's still his MEDICINE CAT and the only one at that, and by starclan he will NOT let his medicine cat get frostbite because she's stupid even if he's not fully happy with her for being stupid with the running off thing or whatever replaces it in this au because i know people change this arc a lot on who the sire is and how it happens but she's their only medicine cat and the plan she has to put this behind her and move on is a good one, she's clearly repenting unlike stupid graystripe insert obligatory she shouldnt have to but like its thistleclaw here

maybe his tugging on her fur was one of the reasons squirrelflight agreed, as if it was him trying to go "yes, cmon, its perfect, we can fix this, say yes"

I just...i love his nuance, i love him, i hold your portrayals of mudclaw and thistleclaw so gently in my hands as wrong but nuanced cats who did bad things, and dont regret it, but had interesting nuanced reasons why and are capable of more then just those things

✍️

Y'all are on fire with this Thistlebush scenarios.

Yes, yes! I can imagine that, with the move and them no longer having a RiverClan border the new location he took root in after the stray seeds caught in someone's pelt could be somewhere aroudn the other border, near WindClan. He could have seen Leafpool go out, give her a scratch as she left, as bad as he could given his power level and the limitations of his magic to punish her for deserting the clan and when she comes back that same way... He's surprised by her loyalty and lets her pass, only leaving a stray seed or pollen on her so he has a connection to her.

I can see him using that liaison to the camp to listen in on her and Squilf as they are planning and fretting and with what little power he still has manifesting in their dreams, pointing them to a hiding place, letting them know about a place where they can rest and give birth to their kits.

The three are dangerous to StarClan. The prophecy plus the fact they came from a codebreaker doesn't endear them to the kittens. For all they care let Leafpool bear the consequences of her actions, whatever those may be.

Firestar is dead, Hawkfrost's plan succeeded, and Brambleclaw is carrying his involvement to the grave as he ingratiates himself with the very rule-following Brackenstar. Leafpool is beloved, but without her dad in the highest office will she be granted leniency? StarClan doesn't really care, but if not, two birds with one stone eh?

Thistleclaw has other ideas. He can't help directly, and he hates the idea of these kits in principle. But the Clan having a medicine cat is important. She better not repeat this fuckup, though. He has his limits.

Aaaaah, thank you! <3 Putting out these concepts and playing with the ideas of StarClan as the embodiment of the historical memory of the Clans is very, very interesting to me. I'm glad it's resonating and really hitting for y'all.

My plans for Haneossia are very all-encompassing and ambitious. So many moving parts and concepts to explore, not only with the supernatural side of things but also with the default polyamory dynamics. I'm still trying to figure out how to realize it all within a format that is comfortable to me. I am, at my core, a writer of short stories not long form fiction. So bear with me as I experiment and see how I can strike a balance between executing my ideas and keeping my workload manageable.

[mallowstep]

Human Misty AU: Pardon the random-ass question but I suddenly have an urgent need to know, have you put *any* thought into what the core cast's favorite foods would be?

not really but i will now.

stormheart likes birthday cake. there's a Very Specific reason why that i wrote in my head while waiting for a bus and trying not to think about how i had gone through three pairs of socks today

stonefur likes a good steak. i've been vegetarian for like. a really long time and don't know shit about meat anymore but. there's a partial reason for this. part of it is just that he likes it.

mistyfoot isn't the type to have a specific favourite food, but she generally likes soups. i don't know. greypool seems like the kind of person who would make a lot of soups in the winter. maybe my affection for homemade soup is showing. my roommate said she would make me soup and i couldn't find a not-excessive way of saying if she does so i will literally die for her

feathertail likes chocolate ice cream. she also likes pork chops. neither of those have a reason they're just foods i want on the list somewhere.

mothwing likes breakfast for dinner. it's a Special Occasion food but she likes it.

hawkfrost has a major sweet tooth, but he also likes grilled cheese.

frogheart will swear up and down that he doesn't care but he does care, he cares deeply. his favourite food is blueberry pie, eaten with (good) vanilla ice cream. no one knows where this started because one day stormheart or smthn asked what he wanted for his birthday (they celebrate the triplet's b-day over three days, usually, rotating who gets the first day, etc.), and frogpaw responded with this detailed explanation of his ideal pie crust and no one knows when he had blueberry pie to begin with.